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kitznegari thinks it has wings - 15 Mar 2004 02:47 GMT i just joined a gym and have been working out quite a bit lately (i previously was used to working out a good bit though at my martial arts school, so i'm used to the activity, it's not a new thing). i've been there 13 times in the last 17 days doing half hour stretches on the ski machine. and for the first time in my life my eating habits have been GREAT (except for the occassional cheat, but that's only been on fridays at work "pizza day"). i've given up chocolate, fast food and a good deal of the soda i used to put into myself in a day.
i gained 6 pounds in the last 2 1/2 weeks.
:( i started off with only about 15 pounds to lose. i am angry.
someone say something that will make me feel better. i really don't want to become demotivated here.
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Ignoramus10317 - 15 Mar 2004 03:13 GMT Are you a female, and if so, when is your period due.
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> i just joined a gym and have been working out quite a bit lately (i previously > was used to working out a good bit though at my martial arts school, so i'm [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > "that's me in the corner..." > http://spinning_plates.tripod.com kitznegari thinks it has wings - 15 Mar 2004 03:24 GMT >Are you a female, and if so, when is your period due. i am, and it's not due for 3 weeks.
i HAVE noticed that i gain a good bit right before my period, but it's always gone again two days later. so i don't let that bother me.
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Ignoramus10317 - 15 Mar 2004 03:34 GMT >>Are you a female, and if so, when is your period due. > > i am, and it's not due for 3 weeks. > > i HAVE noticed that i gain a good bit right before my period, but it's always > gone again two days later. so i don't let that bother me. could it be that you eat too much, or that you ate something salty, or that you did not weigh the first time under the same conditions as the second time?
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kitznegari thinks it has wings - 15 Mar 2004 04:05 GMT >could it be that you eat too much, or that you ate something salty, or >that you did not weigh the first time under the same conditions as the >second time? i weigh all the time, too much probably... so i don't think that's part of it. and my eating habits have been great, so i don't really get it :(
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Ignoramus10317 - 15 Mar 2004 04:25 GMT >>could it be that you eat too much, or that you ate something salty, or >>that you did not weigh the first time under the same conditions as the >>second time? > > i weigh all the time, too much probably... so i don't think that's part of it. > and my eating habits have been great, so i don't really get it :( So, you do not feel like you were overeating a lot, right? it takes alot of food to gain 6 lbs of fat.
Keep recording your weight, maybe create an excel spreadsheet with a running average. Maybe it will go away in a few days.
I would not give the theory that you gained a lot of muscle in a few days, much credence. Some people say that you gain some glycogen when you start exercising, although it is not likely to account for all 6 lbs.
keep using fitday, what does it say as far as how many cals you ate?
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alien - 15 Mar 2004 04:36 GMT > So, you do not feel like you were overeating a lot, right? it takes > alot of food to gain 6 lbs of fat. I agree. This is why I lean towards water weight.
Just keep focused and keep with your healthy lifestyle. Numbers will always jump around here and there.
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The Queen of Cans and Jars - 15 Mar 2004 15:02 GMT > my eating habits have been great what does that actually mean, though? are you weighing and measuring? are you counting calories? what are you eating? what are you drinking?
kitznegari thinks it has wings - 16 Mar 2004 01:37 GMT >what does that actually mean, though? are you weighing and measuring? >are you counting calories? what are you eating? what are you drinking? my eating habits tend to look like this:
breakfast - bagel with light butter snack - little bag of animal crackers + soda lunch - bagel with butter again, or tuna + 6 crackers snack - two teeny little bite sized chocolate bars from my boss' candy dish + soda dinner - either a small meat, veggie and small serving of potatoes sort of thing or a nutritional fruit smoothie (about every other day)
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The Queen of Cans and Jars - 16 Mar 2004 02:15 GMT > >what does that actually mean, though? are you weighing and measuring? > >are you counting calories? what are you eating? what are you drinking? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > dinner - either a small meat, veggie and small serving of potatoes sort of > thing or a nutritional fruit smoothie (about every other day) i'm sorry, but those don't sound like good eating habits at all. animal crackers? candy? two bagels in one day?
more veggies, more protein, more good fats. less junk food.
Perple Gyrl - 16 Mar 2004 05:12 GMT More water and less soda too. Depending on the brand of bagels, They can have up to 450 calories each.
"The Queen of Cans and Jars" <dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet> wrote in
> i'm sorry, but those don't sound like good eating habits at all. animal > crackers? candy? two bagels in one day? > > more veggies, more protein, more good fats. less junk food. Chris Braun - 16 Mar 2004 02:51 GMT >>what does that actually mean, though? are you weighing and measuring? >>are you counting calories? what are you eating? what are you drinking? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >"that's me in the corner..." >http://spinning_plates.tripod.com This is a relatively small amount of food, but it isn't a very good diet. Bagels are pretty high in calories and don't offer a whole lot of nutritional bang for the buck. Are the sodas diet or regular? Regular soda is nothing but sugar. Crackers, animal crackers, and chocolate bars are also pretty much empty calories. Your dinner sounds okay, at least on the days you eat meat and veggies. Didn't you say you're using fitday? Your protein intake is very low, and I don't think you could be getting enough vitamins. You need to focus more on healthy proteins -- fish, poultry, lean meat, eggs -- and on fruit and veggies. Your carbs should be healthy ones like whole grain breads and cereals, not bagels and animal crackers. And, particularly if you're drinking regular soda, you're getting too much sugar.
You can lose weight eating a low enough calorie diet, regardless of nutritional content, but you'll probably feel better, more satisfied, and able to stick to your diet better if you try to move toward healthier choices.
Chris 262/157/ (holding in 152-165 weight class)
Chris
kitznegari thinks it has wings - 16 Mar 2004 04:25 GMT Chris said:
>This is a relatively small amount of food, but it isn't a very good >diet. Bagels are pretty high in calories and don't offer a whole lot >of nutritional bang for the buck. the ones i eat are less than 300 calories each.
>Are the sodas diet or regular? regular. i need to change that.
>Regular soda is nothing but sugar. Crackers, animal crackers, and >chocolate bars are also pretty much empty calories. yep. but compared to the amount of empty calories that i USED to take in
Your dinner
>sounds okay, at least on the days you eat meat and veggies. but the other days are imporant, i think, because i have to eat late in the day... like 7 or 8 pm because that's when i get home from work... and i NEVER have time to eat fruit... so i drink a smoothie (300 calories, 100% fruit) and feel better.
>Didn't >you say you're using fitday? am not using a plan. have no money + want to just flat out change my lifestyle instead of doing a gimmicky sort of thing for a few months.
>Your protein intake is very low, have actually been trying to go vegetarian for a long time... that's also part of why i do the smoothies. nutritional supplements and all that.
and I
>don't think you could be getting enough vitamins. most assuredly not.
You need to focus
>more on healthy proteins -- fish, poultry, lean meat, eggs -- and on >fruit and veggies. you're right.
Your carbs should be healthy ones like whole grain
>breads and cereals, not bagels and animal crackers. And, particularly >if you're drinking regular soda, you're getting too much sugar. i do need to cut out the sugar. that is my ultimate downfall.
>You can lose weight eating a low enough calorie diet, regardless of >nutritional content, but you'll probably feel better, more satisfied, >and able to stick to your diet better if you try to move toward >healthier choices. yep.
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jmk - 16 Mar 2004 13:30 GMT > Chris said: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > have time to eat fruit... so i drink a smoothie (300 calories, 100% fruit) and > feel better. I don't know about most people but I can wash and eat an apple faster than I can make a smoothie. Heck, I can probably was and cut up some broccoli faster than I can make a smoothie :-)
>>Didn't >>you say you're using fitday? > > am not using a plan. have no money + want to just flat out change my lifestyle > instead of doing a gimmicky sort of thing for a few months. Fitday is not a plan, it is a computer program on fitday.com that allows you to track calories. It is free to use.
>>Your protein intake is very low, > > have actually been trying to go vegetarian for a long time... that's also part > of why i do the smoothies. nutritional supplements and all that. Vegetarians eat protein, they don't eat meat and other -- depending on the type of vegetarian -- might not eat animal products (like dairy or eggs).
> and I > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > "that's me in the corner..." > http://spinning_plates.tripod.com
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MH - 16 Mar 2004 14:31 GMT > Your dinner > >sounds okay, at least on the days you eat meat and veggies. > > but the other days are imporant, i think, because i have to eat late in the > day... like 7 or 8 pm because that's when i get home from work... and i NEVER
> have time to eat fruit... Yes you do. Eating a banana or apple doesn't take long at all.
so i drink a smoothie (300 calories, 100% fruit) and
> feel better. And making a smoothie takes less time than just eating a banana???
> >Didn't > >you say you're using fitday? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > have actually been trying to go vegetarian for a long time... that's also part > of why i do the smoothies. nutritional supplements and all that. You can be a vegetarian and get enough protein. Eat beans, brown rice, tofu, whole grains, cheese, etc.
Martha
alien - 16 Mar 2004 14:42 GMT >>This is a relatively small amount of food, but it isn't a very good >>diet. Bagels are pretty high in calories and don't offer a whole lot >>of nutritional bang for the buck. > > the ones i eat are less than 300 calories each. Maybe you could try some whole grain hot cereal?
>>Are the sodas diet or regular? > > regular. i need to change that. Yep. I would drop them all together.
>>Regular soda is nothing but sugar. Crackers, animal crackers, and >>chocolate bars are also pretty much empty calories. > > yep. but compared to the amount of empty calories that i USED to take > in You have to remember you are committing to a lifestyle change. So now isnt the time to compare your daily diet to your *used to* intake. If I did that I could take in 3000 cals a day of soda and chips and still be eating less than I *used to*. :) THose numbers will steadily fall then slowly level out. You'll find the math quite easy after a few months.
> but the other days are imporant, i think, because i have to eat late > in the day... like 7 or 8 pm because that's when i get home from > work... and i NEVER have time to eat fruit... so i drink a smoothie > (300 calories, 100% fruit) and feel better. No time to eat fruit? HHmmmmmmmmm! I can wolf down an apple and an orange in less than 2 minutes. ;)
>>Didn't >>you say you're using fitday? > > am not using a plan. have no money + want to just flat out change my > lifestyle instead of doing a gimmicky sort of thing for a few months. Keeping track of your caloric and nutritional intake is by no means gimmicky. I have been doing it for over a year and it is no more of a problem now than it was then. I use an offline program and it takes me less than 5 minutes to log my food for the day. The weather segment of the news takes that much time. Anyone and I mean ANYONE has 5 minutes to spare to a more healthy lifestyle. If they don't....then....well, I won't open those can of worms.
>>Your protein intake is very low, > > have actually been trying to go vegetarian for a long time... that's > also part of why i do the smoothies. nutritional supplements and all > that. I was a simi vegetarian for a while. You can get great protien and fiber from beans! Pinto,kidney,lima,garbonza, ect... If you eat dairy try cottage cheese. It can have up to 15g of protien per 1/2 cup serving!
> You need to focus >>more on healthy proteins -- fish, poultry, lean meat, eggs -- and on >>fruit and veggies. I agree with this but as I also stated above. Those are not the only sources of good protien if you dont like meat. Bottom line is, there is no reason not to get enough good protien in your diet. On another note my diet consist heavily on fish and dry beans and find it easy to get over 140g of protien on any given day.
> Your carbs should be healthy ones like whole grain >>breads and cereals, not bagels and animal crackers. And, particularly >>if you're drinking regular soda, you're getting too much sugar. > > i do need to cut out the sugar. that is my ultimate downfall. Yep and this can and will stall out anyone trying to lose fat.
 Signature JP. 153 lbs gone forever!! --------------- starting 365 current 212 goal 200 hieght 6'3" 27 male
NC In Da House ---------------
alien - 15 Mar 2004 03:26 GMT > i just joined a gym and have been working out quite a bit lately (i > previously was used to working out a good bit though at my martial [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > someone say something that will make me feel better. i really don't > want to become demotivated here. So many factors to concider. First off, congrats on your new lifestyle change. You may want to try and log your food for a week if you don't already. You are working out more and may be eating more too. ((You can still gain weight eating only healthy foods. It's a bummer but all true)) Are you weighing everyday? If you obtained your starting numbers in the morning and them obtained your ending number 2 weeks later in the after noon you may have also weighed your food and water intake for that day. My weight is always more in the afternoon. Sometimes by a bit more indeed. Some may say it's muscle gain,but you just dont gain 6 pounds of muscle in 2 weeks. If you are logging your food carefully and honestly, it may just be water weight. If you are weighing everyday and still gaining slowly you may want to concider backing your calorie intake down a few hundred cals for a week or so and see how you do. Now ask yourself how you feel? Are your clothes fitting better? The scales are a good tool for people who have a lot to lose. Say 40+ lbs. The scale may not be too good a tool if you only have to lose 15 or so pounds. ((just my opinion)) Get yourself a good cloth measuring tape and take measurments from various spots over your body and then take them again in a few weeks.((while logging your food everyday...make it a habit))
 Signature JP. 153 lbs gone forever!! --------------- starting 365 current 212 goal 200 hieght 6'3" 27 male
NC In Da House ---------------
kitznegari thinks it has wings - 15 Mar 2004 04:04 GMT > You may want to try and log your food for a week if you don't >already. yep. am doing that too. have always thought that it was a better way to keep me from going overboard if i actually had to write it down afterwards, lol.
> Are you weighing everyday? yeah. am obsessed with my scale. it may be unhealthy and preventing me from getting anywhere.
>If you obtained your starting numbers in the > morning and them obtained your ending number 2 weeks later in the after > noon you may have also weighed your food and water intake for that day. well, i tend to weigh as soon as i get up and before i go to bed. just to get an average.
>Now ask yourself how you feel? better as far as the exercising goes.
>Are your clothes fitting better? bout the same, i think.
>The > scale may not be too good a tool if you only have to lose 15 or so > pounds. ((just my opinion)) you may be right.
>Get yourself a good cloth measuring tape > and take measurments from various spots over your body and then take > them again in a few weeks. that sounds like a good idea.
thanks :)
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kitznegari thinks it has wings - 15 Mar 2004 04:04 GMT btw, how much muscle weight CAN you gain in two weeks? can't seem to find any info on that sort of a thing.
thanks again :)
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Paul - 15 Mar 2004 05:27 GMT You da man alien! Except I passed you and am at 207...lol. Take care NC
Paul
> > i just joined a gym and have been working out quite a bit lately (i > > previously was used to working out a good bit though at my martial [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > them again in a few weeks.((while logging your food everyday...make it > a habit)) Paul - 15 Mar 2004 05:48 GMT Hi Kitznegari,
I too just started going to the gym about a week or two ago. Now I have a handicap with my left leg and right foot, but I manage to walk 4 miles a day and spend a hour on the elliptical machine at least five times a week. This week I walked 24 miles and spent 6 hours on the elliptical machine. I started at 300 pounds last August and am now 207. I attribute my loss to eating healthy, proper portions, and exercise.
If I were you I would weight yourself the same time everyday, either in the morning after peeing or after you workout. If you weight yourself once in the morning and then the next day at night, you could see an easy 6 to 9 pound difference. I love pizza too and treat myself once every 2 to 3 weeks, and we order a thin crust, Pizza Hut veggie pizza and I eat 3 to 5 slices and it really doesn't affect me at all, except for a little guilt. Since I've changed my daily dieting to healthy foods though, I don't crave junk food.
I've never used a ski machine and am curious if it is a good exercise machine. When I say good I mean does it make you sweat, get your heart beating? If so keep it up, if not you might want to get on an elliptical or stairclimber. You definitely won't gain 6 pounds of muscle in 2.5 weeks and I doubt you'll gain that much fat if your eating good and exercising, so I'd say you just have water weight now.
Don't get unmotivated that's the last thing you need to do. We all get to sticking points, plateaus, and such. I've even noticed the gains like you, but I quickly realized this was due to weighing in at different times of the day or after drinking a lot of fluids.
I'm glad your exercising and eating healthy. Try to stick to thin crust veggie pizza if you can on your Fridays and limit the quantity too.
Take care,
Paul 300/207/175
> i just joined a gym and have been working out quite a bit lately (i previously > was used to working out a good bit though at my martial arts school, so i'm [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > "that's me in the corner..." > http://spinning_plates.tripod.com kitznegari thinks it has wings - 16 Mar 2004 01:33 GMT >I've never used a ski machine and am curious if it is a good exercise >machine. When I say good I mean does it make you sweat, get your heart >beating? my heartrate can get up to 160 and i won't break a sweat... i am very strange that way. but i do get nice and clammy while i'm working out anyway, most of the time. i spend almost the whole workout with my heartrate between 154-161, which, as i understand it, is what it should be while a person my age is working out.
>If so keep it up, if not you might want to get on an elliptical or >stairclimber. those stairclimbers look like an assasination attempt. no kidding. the bally's i work out at has them positioned directly in front of the ski machines and i never see anyone last longer than 10 minutes on them... i got on one myself and got on to about 7 minutes before i threw in the towel. of course, i'd already put in about 25 minutes on a ski machine, but you see what i'm getting at. wow.
they're probably the least-loved machines at my gym, lol.
>You definitely won't gain 6 pounds of muscle in 2.5 weeks and >I doubt you'll gain that much fat if your eating good and exercising, so I'd >say you just have water weight now. well, like i said in the other thread... after weighing myself on a different scale (ie, at my mum's house) i determined that it is my SCALE that is bogus. i've gained only 2 pounds.
so i feel a bit better.
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Doug Freyburger - 16 Mar 2004 00:05 GMT > i just joined a gym and have been working out quite a bit lately ... > i gained 6 pounds in the last 2 1/2 weeks. When a low carber starts a new exercise plan, the muscles try to hoard carbs for the next workout. Carbs are stored in water. Bingo instant water retention. Do NOT play hurtfull self inflicted mind games with yourself calling this fat. It is not. In time the muscles get used to the load, stop hoarding carbs, and release the water. Diufferent people, different length of time.
> :( No anti-smileys. What you experienced is expected, common, and successfull.
Chris Braun - 16 Mar 2004 02:53 GMT >> i just joined a gym and have been working out quite a bit lately ... >> i gained 6 pounds in the last 2 1/2 weeks. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >No anti-smileys. What you experienced is expected, common, and >successfull. I don't think she's a low carber. Did you see the post with a typical day's diet? It includes bagels, animal crackers, chocolate candy, potatoes, and soda.
Chris (not a low carber either, but I don't eat like that) 262/157/ (holding in 152-165 weight class)
kitznegari thinks it has wings - 16 Mar 2004 05:26 GMT >I don't think she's a low carber. never.
>Did you see the post with a typical >day's diet? It includes bagels, animal crackers, chocolate candy, >potatoes, and soda. okay, i think you're overblowing it a bit.
>Chris (not a low carber either, but I don't eat like that) *rolls her eyes*
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Chris Braun - 16 Mar 2004 05:58 GMT >>I don't think she's a low carber. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >okay, i think you're overblowing it a bit. How so? This is all stuff you said you ate in a typical day. In what way am I exaggerating? I'm assuming you are not trying to eat a low carb diet, are you? The post I was replying to assumed you were.
>>Chris (not a low carber either, but I don't eat like that) > >*rolls her eyes* Why so? Just the truth. I just meant to make the point that I wasn't objecting to you not following a low-carb diet per se, but rather to your particular food choices.
I eat just about anything on occasion. (Well, I don't really ever drink regular soda, and I don't have much interest in animal crackers.) But my average day has far more protein and far less sugar.
Chris
J.J. in WA State - 16 Mar 2004 18:28 GMT Hark! I heard Chris Braun <braun_chris@mindspring.com> say:
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> I eat just about anything on occasion. (Well, I don't really ever > drink regular soda, and I don't have much interest in animal > crackers.) But my average day has far more protein and far less > sugar. It's so easy to let sugar sneak up on you (not *you*, Chris, but "you" in the general sense). Regular soda is definitely a culprit, but has anyone read the label on those pre-made "smoothies" (Dannon, for instance)? Something like 49g of sugar, yet they market them as being a good, quick breakfast; it's disgusting!
Okay, end rant; time to go have my low fat/low sugar yogurt with All Bran... :-)
Chris Braun - 17 Mar 2004 03:20 GMT >Regular soda is definitely a culprit, but has >anyone read the label on those pre-made "smoothies" (Dannon, for >instance)? Something like 49g of sugar, yet they market them as being >a good, quick breakfast; it's disgusting! Yeah, they're pretty amazing. I never buy anything without reading labels, and there are many things I just put back down in the supermarket. This is one of them.
Chris
That T Woman - 16 Mar 2004 16:56 GMT > >I don't think she's a low carber. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > "that's me in the corner..." > http://spinning_plates.tripod.com Well, eye rolling isn't form of exercise that'll burn a lot of calories. I thought you and most folks post here to get honest feedback about your diet and advice on how to improve it. Obviously, if you're not losing weight because you're eating junk food and be fair - animal crackers, chocolate candy and soda are **JUNK** food, you have to change that. Bagels and potatoes have more carbs and calories than a lot folks around here are willing to make room for in their WOE. Part of the problem with potatoes is that they play havoc with the blood sugar levels. They cause a big spike up in it followed by a huge drop. That causes me and a lot of people to get hungry and grumpy. I thought I had bookmarked a site with the glycemic index of food but I couldn't find it. Do a google and read up on it. Even if you don't go low carb or go vegetarian, this is good info to be aware of.
Tonia
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