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Cp - 04 Mar 2004 13:30 GMT
I decided to give up sugar for lent in hopes of jump starting healthier
eating.  40 days to healtier me :)  As I am a Christian it means a lot to me
to keep that promise.

I chose sugar specifically because of the problems I have with elevated
blood sugars.  Under that sugar umbrella I put all refined sugars including
juice and ice cream.  I'm not so concerned with natural sugars that are in
fruit.  That will come later.

So far it's working well.  I have avoided many a cookie, cake and pie.  I
have also started to log what food I am eating.  I haven't stepped on the
scale since monday.  I'm waiting a few weeks because I don't want to be
discouraged.

Once lent is over I'm hoping that I'll have gotten over the need/craving to
eat sugar which is my biggest downfall.  From there I'll work on other
things.

Now if only I could find a way to keep the exercise going.

Cp
determined - 04 Mar 2004 16:43 GMT
> I decided to give up sugar for lent in hopes of jump starting healthier
> eating.  40 days to healtier me :)  As I am a Christian it means a lot to me
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> eat sugar which is my biggest downfall.  From there I'll work on other
> things.

40 days of avoiding sugar should do the trick.  If I avoid simple carbs for
just a few days, my cravings subside.  This period of time will really give
you and your body time to set a new habit.

det
Cp - 04 Mar 2004 20:56 GMT
> 40 days of avoiding sugar should do the trick.  If I avoid simple carbs for
> just a few days, my cravings subside.  This period of time will really give
> you and your body time to set a new habit.
>
> det

That's exactly what I'm hoping!
Ignoramus9863 - 04 Mar 2004 16:53 GMT
> I decided to give up sugar for lent in hopes of jump starting healthier
> eating.  40 days to healtier me :)  As I am a Christian it means a lot to me
> to keep that promise.

A good idea. I have been avoiding sugar (precisely, anything
sweetened) for 9 months and it has done me much good and has not been
difficult.

> I chose sugar specifically because of the problems I have with elevated
> blood sugars.

just how elevated?

> Under that sugar umbrella I put all refined sugars including
> juice and ice cream.  I'm not so concerned with natural sugars that are in
> fruit.  That will come later.
>
> So far it's working well.  I have avoided many a cookie, cake and pie.  I

The thing is, usually, sugar is added to foods that should not be
eaten to begin with. They would not taste right without sugar. Your
cookies and cakes are one good example. So, by avoiding sugar, not
only you avoid its deleterious effects, but you also avoid a whole
universe of nutritionally worthless foods that are associated with
sugar.

> have also started to log what food I am eating.  I haven't stepped
> on the scale since monday.  I'm waiting a few weeks because I don't
> want to be discouraged.

Just avoiding sugar may not necessarily make you lose any weight.

Anyway, good luck, I am very happy for you.

i
Cp - 04 Mar 2004 21:03 GMT
> > I decided to give up sugar for lent in hopes of jump starting healthier
> > eating.  40 days to healtier me :)  As I am a Christian it means a lot to me
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>
> just how elevated?

> > Under that sugar umbrella I put all refined sugars including
> > juice and ice cream.  I'm not so concerned with natural sugars that are in
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>
> i

Thanks ig.  I've been told by my doctor that I am glucose intolerant.  I
believe that's the nicer way of saying "pre diabetic".  It's been that way
for awhile now and I seem to be just too stubborn to change my ways.

I realize that giving up sugar is not going to help me lose a huge amount of
weight... heck, it may not even help at all but it will cut out most of my
unnecessary calories that are filling my meals and snacks.  Not to mention
all the boredom eating I do.  My bigger goal is to start eating healthier.
As I mentioned I do need to find something to keep the exercise.
Ignoramus9863 - 05 Mar 2004 03:57 GMT
>> In article <7cG1c.88081$ah.20408@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
> Cp wrote:
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> Thanks ig.  I've been told by my doctor that I am glucose
> intolerant.

sorry to hear about that.

> I believe that's the nicer way of saying "pre diabetic".  It's been
> that way for awhile now and I seem to be just too stubborn to change
> my ways.

A big mistake. Diabetes is a horrifying disease, leading to rapid
aging and early death. Nothing to joke about.

> I realize that giving up sugar is not going to help me lose a huge
> amount of weight... heck, it may not even help at all but it will
> cut out most of my unnecessary calories that are filling my meals
> and snacks.  Not to mention all the boredom eating I do.  My bigger
> goal is to start eating healthier.  As I mentioned I do need to find
> something to keep the exercise.

I will mention a few things, in response to your post and to Brad's. I
am not a diabetes expert, but what I will say is a matter of common
knowledge.

Since it became somewhat fashionable to avoid sugar, food
manufacturers learned of some tricks to hide it. For example, they
would call it "sucrose", or "dehydrated cane juice". Other sugar
equivalents are "high frustose corn syrup" or "molasses" or "honey" or
anything "malted".

Some people make a case that carbs such as bread or potatoes are
equivalent to sugar. I am not qualified to comment on it, but it seems
a bit counterintuitive, even though I read a lot about it.

Anyway, if you avoid anything sweetened, you basically avoid a lot of
bad foods. How far to go to avoid it is your decision. Whether you
would ignore salad dressings, for example, is your choice. No one died
from not eating salad dressings. Lots of people die from diabetes.

Onward to diabetes. It is a terrible, incurable, progressing and
debilitating disease leading to early aging and premature death.
Diabetes is a continuum, it starts slowly and the cutoff point for
diabetes that doctors use is somewhat arbitrary. Just because your
fasting glucose is 124 and not 126, does not mean that you are
fine. You simply have not reached official diabetes diagnosis quite
yet, but your body is already not working right.

Read Dr Bernstein's book " diabetes solution" that I mentioned
earlier.

A side effect of diabetes or pre-diabetes is horrible blood lipids and
heart disease. Often times, the first symptom of diabetes is a fatal
heart attack.

You appear to be on that path towards diabetes, not too far from
it. Do not take it lightly.

Diabetes is ssomewhat preventable, in the sense that you can slow down
its progression. There has been an excellent study done about stopping
progression of diabetes. They took a number of obese prediabetics,
split them in half. One half did nothing, continued overeating
etc. The other half received counseling and was kind of forced to,
first, lose weight, and second, exercise every day.

The second group showed 58% less cases of full blown diabetes than the
control group.

So, a simple common sense intervention -- eat less, exercise, lose
weight -- slowed down the progression of diabetes pretty
dramatically. Requires a bit of willpower, but think of it as doing it
with a gun put to your head. You have to.

The intervention group did not exercise that much and they did not
lose that much weight either. I  am too lazy to look it up, but they
lost under 10% of weight and exercised about 40 minutes per day. So,
if you do a little better, your chances at stopping progression of
your diabetes also become better.

Low carbing also is reported to be of big help, if done intelligently
(ie, no eating of fake "low carb" labeled junk food).

Personally, I believe that I am also somewhat glucose intolerant. I
once took my glucose level 30 minutes after a meal, and it was, I
think, 143. Someone let me use their glucose monitor. So my weight
loss exercise etc, probably will help me not to lose more health that
I would lose due to obesity. I am glad that I figured it out at 32 and
not at 42 or 52.

This diabetic woman has an excellent page with common sense articles
on diabetes, low carbing etc.

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

good luck. treat your health seriously.

i
Cp - 05 Mar 2004 13:18 GMT
> good luck. treat your health seriously.
>
> i

I realize that I'm not doing myself any good and it will end up biting me in
the a.s.  I haven't been ignoring it completely.  Since diagnosis I have
paid more attention to the amount I'm eating (although yes I do realize I've
still been eating regardless).  Losing weight would really help and was
actually one of my doctors suggestions.  Exercise also helps a HUGE amount.
My grandmother (who is not blood related) had a sugar level of 15 (it's
suppose to be between 4 and 6) and she was on 2 needles a day.  She began
walking every day and her level is now down to 5 and she takes only one
needle a day.

I don't know what my fasting numbers are but I know when he gave me the
finger prick test my blood was only 5.4.  I'm not sure what that means.  He
was a bit confused.  Either that or he decided not to say anything about it.
I have to go back to see if there was any improvement.

3 things are for certain.  I need to exercise, I need to lose weight and I
need to stay away from sugar.

Thanks for your input ig and I'll check out that site.
Ignoramus15020 - 05 Mar 2004 15:56 GMT
>> In article <MQM1c.89167$ah.35939@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
> Cp wrote:
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>
> Thanks for your input ig and I'll check out that site.

check out her site, Jenny seems to be a sensible woman who is well
trained in making decisions with incomplete information. She has
answers to very real life questions about diabetics and prediabetics
etc. She posts to alt.support.diet.low-carb.

As it seems that they use different ranges for diabetes (metric system
related, perhaps), it is harder to compare your data with what's on
US centric websites and books.

Anyhow, since a simple common sense intervention delays if not
prevents onset of diabetes, it only makes sense to do it. You benefit
from it regardless. As you said, the name of the game is, lose weight
sensibly, exercise sensibly, eat no sugar, less carbs, and low
GI food as well. Obviously, you should not take my word as gospel and
read a bunch of books and other stuff. If I am able to point your
interest in that direction, that's all I hope for.

I personally believe that to some extent, I have the same issues as
you, but probably at an earlier stage.

i
Steve Knight - 05 Mar 2004 16:46 GMT
>3 things are for certain.  I need to exercise, I need to lose weight and I
>need to stay away from sugar.

wheat and wheat products can be just as bad. might want to eat more whole
grains.

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Cp - 05 Mar 2004 20:51 GMT
> >3 things are for certain.  I need to exercise, I need to lose weight and I
> >need to stay away from sugar.
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I no longer eat processed bread.  All the bread I buy comes from the bakery.
It's mostly light double rye but we have had flax and whole grain as well.
Paul - 04 Mar 2004 18:23 GMT
Hello Cp,

Congrats on setting a reasonable goal for cutting the sugars.  You should
set an exercise goal as well, you'll be glad you did.

Take care,

Paul
300/210/175

> I decided to give up sugar for lent in hopes of jump starting healthier
> eating.  40 days to healtier me :)  As I am a Christian it means a lot to me
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Cp
Jayjay - 04 Mar 2004 21:08 GMT
>I decided to give up sugar for lent in hopes of jump starting healthier
>eating.  40 days to healtier me :)  As I am a Christian it means a lot to me
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>Cp

Good luck!   :-)

Now, its time to stop thinking in terms of "exercise" and start
thinking in terms of "fun activities"...  :-)

I have to ask, on the sugar thing.  Does that also mean avoiding foods
that have sugar in them?  Like barbque sauce, salad dressings, etc?
What about fruits and yogurt and honey?   Or are you just avoiding
sugar, cakes, candies and cookies?

Just curious.
Cp - 04 Mar 2004 23:06 GMT
> >I decided to give up sugar for lent in hopes of jump starting healthier
> >eating.  40 days to healtier me :)  As I am a Christian it means a lot to me
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> Just curious.

Thanks for the good tidings :)

Right now I'm working on the obvious sugars and focusing especially for lent
so I have no slip ups on a "well does this have sugar or doesn't it".  I
think in terms of diabetes the hidden sugars also have to be avoided.  I
figure lick the obvious and work on the tough stuff later.
Julianne - 04 Mar 2004 23:23 GMT
> > >I decided to give up sugar for lent in hopes of jump starting healthier
> > >eating.  40 days to healtier me :)  As I am a Christian it means a lot to
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> think in terms of diabetes the hidden sugars also have to be avoided.  I
> figure lick the obvious and work on the tough stuff later.

You may be making it more difficult for yourself by not looking at 'hidden'
sugars in things like condiments, etc. If you respond to sugar the way that
I do, things with high fructose corn syrup can really set off day long
cravings for me.  I've spent the afternoon craving sugar before and then
realized a salad dressing had tons of sugar in it causing me cravings.

Also, you may want to choose your fruits carefully.  Apples and berries and
other fruits with high fiber will release their sugar into your blood stream
much slower than bananas and canteloupe.  It helps me to eat a little
protien with my fruit.

Since I don't particularly like fruits and veggies, I usually add berries or
canteloupe to a soy protien shake made with yogurt.   Since both the soy and
the yogurt are very kind to one's blood sugar, the fruit doesn't seem to
have as great of an effect on me and I go for hours without thinking about
food.

Just a few lenten thoughts.....

j
jayjay - 04 Mar 2004 23:57 GMT
> You may be making it more difficult for yourself by not looking at 'hidden'
> sugars in things like condiments, etc. If you respond to sugar the way that
> I do, things with high fructose corn syrup can really set off day long
> cravings for me.  I've spent the afternoon craving sugar before and then
> realized a salad dressing had tons of sugar in it causing me cravings.

I can, soooo, agree with that.  I have switched to using salad dressings
like blue cheese and other creamy type dressings instead of the more oily
ones that have higher sugar content.   I'd rather have a little bit higher
fat and calories and feel more satisfied than sacrefice the calories for
sugar that causes me to crave and eat more junk in the afternoons.

> Also, you may want to choose your fruits carefully.  Apples and berries and
> other fruits with high fiber will release their sugar into your blood stream
> much slower than bananas and canteloupe.  It helps me to eat a little
> protien with my fruit.

I've switched to using plain yogurt w/ my fruit and sweeten it with splenda.
Otherwise I find that containers of yogurt that are already sweetened or
have fruit already mixed in has too much sugar that it causes me cravings
later.

And, I don't have blood sugar problems.   In my case, my sugars are nice and
low.
Julianne - 05 Mar 2004 00:22 GMT
> > You may be making it more difficult for yourself by not looking at
> 'hidden'
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> fat and calories and feel more satisfied than sacrefice the calories for
> sugar that causes me to crave and eat more junk in the afternoons.

I am sooo picky about salad dressings.  I have recently found a blue cheese
vinagarette that is wonderful with no sugars in it.  I also have used a sun
dried tomato creamy pesto sauce designed for pasta on salad with that has
much less sugar that many salad dressings.  There is a point when I no
longer have control when I eat too much sugar.  I get cravings and they are
stronger than me.

A couple of years ago, I participated in a focus group for one of my
clients.  The entire session was video taped.  In front of each participant
was a bowl of M & M's and I ate all of them.  Had I been asked later, I
would have said that I had 'a couple'.  Since then, whenever I have been in
a similar situation, I don't eat the first one.  It is so much easier to not
have the first one than to stop after one!

> > Also, you may want to choose your fruits carefully.  Apples and berries
> and
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> And, I don't have blood sugar problems.   In my case, my sugars are nice and
> low.

Good.  Keep them that way!

j
JMA - 05 Mar 2004 00:40 GMT
> I've switched to using plain yogurt w/ my fruit and sweeten it with splenda.
> Otherwise I find that containers of yogurt that are already sweetened or
> have fruit already mixed in has too much sugar that it causes me cravings
> later.

I also sweeten plain yogurt with splenda and then mix in my own fresh or
frozen unsweetened fruit and some Fiber One cereal.  Yogurt companies are
now making sf yogurt with splenda.  Blue Bunny makes a fat-free/sugar-free
yogurt that's not too bad but kind of thin.  Dannon has the new carb control
yogurt that is made with splenda but still has some fat in it and I found it
to be thick and satisfying.

Jenn
jayjay - 05 Mar 2004 02:23 GMT
> I also sweeten plain yogurt with splenda and then mix in my own fresh or
> frozen unsweetened fruit and some Fiber One cereal.  Yogurt companies are
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Jenn

cool - I'll have to look for those.  Haven't seen them around here yet, but
haven't looked real hard yet either.
Steve Knight - 05 Mar 2004 16:52 GMT
>I also sweeten plain yogurt with splenda and then mix in my own fresh or
>frozen unsweetened fruit and some Fiber One cereal.  Yogurt companies are
>now making sf yogurt with splenda.

try stevia powder it is healthier and far cheaper. for 12.99 you can get 1000
servings. one serving is 1/40 of a teaspoon. get it in a healthfood store.

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Jayjay - 05 Mar 2004 16:57 GMT
>>I also sweeten plain yogurt with splenda and then mix in my own fresh or
>>frozen unsweetened fruit and some Fiber One cereal.  Yogurt companies are
>>now making sf yogurt with splenda.
>
>try stevia powder it is healthier and far cheaper. for 12.99 you can get 1000
>servings. one serving is 1/40 of a teaspoon. get it in a healthfood store.

I think stevia is horrid.   It tastes awful, it has an even worse
after taste.
J.J. in WA State - 05 Mar 2004 17:00 GMT
Hark! I heard "JMA" <bjenniferb@yahoo.com> say:

> > I've switched to using plain yogurt w/ my fruit and sweeten it with
> splenda.
> > Otherwise I find that containers of yogurt that are already sweetened or
> > have fruit already mixed in has too much sugar that it causes me cravings
> > later.

> I also sweeten plain yogurt with splenda and then mix in my own fresh or
> frozen unsweetened fruit and some Fiber One cereal.  Yogurt companies are
> now making sf yogurt with splenda.  Blue Bunny makes a fat-free/sugar-free
> yogurt that's not too bad but kind of thin.  Dannon has the new carb control
> yogurt that is made with splenda but still has some fat in it and I found it
> to be thick and satisfying.

I've been eating the Dannon for a week or so -- it's got 3g of sugar, 3g
of fat, and 5g of protein. It's okay, but I want to try the plain yogurt
with Splenda and fruit thing; thanks for the great idea, ladies... :-)

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MH - 08 Mar 2004 02:55 GMT
> > You may be making it more difficult for yourself by not looking at
> 'hidden'
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> like blue cheese and other creamy type dressings instead of the more oily
> ones that have higher sugar content.

Make your own. I make my EVOO (extra virgin olive oil) dressing and there is
no sugar in it. It takes as long as it does to open a bottle of premade
yucky stuff, it's cheaper and takes hundreds of times better.

Martha
Stan - 08 Mar 2004 17:43 GMT
>> I can, soooo, agree with that.  I have switched to using salad dressings
>> like blue cheese and other creamy type dressings instead of the more oily
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Martha

I saw a bottle of avocado oil at the store.  Having never had avocado
oil, I bought it.

I mixed it about half-and-half with Louisiana Hot Sauce to make salad
dressing.  It was very good.  

I'm sure olive oil would work just as well.

Stan
MH - 09 Mar 2004 02:43 GMT
> >> I can, soooo, agree with that.  I have switched to using salad dressings
> >> like blue cheese and other creamy type dressings instead of the more oily
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Stan

Yeah, they make oil out of all sorts of things...I really like walnut oil
and hazelnut oil is also good.

Martha
Cp - 05 Mar 2004 03:38 GMT
> > > >I decided to give up sugar for lent in hopes of jump starting healthier
> > > >eating.  40 days to healtier me :)  As I am a Christian it means a lot
[quoted text clipped - 66 lines]
>
> j

I've tried before to examine absolutely everything but I wind up getting so
confused and frustrated that I eventually just reverted back.  I figure if I
attack it slowly then I'll be able to handle and figure out the changes.
The only condiment I really use is ketchup (at times a ridiculous amount).
Fruit wise I don't eat bananas because they give me stomach pains.  I tend
to eat things like pears, peaches, apples, oranges, grapes year round.  I do
eat cantaloup and watermelon in the summer months because of the water
content they seem to have.

I really should eat more veggies.  I'm not great at that.  I know I should
stay away from carrots as well that way.

I've always preferred creamy dressings to vinagrettes but I thought for sure
there would be more sugar in the creamy.  So thanks JJ for that info!! :)

I don't seem to be having huge cravings for sugar.  I think I want it more
out of habit or out of "oooh, yes I remember that tasting so good" kind of
thing.  Perhaps I'm not eating things to trigger that though.  It's only
been a week but I feel better already.
Ignoramus9863 - 05 Mar 2004 04:02 GMT
> I've tried before to examine absolutely everything but I wind up getting so
> confused and frustrated that I eventually just reverted back.  I figure if I
> attack it slowly then I'll be able to handle and figure out the changes.

it is not actually difficult. Many products have no sugars
added. Think about meat, raw vegetables etc.

Some almost always do and are not even worth checking out. Think
cold cereals or ice creams.

Then there is stuff in the middle, where you can usually figure it out
in a few seconds, literally.

Look for mention of
    - sugar
    - sucrose
    - "cane juice"
    - honey
    - high fructose corn syrup

that's all that there is to it.

> I don't seem to be having huge cravings for sugar.  I think I want it more
> out of habit or out of "oooh, yes I remember that tasting so good" kind of

you are very lucky.

i
Cp - 05 Mar 2004 13:04 GMT
> > I've tried before to examine absolutely everything but I wind up getting so
> > confused and frustrated that I eventually just reverted back.  I figure if I
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> that's all that there is to it.

That is if you have the list of ingredients in front of you.  I never
thought of it that way though.  I will try to put that into practice.

> > I don't seem to be having huge cravings for sugar.  I think I want it more
> > out of habit or out of "oooh, yes I remember that tasting so good" kind of
>
> you are very lucky.
>
> i

Not lucky really.  I think I've finally reached that point where I'm sick
and tired of the crap :)  The lent thing is more to help me develop the
habit of not automatically reaching for it.
Ignoramus9863 - 04 Mar 2004 23:40 GMT
>> >I decided to give up sugar for lent in hopes of jump starting healthier
>> >eating.  40 days to healtier me :)  As I am a Christian it means a lot to
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> think in terms of diabetes the hidden sugars also have to be avoided.  I
> figure lick the obvious and work on the tough stuff later.

Cp, I will write more later, as I am busy with the kid, but I suggest
buying a book called Dr Bernstein's Diabetes solution. Don't do it by
the soundbite, try to get systematically complete information. It is
simply too important. There is a lot of diabetics and prediabetics in
alt.support.diet.low-carb. You may want to poke your nose there.

i
Brad Sheppard - 04 Mar 2004 22:26 GMT
Don't forget to block Satan's (oops - sugar's) other forms.  The
sneakiest is "high fructose corn syrup" aka sugar. I rejected most
tomatoe sauces because of that - I finally found Cento brand.  Added
sugars, in all their forms, are the bane of Western society and a
major factor in our obesity epidemic.  I eat no added sugars, white
bread, white potatoes, refined grains, or red meat.  BTW, I do eat
artifical sweeteners.

> I decided to give up sugar for lent in hopes of jump starting healthier
> eating.  40 days to healtier me :)  As I am a Christian it means a lot to me
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>
> Cp
 
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