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Jayjay - 08 Mar 2004 21:39 GMT I'm all stubbed ub....
They hit on Saturday morning, and hit with a vengence. I've never been an allergy sufferer, that I'd noticed, before. But the oak pollen is out full force, the orange blossoms are in bloom, and so are dozens of other plants and with the rains we've had in florida this winter, the pollen season is very high.
I'm so stuffed up that even walking from one part of the building to another leaves me out of breath. My eyes hurt, my head hearts, I can't breath, and I can't sleep because I can't breath.
After 2 weekends of moving computer equipment around so that the office can be recarpeted, I'm exhausted, and all the dust that was kicked up from that venture has surely made this allergy attack worse.
The good side of it is, I'm not hungry for food either. I just feel to rotten to eat. On the other hand, when I do eat, I'm looking for comfort foods. So I have to be careful.
I also have made a doc appt for tomorrow to have my fsucked up knee looked at. I did something to it while on vacation and it hasn't been right since. Just walking the dog makes it swell and hurt.
I do have to say though - I don't know how allergy sufferers deal with it. I'm miserable. Zyrtec isn't helping either. I can't imagine living like this all the time.
Dally - 08 Mar 2004 21:42 GMT > I do have to say though - I don't know how allergy sufferers deal with > it. I'm miserable. Zyrtec isn't helping either. I can't imagine > living like this all the time. Tylenol Sinus. It's a decongestant bundled with Tylenol. I don't like the antihistamines and generally find I can handle the histamine reaction, I just can't handle the sinus issue.
Dally, envying you your pollen as I look out at mud
Jayjay - 08 Mar 2004 22:04 GMT >> I do have to say though - I don't know how allergy sufferers deal with >> it. I'm miserable. Zyrtec isn't helping either. I can't imagine [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Dally, envying you your pollen as I look out at mud When is your trip down here this year?
I'll have to give the TS a try. I can't stand benedryl, but psuedophed gives me the gitters and I have trouble sleeping.
Teri - 08 Mar 2004 22:16 GMT > >> I do have to say though - I don't know how allergy sufferers deal with > >> it. I'm miserable. Zyrtec isn't helping either. I can't imagine [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I'll have to give the TS a try. I can't stand benedryl, but > psuedophed gives me the gitters and I have trouble sleeping. I'm a big fan of sudofed - but I agree, it keeps me up at night. If it's all in your sinuses how about good old Afrin? Just don't use it much ... on the worst of days, tho' it's wonderful! Teri
JayJay - 08 Mar 2004 23:10 GMT > I'm a big fan of sudofed - but I agree, it keeps me up at night. If it's > all in your sinuses how about good old Afrin? Just don't use it much ... on > the worst of days, tho' it's wonderful! > Teri Hey Lady!!! :-)
I think I might have some Afrin here at the house, as we will use it before a dive to clear the sinuses - makes descending easier, and helps with that post dive snot face issue. <tmi>
Although, since it is 6pm and I'm home for the evening, I might just take some drowsy type meds and just crash early tonight.
And, since I've gotten on the subject - when is *your* next trip down here.
Teri - 09 Mar 2004 01:43 GMT > > I'm a big fan of sudofed - but I agree, it keeps me up at night. If it's > > all in your sinuses how about good old Afrin? Just don't use it much ... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > And, since I've gotten on the subject - when is *your* next trip down here. Well, we were hoping for this spring - but that trip has been postponed in lieu of adenoid/tonsil surgery for my 5yo who did terribly on a sleep study
:-( and has been diagnosed with significant sleep disordered breathing including obstructive sleep apnea and hypopnea. Teri Teri
jayjay - 09 Mar 2004 02:01 GMT > > > I'm a big fan of sudofed - but I agree, it keeps me up at night. If > it's [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Teri > Teri Hey - I had adenoids and tonsils out when I was 5 yrs old... That's a day surgery now, isn't it? I know I was in the hospital for a week or so for recovery - but that was back in the 70's.
Teri - 09 Mar 2004 02:55 GMT > > > > I'm a big fan of sudofed - but I agree, it keeps me up at night. If > > it's [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > surgery now, isn't it? I know I was in the hospital for a week or so for > recovery - but that was back in the 70's. 45min-1 hour ... recovery for 4 hours than home we go :-) ... out of school for a week ... no sports for 2 weeks. Teri
Perple Gyrl - 10 Mar 2004 04:28 GMT It doesn't help a nose that won't stop running but isn't clogged!
"Teri" <teriblahblahblah@blah.com> wrote in message
> I'm a big fan of sudofed - but I agree, it keeps me up at night. If it's > all in your sinuses how about good old Afrin? Just don't use it much ... on > the worst of days, tho' it's wonderful! > Teri Dally - 09 Mar 2004 00:09 GMT >>>I do have to say though - I don't know how allergy sufferers deal with >>>it. I'm miserable. Zyrtec isn't helping either. I can't imagine [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > When is your trip down here this year? April 16th. :-) But we're only there the week-end and then go on a five day cruise all week, back the following week-end for a day or two then we have to head home for a function. I do hate to cut my time in Florida short!!!
> I'll have to give the TS a try. I can't stand benedryl, but > psuedophed gives me the gitters and I have trouble sleeping. Sudafed is in Tylenol Sinus IIRC. Try Afrin, it works too. I like sudafed personally.
Dally
jayjay - 09 Mar 2004 00:18 GMT > April 16th. :-) But we're only there the week-end and then go on a > five day cruise all week, back the following week-end for a day or two > then we have to head home for a function. I do hate to cut my time in > Florida short!!! we may be having a *reception* type function one of those weekends. DH's parents will be in town, and I think my dad will also be in town. DH's SIL wants to have a "party" for us, and I figure it might be best to just wait until then to do it. But, I don't know anything yet because DH's parents don't know what they are doing yet.
> > I'll have to give the TS a try. I can't stand benedryl, but > > psuedophed gives me the gitters and I have trouble sleeping. > > Sudafed is in Tylenol Sinus IIRC. Try Afrin, it works too. I like > sudafed personally. went digging through the medicine cabinet at home and came across a generic "cold" medicine that I just took, had psuedo.. in it, and then I took 1 excedrin PM and I'm sending DS to bed at 8pm. Or I should say, he's getting kicked off the PS2 in my bedroom at 8pm so I can go to bed.
I didn't make it as far back as the afrin, I just grabbed the first thing I could find. I've been sneezing nonstop since I got home.
JMA - 09 Mar 2004 03:28 GMT > I'm all stubbed ub.... > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > it. I'm miserable. Zyrtec isn't helping either. I can't imagine > living like this all the time. I just heard on the news yesterday or recently that allergy season is going to hit everywhere earlier than usual. I hope you find some relief soon and that the knee thing isn't serious.
Jenn
Perple Gyrl - 10 Mar 2004 04:26 GMT I have pretty bad allergies too and they make life pretty miserable at times! I didn't even start having allergy problems until I hit my 30's.
Right now, I can't stop sneezing, my nose is runny, the inside of my ears itch and I have a headache I can't get rid of. I am on Clariton and Duratess and advil. Blech.
Sorry about your knee!
> I'm all stubbed ub.... > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > it. I'm miserable. Zyrtec isn't helping either. I can't imagine > living like this all the time. Carol Frilegh - 10 Mar 2004 10:22 GMT > I have pretty bad allergies too and they make life pretty miserable at > times! I didn't even start having allergy problems until I hit my 30's. Try eliminating grain, soy and sugar from your diet. Check out
http://breakingtheviciouscycle.info/
Although it's adiet for gastric problems. it helped me with allergies. Food, the environment, chemicals and synthetics can add to the moseries of allergy.
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Perple Gyrl - 10 Mar 2004 13:09 GMT Thanks... I'll check out the site!
"Carol Frilegh" <cma@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > Try eliminating grain, soy and sugar from your diet. Check out
> http://breakingtheviciouscycle.info/ > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ****** > There is no substitute for the right food Perple Gyrl - 10 Mar 2004 13:15 GMT BTW, it says the diet is for (cut and pasted):
The Specific Carbohydrate DietT has helped many thousands of people with various forms of bowel disease and other ailments vastly improve their quality of life. In many cases people consider themselves cured. It is a diet intended mainly for Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, celiac disease, diverticulitis, cystic fibrosis and chronic diarrhea.
I don't have any of those problems.... where on the site does it mention seasonal allergies?
> > I have pretty bad allergies too and they make life pretty miserable at > > times! I didn't even start having allergy problems until I hit my 30's. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ****** > There is no substitute for the right food Carol Frilegh - 10 Mar 2004 17:57 GMT > BTW, it says the diet is for (cut and pasted): > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > ****** > > There is no substitute for the right food It may help with food sensitivities. Some symptoms are similar to seasonal allergies:
Example I get a seasonal type reaction to wheat
Perple Gyrl - 11 Mar 2004 00:55 GMT Hmmm... I probably need to go to an allergist to get properly tested. DH has severe and multiple food allergies. I've just never thought that I would have the same problems he has... but I might! I'll see about seeing an allergist soon.. thanks for the idea.
> > BTW, it says the diet is for (cut and pasted): > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Example I get a seasonal type reaction to wheat Carol Frilegh - 11 Mar 2004 11:51 GMT > Hmmm... I probably need to go to an allergist to get properly tested. DH > has severe and multiple food allergies. I've just never thought that I > would have the same problems he has... but I might! I'll see about seeing > an allergist soon.. thanks for the idea. Perple, the tests can be misleading as when the immune system thinks it's under attack it can manifest an allergic reaction to something you are not actually sensitive to.
kepp a food and reaction joirnal for a while to see if reactions are consistent. just a suggestion.
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Perple Gyrl - 11 Mar 2004 13:42 GMT I keep a food journal daily and I eat a wheat bran and soy almost every day. I am going to give it up for a few days and see if I feel better. Thanks!
"Carol Frilegh" <cma@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > Perple, the tests can be misleading as when the immune system thinks
> it's under attack it can manifest an allergic reaction to something you > are not actually sensitive to. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ***** > The Best Man for the Job May Be A Woman Jayjay - 10 Mar 2004 18:33 GMT >BTW, it says the diet is for (cut and pasted): > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I don't have any of those problems.... where on the site does it mention >seasonal allergies? I was on the phone with one of my vendors yesterday and we were commiserating on how poorly we both felt.
He told me that he gave up wheat a few years ago, and has had less of a problem with his pollen/grass allergies. His thoughts were - wheat = grass... He can also tell that when he has wheat, right away his allergy type sypmtoms return.
The rather funny part to the story was - as conjested as I am right now, when he told me he gave up "wheat"... I heard him to say he gave up "Weed"... made for quite the humorous conversation for a bit. :-)
Carol Frilegh - 10 Mar 2004 23:04 GMT > >BTW, it says the diet is for (cut and pasted): > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > now, when he told me he gave up "wheat"... I heard him to say he gave > up "Weed"... made for quite the humorous conversation for a bit. :-) It's case of the kettle calling the grain pot.
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Perple Gyrl - 11 Mar 2004 01:01 GMT I don't really eat wheat bread very often. If I do, I'll eat earthgrains 35 wheat bread maybe 1-2x a week. I do eat Keto lc oatmeal mixed with brad buds about 5x a week. Soy and Whey are leading ingrediants in the Keto low carb oatmeal that I make a part of my morning breakfast. ARG, I hope I don't have allergies to that. I love the taste of the lc oatmeal and just got a delivery of 10 canisters from a shipment online! I've been eating this combination for most of my breakfasts since Christmas.... This is also my 2nd sinus infection since January.
Another possible cause of my sinus infection could be how I spent my weekend. I spent 3 days helping my mother and step dad pack their house in E. Texas to move back to Dallas. Where they live now is very damp and mildewy smelling.... They also live about 1 block from a train relay station, so there are fumes in the air almost constantly. I am also under a tremendous amount of stress from my job and personal obligations. Stress can also reduce the effectiveness of my immune system.
**** (rant begins) On a personal note.... I am in the process of buying and closing on the house they will be moving into in Dallas. I am buying it as an investment property and am going to rent it to them. There is NO WAY that they will be able to sell the house they are in. The trains have reduced the value, plus they have a prepayment penalty AND did a 100% loan with no downpayment/equity. Add to the fact that they owe much more then what it is worth now... I told them just to let the bank take it back and foreclose on it. The train relay station was inoperable when she and my step dad bought the house a year ago. 6 mos later, it opened up. Trains rattle their walls 24/7 sometimes. It greatly upsets me to hear her cough every time I talk to her on the phone. I am doing this because I have to do this... no one else in my family or step dad's family can afford to do this for them. I couldn't live with myself knowing that I could have helped but didn't.
Another horrible thing about the situation is that my step dad just got done going thru chemo in December for level 3 (severe) prostate cancer. He also has diabetes and has some leg issues (nerve damage, can't remember the name of it) because of it. Sooo... add to this equation a great step dad that is in recent remission with cancer that can't sleep and heal properly in the environment he's in. The loan is in his name, so he will not be able to get a loan with a recent forclosure on his credit report. His kids don't have the money or credit to help them either. My mother has crappy credit and could never qualify for a loan on her own. Step dad is 70 and mom is 61.
My sister can't help them either... she is a single parent working her a.s off just to take care of my neice and herself. My sister also rents a house from me that I own!! However, I have a very low balance on it and the payments are cheap. I lived in this house for 9 years before I bought the one I am in 10 mos ago.
I feel proud and happy that I am financially able to do this for my mom and sister. But I am also worried about the the future. I don't want to be stuck with an extra mtg payment if something happens to either of them. I don't see how I have a choice in the matter. I feel like BOA sometimes (Bank of Adela - my name). I need to get insurance and a will set up incase something happens to me so that the houses will be paid for (worse case scenerio).
Stress of getting my commissions up on my newish job (Mortgage banker, paid 100% commission, started in oct 2003) so I can afford to live AND rebuild my dwindling savings. Stress of being the owner of 3 houses.... of trying to get pregnant soon! ARG... it is amazing that I don't have pnemonia. My hubby has been looking for work for months with no luck or opportunities that pay him near what he is worth.
Sorry to rant, I am amazed I haven't gained weight or started smoking again due to all the sh.t I am going thru now. ... I'm taking it out on the weights instead.
(I'll go look up allergists in my plan tomorrow.... If I am allergic to soy, I'll have many unopened canisters of Keto lc oatmeal for sale (lol).)
"Jayjay" <jjf_71@notmail.com> wrote in message
> I was on the phone with one of my vendors yesterday and we were > commiserating on how poorly we both felt. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > now, when he told me he gave up "wheat"... I heard him to say he gave > up "Weed"... made for quite the humorous conversation for a bit. :-) Chris Braun - 11 Mar 2004 02:24 GMT Perple, I'm impressed by your goodness as a daughter and as a sister. And I hope you feel better soon!
Chris
Perple Gyrl - 11 Mar 2004 02:32 GMT Thanks Chris... I left for the gym after I posted that. I couldn't do any cardio, but I did about 30 mins of lower body weights and 20 mins of stretching and ab work. I feel better and less stressed.
I am glad that I am able to help them, but WISH that they did not require help. As I've said, I couldn't live with myself unless I helped them. Besides, it does help having extra tax write-offs since I am commission. They would have done the same for me if the roles were reversed. I guess I get my ability to be financially savy and save money from my dad. I get the dreaming from my mother. The 2 of them should never have been married... reality and fantasy, day and night between them. My step dad is an artist and a dreamer like mom. My step mom is a financial planner and a realist like dad. They are all better matched and I get along wonderfully with my step siblings and parents on both sides.
No wonder I developed a binging eating disorder as a child that I still fight with daily!!
Thanks again... I usually don't like to post things like this about my real life. However, it sometimes helps to get it out and vent.
> Perple, I'm impressed by your goodness as a daughter and as a sister. > And I hope you feel better soon! > > Chris MH - 12 Mar 2004 02:52 GMT > Thanks Chris... I left for the gym after I posted that. I couldn't do any > cardio, but I did about 30 mins of lower body weights and 20 mins of [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Thanks again... I usually don't like to post things like this about my real > life. However, it sometimes helps to get it out and vent. Wow, you're doing such a good thing, Perpyl!
My dad & stepmom are quite well off...more so than I'll ever be. I'm pretty sure I'll never own property; around here condos go for 500k or more.
But, I'm spending my money enjoying myself, anyway. : )
Martha
Perple Gyrl - 12 Mar 2004 04:00 GMT Thanks!
My mom and step dad don't have much money (obviously). My dad and step mom have enough money for retirement, but they are not rich. They own a house near Sacremento and a house in the Bay area that they travel between weekly. I guess they can't be doing that badly... but he never tells me how much he has.
San Fran is quite expensive... How much are apartments? All 3 of my houses put together are worth under 500k. Housing is much cheaper here then where you live I guess.
I am enjoying myself every now and then too!
"MH" <bastzine@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> Wow, you're doing such a good thing, Perpyl! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Martha MH - 13 Mar 2004 00:56 GMT > Thanks! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > put together are worth under 500k. Housing is much cheaper here then where > you live I guess. My studio is $800 a month, and that's considered cheap! If I were to move, I'd have to pay at least $1000 a month. But, there's a tradeoff. We have wonderful weather, food, the most land dedicated to parks and open space, etc., etc.
> I am enjoying myself every now and then too! Cool!
Martha
> "MH" <bastzine@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > > Wow, you're doing such a good thing, Perpyl! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > > Martha JMA - 11 Mar 2004 03:52 GMT > Sorry to rant, I am amazed I haven't gained weight or started smoking again > due to all the sh.t I am going thru now. ... I'm taking it out on the > weights instead. There's something to be happy about in all of this - using something other than food to relieve stress and you definitely have a lot of stress. I was in a similar situation with my father and could very well end up there again. DH and I have already set things up financially so that we can help take care of him if necessary without us losing our house if something happened to one of us. I also have a trust fund set up for my nephews and niece to help them with college since my brother told us that they weren't thinking about it since the kids probably wouldn't go anyway - this was when the oldest was 5.
You have a lot on your plate and seem to be dealing with it. You know we're all here for ya!
Jenn
Perple Gyrl - 11 Mar 2004 03:13 GMT "JMA" <bjenniferb@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> There's something to be happy about in all of this - using something other > than food to relieve stress and you definitely have a lot of stress. I was > in a similar situation with my father and could very well end up there > again. DH and I have already set things up financially so that we can help > take care of him if necessary without us losing our house if something > happened to one of us. ***That is a good idea. If you don't mind, could you email me some ideas on how to do that. I was thinking about doing the same for mom.
I also have a trust fund set up for my nephews and
> niece to help them with college since my brother told us that they weren't > thinking about it since the kids probably wouldn't go anyway - this was when > the oldest was 5. ***Geez that is terrible!!! What do you think of that new 529 plan? I was thinking about doing the same for my neice (who is 3 now). It could put money in a fund for her college AND it offers a new tax deduction for me. It would kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
> You have a lot on your plate and seem to be dealing with it. You know we're > all here for ya! ***For the most part I am dealing with it. There was 1 morning this weekend... where I found myself at that continental breakfast bar at the hotel while hubby was in the shower. I didn't even think 2x, but I wound up eating a few pastries. I felt sick for the rest of the day and very disappointed with myself. I am doing better then I would have done a year ago... but I still slip every now and then. It didn't help during this trip that my mom and step dad live in hickville usa with 2 restaurants... Jennys fried chicken and Elijah's (greasy spoon) cafe. My mom's current kitchen is basically non-functional and I would up trying to pick out healthy food at these restaurants.
I got back on track Sunday morning on my way back. I drank about four 20 oz bottles of water during my 6 hour drive. Hubby didn't complain much when I had to stop every hour to pee. I drank more when I got home AND went to gym to work out hard and did over an hour of hard elliptical cardio.
> Jenn jmk - 11 Mar 2004 13:18 GMT > I don't really eat wheat bread very often. If I do, I'll eat earthgrains 35 > wheat bread maybe 1-2x a week. I do eat Keto lc oatmeal mixed with brad [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > this combination for most of my breakfasts since Christmas.... This is also > my 2nd sinus infection since January. Take care of yourself!
> Another possible cause of my sinus infection could be how I spent my > weekend. I spent 3 days helping my mother and step dad pack their house in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > **** (rant begins) Hang in there Perple! You are doing a lot of people a lot of good (and today is Thursday so we are closer to the next weekend than the previous one!)
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Perple Gyrl - 11 Mar 2004 13:42 GMT Thank you!!
> > I don't really eat wheat bread very often. If I do, I'll eat earthgrains 35 > > wheat bread maybe 1-2x a week. I do eat Keto lc oatmeal mixed with brad [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > -- > jmk in NC Beverly - 11 Mar 2004 14:46 GMT (some snipping)
> Another possible cause of my sinus infection could be how I spent my > weekend. I spent 3 days helping my mother and step dad pack their house in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > tremendous amount of stress from my job and personal obligations. Stress > can also reduce the effectiveness of my immune system. Mildew will set my sinus problems off everytime. I'm fighting a sinus infection myself but this one was triggered from flying and climate change. Everytime I fly my sinus problems flare up. It's one of the reasons I avoid flying.
Hopefully you'll get your mom and stepdad settled in the new place and things will begin to calm down for you. I think it's great you're able and willing to help them.
Beverly
Perple Gyrl - 12 Mar 2004 04:03 GMT Thanks... I hope you get to feeling better too!
I was completely wheat and soy free today, and I plan to not have anymore for a few days to see if it helps me feel better. I bought some spelt wheat/yeast free bread, whey protein shake powder and oat bran hot cereal from Whole Foods tonight. I was in a keto and bran buds rut for 3 mos now!
"Beverly" <Beverly.Owens@work.com> wrote in message
> Mildew will set my sinus problems off everytime. I'm fighting a sinus > infection myself but this one was triggered from flying and climate change. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Beverly Doug Freyburger - 12 Mar 2004 21:29 GMT > I was completely wheat and soy free today, and I plan to not have anymore > for a few days to see if it helps me feel better. The first time I detoxed from wheat it two two weeks for all of the symptoms to go away. A few days aren't enough.
> I bought some spelt wheat/yeast free bread Unfortunately spelt is wheat according to my alergic reactions. Be cautioned that it will prevent you from detoxing if wheat is the source of the problem.
> whey protein shake powder and oat bran hot cereal > from Whole Foods tonight. Good stuff if it's only wheat you have a problem with. Some have a problem with gluten more generally versus wheat more specifically, and oat has a small amount of gluten.
Perple Gyrl - 13 Mar 2004 00:13 GMT > > I was completely wheat and soy free today, and I plan to not have anymore > > for a few days to see if it helps me feel better. > > The first time I detoxed from wheat it two two weeks for all of the > symptoms to go away. A few days aren't enough. **Thank I'll keep that in mind!
> > I bought some spelt wheat/yeast free bread > > Unfortunately spelt is wheat according to my alergic reactions. Be > cautioned that it will prevent you from detoxing if wheat is the > source of the problem. **The package says Wheat free on it... what is the difference between spelt bread and wheat bread? I had a piece this morning and it was great.
> > whey protein shake powder and oat bran hot cereal > > from Whole Foods tonight. > > Good stuff if it's only wheat you have a problem with. Some have a > problem with gluten more generally versus wheat more specifically, > and oat has a small amount of gluten. **After I get better, I am going to an allergist. My hubby told me that I will have to do the allergy testing over a 4-5 day period so that I don't start showing allergic reactions to everything. He said that they can only test for about 30-50 allergies at once to get the best results. He's has more food allergies then you can imagine and gets tested yearly.
Doug Freyburger - 15 Mar 2004 16:09 GMT > > > I bought some spelt wheat/yeast free bread > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > **The package says Wheat free on it... what is the difference between spelt > bread and wheat bread? Spelt is less-domesticated wheat.
Think of dogs and wolves. If a pet store were to sell a wolf, they could validly put a "dog-free" label on the wolf in some views. But if you are alergic to dog hair, does it really make sense to buy that wolf and assume you won't sneeze at its hair? Wolves are mostly-undomesticated dogs to a very great extent. Wolves and dogs can interbreed and produce viable offspring so they are nearly the same species (unlike horses and donkeys).
Dog is to wolf as wheat is to spelt. That describes both the differences and the similarities nicely.
Companies love to serach for an excuse to put a cool sounding logo on their labels. Doesn't make the logos actually correct.
So it will depend on your body's specific wheat alergy. If what you're intolerant of is something recently bred into wheat, you're good to eat spelt. Whatever it is in wheat I'm intolerant of is common to wheat from back before it was domesticated, so I react to spelt-breed less-domesticated wheat the same as I am to durham-breed more-domesticated wheat.
Perple Gyrl - 16 Mar 2004 14:16 GMT "Doug Freyburger" <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > **The package says Wheat free on it... what is the difference between spelt > > bread and wheat bread? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > less-domesticated wheat the same as I am to durham-breed > more-domesticated wheat. That would be so difficult to figure out! I'll just try out the "avoid conventional wheat flour and soy" and see what happens! Thanks for explaining this to me... Is there any brand or type of bread that is wheat free completely that you could recommend? I don't eat bread a lot... just 1 piece 3-4x a week.
Doug Freyburger - 16 Mar 2004 23:53 GMT > > Whatever it is in wheat I'm intolerant of is common to wheat > > from back before it was domesticated, so I react to spelt-breed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Is there any brand or type of bread that is wheat > free completely that you could recommend? I don't eat enough bread to be able to recommend a brand. Being allergic to wheat gives me this negative attitude towards eating grass. I have to be in a serious moo-cow mode to want bread. I'm also a low carber on maintenance so if I invest in some bread the rest of the day has less veggies, so I don't do that often.
I go to German delis and they have German or Dutch stuff made from 100% rye kernels, sometimes with some corn or linseed. Extremely heavy, and it has gluten so it depends on your reaction. Like a black cube double wrapped in clear plastic with assorted colored labels.
I go to the occasional health food place and look for products labelled "wheat free" and then check the label for the spelt trick. In my freezer now is some millet bread, but it has been in there months and I've only had half of it so far.
In Seattle there was a brand named Ener-G that produced a lot of wheat-free baked goods. Some of them like dust, others pretty good.
Perple Gyrl - 17 Mar 2004 05:51 GMT Thank you very much for the suggestions... I will watch for better alternatives!
"Doug Freyburger" <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> I go to German delis and they have German or Dutch stuff made from 100% > rye kernels, sometimes with some corn or linseed. Extremely heavy, and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > In Seattle there was a brand named Ener-G that produced a lot of wheat-free > baked goods. Some of them like dust, others pretty good. Doug Freyburger - 17 Mar 2004 15:57 GMT > Thank you very much for the suggestions... I will watch for better > alternatives! Being in the maintenance phase with a CCLM of 100, I don't bother with low carb brands. Two reasons:
1) I have yet to find a low carb bread that is wheat free. Being wheat allergic, that's an automatic no-go for me.
2) Having a CCLM of 100 I have plenty of carbs to work with. I completely ignored all bread of all types until I had the quota to spare to be able to have some of the non-low-carb types.
Early on I *really* wanted bread, but Dr A's advice to avoid grain and eat real veggies and meat kept ringing in my head. His process is so very anti-obvious, but it was working so well I just took it on faith and followed the grain avoidance part, too, until I hit that step in adding back risks that it was time to try it. When it turned out wheat is what gave me a chronic cough and chainsaw snoring and such, my attitude towards bread changed with this huge *snap*. If it has wheat I don't want it and I don't miss it because I don't want and don't miss the coughing, snoring, etc. The change when I linked wheat to what it was doing to my was amazing.
Perple Gyrl - 18 Mar 2004 03:14 GMT I am glad that you discovered that it was a trigger for you. However, I just about never cough when I am not sick with sinusitis. My snoring has also cut down a bunch since my neck got thinner. I have an appt with an allergist for a consultation next week!
"Doug Freyburger" <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> turned out wheat is what gave me a chronic cough and chainsaw > snoring and such, my attitude towards bread changed with this huge > *snap*. If it has wheat I don't want it and I don't miss it because > I don't want and don't miss the coughing, snoring, etc. The change > when I linked wheat to what it was doing to my was amazing.
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