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kitznegari thinks it has wings - 15 Mar 2004 02:47 GMT
i just joined a gym and have been working out quite a bit lately (i previously
was used to working out a good bit though at my martial arts school, so i'm
used to the activity, it's not a new thing).  i've been there 13 times in the
last 17 days doing half hour stretches on the ski machine.  and for the first
time in my life my eating habits have been GREAT (except for the occassional
cheat, but that's only been on fridays at work "pizza day").  i've given up
chocolate, fast food and a good deal of the soda i used to put into myself in a
day.

i gained 6 pounds in the last 2 1/2 weeks.

:(

i started off with only about 15 pounds to lose.  i am angry.

someone say something that will make me feel better.  i really don't want to
become demotivated here.

- k i t z -
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Ignoramus10317 - 15 Mar 2004 03:13 GMT
Are you a female, and if so, when is your period due.

i

> i just joined a gym and have been working out quite a bit lately (i previously
> was used to working out a good bit though at my martial arts school, so i'm
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> "that's me in the corner..."
> http://spinning_plates.tripod.com
kitznegari thinks it has wings - 15 Mar 2004 03:24 GMT
>Are you a female, and if so, when is your period due.

i am, and it's not due for 3 weeks.

i HAVE noticed that i gain a good bit right before my period, but it's always
gone again two days later.  so i don't let that bother me.

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Ignoramus10317 - 15 Mar 2004 03:34 GMT
>>Are you a female, and if so, when is your period due.
>
> i am, and it's not due for 3 weeks.
>
> i HAVE noticed that i gain a good bit right before my period, but it's always
> gone again two days later.  so i don't let that bother me.

could it be that you eat too much, or that you ate something salty, or
that you did not weigh the first time under the same conditions as the
second time?

i
kitznegari thinks it has wings - 15 Mar 2004 04:05 GMT
>could it be that you eat too much, or that you ate something salty, or
>that you did not weigh the first time under the same conditions as the
>second time?

i weigh all the time, too much probably... so i don't think that's part of it.
and my eating habits have been great, so i don't really get it :(

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Ignoramus10317 - 15 Mar 2004 04:25 GMT
>>could it be that you eat too much, or that you ate something salty, or
>>that you did not weigh the first time under the same conditions as the
>>second time?
>
> i weigh all the time, too much probably... so i don't think that's part of it.
> and my eating habits have been great, so i don't really get it :(

So, you do not feel like you were overeating a lot, right? it takes
alot of food to gain 6 lbs of fat.

Keep recording your weight, maybe create an excel spreadsheet with a
running average. Maybe it will go away in a few days.

I would not give the theory that you gained a lot of muscle in a few
days, much credence. Some people say that you gain some glycogen when
you start exercising, although it is not likely to account for all 6
lbs.

keep using fitday, what does it say as far as how many cals you ate?

i
alien - 15 Mar 2004 04:36 GMT
> So, you do not feel like you were overeating a lot, right? it takes
> alot of food to gain 6 lbs of fat.

I agree. This is why I lean towards water weight.

Just keep focused and keep with your healthy lifestyle. Numbers will
always jump around here and there.

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The Queen of Cans and Jars - 15 Mar 2004 15:02 GMT
> my eating habits have been great

what does that actually mean, though?  are you weighing and measuring?
are you counting calories?  what are you eating?  what are you drinking?
kitznegari thinks it has wings - 16 Mar 2004 01:37 GMT
>what does that actually mean, though?  are you weighing and measuring?
>are you counting calories?  what are you eating?  what are you drinking?

my eating habits tend to look like this:

breakfast - bagel with light butter
snack - little bag of animal crackers + soda
lunch - bagel with butter again, or tuna + 6 crackers
snack - two teeny little bite sized chocolate bars from my boss' candy dish +
soda
dinner - either a small meat, veggie and small serving of potatoes sort of
thing or a nutritional fruit smoothie (about every other day)

- k i t z -
"that's me in the corner..."
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The Queen of Cans and Jars - 16 Mar 2004 02:15 GMT
> >what does that actually mean, though?  are you weighing and measuring?
> >are you counting calories?  what are you eating?  what are you drinking?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> dinner - either a small meat, veggie and small serving of potatoes sort of
> thing or a nutritional fruit smoothie (about every other day)

i'm sorry, but those don't sound like good eating habits at all.  animal
crackers?  candy?  two bagels in one day?

more veggies, more protein, more good fats.  less junk food.
Perple Gyrl - 16 Mar 2004 05:12 GMT
More water and less soda too.  Depending on the brand of bagels, They can
have up to 450 calories each.

"The Queen of Cans and Jars" <dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet> wrote in

> i'm sorry, but those don't sound like good eating habits at all.  animal
> crackers?  candy?  two bagels in one day?
>
> more veggies, more protein, more good fats.  less junk food.
Chris Braun - 16 Mar 2004 02:51 GMT
>>what does that actually mean, though?  are you weighing and measuring?
>>are you counting calories?  what are you eating?  what are you drinking?
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>"that's me in the corner..."
>http://spinning_plates.tripod.com

This is a relatively small amount of food, but it isn't a very good
diet.  Bagels are pretty high in calories and don't offer a whole lot
of nutritional bang for the buck.  Are the sodas diet or regular?
Regular soda is nothing but sugar.  Crackers, animal crackers, and
chocolate bars are also pretty much empty calories.  Your dinner
sounds okay, at least on the days you eat meat and veggies.  Didn't
you say you're using fitday?  Your protein intake is very low, and I
don't think you could be getting enough vitamins.  You need to focus
more on healthy proteins -- fish, poultry, lean meat, eggs  -- and on
fruit and veggies.  Your carbs should be healthy ones like whole grain
breads and cereals, not bagels and animal crackers.  And, particularly
if you're drinking regular soda, you're getting too much sugar.

You can lose weight eating a low enough calorie diet, regardless of
nutritional content, but you'll probably feel better, more satisfied,
and able to stick to your diet better if you try to move toward
healthier choices.

Chris
262/157/ (holding in 152-165 weight class)

Chris
kitznegari thinks it has wings - 16 Mar 2004 04:25 GMT
Chris said:

>This is a relatively small amount of food, but it isn't a very good
>diet.  Bagels are pretty high in calories and don't offer a whole lot
>of nutritional bang for the buck.  

the ones i eat are less than 300 calories each.

>Are the sodas diet or regular?

regular.  i need to change that.

>Regular soda is nothing but sugar.  Crackers, animal crackers, and
>chocolate bars are also pretty much empty calories.  

yep.  but compared to the amount of empty calories that i USED to take in

Your dinner
>sounds okay, at least on the days you eat meat and veggies.  

but the other days are imporant, i think, because i have to eat late in the
day... like 7 or 8 pm because that's when i get home from work... and i NEVER
have time to eat fruit... so i drink a smoothie (300 calories, 100% fruit) and
feel better.

>Didn't
>you say you're using fitday?  

am not using a plan.  have no money + want to just flat out change my lifestyle
instead of doing a gimmicky sort of thing for a few months.

>Your protein intake is very low,

have actually been trying to go vegetarian for a long time... that's also part
of why i do the smoothies.  nutritional supplements and all that.

and I
>don't think you could be getting enough vitamins.  

most assuredly not.

You need to focus
>more on healthy proteins -- fish, poultry, lean meat, eggs  -- and on
>fruit and veggies.  

you're right.

Your carbs should be healthy ones like whole grain
>breads and cereals, not bagels and animal crackers.  And, particularly
>if you're drinking regular soda, you're getting too much sugar.

i do need to cut out the sugar.  that is my ultimate downfall.

>You can lose weight eating a low enough calorie diet, regardless of
>nutritional content, but you'll probably feel better, more satisfied,
>and able to stick to your diet better if you try to move toward
>healthier choices.

yep.

- k i t z -
"that's me in the corner..."
http://spinning_plates.tripod.com
jmk - 16 Mar 2004 13:30 GMT
> Chris said:
>
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> have time to eat fruit... so i drink a smoothie (300 calories, 100% fruit) and
> feel better.

I don't know about most people but I can wash and eat an apple faster
than I can make a smoothie.  Heck, I can probably was and cut up some
broccoli faster than I can make a smoothie :-)

>>Didn't
>>you say you're using fitday?  
>
> am not using a plan.  have no money + want to just flat out change my lifestyle
> instead of doing a gimmicky sort of thing for a few months.

Fitday is not a plan, it is a computer program on fitday.com that allows
you to track calories.  It is free to use.

>>Your protein intake is very low,
>
> have actually been trying to go vegetarian for a long time... that's also part
> of why i do the smoothies.  nutritional supplements and all that.

Vegetarians eat protein, they don't eat meat and other -- depending on
the type of vegetarian -- might not eat animal products (like dairy or
eggs).

> and I
>
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> "that's me in the corner..."
> http://spinning_plates.tripod.com

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MH - 16 Mar 2004 14:31 GMT
> Your dinner
> >sounds okay, at least on the days you eat meat and veggies.
>
> but the other days are imporant, i think, because i have to eat late in the
> day... like 7 or 8 pm because that's when i get home from work...

and i NEVER
> have time to eat fruit...

Yes you do. Eating a banana or apple doesn't take long at all.

so i drink a smoothie (300 calories, 100% fruit) and
> feel better.

And making a smoothie takes less time than just eating a banana???

> >Didn't
> >you say you're using fitday?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> have actually been trying to go vegetarian for a long time... that's also part
> of why i do the smoothies.  nutritional supplements and all that.

You can be a vegetarian and get enough protein. Eat beans, brown rice, tofu,
whole grains, cheese, etc.

Martha
alien - 16 Mar 2004 14:42 GMT
>>This is a relatively small amount of food, but it isn't a very good
>>diet.  Bagels are pretty high in calories and don't offer a whole lot
>>of nutritional bang for the buck.  
>
> the ones i eat are less than 300 calories each.

Maybe you could try some whole grain hot cereal?

>>Are the sodas diet or regular?
>
> regular.  i need to change that.
Yep. I would drop them all together.

>>Regular soda is nothing but sugar.  Crackers, animal crackers, and
>>chocolate bars are also pretty much empty calories.  
>
> yep.  but compared to the amount of empty calories that i USED to take
> in
You have to remember you are committing to a lifestyle change. So now
isnt the time to compare your daily diet to your *used to* intake. If I
did that I could take in 3000 cals a day of soda and chips and still be
eating less than I *used to*. :) THose numbers will steadily fall then
slowly level out. You'll find the math quite easy after a few months.
 
> but the other days are imporant, i think, because i have to eat late
> in the day... like 7 or 8 pm because that's when i get home from
> work... and i NEVER have time to eat fruit... so i drink a smoothie
> (300 calories, 100% fruit) and feel better.
No time to eat fruit? HHmmmmmmmmm! I can wolf down an apple and an orange
in less than 2 minutes. ;)

>>Didn't
>>you say you're using fitday?  
>
> am not using a plan.  have no money + want to just flat out change my
> lifestyle instead of doing a gimmicky sort of thing for a few months.
Keeping track of your caloric and nutritional intake is by no means
gimmicky. I have been doing it for over a year and it is no more of a
problem now than it was then. I use an offline program and it takes me
less than 5 minutes to log my food for the day. The weather segment of
the news takes that much time. Anyone and I mean ANYONE has 5 minutes to
spare to a more healthy lifestyle. If they don't....then....well, I won't
open those can of worms.

>>Your protein intake is very low,
>
> have actually been trying to go vegetarian for a long time... that's
> also part of why i do the smoothies.  nutritional supplements and all
> that.
I was a simi vegetarian for a while. You can get great protien and fiber
from beans! Pinto,kidney,lima,garbonza, ect... If you eat dairy try
cottage cheese. It can have up to 15g of protien per 1/2 cup serving!

> You need to focus
>>more on healthy proteins -- fish, poultry, lean meat, eggs  -- and on
>>fruit and veggies.  
I agree with this but as I also stated above. Those are not the only
sources of good protien if you dont like meat. Bottom line is, there is
no reason not to get enough good protien in your diet. On another note my
diet consist heavily on fish and dry beans and find it easy to get over
140g of protien on any given day.

> Your carbs should be healthy ones like whole grain
>>breads and cereals, not bagels and animal crackers.  And, particularly
>>if you're drinking regular soda, you're getting too much sugar.
>
> i do need to cut out the sugar.  that is my ultimate downfall.

Yep and this can and will stall out anyone trying to lose fat.

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current   212
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alien - 15 Mar 2004 03:26 GMT
> i just joined a gym and have been working out quite a bit lately (i
> previously was used to working out a good bit though at my martial
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> someone say something that will make me feel better.  i really don't
> want to become demotivated here.

So many factors to concider. First off, congrats on your new lifestyle
change. You may want to try and log your food for a week if you don't
already. You are working out more and may be eating more too. ((You can
still gain weight eating only healthy foods. It's a bummer but all
true))
Are you weighing everyday? If you obtained your starting numbers in the
morning and them obtained your ending number 2 weeks later in the after
noon you may have also weighed your food and water intake for that day.
My weight is always more in the afternoon. Sometimes by a bit more
indeed. Some may say it's muscle gain,but you just dont gain 6 pounds
of muscle in 2 weeks. If you are logging your food carefully and
honestly, it may just be water weight. If you are weighing everyday and
still gaining slowly you may want to concider backing your calorie
intake down a few hundred cals for a week or so and see how you do. Now
ask yourself how you feel? Are your clothes fitting better? The scales
are a good tool for people who have a lot to lose. Say 40+ lbs. The
scale may not be too good a tool if you only have to lose 15 or so
pounds. ((just my opinion)) Get yourself a good cloth measuring tape
and take measurments from various spots over your body and then take
them again in a few weeks.((while logging your food everyday...make it
a habit))

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153 lbs gone forever!!
---------------
starting  365
current   212
goal      200
hieght    6'3"
27 male

NC In Da House
---------------

kitznegari thinks it has wings - 15 Mar 2004 04:04 GMT
> You may want to try and log your food for a week if you don't
>already.

yep.  am doing that too.  have always thought that it was a better way to keep
me from going overboard if i actually had to write it down afterwards, lol.

> Are you weighing everyday?

yeah.  am obsessed with my scale.  it may be unhealthy and preventing me from
getting anywhere.

>If you obtained your starting numbers in the
> morning and them obtained your ending number 2 weeks later in the after
> noon you may have also weighed your food and water intake for that day.

well, i tend to weigh as soon as i get up and before i go to bed.  just to get
an average.

>Now ask yourself how you feel?

better as far as the exercising goes.

>Are your clothes fitting better?

bout the same, i think.

>The
> scale may not be too good a tool if you only have to lose 15 or so
> pounds. ((just my opinion))

you may be right.

>Get yourself a good cloth measuring tape
> and take measurments from various spots over your body and then take
> them again in a few weeks.

that sounds like a good idea.

thanks :)

- k i t z -
"that's me in the corner..."
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kitznegari thinks it has wings - 15 Mar 2004 04:04 GMT
btw, how much muscle weight CAN you gain in two weeks?  can't seem to find any
info on that sort of a thing.

thanks again :)

- k i t z -
"that's me in the corner..."
http://spinning_plates.tripod.com
Paul - 15 Mar 2004 05:27 GMT
You da man alien!  Except I passed you and am at 207...lol.  Take care NC

Paul

> > i just joined a gym and have been working out quite a bit lately (i
> > previously was used to working out a good bit though at my martial
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>  them again in a few weeks.((while logging your food everyday...make it
>  a habit))
Paul - 15 Mar 2004 05:48 GMT
Hi Kitznegari,

 I too just started going to the gym about a week or two ago.  Now I have a
handicap with my left leg and right foot, but I manage to walk 4 miles a day
and spend a hour on the elliptical machine at least five times a week.  This
week I walked 24 miles and spent 6 hours on the elliptical machine.  I
started at 300 pounds last August and am now 207.  I attribute my loss to
eating healthy, proper portions, and exercise.

 If I were you I would weight yourself the same time everyday, either in
the morning after peeing or after you workout.  If you weight yourself once
in the morning and then the next day at night, you could see an easy 6 to 9
pound difference.  I love pizza too and treat myself once every 2 to 3
weeks, and we order a thin crust, Pizza Hut veggie pizza and I eat 3 to 5
slices and it really doesn't affect me at all, except for a little guilt.
Since I've changed my daily dieting to healthy foods though, I don't crave
junk food.

 I've never used a ski machine and am curious if it is a good exercise
machine.  When I say good I mean does it make you sweat, get your heart
beating?  If so keep it up, if not you might want to get on an elliptical or
stairclimber.  You definitely won't gain 6 pounds of muscle in 2.5 weeks and
I doubt you'll gain that much fat if your eating good and exercising, so I'd
say you just have water weight now.

 Don't get unmotivated that's the last thing you need to do.  We all get to
sticking points, plateaus, and such.  I've even noticed the gains like you,
but I quickly realized this was due to weighing in at different times of the
day or after drinking a lot of fluids.

 I'm glad your exercising and eating healthy.  Try to stick to thin crust
veggie pizza if you can on your Fridays and limit the quantity too.

Take care,

Paul
300/207/175

> i just joined a gym and have been working out quite a bit lately (i previously
> was used to working out a good bit though at my martial arts school, so i'm
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> "that's me in the corner..."
> http://spinning_plates.tripod.com
kitznegari thinks it has wings - 16 Mar 2004 01:33 GMT
>I've never used a ski machine and am curious if it is a good exercise
>machine.  When I say good I mean does it make you sweat, get your heart
>beating?

my heartrate can get up to 160 and i won't break a sweat... i am very strange
that way.  but i do get nice and clammy while i'm working out anyway, most of
the time.  i spend almost the whole workout with my heartrate between 154-161,
which, as i understand it, is what it should be while a person my age is
working out.

>If so keep it up, if not you might want to get on an elliptical or
>stairclimber.

those stairclimbers look like an assasination attempt.  no kidding.  the
bally's i work out at has them positioned directly in front of the ski machines
and i never see anyone last longer than 10 minutes on them... i got on one
myself and got on to about 7 minutes before i threw in the towel.  of course,
i'd already put in about 25 minutes on a ski machine, but you see what i'm
getting at.  wow.

they're probably the least-loved machines at my gym, lol.

>You definitely won't gain 6 pounds of muscle in 2.5 weeks and
>I doubt you'll gain that much fat if your eating good and exercising, so I'd
>say you just have water weight now.

well, like i said in the other thread... after weighing myself on a different
scale (ie, at my mum's house) i determined that it is my SCALE that is bogus.
i've gained only 2 pounds.

so i feel a bit better.  

- k i t z -
"that's me in the corner..."
http://spinning_plates.tripod.com
Doug Freyburger - 16 Mar 2004 00:05 GMT
> i just joined a gym and have been working out quite a bit lately ...
> i gained 6 pounds in the last 2 1/2 weeks.

When a low carber starts a new exercise plan, the muscles try to hoard
carbs for the next workout.  Carbs are stored in water.  Bingo instant
water retention.  Do NOT play hurtfull self inflicted mind games with
yourself calling this fat.  It is not.  In time the muscles get used to
the load, stop hoarding carbs, and release the water.  Diufferent
people, different length of time.

> :(

No anti-smileys.  What you experienced is expected, common, and
successfull.
Chris Braun - 16 Mar 2004 02:53 GMT
>> i just joined a gym and have been working out quite a bit lately ...
>> i gained 6 pounds in the last 2 1/2 weeks.
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>No anti-smileys.  What you experienced is expected, common, and
>successfull.

I don't think she's a low carber.  Did you see the post with a typical
day's diet?  It includes bagels, animal crackers, chocolate candy,
potatoes, and soda.

Chris (not a low carber either, but I don't eat like that)
262/157/ (holding in 152-165 weight class)
kitznegari thinks it has wings - 16 Mar 2004 05:26 GMT
>I don't think she's a low carber.

never.

>Did you see the post with a typical
>day's diet?  It includes bagels, animal crackers, chocolate candy,
>potatoes, and soda.

okay, i think you're overblowing it a bit.

>Chris (not a low carber either, but I don't eat like that)

*rolls her eyes*

- k i t z -
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Chris Braun - 16 Mar 2004 05:58 GMT
>>I don't think she's a low carber.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>okay, i think you're overblowing it a bit.

How so?  This is all stuff you said you ate in a typical day.  In what
way am I exaggerating?  I'm assuming you are not trying to eat a low
carb diet, are you?  The post I was replying to assumed you were.

>>Chris (not a low carber either, but I don't eat like that)
>
>*rolls her eyes*

Why so?  Just the truth.  I just meant to make the point that I wasn't
objecting to you not following a low-carb diet per se, but rather to
your particular food choices.

I eat just about anything on occasion.  (Well, I don't really ever
drink regular soda, and I don't have much interest in animal
crackers.)  But my average day has far more protein and far less
sugar.

Chris
J.J. in WA State - 16 Mar 2004 18:28 GMT
Hark! I heard Chris Braun <braun_chris@mindspring.com> say:

<snip>

> I eat just about anything on occasion.  (Well, I don't really ever
> drink regular soda, and I don't have much interest in animal
> crackers.)  But my average day has far more protein and far less
> sugar.

It's so easy to let sugar sneak up on you (not *you*, Chris, but "you"
in the general sense). Regular soda is definitely a culprit, but has
anyone read the label on those pre-made "smoothies" (Dannon, for
instance)? Something like 49g of sugar, yet they market them as being
a good, quick breakfast; it's disgusting!

Okay, end rant; time to go have my low fat/low sugar yogurt with All
Bran... :-)
Chris Braun - 17 Mar 2004 03:20 GMT
>Regular soda is definitely a culprit, but has
>anyone read the label on those pre-made "smoothies" (Dannon, for
>instance)? Something like 49g of sugar, yet they market them as being
>a good, quick breakfast; it's disgusting!

Yeah, they're pretty amazing.  I never buy anything without reading
labels, and there are many things I just put back down in the
supermarket.  This is one of them.

Chris
That T Woman - 16 Mar 2004 16:56 GMT
> >I don't think she's a low carber.
>
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> "that's me in the corner..."
> http://spinning_plates.tripod.com

Well, eye rolling isn't form of exercise that'll burn a lot of calories.  I
thought you and most folks post here to get honest feedback about your diet
and advice on how to improve it.  Obviously, if you're not losing weight
because you're eating junk food and be fair - animal crackers, chocolate
candy and soda are **JUNK** food, you have to change that.  Bagels and
potatoes have more carbs and calories than a lot folks around here are
willing to make room for in their WOE.  Part of the problem with potatoes is
that they play havoc with the blood sugar levels.  They cause a big spike up
in it followed by a huge drop.  That causes me and a lot of people to get
hungry and grumpy.  I thought I had bookmarked a site with the glycemic
index of food but I couldn't find it.  Do a google and read up on it.  Even
if you don't go low carb or go vegetarian, this is good info to be aware of.

Tonia
 
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