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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / March 2004Meridia/Wellbutrin/Slim-Fast progress
I'm a lurker. But I thought I should post my progress, because it's been good. But I'm scared about losing it. October 2002: I was originally about 182 lb, 5'5, Male, and I started taking Meridia in Oct 02 to about December 2002 or a little later, maybe January (10s and then 15s). I then tried Ionamin (Phentermine) for about a month. It makes you sketchy. I believe I was hovering around 172 by this time. I was eating quite a bit still, and not exercising regularly. August 03: I then went on Wellbutrin in August of 03, and I was around 172 at the time. I also started Slim-Fast. I went to about 167 while on Wellby. February 1, 04: Joined a gym, and was still on the Slim-Fast program, and exercised 3x a week. Started at 167 and went down to 160. February 19, 04: Started Meridia 10 and then went to 15mg. Was 160 lb. Vigourous exercise 5 times a week for 30 minutes (cardio) or 20 minutes cardio/20 minutes weights, keeping on Slim Fast and medium-carb/low-cal diet. Heading toward 150 lb. Today: 153.5 lb. So that's about 30 lb in about a year. Anyone got similar results? I think the commitment to exercise has made all the difference. I was such a lazy a.s before, but at some point, you just have to say enough is enough, eh? Where will it get you if you don't, I figure? Also, anyone had any trouble getting their insurance companies to cover this with the right paper work? My BMI was over 30 at the start of treatment, and I have a family history of stroke, so I should be covered, but I'm waiting to hear back on it. Thanks all, and the best of luck to everyone's weight loss. > February 19, 04: Started Meridia 10 and then went to 15mg. Was 160 lb. > Vigourous exercise 5 times a week for 30 minutes (cardio) or 20 minutes > cardio/20 minutes weights, keeping on Slim Fast and medium-carb/low-cal > diet. Imagine how much easier it would have been without sucking down all that sugar in the Slim Fast. The stuff really isn't all they claim it to be.  SignatureSmokey 425/225/2?? - Orwell and Roddenberry weren't just writers, they were prophets. - "A lie can go round the world before the truth has got its boots on." Terry Pratchett - "Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution of a vegetarian diet." Albert Einstein > > February 19, 04: Started Meridia 10 and then went to 15mg. Was 160 lb. > > Vigourous exercise 5 times a week for 30 minutes (cardio) or 20 minutes [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Imagine how much easier it would have been without sucking down all that > sugar in the Slim Fast. The stuff really isn't all they claim it to be. No, but it does give me the energy with minimal (230) calories. I'd certainly be willign to try another something-or-other, if you would be kind enoguh to suggest it. But it has to be as easy as the Slim Fast...i.e. being able to be purchased in a can and consumed immediately...I buy the premixed stuff. I don't liek the sugar factor either, because there is a lot, but, I don't knwo anything that would be easier than that. Do you? > > > February 19, 04: Started Meridia 10 and then went to 15mg. Was 160 lb. > > > Vigourous exercise 5 times a week for 30 minutes (cardio) or 20 minutes [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I don't liek the sugar factor either, because there is a lot, but, I don't > knwo anything that would be easier than that. Do you? As for the nutritional aspect of it, try Carnation Instant Breakfast, the no sugar added variety. It has about the same numbers as the Slim Fast, but without the sugar overload, and a fraction of the calories. It doesn't come in cans, but isn't your health and weight loss efforts worth the 10 seconds or so that it takes to stir the powder into a glass of milk? SignatureSmokey 425/225/2?? - Orwell and Roddenberry weren't just writers, they were prophets. - "A lie can go round the world before the truth has got its boots on." Terry Pratchett - "Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution of a vegetarian diet." Albert Einstein > > > > February 19, 04: Started Meridia 10 and then went to 15mg. Was 160 lb. > > > > Vigourous exercise 5 times a week for 30 minutes (cardio) or 20 minutes [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > worth the 10 seconds or so that it takes to stir the powder into a glass > of milk? If the whole Milk stirring thing really is overburdensome and money is not an issue, some of the meal replacement supplements like Glucerna and Ensure light are pretty good with Sugar. j > - > Orwell and Roddenberry weren't just writers, they were prophets. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > diet." > Albert Einstein ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julianne" <juli882nospam@cox.net> Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.rx Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Meridia/Wellbutrin/Slim-Fast progress > If the whole Milk stirring thing really is overburdensome and money is not > an issue, some of the meal replacement supplements like Glucerna and Ensure > light are pretty good with Sugar. Hey all, and I'd like to sincerely thank you all for your replies... I appreciate them very much. TO JULIANNE, JAYJAY and ALL: I'm inclined to go toward something like Ensure instead. I'm looking for something in the 200-250 calorie range. My concern is the amount of fat and carbs in the shakes. I'm wondering what type of shake that I could have that will give me the satisfaction of Slim Fast and the caloric energy, without being too high in fat or carbohydrates. There's a number of different kinds of Ensure products around... What one do you think would be the best to go with? I'm a little scared that by giving up the Slim Fast, I'll start putting on weight. But I guess it's all a marketing ploy, really, right? "Slim Fast" is just the name...but I could be drinking anything with similar ingredients and getting similar results, am I not correct? I'm actually up in CANADA, and here we have a brand called Presidents' Choice, and they a shake called "Ultra". Anyone tried this? It looks high in calories, but it may be an option if anyone here has had good experiences with it... Also, Jayjay's idea of a Myoplex premixed shake might be good too. Is it alright to get so much calories from protein and not carbs, though? Or will I be too weak from the lack of sugars, if I go with those? Or maybe a combination of 1 slim fast, 1 protein (Ensure HP or Myoplex) might work? The premixed factor is really important to me...I live in a pretty big city with a fast lifestyle where I just don't have the time to do anything with a blender just yet. Maybe when the sun starts coming up earlier and its warmer, I'll be more inclined to get up and do those sorts of things, but I just don't have the time now. >Hey all, and I'd like to sincerely thank you all for your replies... I >appreciate them very much. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >warmer, I'll be more inclined to get up and do those sorts of things, but I >just don't have the time now. Mark, which group are you reading and posting from. Julianne and I are in ASD and if we can stop the crossposting, it would be nice. Although the subject matter is pertanent to both groups, I hate to see the thread drag on in a group that is not participating. Anyhow. I hope I'm getting this straight. 1. you work a afternoon shift (2nd shift) of 2pm to 9pm. 2. you don't get up early enough for daylight hours to make a shake? 3. you don't get to the gym till 11pm, so that puts your last meal of the day at a late time frame. And you struggle with eating habits due to your shiftwork hours. 4. you are male, 5'4" and w/ a goal of 140lbs. 5. you are doing a meal replacement (shake) to lose weight and if you are using only this, then you are most likely consuming less than 1000 cals a day. That is a bit concerning 6. you are trying to find a way to change your eating habits and dealing with going off meds for weight loss. I think that is most of the facts I've gathered so far. You've come to the right place. Some things to consider. 1. Nutritional education. One thing that comes to mind is your concern over protein vs. carbs. One thing to consider is *how* carbs affect your body vs. how protein affects your body. In basic terms, Sugary type carbs will cause a spike in your blood sugar/insulin levels (ever hear the term "sugar high"). You go thru a temporary "high" (energy increase) and then once that energy is used, you "crash" as your blood sugar levels go back down. What this in-turn does is causes you false hunger feelings. Your body is trying to regain that "sugar high" and is craving foods. Generally you crave more carby foods for the quick energy. On the other hand, protein consumption will convert into energy at a much slower rate, which won't give you the quick energy boosts and will regulate the blood sugar/insulin levels. This means that over time you crave less foods. As for carbs, there are different types of carbs. Sugar, sugary foods and processed/bleached flours are ones to stay away from. There is the glycemic index in foods - and based on their rating, is how the foods affect your insulin/bloodsugar levels. Check out this site as a resource: http://diabetes.about.com/library/mendosagi/nmendosagi.htm in the left colum you'll see the link to "FOOD" check out under there for all the other information on the glycemic index of foods. Anyhow - if you regulate your sugar intake, increase your fiber, increase your protein, you'll find you have the same energy, less food cravings and can handle the odd work shifts. From there we can work on your eating habits and your work schedule. You aren't alone in how you live your life. Many people have been successful. The bottom line is - they CHOSE to make active changes in their life to accomodate their new eating habits and lifestyle. Making your weight loss and maintenance a priority is key to successfully keeping the weight off - with or without medical intervention. > Mark, which group are you reading and posting from. Julianne and I > are in ASD and if we can stop the crossposting, it would be nice. > Although the subject matter is pertanent to both groups, I hate to see > the thread drag on in a group that is not participating. Hey. Thanks for letting me know. I'm going to keep it to ASD from now on, there is more traffic here anyway, and more resourcefulness, it seems. > Anyhow. I hope I'm getting this straight. > 1. you work a afternoon shift (2nd shift) of 2pm to 9pm. Yep. Sun-Thurs. > 2. you don't get up early enough for daylight hours to make a shake? What I meant by this was that I get up around 1, so I don't have time to do anything before I leave to work at 2. And right now, with the cold weather, and snow, there's no motivation to wake up earlier, like, say, 11, and do things like exercise or make shakes. Because it's so cold. But maybe when the weather is better, I'll have the motivation to get up and exercise in the mornings and make shakes. > 3. you don't get to the gym till 11pm, so that puts your last meal of > the day at a late time frame. And you struggle with eating habits > due to your shiftwork hours. Yep. I tend to have a shake at 2-3 PM, then another around 6 PM, as well as a small snack with each of those (fruit or salad) and then dinner at 10 PM, then gym, then a snack after that, and sleep around 2 AM. > 4. you are male, 5'4" and w/ a goal of 140lbs. About 5'5 145 is a reasonable goal. > 5. you are doing a meal replacement (shake) to lose weight and if you > are using only this, then you are most likely consuming less than 1000 > cals a day. That is a bit concerning I've counted. I take in about 650 in shakes and snacks, and then about 600 from dinner and evening food, lots of protein (about 300 grams of chicken breasts a day...thats about 2/3 of a pound) and 100 cal of soy protein "veggie gruond beef". > 6. you are trying to find a way to change your eating habits and > dealing with going off meds for weight loss. Yep, because I don't want to be on meds forever... > You've come to the right place. I can't believe the amount of help and support on here... I am so thankful for it... I never though much about posting here before because I thought there was too much traffic for anyone to notice. > Some things to consider. > 1. Nutritional education. One thing that comes to mind is your > concern over protein vs. carbs. [etc. etc. **snip**] > is trying to regain that "sugar high" and is craving foods. Generally > you crave more carby foods for the quick energy. Well, I do know a little about that already, and as a result, I have cut starchy carbs almost entirely out of my diet, except for 100 calories in bread, and a banana a day. I cut out pasta entirely... (or mabye once a week in a frozen meal for a treat or if I am in a rush). But are the Slim Fast shakes a bad idea for my glycemic levels? If so, how bad? > Anyhow - if you regulate your sugar intake, increase your fiber, > increase your protein, you'll find you have the same energy, less food > cravings and can handle the odd work shifts. I'm having trouble discerning the difference between fibre and starchy carbs. Like, a lot of cereals are considered good sources of fibre...but they also contain starch, don't they? I snack on a bowl of Special K these days...how does that score for starchiness? My dinner is the same every night... A Stir-fry: 2/3 a pound (300 grams) chicken breasts (that's about 3 breasts), 4 cups of oriental veggies (total of about 120 calories - mostly broccoli, but some mushrooms and onions), 1 to 1.5 cups of hot salsa, a cup of soy "veggie" ground beef protein (about 100 calories total), a teaspoon of cheeze whiz light (50 cal or so). And half a teaspoon of extra virgin olive oil. And if I'm still hungry, I have a chicken breast before bed, half a grapefruit, and two slices of plain toast. And throughout the day I drink all sugar-free drinks and crystal light at night. No water ever...I hate it. My exercise routine is ... as much as possible. Every day of the week pretty much. either 30 minutes of cardio, with heart rate about 150-170, or a comb of 20 minutes cardio and 20-30 minutes free weights. I heard keeping the heart rate in the right zone is important, but I can't help it from pushing 160, and sweating a lot. It almost seems HARDER to keep it toned down in the 145-155 range. Hopefully, I'm on the right track... Thanks again for all advice... > > Mark, which group are you reading and posting from. Julianne and I > > are in ASD and if we can stop the crossposting, it would be nice. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Anyhow. I hope I'm getting this straight. > > 1. you work a afternoon shift (2nd shift) of 2pm to 9pm. I worked 3-11's for a long time when I first became a nurse. I got to spend more time with my kiddo before he took off to school that way. I used to come home around midnight, sleep for seven or eight hours and by noon, the kid and I went to the Y where he got to play with his little friends in the nursery and I did noon aerobics. Managing my weight was never easier. Like Wendy pointed out, you got 24 hours in a day. Spread it out however you want. As far as eating, I ate my last meal around nine at the hospital. To be sure, there were nights we lived on Ensure and jello left over from patients but we also had many quiet nights where we could enjoy our meals brought from home or we would send out for something. Food was always plentiful in the units because MD's and patient families all figure out really early that food gets the attention of a nurse. > Yep. Sun-Thurs. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the weather is better, I'll have the motivation to get up and exercise in > the mornings and make shakes. > > 3. you don't get to the gym till 11pm, so that puts your last meal of > > the day at a late time frame. And you struggle with eating habits [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a small snack with each of those (fruit or salad) and then dinner at 10 PM, > then gym, then a snack after that, and sleep around 2 AM. I would seriously reconsider the after work exercise. It will delay your ability to go to sleep and I think you might find that exercising early in the day will make you more productive. Everyone is different though and if you really like the night thing, go for it. > > 4. you are male, 5'4" and w/ a goal of 140lbs. > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > in a frozen meal for a treat or if I am in a rush). But are the Slim Fast > shakes a bad idea for my glycemic levels? If so, how bad? Like drinking sugar..... Look for things like high fructose corn syrup on the label. I would bet that Pasta would be a better choice! > > Anyhow - if you regulate your sugar intake, increase your fiber, > > increase your protein, you'll find you have the same energy, less food [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > they also contain starch, don't they? I snack on a bowl of Special K these > days...how does that score for starchiness? Starch is another word for a type of carbohydrates. Here is the deal in a nutshell. You have protien, carbs and fat. The first two have 4 calories per gram and the last has 9 calories. Within the carb group, you have different size molecules. As you eat carbs, they are broken down in your gut by a series of enzymes and are then moved across your intestines (or stomach in some cases) to the blood stream. Depending on the size of the molecule, it takes longer for carbs to be digested and used - hence the term 'complex' carbs. When the blood sugar rises rapidly, insulin production is also increased. As the insulin deals with all the carbohydrates, your sugar will drop off again. Then you get hungry. The role of sugar and insulin in relationship to diet varies for everyone. In addition to the nutshell version, consider that exercise, some medications and the combination of the foods you eat play a role. People are more prone the sugar rollercoaster if they are insulin resistant. In the real world, about one in five people are resistant to insulin. On ASD, the number is probably much higher because insulin resistant people have a much harder time losing weight. When someone is insulin resistant, eating the right carbs and controllling insulin levels will also control appetite. Consider that you may be insulin resistant if you carry most of your weight around the middle, have a poor lipid profile or suffer cravings after eating sugar. > My dinner is the same every night... A Stir-fry: 2/3 a pound (300 grams) > chicken breasts (that's about 3 breasts), 4 cups of oriental veggies (total > of about 120 calories - mostly broccoli, but some mushrooms and onions), 1 > to 1.5 cups of hot salsa, a cup of soy "veggie" ground beef protein (about > 100 calories total), a teaspoon of cheeze whiz light (50 cal or so). And > half a teaspoon of extra virgin olive oil. Why Cheeze Whiz? It is nasty. Buy some real cheese and it won't contain sugar. > And if I'm still hungry, I have a chicken breast before bed, half a > grapefruit, and two slices of plain toast. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > 160, and sweating a lot. It almost seems HARDER to keep it toned down in the > 145-155 range. Consider increasing exercise to an hour a day. Don't worry about target ranges for your heart rate -(fat burning zones, etc.) - just exercise. Of course, don't go too high! > Hopefully, I'm on the right track... Thanks again for all advice... > nursery and I did noon aerobics. Managing my weight was never easier. Like > Wendy pointed out, you got 24 hours in a day. Spread it out however you > want. I'll concede... I'm not as closed to the idea of "reversing" my day as it may have originally seemed. It's just that I guess, right now, with the weather we've got up here, it makes it especially hard to motivate myself to get up and go out in the cold weather first thing in the morning. It's harsh. Once the weather gets nicer, I guess I'll get up to catch some sun in the morning, and then do a workout. But I'm just closed to the idea now because there's nothing to do outdoors in the mornings and it's so cloudy. Also, at one point, I used to try and wake up and do aerobics like you did at noon, but unfortunately, aerobics seems to have gone by the wayside these days. All they have these days is boxerkick, etc. classes, none of which carry the same amount of fun as traditional aerobics. The closest thing, I think, is Jazzercise, and I haven't had a chance to try it because all the classes are in the suburbs in church basements. > As far as eating, I ate my last meal around nine at the hospital. To be > sure, there were nights we lived on Ensure and jello left over from patients That's a good thing to hear then... Because that's not a lot earlier than my last meal. There's a lot of controversy around eating late meals, and I know it's less desireable, but I think that as along as it's not too much, and the right kind of food, people should be fine. Personally, one of my main problems is that I can't go to sleep on an empty stomach. > I would seriously reconsider the after work exercise. It will delay your > ability to go to sleep and I think you might find that exercising early in > the day will make you more productive. Everyone is different though and if > you really like the night thing, go for it. It's true, I'll concede again - it does making going to sleep harder... I either have to take Imovane or clonazepam to help me sleep... and that always makes it harder to wake up. :( It's a viscous cycle. > Starch is another word for a type of carbohydrates. Here is the deal in a > [etc] > per gram and the last has 9 calories. Within the carb group, you have I'll admit... most of this stuff I've read up upon. But I'm concerned about how to find the right kind of carbs if I'm going to be making shakes for myself. For example, tonight, I went shake shopping, after realizing my Slim Down shakes have 25g of sugar in them. I was shocked. But I couldn't find anything that suited me. The closest thing I found was Boost High Protein which has 15g protein, and still 33g carbohydrates... but it did not say how much of the carbs were fibre and how much were sugar!!! Argh! I'm assuming most of it is sugar, unfortunately... But it's better than the Slim Fast because its 5g less carbs over all and 10 g+ protein. > Why Cheeze Whiz? It is nasty. Buy some real cheese and it won't contain > sugar. I'm going to do that from now on then. I liked Cheeze Whiz because it is easy to spoon out. But I only use a tiny, tiny bit each meal right now, so it is not TOO bad at this point... > Consider increasing exercise to an hour a day. Don't worry about target > ranges for your heart rate -(fat burning zones, etc.) - just exercise. Of > course, don't go too high! Well, I have been exercising for about 3-4 weeks straight now (not missed a day) and a total of 7-8 weeks since the beginning of this latest routine. I started the routine at about 165 lb. But I can't keep my heart rate below 160 easily. I tend to focus on form on the elliptical to tone the leg muscles. But my thing about heart rate zones is that I want to burn most of my calories from FAT, so doesn't that mean I have to keep it around 70% of my heart rate? Anymore than that and I'm not being as efficient a fat burner, I thought. Thanks so much for all your help... How are you doing in terms of your exercise and weight now? 182/153/145 "Mark" <mark2000usenet@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:5ra6c.6586 > I'll concede... I'm not as closed to the idea of "reversing" my day as it > may have originally seemed. It's just that I guess, right now, with the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the morning, and then do a workout. But I'm just closed to the idea now > because there's nothing to do outdoors in the mornings and it's so cloudy. When it isn't cold and cloudy... Will it be too sunny to exercise? Will it be too warm to exercise? Will the weather be so nice that you stayed up even later and couldn't make time to get up and exercise? I guess I don't understand why your ONLY method of exercise is go outside and freeze in the cloudy weather. Instead of making excuses, find a different way to make it happen. Why come here and ask advice if the only thing you would do is to find reasons to discount that advice?? > Also, at one point, I used to try and wake up and do aerobics like you did > at noon, but unfortunately, aerobics seems to have gone by the wayside these > days. All they have these days is boxerkick, etc. classes, none of which > carry the same amount of fun as traditional aerobics. The closest thing, I > think, is Jazzercise, and I haven't had a chance to try it because all the > classes are in the suburbs in church basements. Who cares what society thinks about a certain method of exercise? The majority of people don't exercise. Why do you have to leave the house to exercise? Buy a video or dvd and exercise at home. There a quadzillion different types of tapes or dvds out there to choose from. > That's a good thing to hear then... Because that's not a lot earlier than my > last meal. There's a lot of controversy around eating late meals, and I know > it's less desireable, but I think that as along as it's not too much, and > the right kind of food, people should be fine. Personally, one of my main > problems is that I can't go to sleep on an empty stomach. Your stomach would be completely empty after not eating for 2-3 hours? Why can't you fill it up with high fiber fruits or veggies. Not only will you not have an empty stomach, but you will have a nice surprise in the morning. > It's true, I'll concede again - it does making going to sleep harder... I > either have to take Imovane or clonazepam to help me sleep... and that > always makes it harder to wake up. :( It's a viscous cycle. You can't keep relying on hard core prescription drugs to help you live your life.... do what other young men do to help you fall asleep: Whack off, or are your hands broken?? > I'll admit... most of this stuff I've read up upon. But I'm concerned about > how to find the right kind of carbs if I'm going to be making shakes for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > most of it is sugar, unfortunately... But it's better than the Slim Fast > because its 5g less carbs over all and 10 g+ protein. Research shakes online and buy different types from there. Most good health food websites have nutritional data. You can buy a wide variety at cheaper prices then a drug store. If you are unsure about a brand, etc... post it here for advice. It took me 2 seconds to find that glucerna website that I posted for you in a later post for the nutritional value.... > I'm going to do that from now on then. I liked Cheeze Whiz because it is > easy to spoon out. But I only use a tiny, tiny bit each meal right now, so > it is not TOO bad at this point... Excuses again. Cheeze Whiz isn't real food. You sound like a smoker who thinks it is ok to have just 1 cig a day. > Well, I have been exercising for about 3-4 weeks straight now (not missed a > day) and a total of 7-8 weeks since the beginning of this latest routine. I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > my heart rate? Anymore than that and I'm not being as efficient a fat > burner, I thought. I used to think the same thing, but was told in this group a couple of weeks ago not to go by the 70% thing. I would suggest interval training.... going at a high speed/tension for 3-4 mins, then low speed/tension for 3-4 mins... alternating between higher and lower heart rates. Do a search for some posts from earlier this month to find that interval training thread that I started asking about the 70% heart rate question. > Thanks so much for all your help... How are you doing in terms of your > exercise and weight now? I am doing great... I went from being a smoking 284 unfit woman to non-smoking 210 reasonably fit woman in 7 months. I work out 4-5 days a week on cardio equiptment, free weights and weight machines. I never thought I would find the time or energy to do this 7 mos ago when I started. I stopped making excuses and realized that if I didn't make some positive health changes, I wouldn't see 40. Don't take my post the wrong way... I do want to see you get to your goal and be healthy. However, it would be to your benefit to listen to what some of us here are actually talking about. I think you found a group that is well experienced with what you are going thru and have alternative healthy ways of fixing their lives. Good luck. 284/210/??? > 182/153/145 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julianne" <juli882nospam@cox.net> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I'm a little scared that by giving up the Slim Fast, I'll start putting on > weight. Only because you seem to have already convinced yourself that you will. Think positive, it don't cost nuthin'. ;-] >But I guess it's all a marketing ploy, really, right? "Slim Fast" is > just the name...but I could be drinking anything with similar ingredients > and getting similar results, am I not correct? It's just a matter of reading the labels, then choosing your taste preference from the more nutritious ones. On a similar note, one advantage to using the powder is that you choose how much fat you put in it. I personally use skim milk, but then again, I lost my taste for the varieties containing fat long ago. > I'm actually up in CANADA, and here we have a brand called Presidents' > Choice, The store you go to must be in the Albertsons's family. Our local (Chicago) chain is called Jewel, and also carries the PC brand. >and they a shake called "Ultra". Anyone tried this? It looks high in > calories, but it may be an option if anyone here has had good experiences [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > with a fast lifestyle where I just don't have the time to do anything with a > blender just yet. You don't really need a blender, just one of those commuter cups with a leak proof lid. Dump in a cup of milk, rip open a pouch of mix, snap on the lid and give it a shake as you're walking out the door. As an added bonus in this lingering cold weather, get the all plastic variety of commuter cup. That way you can nuke it and have a thick, warm, creamy cup of chocolate bliss to take the edge off that frosty commute. >Maybe when the sun starts coming up earlier and its > warmer, I'll be more inclined to get up and do those sorts of things, but I > just don't have the time now. When your health is concerned, it's really important to make the time. Progress doesn't wait for conveniences' sake. SignatureSmokey 425/225/2?? - Orwell and Roddenberry weren't just writers, they were prophets. - "A lie can go round the world before the truth has got its boots on." Terry Pratchett - "Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution of a vegetarian diet." Albert Einstein > Only because you seem to have already convinced yourself that you will. > Think positive, it don't cost nuthin'. ;-] I'll admit, I usually am one of the most positive thinkers... I lose it every now and again, but I wouldn't have got this far if I hadn't been so hopeful about my work... > It's just a matter of reading the labels, then choosing your taste > preference from the more nutritious ones. On a similar note, one > advantage to using the powder is that you choose how much fat you put in > it. I personally use skim milk, but then again, I lost my taste for the > varieties containing fat long ago. The difference between fat contents in my situation is negligible between skim, 1 and 2 per cent milk, because my daily fat intake is so low anyway. I could be convinced to go to powder when the cans get too expensive. But I might have to whether I like it or not, because tonight I went 'shake shopping' at the drugstore, and there was NOTHING that suited what I was looking for (low carb, high protein, 250 calorie range). I'm disconcerted. > The store you go to must be in the Albertsons's family. Our local > (Chicago) chain is called Jewel, and also carries the PC brand. Yep, then it must be the same... But I wonder what those Ultra shakes are like. They are not too expensive, so... I might consider them an option if anyone has tried one. > When your health is concerned, it's really important to make the time. > Progress doesn't wait for conveniences' sake. I'll admit... I'm mainly doing it all just to look good for the summer :) I ain't getting any younger, so I'd better do my best to get the whole package while I'm not yet past it. 182/153/145 > so I'd better do my best to get the whole package > while I'm not yet past it. Now THAT'S the attitude that's going to make your goal a reality. SignatureSmokey 425/225/2?? Available: 1956 model Old Hippy. Only one previous owner, recently restored. Has many hard to get options and comes with a 90 year warranty. Inquires can be sent to the above address. >No, but it does give me the energy with minimal (230) calories. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I don't liek the sugar factor either, because there is a lot, but, I don't >knwo anything that would be easier than that. Do you? GNC or local health food store. Purchase a bulk container of vanilla or plain protein powder. Go for the protein powder and not the "bulking" products. milk, cocoa powder (unsweetend bakers chocolate powder), splenda. Mix 1.5 cup milk, 1 scoop protein powder, 1 tbs cocoa powder, 2 packets of splenda. Put into a shaker type container, shake, drink Or, with that same protein powder. 1 cup Diet V8 splash 1 handful ice cubes (optional for thickness) 1/2 cup - 1 cup frozen/cold fruit (berries, melons, bananas, your choice). Blend in blender, drink Or - do the milk variety above, but instead of the cocoa powder, put a banana in it for the banana shake. Or purchase the Atkins Flavoring stuff and add in flavoring like Banana, Hazelnut, or one of the many different flavors you can get in unsweetened liquid form. For premixed powders you can go with Myoplex, personally I find them too expensive for their convienence factor. For canned stuff - Atkins now makes a shake, Myoplex makes canned shakes, and there are others. I would just be concerned over the fact that you are probably consuming less than 1000 cals per day to lose the weight. That will make it all the more difficult to maintain the weight loss in the long run. I hope you read my other post and come up with a plan of attack on how to keep the weight off. >>Imagine how much easier it would have been without sucking down all that >>sugar in the Slim Fast. The stuff really isn't all they claim it to be. That's what I was thinking. I've lost 60 pounds since Sept. of 2002 and didn't drink any Slimfast. > No, but it does give me the energy with minimal (230) calories. I eat four or five meals a day where some of those meals are planned 200 calorie snacks. (I just ate a balance bar, for example.) 230 calories of sugar isn't enough benefit for the calories, IMO. > I'd certainly be willign to try another something-or-other, if you would be > kind enoguh to suggest it. But it has to be as easy as the Slim Fast...i.e. > being able to be purchased in a can and consumed immediately...I buy the > premixed stuff. Myoplex Lite tastes pretty good - try the Cappacino Ice flavor. I buy mine at www.vitaglo.com. I don't get it pre-mixed, though, as I'm capable of adding milk and some ice cubes to a shaker. I'm a bit interested in your philosophy: you want to lose weight but don't want to bother doing it by learning how to feed your body appropriately? Is there something WRONG with eating good foods? Dally 244/179/170 > I'm a bit interested in your philosophy: you want to lose weight but > don't want to bother doing it by learning how to feed your body > appropriately? Is there something WRONG with eating good foods? I do want to eat good foods...I keep my fat intake under 10, maybe 15 gram a day. My other post has details on what I eat, maybe you will find it to be OK... >>I'm a bit interested in your philosophy: you want to lose weight but >>don't want to bother doing it by learning how to feed your body [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > day. My other post has details on what I eat, maybe you will find it to be > OK... I was really struck by the 600 calorie dinner. Three chicken breasts?!? My method is to eat smaller meals four or five times a day. It works for me. You mentioned wanting the sugar rush for "energy" so I suspect the slimfast isn't working for you as well as you wish - my energy levels are pretty constant now. I typically eat a 350 calorie breakfast, a 350 calorie lunch, a 200 calorie snack and a 350-400 calorie dinner. There might be another 200 calorie snack, for a total of maybe 1300-1500 calories. That's the level of food I need in the right frequency for me. But there's one more trick to making it work... I had to get the macronutrient ratio worked out. I turn out to need about 45% of my calories from high fiber carbs (brown rice, wholemeal bread, vegetables and fruits) and about 30% of my calories from lean protein (chicken breast, fish, protein powder) and about 25% of my calories from fat. Yes, fat. I saw you mentioning a low-fat mind-set somewhere else. Most of us have moved away from that. Just like carbs are okay if they're the RIGHT carbs, fats are okay if they're the RIGHT fats. In fact, they're essential. No pun intended, but we call the "right" fats "essential fatty acids." Eat your fats from seeds and nuts and fish - not saturated fats from animals and not trans-fats from baked goods, but virgin pressed olive oil and peanutbutter and juicy salmon. I've been losing fat pretty regularly over the past 18 months - about a pound a week. This entire time I've been training myself on how to maintain this fat loss by changing my exercise habits and my eating habits. This isn't a diet, this is a change in attitude. I was a bit down on your case in another post saying you're whining about excuses. I tend to be a bit harsh and I apologize if that isn't motivating to you. It's just that we hear a lot of people explaining why they CAN'T make sensible changes. All of us know that you can when you want to. Dally > I was really struck by the 600 calorie dinner. Three chicken breasts?!? What is wrong with a 600 calorie dinner? Is that a lot, or a little? How much is three chicken breasts work out to be in protein and in calories? I don't even know... > My method is to eat smaller meals four or five times a day. It works > for me. You mentioned wanting the sugar rush for "energy" so I suspect > the slimfast isn't working for you as well as you wish - my energy Yeah, I think I am going to have to do something about it. First shake...2 PM... then I get really dizzy with a huge tired crash by about 5:30, and then I have to have another... and then I crash at like 8, until I have a chance to get home after 9 and have more... :( > I was a bit down on your case in another post saying you're whining > about excuses. I tend to be a bit harsh and I apologize if that isn't > motivating to you. It's just that we hear a lot of people explaining > why they CAN'T make sensible changes. All of us know that you can when > you want to. That is fine. I am the same way to my friends. If there's one thing about me, I am not a hypocrite, and I don't try to talk about things without doing something about them. Mind you, for a moment, you did sound just like my mother. Mark 182/153/145 weigh them and figure it out... there is now way for us to know what size or weight each of them are... see below for links. http://www.calorie-count.com/ http://www.calorieking.com/ http://www.caloriesperhour.com/ "Mark" <mark2000usenet@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:KGa6c.6594 > How much is three chicken breasts work out to be in protein and in calories? > I don't even know... >>I was really struck by the 600 calorie dinner. Three chicken breasts?!? > > What is wrong with a 600 calorie dinner? Is that a lot, or a little? A lot in a 1200 calorie day. > How much is three chicken breasts work out to be in protein and in calories? > I don't even know... You should. Try logging your food at www.fitday.com. Pay particular attention to the proportion of calories coming from different macronutrients. No one recommends getting over 60% of your calories from carbs. Are you? (I prefer getting 40-45% from carbs, myself.) > Yeah, I think I am going to have to do something about it. First shake...2 > PM... then I get really dizzy with a huge tired crash by about 5:30, and > then I have to have another... and then I crash at like 8, until I have a > chance to get home after 9 and have more... :( The huge dizzy tired crash at 5:30 is caused by the Slimfast. If you had a snack at 2 pm that had a better glycemic load you wouldn't have that crash. That's the whole point of understanding why you want to avoid high glycemic foods. A better snack would be a half cup of skim milk cottage cheese mixed with a dite of yogurt for flavor. Or maybe an apple sliced up and dipped in a tub of peanutbutter. >>I was a bit down on your case in another post saying you're whining >>about excuses. I tend to be a bit harsh and I apologize if that isn't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > something about them. Mind you, for a moment, you did sound just like my > mother. LOL, I think I *might* be your mother! Dally > Myoplex Lite tastes pretty good - try the Cappacino Ice flavor. I buy > mine at www.vitaglo.com. I don't get it pre-mixed, though, as I'm > capable of adding milk and some ice cubes to a shaker. Just a quick question and not trying to be difficult or argumentative here. I was looking at Myoplex lite shakes since I want to find a replacement for HMR stuff to get rid of the sugar. I've actually been looking at a lot of products. Anywho - one of the ingredients of the Myoplex lite shakes (powder or premix) is "corn syrup solids." Is that sugar by another name? I've been using flavored whey powder (no sugar) mixed with water (milk doesn't agree with me) and eating a piece of fruit with it to get some carbs. I also tried having some in oatmeal with berries but I was ravenous within a half hour of eating it. I have no idea why I can be relatively satisfied with the liquid form but hungry after eating but that's my problem to solve. Jenn Maybe it is because the oatmeal is high in carbs, and carbs cause cravings? That is kinda weird... what brand of whey do you use?? "JMA" <bjenniferb@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:c3b4fm$25ulul$1@ID- > I've been using flavored whey powder (no sugar) mixed with water (milk > doesn't agree with me) and eating a piece of fruit with it to get some [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jenn I'm trying some Designer Whey right now, might try the GNC store brand next week. Not a big selection up here. When I find one I like I'll buy online in quantity. I'm really biding time until my dr appt. next week since I have no idea what I'll be doing diet wise until then. > Maybe it is because the oatmeal is high in carbs, and carbs cause cravings? > That is kinda weird... what brand of whey do you use?? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > Jenn > I'm trying some Designer Whey right now, might try the GNC store brand next > week. Not a big selection up here. When I find one I like I'll buy online > in quantity. I'm really biding time until my dr appt. next week since I > have no idea what I'll be doing diet wise until then. What kind of resources does your Doctor offer you for nutrition? Just advice, or prescriptions too? May I ask? I'm just trying to get a feel if I am the only one on something. It seems so. Mark 182/153/145 > within a half hour of eating it. I have no idea why I can be relatively > satisfied with the liquid form but hungry after eating but that's my problem > to solve. That is rather queer actually... I find most people and myself are the other way... Satisfied only with eating, and unsatisfied with liquid form/drinking... Odd... Mark 182/153/145 >I'm a lurker. But I thought I should post my progress, because it's been >good. But I'm scared about losing it. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >Thanks all, and the best of luck to everyone's weight loss. Good for you for making a strong effort to lose the weight. Although you took drugs to help, I am a strong believer that the drugs only decrease your appetitie to help you stay in control. But the true weight loss was thru your eating habits (or lack of eating in the case of weight loss) and exercise. Now that you have reached your goal, what plan do you have for continueing to stay down in the 150's? Just remember, in most cases, when you go off the drugs, your appetitie will return and you have to have a plan of action in place so you don't regain the weight. Good luck, and good luck with the insurance, I hope they cover you for this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jayjay" <jjf_71@notmail.com> Newsgroups: alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.rx Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:25 AM Subject: Re: Meridia/Wellbutrin/Slim-Fast progress > Good for you for making a strong effort to lose the weight. Although > you took drugs to help, I am a strong believer that the drugs only > decrease your appetitie to help you stay in control. But the true > weight loss was thru your eating habits (or lack of eating in the case > of weight loss) and exercise. To JAYJAY: I agree that the drugs are not the way to go. I'm 100% in concordance. But the problem is how to change eating habits. In my situation, it's a little bit different, because I don't live a 9-5 lifestyle, I live a 2-9 PM lifestyle, which leaves me at the gym around 11 PM at night. And that's where I think a lot of the problem is. It's hard to adjust my eating habits accordingly, and I end up eating before bed, or, waking up in the middle of the night, and eating carbs. I want to go to an eating disorders group, but I'm not able to, because ... working 2-9 just does not facilitate being able to go to group meetings and those sorts of things. I have no idea what I am going to do about going off Meridia, because I know I will have to. I will go back on the Wellbutrin, which helps as well, but, I don't know what to do in the future to keep in the 140s... (I'm trying to get under 150, I'm 5'6, male, 25 yrs). > But the problem is how to change eating habits. In my > situation, it's a little bit different, because I don't live a 9-5 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > does not facilitate being able to go to group meetings and those sorts of > things. These are all excuses. Bad ones, at that. Have you considered going to bed after work (say, around 11 pm) and getting up at 7 am and doing all sorts of things BEFORE work? That's what I did when I did shift work. In fact, I work both shifts now and I *still* manage to get my workouts in and eat healthy. And raise three children. We've all got 24 hours. It's up to you to choose what to do with them. Dally > These are all excuses. Bad ones, at that. Have you considered going to > bed after work (say, around 11 pm) and getting up at 7 am and doing all > sorts of things BEFORE work? That's what I did when I did shift work. > In fact, I work both shifts now and I *still* manage to get my workouts > in and eat healthy. And raise three children. > We've all got 24 hours. It's up to you to choose what to do with them. Respectfully... I say, fiddlesticks! I decry your suggestion that I should attempt to get up at 7 AM and try to get my routine things done. 11 PM bed? I wouldn't even be able to watch the news. People who work 9 to 5 don't even go to bed that early. Maybe people with nothing to do after 9 PM such as visiting friends and family. Further, it would be an awfully tiring day, starting work 7 hours after being awake. 9 to 5'ers don't get up at 2 AM, do they? People should get up around the time their work day starts, to be most efficient. Plus, even waking up at 7, the world does start to operate until 9, and banks and shops aren't even open till 10...which leaves me 2-3 hours to RUSH in a whirlwind to get anything done, if I want to be on time to work! Nonsense. Going to work to END one's day is a futile suggestion... I wouldn't recommend it to anyone! >>These are all excuses. Bad ones, at that. Have you considered going to >>bed after work (say, around 11 pm) and getting up at 7 am and doing all [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Nonsense. Going to work to END one's day is a futile suggestion... I > wouldn't recommend it to anyone! Still all excuses. I work 9 am until 9 pm most days this time of the year. I make healthy food choices and exercise because I choose to. When you choose to you will be able to do it. When you don't choose to you won't be able to fit it in. My wish for you is to gain some self-awareness. Dally > My wish for you is to gain some self-awareness. Oooo... That's harsh. You'd probably kill me if you read my previous post that I'm only trying to look good for the summer :) I want to try and get it together while I'm still young and not past it, hehehe... Mark 182/153/145 I agree with Dally here... I frequently work 9-11 hours a day in a fast, high stress environment where I am lucky to take a restroom break. Finding time to exercise is EASY when you know how to plan your day. I've been reading most of Mark's posts, and it does sound like he wants the easy way out and not make any real, actual lifestyle changes with the long term in mind. "Dally" <dally@myself.com> wrote in message > Still all excuses. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Dally > I agree with Dally here... I frequently work 9-11 hours a day in a fast, > high stress environment where I am lucky to take a restroom break. Finding > time to exercise is EASY when you know how to plan your day. I've been > reading most of Mark's posts, and it does sound like he wants the easy way > out and not make any real, actual lifestyle changes with the long term in > mind. My regular work day is 10 hours 4 days a week. I still find time to stop at Curves and exercise 2-3 days each week. If you want to exercise you'll find the time. > "Dally" <dally@myself.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > Dally Exactly. > My regular work day is 10 hours 4 days a week. I still find time to stop > at Curves and exercise 2-3 days each week. If you want to exercise you'll [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > > > Dally > Nonsense. Going to work to END one's day is a futile suggestion... I > wouldn't recommend it to anyone! I would! My husband and I both worked 3 to 11 for 5 years. I got up at 7am, had breakfast, did housework, prepared our main meal for noonish, quilted as a hobby and ran errands before going to work. Ate "lunch" brought from home at 6. Arrived home at 11:20, watched 15 minutes of Letterman, soaked 10 minutes in the hot tub and slept blissfully till 7. At the time exercise wasn't a priority, but it would have fit quite easily into time spent quilting. It was a very easy way to live. I'm just saying it's not such a radical suggestion. YMMV SignatureWalking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 > My husband and I both worked 3 to 11 for 5 years. I got up at 7am, had > breakfast, did housework, prepared our main meal for noonish, quilted as [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > time exercise wasn't a priority, but it would have fit quite easily into > time spent quilting. It was a very easy way to live. Well, it is easier for someone in a relationship to live that kind of lifestyle. But I'm trying to lose weight to FIND a relationship, so sleeping at 9 when I get home from work won't allow me to even socialize. I agree though, when I'm finally happy with someone, I'll probably go to bed at 11 watching letterman too (actually, I think it's on a little later in my timezone). Mark 182/153/145 > Well, it is easier for someone in a relationship to live that kind of > lifestyle. But I'm trying to lose weight to FIND a relationship, so sleeping > at 9 when I get home from work won't allow me to even socialize. Wow, you're a bottomless pit of excuses! Seriously, I don't mean to be so down on you, but you are sounding pretty silly. Dally, who met her husband before 9 pm when he was working the evening shift > August 03: I then went on Wellbutrin in August of 03, and I was around 172 > at the time. I also started Slim-Fast. I went to about 167 while on Wellby. Please tell me about the effects of Wellbutrin on weight loss. I take 150mg twice a day. Thanks for your help and support. L8r, Chuck :-) |
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