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Jayjay - 08 Mar 2004 21:39 GMT
I'm all stubbed ub....

They hit on Saturday morning, and hit with a vengence.   I've never
been an allergy sufferer, that I'd noticed, before.   But the oak
pollen is out full force, the orange blossoms are in bloom, and so are
dozens of other plants and with the rains we've had in florida this
winter, the pollen season is very high.

I'm so stuffed up that even walking from one part of the building to
another leaves me out of breath.  My eyes hurt, my head hearts, I
can't breath, and I can't sleep because I can't breath.  

After 2 weekends of moving computer equipment around so that the
office can be recarpeted, I'm exhausted, and all the dust that was
kicked up from that venture has surely made this allergy attack worse.

The good side of it is, I'm not hungry for food either.  I just feel
to rotten to eat.   On the other hand, when I do eat, I'm looking for
comfort foods.   So I have to be careful.

I also have made a doc appt for tomorrow to have my fsucked up knee
looked at.  I did something to it while on vacation and it hasn't been
right since.  Just walking the dog makes it swell and hurt.  

I do have to say though - I don't know how allergy sufferers deal with
it.  I'm miserable.  Zyrtec isn't helping either.  I can't imagine
living like this all the time.
Dally - 08 Mar 2004 21:42 GMT
> I do have to say though - I don't know how allergy sufferers deal with
> it.  I'm miserable.  Zyrtec isn't helping either.  I can't imagine
> living like this all the time.  

Tylenol Sinus.  It's a decongestant bundled with Tylenol.  I don't like
the antihistamines and generally find I can handle the histamine
reaction, I just can't handle the sinus issue.

Dally, envying you your pollen as I look out at mud
Jayjay - 08 Mar 2004 22:04 GMT
>> I do have to say though - I don't know how allergy sufferers deal with
>> it.  I'm miserable.  Zyrtec isn't helping either.  I can't imagine
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>
>Dally, envying you your pollen as I look out at mud

When is your trip down here this year?

I'll have to give the TS a try.   I can't stand benedryl, but
psuedophed gives me the gitters and I have trouble sleeping.
Teri - 08 Mar 2004 22:16 GMT
> >> I do have to say though - I don't know how allergy sufferers deal with
> >> it.  I'm miserable.  Zyrtec isn't helping either.  I can't imagine
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> I'll have to give the TS a try.   I can't stand benedryl, but
> psuedophed gives me the gitters and I have trouble sleeping.

I'm a big fan of sudofed - but I agree, it keeps me up at night.  If it's
all in your sinuses how about good old Afrin?  Just don't use it much ... on
the worst of days, tho' it's wonderful!
Teri
JayJay - 08 Mar 2004 23:10 GMT
> I'm a big fan of sudofed - but I agree, it keeps me up at night.  If it's
> all in your sinuses how about good old Afrin?  Just don't use it much ... on
> the worst of days, tho' it's wonderful!
> Teri

Hey Lady!!!  :-)

I think I might have some Afrin here at the house, as we will use it before
a dive to clear the sinuses - makes descending easier, and helps with that
post dive snot face issue.   <tmi>

Although, since it is 6pm and I'm home for the evening, I might just take
some drowsy type meds and just crash early tonight.

And, since I've gotten on the subject - when is *your* next trip down here.
Teri - 09 Mar 2004 01:43 GMT
> > I'm a big fan of sudofed - but I agree, it keeps me up at night.  If it's
> > all in your sinuses how about good old Afrin?  Just don't use it much ...
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>
> And, since I've gotten on the subject - when is *your* next trip down here.

Well, we were hoping for this spring - but that trip has been postponed in
lieu of adenoid/tonsil surgery for my 5yo who did terribly on a sleep study
:-( and has been diagnosed with significant sleep disordered breathing
including obstructive sleep apnea and hypopnea.
Teri
Teri
jayjay - 09 Mar 2004 02:01 GMT
> > > I'm a big fan of sudofed - but I agree, it keeps me up at night.  If
> it's
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> Teri
> Teri

Hey - I had adenoids and tonsils out when I was 5 yrs old...  That's a day
surgery now, isn't it?  I know I was in the hospital for a week or so for
recovery - but that was back in the 70's.
Teri - 09 Mar 2004 02:55 GMT
> > > > I'm a big fan of sudofed - but I agree, it keeps me up at night.  If
> > it's
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> surgery now, isn't it?  I know I was in the hospital for a week or so for
> recovery - but that was back in the 70's.

45min-1 hour ... recovery for 4 hours than home we go :-)  ... out of school
for a week ... no sports for 2 weeks.
Teri
Perple Gyrl - 10 Mar 2004 04:28 GMT
It doesn't help a nose that won't stop running but isn't clogged!

"Teri" <teriblahblahblah@blah.com> wrote in message
> I'm a big fan of sudofed - but I agree, it keeps me up at night.  If it's
> all in your sinuses how about good old Afrin?  Just don't use it much ... on
> the worst of days, tho' it's wonderful!
> Teri
Dally - 09 Mar 2004 00:09 GMT
>>>I do have to say though - I don't know how allergy sufferers deal with
>>>it.  I'm miserable.  Zyrtec isn't helping either.  I can't imagine
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>
> When is your trip down here this year?

April 16th.  :-)  But we're only there the week-end and then go on a
five day cruise all week, back the following week-end for a day or two
then we have to head home for a function.  I do hate to cut my time in
Florida short!!!

> I'll have to give the TS a try.   I can't stand benedryl, but
> psuedophed gives me the gitters and I have trouble sleeping.

Sudafed is in Tylenol Sinus IIRC.  Try Afrin, it works too.  I like
sudafed personally.

Dally
jayjay - 09 Mar 2004 00:18 GMT
> April 16th.  :-)  But we're only there the week-end and then go on a
> five day cruise all week, back the following week-end for a day or two
> then we have to head home for a function.  I do hate to cut my time in
> Florida short!!!

we may be having a *reception* type function one of those weekends.   DH's
parents will be in town, and I think my dad will also be in town.  DH's SIL
wants to have a "party" for us, and I figure it might be best to just wait
until then to do it.    But, I don't know anything yet because DH's parents
don't know what they are doing yet.

> > I'll have to give the TS a try.   I can't stand benedryl, but
> > psuedophed gives me the gitters and I have trouble sleeping.
>
> Sudafed is in Tylenol Sinus IIRC.  Try Afrin, it works too.  I like
> sudafed personally.

went digging through the medicine cabinet at home and came across a generic
"cold" medicine that I just took, had psuedo.. in it, and then I took 1
excedrin PM and I'm sending DS to bed at 8pm.    Or I should say, he's
getting kicked off the PS2 in my bedroom at 8pm so I can go to bed.

I didn't make it as far back as the afrin, I just grabbed the first thing I
could find.  I've been sneezing nonstop since I got home.
JMA - 09 Mar 2004 03:28 GMT
> I'm all stubbed ub....
>
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> it.  I'm miserable.  Zyrtec isn't helping either.  I can't imagine
> living like this all the time.

I just heard on the news yesterday or recently that allergy season is going
to hit everywhere earlier than usual. I hope you find some relief soon and
that the knee thing isn't serious.

Jenn
Perple Gyrl - 10 Mar 2004 04:26 GMT
I have pretty bad allergies too and they make life pretty miserable at
times!  I didn't even start having allergy problems until I hit my 30's.

Right now, I can't stop sneezing, my nose is runny, the inside of my ears
itch and I have a headache I can't get rid of.  I am on Clariton and
Duratess and advil.  Blech.

Sorry about your knee!

> I'm all stubbed ub....
>
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> it.  I'm miserable.  Zyrtec isn't helping either.  I can't imagine
> living like this all the time.
Carol Frilegh - 10 Mar 2004 10:22 GMT
> I have pretty bad allergies too and they make life pretty miserable at
> times!  I didn't even start having allergy problems until I hit my 30's.

Try eliminating grain, soy and sugar from your diet. Check out

http://breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

Although it's adiet for gastric problems. it helped me with allergies.
Food, the environment, chemicals and synthetics can add to the moseries
of allergy.

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Perple Gyrl - 10 Mar 2004 13:09 GMT
Thanks... I'll check out the site!

"Carol Frilegh" <cma@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > Try eliminating grain,
soy and sugar from your diet. Check out

> http://breakingtheviciouscycle.info/
>
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> ******
> There is no substitute for the right food
Perple Gyrl - 10 Mar 2004 13:15 GMT
BTW, it says the diet is for (cut and pasted):

The Specific Carbohydrate DietT has helped many thousands of people with
various forms of bowel disease and other ailments vastly improve their
quality of life. In many cases people consider themselves cured. It is a
diet intended mainly for Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, celiac
disease, diverticulitis, cystic fibrosis and chronic diarrhea.

I don't have any of those problems.... where on the site does it mention
seasonal allergies?

> > I have pretty bad allergies too and they make life pretty miserable at
> > times!  I didn't even start having allergy problems until I hit my 30's.
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> ******
> There is no substitute for the right food
Carol Frilegh - 10 Mar 2004 17:57 GMT
> BTW, it says the diet is for (cut and pasted):
>
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> > ******
> > There is no substitute for the right food

It may help with food sensitivities. Some symptoms are similar to
seasonal allergies:

Example I get a seasonal type reaction to wheat
Perple Gyrl - 11 Mar 2004 00:55 GMT
Hmmm... I probably need to go to an allergist to get properly tested.  DH
has severe and multiple food allergies.  I've just never thought that I
would have the same problems he has... but I might!  I'll see about seeing
an allergist soon.. thanks for the idea.

> > BTW, it says the diet is for (cut and pasted):
> >
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>
> Example I get a seasonal type reaction to wheat
Carol Frilegh - 11 Mar 2004 11:51 GMT
> Hmmm... I probably need to go to an allergist to get properly tested.  DH
> has severe and multiple food allergies.  I've just never thought that I
> would have the same problems he has... but I might!  I'll see about seeing
> an allergist soon.. thanks for the idea.

Perple, the tests can be misleading as when the immune system thinks
it's under attack it can manifest an allergic reaction to something you
are not actually sensitive to.

kepp a food and reaction joirnal for a while to see if reactions are
consistent. just a suggestion.

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Perple Gyrl - 11 Mar 2004 13:42 GMT
I keep a food journal daily and I eat a wheat bran and soy almost every day.
I am going to give it up for a few days and see if I feel better.  Thanks!

"Carol Frilegh" <cma@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > Perple, the tests can
be misleading as when the immune system thinks
> it's under attack it can manifest an allergic reaction to something you
> are not actually sensitive to.
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> *****
> The Best Man for the Job May Be A Woman
Jayjay - 10 Mar 2004 18:33 GMT
>BTW, it says the diet is for (cut and pasted):
>
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>I don't have any of those problems.... where on the site does it mention
>seasonal allergies?

I was on the phone with one of my vendors yesterday and we were
commiserating on how poorly we both felt.

He told me that he gave up wheat a few years ago, and has had less of
a problem with his pollen/grass allergies.   His thoughts were - wheat
= grass...  He can also tell that when he has wheat, right away his
allergy type sypmtoms return.

The rather funny part to the story was - as conjested as I am right
now, when he told me he gave up "wheat"...  I heard him to say he gave
up "Weed"...  made for quite the humorous conversation for a bit.  :-)
Carol Frilegh - 10 Mar 2004 23:04 GMT
> >BTW, it says the diet is for (cut and pasted):
> >
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> now, when he told me he gave up "wheat"...  I heard him to say he gave
> up "Weed"...  made for quite the humorous conversation for a bit.  :-)

It's case of the kettle calling the grain pot.

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Perple Gyrl - 11 Mar 2004 01:01 GMT
I don't really eat wheat bread very often.  If I do, I'll eat earthgrains 35
wheat bread maybe 1-2x a week.  I do eat Keto lc oatmeal mixed with brad
buds about 5x a week.  Soy and Whey are leading ingrediants in the Keto low
carb oatmeal that I make a part of my morning breakfast.  ARG, I hope I
don't have allergies to that.  I love the taste of the lc oatmeal and just
got a delivery of 10 canisters from a shipment online!   I've been eating
this combination for most of my breakfasts since Christmas.... This is also
my 2nd sinus infection since January.

Another possible cause of my sinus infection could be how I spent my
weekend.  I spent 3 days helping my mother and step dad pack their house in
E. Texas to move back to Dallas.  Where they live now is very damp and
mildewy smelling.... They also live about 1 block from a train relay
station, so there are fumes in the air almost constantly.  I am also under a
tremendous amount of stress from my job and personal obligations.  Stress
can also reduce the effectiveness of my immune system.

**** (rant begins)
On a personal note.... I am in the process of buying and closing on the
house they will be moving into in Dallas.  I am buying it as an investment
property and am going to rent it to them.  There is NO WAY that they will be
able to sell the house they are in.  The trains have reduced the value, plus
they have a prepayment penalty AND did a 100% loan with no
downpayment/equity.  Add to the fact that they owe much more then what it is
worth now...   I told them just to let the bank take it back and foreclose
on it.  The train relay station was inoperable when she and my step dad
bought the house a year ago.  6 mos later, it opened up.   Trains rattle
their walls 24/7 sometimes.  It greatly upsets me to hear her cough every
time I talk to her on the phone.  I am doing this because I have to do
this... no one else in my family or step dad's family can afford to do this
for them.  I couldn't live with myself knowing  that I could have helped but
didn't.

Another horrible thing about the situation is that my step dad just got done
going thru chemo in December for level 3 (severe) prostate cancer.  He also
has diabetes and has some leg issues (nerve damage, can't remember the name
of it) because of it.  Sooo... add to this equation a great step dad that is
in recent remission with cancer that can't sleep and heal properly in the
environment he's in.  The loan is in his name, so he will not be able to get
a loan with a recent forclosure on his credit report.  His kids don't have
the money or credit to help them either.  My mother has crappy credit and
could never qualify for a loan on her own.  Step dad is 70 and mom is 61.

My sister can't help them either... she is a single parent working her a.s
off just to take care of my neice and herself.  My sister also rents a house
from me that I own!!  However, I have a very low balance on it and the
payments are cheap.  I lived in this house for 9 years before I bought the
one I am in 10 mos ago.

I feel proud and happy that I am financially able to do this for my mom and
sister.  But I am also worried about the the future.  I don't want to be
stuck with an extra mtg payment if something happens to either of them.  I
don't see how I have a choice in the matter.  I feel like BOA sometimes
(Bank of Adela - my name).  I need to get insurance and a will set up incase
something happens to me so that the houses will be paid for (worse case
scenerio).

Stress of getting my commissions up on my newish job (Mortgage banker, paid
100% commission, started in oct 2003) so I can afford to live AND rebuild my
dwindling savings.  Stress of being the owner of 3 houses.... of trying to
get pregnant soon!  ARG... it is amazing that I don't have pnemonia.  My
hubby has been looking for work for months with no luck or opportunities
that pay him near what he is worth.

Sorry to rant, I am amazed I haven't gained weight or started smoking again
due to all the sh.t I am going thru now. ...   I'm taking it out on the
weights instead.

(I'll go look up allergists in my plan tomorrow.... If I am allergic to soy,
I'll have many unopened canisters of Keto lc oatmeal for sale (lol).)

"Jayjay" <jjf_71@notmail.com> wrote in message

> I was on the phone with one of my vendors yesterday and we were
> commiserating on how poorly we both felt.
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> now, when he told me he gave up "wheat"...  I heard him to say he gave
> up "Weed"...  made for quite the humorous conversation for a bit.  :-)
Chris Braun - 11 Mar 2004 02:24 GMT
Perple, I'm impressed by your goodness as a daughter and as a sister.
And I hope you feel better soon!

Chris
Perple Gyrl - 11 Mar 2004 02:32 GMT
Thanks Chris... I left for the gym after I posted that.  I couldn't do any
cardio, but I did about 30 mins of lower body weights and 20 mins of
stretching and ab work.  I feel better and less stressed.

I am glad that I am able to help them, but WISH that they did not require
help.  As I've said, I couldn't live with myself unless I helped them.
Besides, it does help having extra tax write-offs since I am commission.
They would have done the same for me if the roles were reversed.  I guess I
get my ability to be financially savy and save money from my dad.  I get the
dreaming from my mother.  The 2 of them should never have been married...
reality and fantasy, day and night between them.  My step dad is an artist
and a dreamer like mom.  My step mom is a financial planner and a realist
like dad.  They are all better matched and I get along wonderfully with my
step siblings and parents on both sides.

No wonder I developed a binging eating disorder as a child that I still
fight with daily!!

Thanks again... I usually don't like to post things like this about my real
life.  However, it sometimes helps to get it out and vent.

> Perple, I'm impressed by your goodness as a daughter and as a sister.
> And I hope you feel better soon!
>
> Chris
MH - 12 Mar 2004 02:52 GMT
> Thanks Chris... I left for the gym after I posted that.  I couldn't do any
> cardio, but I did about 30 mins of lower body weights and 20 mins of
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> Thanks again... I usually don't like to post things like this about my real
> life.  However, it sometimes helps to get it out and vent.

Wow, you're doing such a good thing, Perpyl!

My dad & stepmom are quite well off...more so than I'll ever be. I'm pretty
sure I'll never own property; around here condos go for 500k or more.

But, I'm spending my money enjoying myself, anyway. : )

Martha
Perple Gyrl - 12 Mar 2004 04:00 GMT
Thanks!

My mom and step dad don't have much money (obviously).  My dad and step mom
have enough money for retirement, but they are not rich.  They own a house
near Sacremento and a house in the Bay area that they travel between weekly.
I guess they can't be doing that badly... but he never tells me how much he
has.

San Fran is quite expensive... How much are apartments?  All 3 of my houses
put together are worth under 500k.  Housing is much cheaper here then where
you live I guess.

I am enjoying myself every now and then too!

"MH" <bastzine@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> Wow, you're doing such a good thing, Perpyl!
>
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>
> Martha
MH - 13 Mar 2004 00:56 GMT
> Thanks!
>
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> put together are worth under 500k.  Housing is much cheaper here then where
> you live I guess.

My studio is $800 a month, and that's considered cheap! If I were to move,
I'd have to pay at least $1000 a month. But, there's a tradeoff. We have
wonderful weather, food, the most land dedicated to parks and open space,
etc., etc.

> I am enjoying myself every now and then too!

Cool!

Martha

> "MH" <bastzine@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > Wow, you're doing such a good thing, Perpyl!
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> >
> > Martha
JMA - 11 Mar 2004 03:52 GMT
> Sorry to rant, I am amazed I haven't gained weight or started smoking again
> due to all the sh.t I am going thru now. ...   I'm taking it out on the
> weights instead.

There's something to be happy about in all of this - using something other
than food to relieve stress and you definitely have a lot of stress.  I was
in a similar situation with my father and could very well end up there
again.  DH and I have already set things up financially so that we can help
take care of him if necessary without us losing our house if something
happened to one of us.  I also have a trust fund set up for my nephews and
niece to help them with college since my brother told us that they weren't
thinking about it since the kids probably wouldn't go anyway - this was when
the oldest was 5.

You have a lot on your plate and seem to be dealing with it.  You know we're
all here for ya!

Jenn
Perple Gyrl - 11 Mar 2004 03:13 GMT
"JMA" <bjenniferb@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> There's something to be happy about in all of this - using something other
> than food to relieve stress and you definitely have a lot of stress.  I was
> in a similar situation with my father and could very well end up there
> again.  DH and I have already set things up financially so that we can help
> take care of him if necessary without us losing our house if something
> happened to one of us.

***That is a good idea.  If you don't mind, could you email me some ideas on
how to do that.  I was thinking about doing the same for mom.

I also have a trust fund set up for my nephews and
> niece to help them with college since my brother told us that they weren't
> thinking about it since the kids probably wouldn't go anyway - this was when
> the oldest was 5.

***Geez that is terrible!!!  What do you think of that new 529 plan?  I was
thinking about doing the same for my neice (who is 3 now).  It could put
money in a fund for her college AND it offers a new tax deduction for me.
It would kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

> You have a lot on your plate and seem to be dealing with it.  You know we're
> all here for ya!

***For the most part I am dealing with it.  There was 1 morning this
weekend... where I found myself at that continental breakfast bar at the
hotel while hubby was in the shower.  I didn't even think 2x, but I wound up
eating a few pastries.  I felt sick for the rest of the day and very
disappointed with myself.  I am doing better then I would have done a year
ago... but I still slip every now and then.  It didn't help during this trip
that my mom and step dad live in hickville usa with 2 restaurants... Jennys
fried chicken and Elijah's (greasy spoon) cafe.  My mom's current kitchen is
basically non-functional and I would up trying to pick out healthy food at
these restaurants.

I got back on track Sunday morning on my way back.  I drank about four 20 oz
bottles of water during my 6 hour drive.  Hubby didn't complain much when I
had to stop every hour to pee.  I drank more when I got home AND went to gym
to work out hard and did over an hour of hard elliptical cardio.

> Jenn
jmk - 11 Mar 2004 13:18 GMT
> I don't really eat wheat bread very often.  If I do, I'll eat earthgrains 35
> wheat bread maybe 1-2x a week.  I do eat Keto lc oatmeal mixed with brad
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> this combination for most of my breakfasts since Christmas.... This is also
> my 2nd sinus infection since January.

Take care of yourself!

> Another possible cause of my sinus infection could be how I spent my
> weekend.  I spent 3 days helping my mother and step dad pack their house in
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>
> **** (rant begins)

Hang in there Perple!  You are doing a lot of people a lot of good (and
today is Thursday so we are closer to the next weekend than the previous
one!)

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Perple Gyrl - 11 Mar 2004 13:42 GMT
Thank you!!

> > I don't really eat wheat bread very often.  If I do, I'll eat earthgrains 35
> > wheat bread maybe 1-2x a week.  I do eat Keto lc oatmeal mixed with brad
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> --
> jmk in NC
Beverly - 11 Mar 2004 14:46 GMT
(some snipping)
> Another possible cause of my sinus infection could be how I spent my
> weekend.  I spent 3 days helping my mother and step dad pack their house in
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> tremendous amount of stress from my job and personal obligations.  Stress
> can also reduce the effectiveness of my immune system.

Mildew will set my sinus problems off everytime.  I'm fighting a sinus
infection myself but this one was triggered from flying and climate change.
Everytime I fly my sinus problems flare up.  It's one of the reasons I
avoid flying.

Hopefully you'll get your mom and stepdad settled in the new place and
things will begin to calm down for you.  I think it's great you're able and
willing to help them.

Beverly
Perple Gyrl - 12 Mar 2004 04:03 GMT
Thanks... I hope you get to feeling better too!

I was completely wheat and soy free today, and I plan to not have anymore
for a few days to see if it helps me feel better.  I bought some spelt
wheat/yeast free bread, whey protein shake powder and oat bran hot cereal
from Whole Foods tonight.   I was in a keto and bran buds rut for 3 mos now!

"Beverly" <Beverly.Owens@work.com> wrote in message

> Mildew will set my sinus problems off everytime.  I'm fighting a sinus
> infection myself but this one was triggered from flying and climate change.
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>
> Beverly
Doug Freyburger - 12 Mar 2004 21:29 GMT
> I was completely wheat and soy free today, and I plan to not have anymore
> for a few days to see if it helps me feel better.

The first time I detoxed from wheat it two two weeks for all of the
symptoms to go away.  A few days aren't enough.

> I bought some spelt wheat/yeast free bread

Unfortunately spelt is wheat according to my alergic reactions.  Be
cautioned that it will prevent you from detoxing if wheat is the
source of the problem.

> whey protein shake powder and oat bran hot cereal
> from Whole Foods tonight.

Good stuff if it's only wheat you have a problem with.  Some have a
problem with gluten more generally versus wheat more specifically,
and oat has a small amount of gluten.
Perple Gyrl - 13 Mar 2004 00:13 GMT
> > I was completely wheat and soy free today, and I plan to not have anymore
> > for a few days to see if it helps me feel better.
>
> The first time I detoxed from wheat it two two weeks for all of the
> symptoms to go away.  A few days aren't enough.

**Thank I'll keep that in mind!

> > I bought some spelt wheat/yeast free bread
>
> Unfortunately spelt is wheat according to my alergic reactions.  Be
> cautioned that it will prevent you from detoxing if wheat is the
> source of the problem.

**The package says  Wheat free on it... what is the difference between spelt
bread and wheat bread?  I had a piece this morning and it was great.

> > whey protein shake powder and oat bran hot cereal
> > from Whole Foods tonight.
>
> Good stuff if it's only wheat you have a problem with.  Some have a
> problem with gluten more generally versus wheat more specifically,
> and oat has a small amount of gluten.

**After I get better, I am going to an allergist.  My hubby told me that I
will have to do the allergy testing over a 4-5 day period so that I don't
start showing allergic reactions to everything.  He said that they can only
test for about 30-50 allergies at once to get the best results.  He's has
more food allergies then you can imagine and gets tested yearly.
Doug Freyburger - 15 Mar 2004 16:09 GMT
> > > I bought some spelt wheat/yeast free bread
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> **The package says  Wheat free on it... what is the difference between spelt
> bread and wheat bread?

Spelt is less-domesticated wheat.

Think of dogs and wolves.  If a pet store were to sell a wolf, they could
validly put a "dog-free" label on the wolf in some views.  But if you are
alergic to dog hair, does it really make sense to buy that wolf and assume
you won't sneeze at its hair?  Wolves are mostly-undomesticated dogs to a
very great extent.  Wolves and dogs can interbreed and produce viable
offspring so they are nearly the same species (unlike horses and donkeys).

Dog is to wolf as wheat is to spelt.  That describes both the differences
and the similarities nicely.

Companies love to serach for an excuse to put a cool sounding logo on
their labels.  Doesn't make the logos actually correct.

So it will depend on your body's specific wheat alergy.  If what you're
intolerant of is something recently bred into wheat, you're good to eat
spelt.  Whatever it is in wheat I'm intolerant of is common to wheat
from back before it was domesticated, so I react to spelt-breed
less-domesticated wheat the same as I am to durham-breed
more-domesticated wheat.
Perple Gyrl - 16 Mar 2004 14:16 GMT
"Doug Freyburger" <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> > **The package says  Wheat free on it... what is the difference between spelt
> > bread and wheat bread?
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> less-domesticated wheat the same as I am to durham-breed
> more-domesticated wheat.

That would be so difficult to figure out!  I'll just try out the "avoid
conventional wheat flour and soy" and see what happens!  Thanks for
explaining this to me... Is there any brand or type of bread that is wheat
free completely that you could recommend?  I don't eat bread a lot... just 1
piece 3-4x a week.
Doug Freyburger - 16 Mar 2004 23:53 GMT
> > Whatever it is in wheat I'm intolerant of is common to wheat
> > from back before it was domesticated, so I react to spelt-breed
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Is there any brand or type of bread that is wheat
> free completely that you could recommend?

I don't eat enough bread to be able to recommend a brand.  Being allergic
to wheat gives me this negative attitude towards eating grass.  I have to
be in a serious moo-cow mode to want bread.  I'm also a low carber on
maintenance so if I invest in some bread the rest of the day has less
veggies, so I don't do that often.

I go to German delis and they have German or Dutch stuff made from 100%
rye kernels, sometimes with some corn or linseed.  Extremely heavy, and
it has gluten so it depends on your reaction.  Like a black cube double
wrapped in clear plastic with assorted colored labels.

I go to the occasional health food place and look for products labelled
"wheat free" and then check the label for the spelt trick.  In my freezer
now is some millet bread, but it has been in there months and I've only
had half of it so far.

In Seattle there was a brand named Ener-G that produced a lot of wheat-free
baked goods.  Some of them like dust, others pretty good.
Perple Gyrl - 17 Mar 2004 05:51 GMT
Thank you very much for the suggestions... I will watch for better
alternatives!

"Doug Freyburger" <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> I go to German delis and they have German or Dutch stuff made from 100%
> rye kernels, sometimes with some corn or linseed.  Extremely heavy, and
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> In Seattle there was a brand named Ener-G that produced a lot of wheat-free
> baked goods.  Some of them like dust, others pretty good.
Doug Freyburger - 17 Mar 2004 15:57 GMT
> Thank you very much for the suggestions... I will watch for better
> alternatives!

Being in the maintenance phase with a CCLM of 100, I don't bother
with low carb brands.  Two reasons:

1) I have yet to find a low carb bread that is wheat free.  Being
wheat allergic, that's an automatic no-go for me.

2) Having a CCLM of 100 I have plenty of carbs to work with.  I
completely ignored all bread of all types until I had the quota to
spare to be able to have some of the non-low-carb types.

Early on I *really* wanted bread, but Dr A's advice to avoid grain
and eat real veggies and meat kept ringing in my head.  His process
is so very anti-obvious, but it was working so well I just took it
on faith and followed the grain avoidance part, too, until I hit
that step in adding back risks that it was time to try it.  When it
turned out wheat is what gave me a chronic cough and chainsaw
snoring and such, my attitude towards bread changed with this huge
*snap*.  If it has wheat I don't want it and I don't miss it because
I don't want and don't miss the coughing, snoring, etc.  The change
when I linked wheat to what it was doing to my was amazing.
Perple Gyrl - 18 Mar 2004 03:14 GMT
I am glad that you discovered that it was a trigger for you.  However, I
just about never cough when I am not sick with sinusitis.  My snoring has
also cut down a bunch since my neck got thinner.  I have an appt with an
allergist for a consultation next week!

"Doug Freyburger" <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote in message

When it
> turned out wheat is what gave me a chronic cough and chainsaw
> snoring and such, my attitude towards bread changed with this huge
> *snap*.  If it has wheat I don't want it and I don't miss it because
> I don't want and don't miss the coughing, snoring, etc.  The change
> when I linked wheat to what it was doing to my was amazing.
 
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