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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / March 2004New to the support group
So I've been feeling rather horrible lately and needing to get back into treating my body as I should. A little background... About 3 years ago I lost 120lbs, went from 310 to 190, in a span of two years. I had been diagnosed with gallstones and that combined with the end of my 7 year relationships was the "magic" combo I need to finally get off my butt. I had to eat extremely low fat because of the gallstones and I dealt with the breakup by exercising an hour every night, either through power walking or aquafit classes. The weight came off so easy, too easy. Over the past year though, I've regained 30lbs and I'm starting to feel physically horrible. My energy is low, and so is my motivation to do anything. I moan about how horrible I feel, but meanwhile doing something about it is like pulling teeth. And then there's trying to figure out how to deal with the urges to binge eat. It's like I have this niggly little monster inside of me that just wants to eat until I can't move. Maybe I'm tyring trying to fill an emotional hole? I'd like to know if anyone else is dealing with this combination of issues - the knowledge that you -have- to do something about the weight but the motivation to exercise is severely lacking along with the seemingly insatiable urge to binge eat. I look forward to hearing from others, thanks so much in advance. Jo-Anne > So I've been feeling rather horrible lately and needing to get > back into treating my body as I should. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Jo-Anne Welcome, Jo-Anne Personally, my life is severely in the toilet in every conceivable way except one: I'm exercising and eating healthier. No job for two (almost three) years (1000+ resumes sent, not even a phone call), no dates in the same period, lost car, burned through 30 years of retirement savings, favorite pet died recently, cousin has terminal cancer, so forth and so on. I have an urge to kill either myself or one or more several others on a daily basis, but when in the gym burning off stress pushing weights around, things get better. I used to eat donuts, but now I exercise. (hmmmm dounts! The desire is still there, but I don't indulge. Okay, a cookie now and then!) Anyway, you probably know all this, but just thought I'd refresh I'm losing weight by making small, but consistent changes. One thing about motivation: Just put one foot in front of the other to just do the minimum. Sometimes I just say, go to the gym and do one set on one machine 10 minutes on a tradmill, then I can leave. But once I get there and get into it, I do a lot more. Just my approach, there will be others. YMMV You are an amazing person if you can stick to healthy life, given your circumstances. I hope that your life turns better! i >> So I've been feeling rather horrible lately and needing to get >> back into treating my body as I should. [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Just my approach, there will be others. YMMV > You are an amazing person if you can stick to healthy life, > given your circumstances. I hope that your life turns better! [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] >> >> Just my approach, there will be others. YMMV Well, thanks. But really, it's the only thing I have any control over, so it's all I cling to. Progress is excruciatingly slow, but progress is progress. In slightly younger days, I've worked half as hard and had twice the results. Aging sucks. > Ignoramus21235 <ignoramus21235@NOSPAM.21235.invalid> wrote in >> You are an amazing person if you can stick to healthy life, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > progress is progress. In slightly younger days, I've worked half as > hard and had twice the results. Aging sucks. Well, I am not sure if I would be able to watch my health if my life was as bad as you described. So, you are right that that's the right thing to do, but it requires some guts also. i How about going back to school to do something else? I mean, I don't recall what you do, but I'd die if I was unemployed for that long... Sorry if that statement sounds ignorant. det > > So I've been feeling rather horrible lately and needing to get > > back into treating my body as I should. [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Just my approach, there will be others. YMMV >How about going back to school to do something else? I mean, I don't recall >what you do, but I'd die if I was unemployed for that long... Sorry if that >statement sounds ignorant. I agree with this. I did go back to school when I was 36 and then got a job with which I earned about 2 times what I earned before. To the newcomer, I hope this group will be helpful for you as much as it is helpful for me. I feel good and I look good now, and I think joing this group has helped me quite a lot. >>How about going back to school to do something else? I mean, I >>don't recall what you do, but I'd die if I was unemployed for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I feel good and I look good now, and I think joing this group > has helped me quite a lot. I posted a unabomber-esque diatribe to the previous post, so I won't repeat it. It isn't the money. I can make $100k a year *when* I'm working, *when* the moronic, highly volatile computer business is in an up cycle. I just don't like be physically ill because I can't find ANY work, or because they DEMAND you work 60 hours a week. It's a young person's business, and I ain't. If I won the lottery just enough to go back and retrain, I'd probably go for graphics or something. I've done some amazing things photograph post-processing, but I know there's a lot more I would need to learn. Then again, I can't risk a philosophy-type focus where it's interesting, but nobody would pay me. I want to retire at 60, but at this point, I'm starting completely from scratch, and that is very, very, very depressing. > How about going back to school to do something else? I mean, I > don't recall what you do, but I'd die if I was unemployed for [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] >> >> Just my approach, there will be others. YMMV Sorry, but NOT doing that...again! I went back to school (third college) at 32, graduated at 36, but circumstances then (1990) were about the same as now, so I was forced to back into the hated (and I mean HATED) computer business. In hindsight, I should have done an internship in film when in college (that was my major) and just lived in poiverty for a while. I would have been better off in the long run, but I was so tired of living in poverty as a college student, that the "fallback" career was too tempting. Like they say in the performing arts, if you have a fallback, you tend to fall back on it. I also discovered, the more I researched it, that the entertainment industry is extremely abusive and dysfunctional, as well as having an extremely high unemployment rate (93 percent at that time, probably worse now). I might have tried in anyway, just to find out for myself because you never know. Now, though, competing with 20-year-olds willing to work 70 hours a week doing grunt work, it's not an option. (15 years out, they wouldn't even talk to me anyway.) Anyway, there are two problems now. 1. I have no idea what I'd want to do and 2. Dead broke (schools usually want money, even for a short certificate program, which is all I'd be able to tolerate anyway. The other problem here is timing. This is March, and colleg classes (real ones) don't start again until September. By then I'll literally be living on a sewer grate. BTW, I started two business in that period, one in 2001 and one in 2002. Both failed. The first one because I because I spent half my advertizing budget on a direct mailing that went out--not making this up--September 10, 2001, and the other because of the recession. I actually made a profit on items I sold (on ebay mostly), but the listing fees on the items that didn't sell ate up all the profits and then some. (There was a actually a third business, unofficially, selling suplus stuff on ebay, which would have made a profit if it weren't for the freight charges to get the stuff to me. Most of the suppliers are in Texas, California or Illinois, all too far "FOB" miles from me to be feasible. The only things Massachusetts exports and cranberries and Democrats!) It ain't for lack of trying, but I have to admit I'm out of answers. > > How about going back to school to do something else? I mean, I > > don't recall what you do, but I'd die if I was unemployed for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > about the same as now, so I was forced to back into the hated (and > I mean HATED) computer business. Are you applying for positions in the computer business now? If so, could your lack of enthusiasm for it come across in your resume? I've worked in the IT environment for 30+ years and it can be tough getting a good job right now. So much of the business is being outsourced overseas. Our company is beginning to outsource a lot of the coding work but keeping the analysis and design in-house. Hope you find something soon. Beverly "Beverly" <bowens@home.woh.rr.com> wrote in news:%WF6c.32579 $8G2.18131@fe3.columbus.rr.com: > If so, could > your lack of enthusiasm for it come across in your resume? Basically, no. The simple reason is that it's the same resume I've used successfully in the past, with just a few updates and shortened a little. I've seen it "tough" before, 81-82, 90-91. Those don't hold a candle to this. The usual rule I've noticed in the past is that for every three inquiries, I'll get one interview, and for every 15 interviews, I'll get one offer (by extension, I'd need 45 inquiries (statistically) to get an offer. My last inquiry was October. I've been sending out resumes--in response to actual job postings--every day, miniumin three per day. So enthusiasm has nothing to with it. The job market has simply vanished. > "Beverly" <bowens@home.woh.rr.com> wrote in news:%WF6c.32579 > $8G2.18131@fe3.columbus.rr.com: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > So enthusiasm has nothing to with it. The job market has simply > vanished. Well, then you're going to have to either take a low paying job (Wal-Mart greeter if you're old enough), learn a new trade or find a piece of cardboard that you can write "Starving, please help!" on. Check into going back to school, there are lots of student loans available. You don't seem to be willing to explore your options but if there are *no* jobs, there are *no* jobs. My DH got his teaching certification because there are *no* computer jobs here anymore. Tonia > Well, then you're going to have to either take a low paying job (Wal-Mart > greeter if you're old enough), > Tonia He can't have the Wal-Mart greeter position - that's the one I want when I retire from this IT rat race :) > > Well, then you're going to have to either take a low paying job (Wal-Mart > > greeter if you're old enough), > Tonia > > > He can't have the Wal-Mart greeter position - that's the one I want when I > retire from this IT rat race :) 2 people, thousands of Wal-Marts, I don't see a problem. My guess is that he'll opt for the sign, though. Tonia >> > Well, then you're going to have to either take a low paying >> > job [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Tonia That was unneccesarily rude. alt. what was it again? > >> > Well, then you're going to have to either take a low paying > >> > job [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > That was unneccesarily rude. alt. what was it again? It's a diet newsgroup. Support doesn't mean we can't kid around. It was a bit of gallows humor. You feel too sorry for yourself. Read your posts, you sound like you've given up when you're not bragging about how much you used to make and how educated you are. Begging with a sign at the side of the road looks to be where you're headed with your attitude. Spring is here. Scrounge up a lawn mower and go around and cut grass. Lots of guys here do it. You aren't going to get another $90/hour job. You'll have to settle. Swallow your pride and quit talking about Phi Beta Kappa and maybe you'll stand a chance. You might also consider moving out of Mass. and to where there are some jobs. It won't be hard to pack if you're as destitute as you say you are. >> >> > Well, then you're going to have to either take a low >> >> > paying job [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > where there are some jobs. It won't be hard to pack if you're > as destitute as you say you are. A diet newsgroup with a thread that started with knee problems and weight control/exercise. Just because a topic wanders doen't grant you right to abuse. Kidding around and making fun of someone else's pain are different. Anyway, I was not bragging, and I've never, ever made $90/hr. (90k year, once) BTW, is this area, people cut their own grass because 95 percent of us have postage stamp lawns (it's only three month season anyway) or they hire a big-buck service. It's a mix of frugal (aka cheap) yankess and rich snobs. I have five rooms and a basement full of "stuff." I've already sold what was sellable. My "pride" as you so patronizing call it, does not prevent me from on occasion going trash picking and reselling stuff I've refinished or repaired. The trouble with no-pride jobs is that they (a) don't pay the minimum bills (I've already cut Everything that is cuttable, i.e. live with thermostat at 60) and (b) they eat up all the time I need to find something better. I could do handyman-type stuff, but there are a lot of people here doing that. Selling my house and moving is the only real solution I can think of now. I can't buy a cheaper house because they're aren't any here, and rent would cost more than I'm paying now---welcome to Boston. The IT jobs are the same the whole country. Every ad draws 1500 resumes (not making up the number). So "Where" isn't the problem, "What" is the problem. If I were a nurse (yuck), I could work anywhere. It *was* that way in IT just 3-4 years ago. There has to be a solution, but presistance doesn't always work. >> Well, then you're going to have to either take a low paying job >> (Wal-Mart greeter if you're old enough), > Tonia >> > He can't have the Wal-Mart greeter position - that's the one I > want when I retire from this IT rat race :) I know you folks think this is hilarious, or that I'm making excuses. It isn't, and I'm not. As someone who picked the absolute Worst time in the history of planet get out of the IT ratrace (two months before the rest of the department), you'd be better off to hold on to what you've got with both hands. 60 hours? Im possible deliverables? Yes, sir. Thank you sir! May I have another? Trust me when I say that if you've been unemployed before and think you know what it's like, you haven't. For those of us in IT, this isn't a downturn, it's a full-blown depression, and it may very well not come back. (Three million jobs have disappeared since 2000) I've been laid off four times, and all the previous times *combined* don't compare to this. I've pretty much made the decision that I'm a high-school dropout and starting from scratch (if I choose to bother). I'm just not going to waste hours every day pouring resumes into a black hole. Zero ROI. I'm going back to the idea of self-employment, though it's pretty tough with zero startup capital. >>> Well, then you're going to have to either take a low paying job >>> (Wal-Mart greeter if you're old enough), > Tonia [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Zero ROI. I'm going back to the idea of self-employment, though > it's pretty tough with zero startup capital. what were you doing in IT, specifically? can you learn something else? i > in article <Xns94B49E1FF3Bcomeonback@63.240.76.16>, OceanView > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > i In 28 years, I've done everything, most recently database development. Obviously, I'll have to learn someting else, but it will be something that won't put the power to ruin my life at whim of one bafoon. In other words, I'll have own business, where the worst that can happen is losing a client or two. There are "other" things that can go wrong of course! > In other words, I'll have own business, where the > worst that can happen is losing a client or two. Um. Hmmm. I am debating whether to comment here. You think it's tough to get one job? What happens when you need to line up 300 smaller jobs AND do the work AND collect the money (eventually) all WHILE lining up the NEXT 300 smaller jobs? You don't "have your own business". That's way too passive a way to phrase it. You bust your a.s trying to float your own business. It's not something that you can just accidently fall into when nothing else comes along. At least not in my experience. By the way, as if you can't tell, I not only have my own business, but my business is in providing business advice to roughly 300 clients. It took me 6 years from the time I decided to open this until I actually got it off the ground. Dally >> In other words, I'll have own business, where the >> worst that can happen is losing a client or two. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Dally I already ran two businesses, so I do know what it takes. You never really stop thinking about it. I did learn what NOT to do, which is one reason I started low-capital businesses. One thing that I'm trying to do is start something that has a lot of growth potention out of the "S" quadrant (Robert Kyosaki's Cashflow Quadrant), meaning that it won't always be me doing the work. The service type self-employment businesses make that difficult. > >> Well, then you're going to have to either take a low paying job > >> (Wal-Mart greeter if you're old enough), > Tonia [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I know you folks think this is hilarious, or that I'm making > excuses. It isn't, and I'm not. OV I certainly wasn't making fun of your being out of work. It's a joke in my department about my becoming a Wal-Mart greeter when I retire. I'm nearing retirement age and my boss keeps asking me about my retirement plans. I told him they were building a new Wal-Mart superstore near my home and it would be ready soon. I think he's worried because I support one of the crappiest systems in our department and no one else wants it. It's 20+ years old, needs major rework and gets passed over for funding all the time because we've been able to keep it running by patch, patch, patch. I'm sure you've come across one of those systems in your career. Beverly >> >> Well, then you're going to have to either take a low paying >> >> job (Wal-Mart greeter if you're old enough), > Tonia [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Beverly Thanks. Yes, I have! I work on a y2k project at Nortel that was written in the early 80's and Noboby had the source code! Even more scary is that this was the customer information database for ALL purchaers of NT's DMS-10 phone switch that was being run at many phone company offices areound the world. It was tha main switchboard system at many Telco's. I was doing this in 1998 because on Jan, 2000 I would have completely stopped working! You'd think they might have addressed this problem a little sooner! >> "Beverly" <bowens@home.woh.rr.com> wrote in news:%WF6c.32579 >> $8G2.18131@fe3.columbus.rr.com: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Tonia I've already tried that. So far, I've been rejected by Lowes, Home Depot, Stop & Shop, two temp agencies, and so on. Trust me when I say that there's nothing more demenaing than getting rejected for a $6.60 job when you're a member of Phi Beta Kappa and made $90 two years ago. If I had a family, or could find a date even, maybe I'd see some reason to push through it. Right now I don't even know why I get out of bed. > I've already tried that. So far, I've been rejected by Lowes, Home > Depot, Stop & Shop, two temp agencies, and so on. Trust me when I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > reason to push through it. Right now I don't even know why I get > out of bed. Did you put on the applications that you used to make $90/hr.? If so, that could be enough to make you get rejected if they know you're going to leave as soon as you find something better. >> I've already tried that. So far, I've been rejected by Lowes, >> Home Depot, Stop & Shop, two temp agencies, and so on. Trust [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If so, that could be enough to make you get rejected if they > know you're going to leave as soon as you find something better. 90k/year, and no. Usually, I list my last employer but omit salary. > >> "Beverly" <bowens@home.woh.rr.com> wrote in news:%WF6c.32579 > >> $8G2.18131@fe3.columbus.rr.com: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > reason to push through it. Right now I don't even know why I get > out of bed. Your depression and desperation are probably showing during your interviews. You have no support network of friends/family/church that can help you? If you don't, find a church, make some friends and see if someone there can point you towards some social interaction and maybe a connection for a job. I know it's a clich? but clich?s are based on real circumstances. Good luck Tonia > Your depression and desperation are probably showing during your > interviews. You have no support network of friends/family/church > that can help you? If you don't, find a church, make some > friends and see if someone there can point you towards some > social interaction and maybe a connection for a job. I know it's > a clich? but clich?s are based on real circumstances. I have a limited support network, and I've completely exhausted it. I'm pretty bad a social things (I have social phobia, which is what started my withdrawing and eating origially). I do have a small group of semi-friends, but since half of them ar also unemployed, they aren't much help. I think looking for some new connections is a good idea, though. I really think I just need to find something I don't hate long enough to figure out I want to do. Mentally, I need to break free of this computer crap and realize that there are other things I could do. >I have a limited support network, and I've completely exhausted it. >I'm pretty bad a social things (I have social phobia, which is what [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >to figure out I want to do. Mentally, I need to break free of this >computer crap and realize that there are other things I could do. I missed the original post to this thread, so I apologize if I repeat what others might have already said regarding your unemployment situation... I agree with you that perhaps you should break free of all the computer crap. In my experience, as yours, seemingly many of the computer/IT jobs (especially database jobs) have been shipped over seas and are not coming back. Unfortunately, if you currently do not work for the government, finding a "good paying" computer job is next to impossible in many areas of the country. I myself, have been "technically" unemployed since December 2001. At my last full-time "real" job I was an HRIS Administrator for a private company where I designed an Access database to interact with the HRIS database and software. After that job I had one contract database job that lasted only two months. In my opinion most businesses contract out their database work (thinking they can save a lot of money), when in fact they should have someone on their staff at least part-time to manage the database, but that is another story... Although I don't have as much experience as the original poster, in computers and programming, I have been working in the computer field since 1990. I have finally decided that there is more to life than sitting in front of a cubicle and working on computers. For the past three years I have been doing legal contract writing at home and selling honey at farmer's markets. I don't know if I will ever go back to doing the "computer thing" for a full time job. Of course, at my age (37) I doubt any company would hire me for a computer job, if there was any computer job available to be hired for. Take my word for it, (I worked in HR and heard and saw all the ageism horror stories firsthand), most businesses stay clear of any one who seems to be over the age of 35, has a bachelor's degree, has worked many jobs that paid well over minimum wage, and is currently unemployed, even retail outlets such as Home Depot and Walmart. Like the original poster, I have sent out numerous resumes over the past three years, and have had only one interview (and that was for a government job, that I never got). I used to get depressed over the fact that no one "wanted" me, but now I don't care, because I realized that I can get by doing other things. In fact I am seriously thinking about perhaps becoming a car salesman, or saleslady I should say. I figure they can't really outsource that job...yet. I have also been thinking about trying to get a dishwasher job. I figure restaurants will always be around. Maybe I can work my way up to being a waitress, they make OK money. Anyway, on the plus side. When I was working my last full-time computer job I was 136 pounds and steadily gaining weight as I was a typical computer slug. Over the past two years I have last 30 pounds and now weigh 106, of which I have maintained for one year. I also have run a half a marathon twice, and average 10 minutes a mile for my regular runs. I feel 100% better physically and mentally than I ever did working as a computer slug. So my advice to the original poster, for what it is worth, is to: 1. Try find a cheap place to live (with your family perhaps) 2. Continue to send out your resume (but DO NOT list your salaries, and if you have a secondary degree above an associates, you may want to omit that also if the job does not call for a degree) 3. Continue to apply for those crappy minimum wage jobs (even though they will probably reject you) 4. Perhaps apply for sales jobs (they usually take anyone because they are commission based) Most important: start on your new WOE, and begin exercising at least 4 times a week. Summer, in my opinion, is the best time to begin an exercise program. Get outside and walk for one to two hours a day. Especially if you are unemployed, you should have much more time to exercise than if you were working a 40+ hour a week job. In my experience, eventually a "job" will show up, usually when you are not looking for it. Take care. peabody >I myself, have been "technically" unemployed since December 2001. At >my last full-time "real" job I was an HRIS Administrator for a private [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >in fact they should have someone on their staff at least part-time to >manage the database, but that is another story... I'll run with that "other story"... as the "internal database" person. I get stuffed with doing alot of access programming. And let me tell you - I WISH it was outsourced!!! Because when its insourced like we have, then you get every Joe and his brother wanting their database setup *their* way... >>On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:45:38 GMT, OceanView <me@TheSea.com> >>wrote: [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > > peabody Thanks, that was very uplifting (well, except for the living with family part!). I am probably going to sell my house and move someplace cheaper (which excludes New York, Honalulu and Monaco, but anyplace else will be). I'm trying to find a way to mentally detach from the "nobody wants me" thoughts. The reality is that I don't want them either. I remember a converstion at a party years ago when I guy I respected said he was studying real estate. "You can't do this work forever" he told me. It does have a high burnout rate, and I was realistically toast a long time ago. Hi OV, Does your state offer any re-education programs? My mom switched from being a computer programmer to teaching, after completing a re-education program. Life sucks without a job. What was it that you were doing in computers, specifically? Have you tried buying garage sale stuff and reselling it on ebay? Try figuring out why they reject you as an applicant. Adjust your resume accordingly. There are many tricks to finding a job. i > Hi OV, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > i I'll have to find something like that. I've done database software (all different systems) over the last ten years or so. I was a systems programmer at Harvard, did "gui" development at IBM, and so on. I have done the ebay thing (I still have "power seller" next to my id, though I'm no longer a PS). I found out that I'm not very good at judging what will sell, and buying it at a price that will turn a profit. I really don't know how to find out why they reject me other than that they have 1500 resumes from people who will work cheaper, or at lease that's the perception. In other words, I "would" work cheaper, but my age and expereince suggests that I wouldn't so they don't bother to ask. I'm not lyning when I say that I've sent hundreds, at this point probably thousands of resumes out with a single phone call or email, let alone an interview. This is just pointless. I'm ready to try something else just because nothing could possibly be any worse, mathematically impossible to be worse than zero! > > Hi OV, > > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > I'm ready to try something else just because nothing could possibly > be any worse, mathematically impossible to be worse than zero! You don't even get interviews? You definitely need to get someone to critique your resume! I did a search for "boston"+"help wanted" and found this page: http://bostonworks.boston.com/events/networking_events/ Are you using these resources? >> > Hi OV, >> > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Are you using these resources? Yes, though most of those networkwing events don't produce much more than stress. Bostonworks has a lot of jobs (though you'll note that 3/4 of them have red stars, meaning they're headhunters, and meaning that there's a good change the jobs are fake resume- trolling ads. Times have changed a lot, but three years ago I was getting 3-5 calls per week when I wasn't looking, so my resume can't be *that* bad. I've actually rewritten it twice in the last year and often rewrite pieces of it on the fly for particular jobs. Same result. > Times have changed a lot, but three years ago I was getting 3-5 > calls per week when I wasn't looking, so my resume can't be *that* > bad. I've actually rewritten it twice in the last year and often > rewrite pieces of it on the fly for particular jobs. Same result. can you post it, sans your name and employers names? i >> Times have changed a lot, but three years ago I was getting 3-5 >> calls per week when I wasn't looking, so my resume can't be [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > i I've pretty much decided to scrap it and look for something else. I had an actual phone interview on Friday. Thirty seconds into it I knew that once again, they wanted sombody current on the technology of the week. I've just had enough. And as if I needed more reasons, read on. Note my double asterisks** SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) -- Outsourcing white-collar jobs to low-wage countries such as India and China has thrown some Americans out of work, but a new report predicts that the trend will ultimately lower inflation, create jobs and boost productivity in the United States. The Information Technology Association of America, in a survey set for release Tuesday, acknowledges that the migration of tech jobs to low-paid foreigners has eliminated 104,000 American jobs so far, nearly 3 percent of the positions in the U.S. tech industry. **Software engineers have been particularly hard hit. Researchers at Global Insight Inc., which prepared the report for the ITAA, predicted that demand for U.S. software engineers would shrink through 2008. But ITAA leaders emphasized that outsourcing has damaged the job market far less than the dot-com meltdown of early 2000, when Internet startups, telecom companies and other companies eliminated as many as 268,000 positions.** "The myth is that we've started this long decline into the midnight of the technology work force," ITAA president Harris Miller said. "This report shows that, assuming the recovery continues, the number of IT jobs will actually increase." Indian programmers earn roughly one-sixth the $60,000 U.S. average, and Chinese engineers earn even less. Outsourcing dramatically reduces labor costs, allowing companies to sell goods ranging from software to tax-preparation services at lower costs or higher profit margins. Greater profits theoretically allow companies to buy new equipment, build laboratories and conduct scientific experiments -- even in expensive Silicon Valley and other U.S. tech hubs. Savings from outsourcing allowed companies to create 90,000 new jobs in 2003, with more than one in 10 of them in Silicon Valley or elsewhere in California, researchers said. The report predicts that in 2008, outsourcing will create 317,000 jobs -- 34,000 in California. Companies spent $10 billion last year to outsource jobs ranging from medical transcription to nanotechnology research. The ITAA predicted the companies would spend $31 billion in 2008. Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry introduced economic proposals Friday that he said would reduce the sting for outsourced workers. More than two dozen states are considering bans on outsourcing government contracts. Such legislation would be "protectionist" and "unwise," according to the ITAA, whose 500 members include Microsoft Corp., Hewlett- Packard Corp. and Amazon.com. But Cynthia Kroll, senior regional economist at the University of California, Berkeley, said policy makers can't afford to ignore outsourcing. "If R&D is coming out of India, will the next wave of growth bypass us entirely?" Kroll asked. "We need to pay attention to what India and China and these other countries are doing to get these new rounds of investment." > I'll have to find something like that. I've done database software > (all different systems) over the last ten years or so. I was a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > at judging what will sell, and buying it at a price that will turn > a profit. I see. I used to resell ebay stuff for pocket money (first garage sales, then military surplus), but now do not do as much of it as margins became slimmer and I am too busy with exercises and my toddler. Still, I think, if you try to buy very low and resell, you will make money. > I really don't know how to find out why they reject me other than > that they have 1500 resumes from people who will work cheaper, or [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > single phone call or email, let alone an interview. This is just > pointless. I suggest that you fudge your resume, specifically by omitting some past work to make it sound like you are not priced out of the target job market. > I'm ready to try something else just because nothing could possibly > be any worse, mathematically impossible to be worse than zero! it is always possible to be worse. So, try making money in any way possible. Garage sales will soon go in full swing, etc, lots of businesses always want to hire people for cash as well. I know that a lot of people on social security work for cash. i > In article <Xns94B4C3EA0270Ccomeonback@63.240.76.16>, OceanView > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > and my toddler. Still, I think, if you try to buy very low and > resell, you will make money. The "buy very low" part is the real enigma for me. Walmart can do this because they buy in millions of units. I'm trying to some with some product line that's unusual enough to reduce the competetion. Ebay has so many sellers, all the usual things are highly competitive. >> I really don't know how to find out why they reject me other >> than that they have 1500 resumes from people who will work [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > some past work to make it sound like you are not priced out of > the target job market. Actually I have, but maybe need more. I only show 10 years on my resume out of the 28 I've worked. That's the standard formula. >> I'm ready to try something else just because nothing could >> possibly be any worse, mathematically impossible to be worse >> than zero! > > it is always possible to be worse. No, I mean zero imcome, zero results. > So, try making money in any way possible. Garage sales will soon > go in full swing, etc, lots of businesses always want to hire > people for cash as well. I know that a lot of people on social > security work for cash. Where do I find these? Do you mean summer-type jobs? > i >> In article <Xns94B4C3EA0270Ccomeonback@63.240.76.16>, OceanView >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > competetion. Ebay has so many sellers, all the usual things are > highly competitive. At garage sales, buying very low means that you walk away from most sellers because you could not agree on price. If you find yourself striking a deal on most things you are considering reselling on ebay, you are paying too much (unless you really know what you are doing). So, suppose that someone sells a used gizmo that you know costs X, for 1/3 X. Offer to pay 1/7X, raise the offer to 1/6 X, if you two do not agree, walk away. >>> I really don't know how to find out why they reject me other >>> than that they have 1500 resumes from people who will work [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Actually I have, but maybe need more. I only show 10 years on my > resume out of the 28 I've worked. That's the standard formula. not unreasonable. Like Isaid, maybe post it here, without any names of course. >> So, try making money in any way possible. Garage sales will soon >> go in full swing, etc, lots of businesses always want to hire >> people for cash as well. I know that a lot of people on social >> security work for cash. > > Where do I find these? Do you mean summer-type jobs? For example, working at stores moving stuff around, etc. i >I've already tried that. So far, I've been rejected by Lowes, Home >Depot, Stop & Shop, two temp agencies, and so on. Trust me when I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >reason to push through it. Right now I don't even know why I get >out of bed. Yowza!!!! That does sound like a ruff situation there. You mention being in "computers" but that is such a broad catagory - what part of computers are you in? And secondly - what are your degrees in? You mention going back to school a few times, how many degrees do you hold and in what catagory? Have you considered working with your local employment agencies for a job replacement/retraining in order to find something new? > Have you considered working with your local employment agencies > for a job replacement/retraining in order to find something new? That's a thought. I won't bore you with all the details, but I started on mainframes in the mid-70's, did "mini's" for a while, Apple II, PC's yada yada yada. I started in applications, did systems program for a few years, then systems software, then sort of full circle back to PC gui-database development. I figured out once that I've learned more than 50 computer languages! I've worked on more than 10 different database systems, let's see if I can remember them (SQL/DS, DB2, Paradox, Dbase (I,II,II,IV), F-Risk (one that I wrote), Model204, Oracle, Access, SQL-Server, MySql, and probably a few can't remember! Sherman, set the way-back machine. The year, 1976. What I started on: IBM 370-145: Size: about 9 refrigerators Cost: $2.1 million Memory: 256k (yes, k), 200k added at $500,000 (another 2 fridges) 5 disk drives, capacity 230 meg each (5 washing machines) Input: IBM 2501 Hollorith Card reader (80 column punch cards) Output: IBM 1403 printer, 3 pages per minute (on a good day) Tape drives: 2 Monitors/workstations: 0 (real programmers don't need monitors) OS: IBM OS/VS1, 5 partitions > Sherman, set the way-back machine. The year, 1976. What I started > on: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Monitors/workstations: 0 (real programmers don't need monitors) > OS: IBM OS/VS1, 5 partitions You started on a big one<g> My first job was on an IBM 360-25 (1970). We were a DOS shop at the time. We switched to OS when we upgraded to the 370 series. Beverly > > Sherman, set the way-back machine. The year, 1976. What I started > > on: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Beverly giggle... I remember being in 5th grade and getting my first pc - Apple IIe w/ dual floppies. I learned basic or whatever it was called back then - but it basically was basic. But all that was lost for me until the early 90's when I went back to school and had to get a PC - got an 8086 at the time and within a couple months I went and got a 286 w/ window 3.1 when it came out. I also worked on mac Classics at the time and that was the first "networking" I ever did. You 2 make me feel young again. :) I've only learned DOS in the past 6 yrs - out of neccessity (well, it is so much easier to do things and its basic). > giggle... I remember being in 5th grade and getting my first pc - Apple > IIe w/ dual floppies. I learned basic or whatever it was called back > then - but it basically was basic. I remember beta testing Macintosh computers at Rutgers U. We didn't get Apples at my HS until after I graduated. My computer classes were on the mainframe and everyone fought to use the only CRT in the room. I did my COBOL programs on punchcards. > But all that was lost for me until the early 90's when I went back to school > and had to get a PC - got an 8086 at the time and within a couple months I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > yrs - out of neccessity (well, it is so much easier to do things and its > basic). I learned DOS out of necessity in 1992 when my company came out with DOS based billing software. As the youngest Tech Consultant in the dept the boss chose me to take home a PC and learn DOS and the billing software over the weekend so I could show everyone how it worked that Monday. Thank goodness for DOS for Dummies! Jenn >> giggle... I remember being in 5th grade and getting my first pc - Apple >> IIe w/ dual floppies. I learned basic or whatever it was called back [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >mainframe and everyone fought to use the only CRT in the room. I did my >COBOL programs on punchcards. I remember seeing computers in high school, but we weren't allowed to use them. In 1990 when I went back for my AS degree, we worked on the mainframes to learn Cobol and Pascal. Not on punch cards though - I've never seen one. :-) >I learned DOS out of necessity in 1992 when my company came out with DOS >based billing software. As the youngest Tech Consultant in the dept the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Jenn When I started working at this job 6 yrs ago, I considered DOS to be like staying at a friends house at night, where you have to stumble around in the dark to find the bathroom. I could stumble my way thru it, but /? was my best friend. :-) I had a guy at work that had been here as the lead cadd tech for years, and he was the one guy who I had to gain respect from. We nicknamed him "Must Know Dos"... as he is mid 40's single, never been married, tech geek. His highlight of his evenings are the shows on Tech TV. He used to drive me nuts in the first couple years I worked here, coming in and trying to "test" me and I always said it was because he couldn't get a date. So we used to say we should take out a personal add to get him a date, title: "Must Know Dos".... :-) Now, I tend to do most my troublshooting in dos. :) >>> giggle... I remember being in 5th grade and getting my first >>> pc - Apple IIe w/ dual floppies. I learned basic or whatever [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Now, I tend to do most my troublshooting in dos. :) I do miss the DOS days if only the simplicity. No viruses, re-boot took 15 seconds. A big program was 80k. > > > Sherman, set the way-back machine. The year, 1976. What I started > > > on: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > yrs - out of neccessity (well, it is so much easier to do things and its > basic). http://oldcomputers.net/ibm5150.html This was my first computer. I never did any programming on the PC's - I've been a mainframer for 34 years<g> I used it mainly to dial-in to work. When you support systems that run on third shift it's nice to be able to fix any problems from home instead of driving into work in the middle of the night. The kids weren't allowed to play on this thing as they cost an arm and a leg when they first hit the market. This thing had zilch on it..... DOS on the mainframe was a lot different than on the pc. I doubt I remember much of the pc DOS. Beverly > giggle... I remember being in 5th grade and getting my first pc - Apple > IIe w/ dual floppies. I learned basic or whatever it was called back > then - but it basically was basic. I've always been a PC person, so if you want to call an Apple a PC, I'll certainly understand.... : ) Martha > > Have you considered working with your local employment agencies > > for a job replacement/retraining in order to find something new? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > wrote), Model204, Oracle, Access, SQL-Server, MySql, and probably a > few can't remember! Gosh, with a history like that, I can't believe you aren't into web development in some shop somewhere. Or DB admin. Is it because of location? would relocating be an option? Then again, is it also age related - especially with the IT generation pumping out so many young guns. Even I am feeling old these days and i'm only 32. > Sherman, set the way-back machine. The year, 1976. What I started > on: Ok Mr. Peabody. :) I loved that show - and it was so educational too! > IBM 370-145: > Size: about 9 refrigerators [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Monitors/workstations: 0 (real programmers don't need monitors) > OS: IBM OS/VS1, 5 partitions >> > Have you considered working with your local employment >> > agencies for a job replacement/retraining in order to find [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> Monitors/workstations: 0 (real programmers don't need monitors) >> OS: IBM OS/VS1, 5 partitions I've a little Web stuff, but basically I've become an old fart and I don't want to start-over yet again--doing the same basic thing (if/then/else). If I have to do that, and apparently I do, I want to do something totally new, like lion-taming! I mad a promise to myself about 15 years ago that I would NOT be writing if/then/else for a living when I'm 50. I may be saying "want fries with that?" though. > >> > Have you considered working with your local employment > >> > agencies for a job replacement/retraining in order to find [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > writing if/then/else for a living when I'm 50. I may be saying > "want fries with that?" though. You've probably got me blocked but I have one more suggestion. You mentioned being rejected by three temp agencies. Did they straight out tell you that they couldn't use you or say they'd call you if anything came up? It's been my experience working as a temp that you have to bug the bejesus out of some of them before they put you on their list of folks that they actually call. Here Snelling is bad about having a few favorites who get all the assignments. I would call them everyday and ask "Are there any assignments I could do?" I finally got to where I was a favorite. Make sure that they know that you'd take typist and filing assignments or general clerical too. Btw, don't consider moving to Santa Fe, NM. DH wanted to get a job teaching there at the Indian School (that's unpc but that's what they call it) and after pricing the housing, rentals and for sale, decided we couldn't afford to live there on anything less than $100,000 a year! Tonia >> >> > Have you considered working with your local employment >> >> > agencies for a job replacement/retraining in order to find [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > Tonia Thanks, I'll have to bug them. They tell me to check in once a week, but say they don't have anything. Frankly, I ahte doing that, but I'll do what I have to. Thanks for tip on Santa Fe. I'm beginning to think all the major US cities are becoming too expensive to live in. > So enthusiasm has nothing to with it. The job market has simply > vanished. I agree with this. I sincerely doubt you'll ever get a 90K job coding Fortran on the 128 Strip. Wang isn't hiring, Digital isn't hiring... your career went away. I used to be an Ada programmer for a defense contractor. I got out in '93 and re-careered into being a CPA. You're 50, overweight, unemployable, with a social phobia (does that mean a nasty personality?) and your plan is to keep doing the same thing over and over again until it starts working again? I know that's cruelly put, but part of what we do in this newsgroup is point out that the things that aren't working for you are precisely the ones that need to be changed. Can you name three things you could do differently? Dally >I used to be an Ada programmer for a defense contractor. Interesting! Did you know SofTech in Waltham? I worked there for years; they were one of the leaders in the early days of Ada. I did lots of work involving Ada, but a bit more on the R&D side rather than large-scale programming. (I don't know if I've ever mentioned that I lived in the Boston area before moving down here to Virginia. I was up there from 1972 to 1988 -- at Raytheon the first four years, then SofTech.) Chris >>I used to be an Ada programmer for a defense contractor. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Chris Interesting. We probably parked next to each other at 460 Totten Pond road at some point. I worked there 1983-1984. I worked on the secret project on the 4th floor. Ironically, a few years later I went to work for the "customer" in RTP,North Carolina. >> So enthusiasm has nothing to with it. The job market has simply >> vanished. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Dally I'm not "unemployable" as you so tactfully put it. And I'm not the dinosaur Fortran programmer. (Thanks Christ for that). I've done Oracle and Access, I can do object modelling, use cases and most of the modern stuff. I'm a little behind on web programming, but I can do perl, ASP, Frontpage and so on. I know you enjoy put-downs and hate being wrong, but in this case you are. It's simply supply and demand issue, but the demand is weak and most of the supply is coming from overseas (which should be illegal, IMO). I'm working on the overweight issue and making good progress (235, started at 255), and at 6'3 I don't really have far to go. I workout 6 days a weak. That's action I' taking and I don't need to change. I'm not quite 50, but there's not much I can do about that. On one point, I agree: the job thing isn't working and I so despise the industry (which is very youth oriented anyway--iteresting surverys on realrates.com), I don't want to work in it anyway. I just need to STOP the BLEEDING so I can find something else. It's literally impossible to think cleary when you're losing everything. Regarging social phobia. You're calling *me* nasty. Read your posts honey. I'm nasty to people who are nasty with me first. Here's a challenge for you: Find ONE post of mine where I weas nast first. I can sae you the time because you won't find one. BTW, socia-phobia is a very serious, and much more common condition that you think (listed in the DSM-IV since 1979). I would not be overweight if I didn't have it. (It's often confused with post- traumatic-stress-disorder) Visit the alt.support.social-phobia group if you want to know more, but I'm guessing you won't. Apparently you aready know everything. >>> So enthusiasm has nothing to with it. The job market has simply >>> vanished. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > group if you want to know more, but I'm guessing you won't. > Apparently you aready know everything. Ho OV, Dally is genuinely trying to be helpful, in a way that she finds most efficient. She does not get a kick out of insulting people like certain other posters do. She does possess what can be called either bluntness, or lack of tact. I have the same problem. Sometimes people who up here whose main goal is to build a great framework for denying reality. Then that framework is questioned, they blow up like I was going to take away their virginity or something. If my previous message was not interpreted by you correctly, I will be clearer. I suggest that you lie on your resume to make it more appealing. Just make sure that you really have the skills that you list in your experience. Omit a few past employers, etc. I do not lie on my resume because I do not need to, but in situations like yours, it is quite morally acceptable. i > In article <Xns94B6976C72361comeonback@204.127.204.17>, > OceanView wrote: [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > i Thanks, i. Dally is generally helpful, though there are some things people don't understand about me and I'm fairly sensitive about when people trivialize them. Anyway, I'm *already* lying on my resume, like most people! I'l have to come up with more creative, desirable lies, or truths respun! > So I've been feeling rather horrible lately and needing to get back > into treating my body as I should. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > to do anything. I moan about how horrible I feel, but meanwhile doing > something about it is like pulling teeth. I know what it is like to be in that pit, know you are in the pit, know you have to get out of it but don't know how to. > And then there's trying to figure out how to deal with the urges to > binge eat. It's like I have this niggly little monster inside of me > that just wants to eat until I can't move. Maybe I'm tyring trying to > fill an emotional hole? Do you feel emotionally "empty"? For me, I am obsessive compulsive, orally fixated and have an addictive personality. A deadly combination unless kept under control. On the other hand, being thinner could leave you feeling more vulnerable. Are you going thru a very difficult time right now? What do you think is causing you to gain weight??? > I'd like to know if anyone else is dealing with this combination of > issues - the knowledge that you -have- to do something about the > weight but the motivation to exercise is severely lacking along with > the seemingly insatiable urge to binge eat. I have dealt with similar issues all of my life. I have gone from 324 to 224 to 284 to 210 over the past 5 years, so I know what it is like to yo yo. My motivation was the fact that I was getting ready to turn 35, I was 284 and smoked. I knew that if I didn't make lifestyle changes, I wouldn't see 40. My life hasn't been the happiest or easiest, but I still love living. My motivation is because I am SICK and TIRED of being fat. I want to feel good about myself, I want to be healthy. I want to spend the rest of my life fitting into movie theater seats. My motivation is my desire to be healthy and feel good. My motivation is to love myself for once and quit trying to kill myself with food and smoke. Since I am obsessive compulsive, I am learning to replace my food and smoke addiction with exercise. Regarding the binge eating.. have you thought about seeking professional health from someone that specializes with eating disorders? You can do anything you want to if you want it enough. You have proven that you know how to lose weight by the tremendous progress you've made in the past. Don't give up on life. > I look forward to hearing from others, thanks so much in advance. > > Jo-Anne Hark! I heard hair_@hotmail.com (J.P.) say: <snip> > Over the past year though, I've regained 30lbs and I'm starting to > feel physically horrible. My energy is low, and so is my motivation [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > weight but the motivation to exercise is severely lacking along with > the seemingly insatiable urge to binge eat. At one time, yes, I had similar issues. I weighed 275 lbs (I'm only 5'4"), and I knew I needed to get healthy. Yet Id still wind up eating an entire bag of microwave popcorn slathered with 1/2 cube of melted butter, then following that up with 3-4 candy bars.The worst of all, I *didn't accept* that I had a problem with food -- after all, my husband ate more at meal time than I did. One day, I noticed that our insurance company would help pay for weight loss if one was morbidly obese. I had finally realized that if I didn't do something, I wouldn't live long enough to see my grandchildren. Yet I still couldn't seem to get in gear. I was pinning my hopes on weight loss surgery, but still eating like there was no tomorrow. What seems so weird to me now is that the past few years have been really good for me. Happily married, great kid (he's 6), no major money issues. So it took me a long time, but I realized that I was still fat because I honestly didn't *want* to lose weight. I was too comfortable hiding from life. Being overweight, for me, was a kind of security blanket. There are fewer emotional risks involved in that lifestyle. I could hide inside of myself -- and I'm a rather shy person, so all the better. People didn't seem to expect much out of me; after all, I'm fat so I must be lazy too, you know the stereotypes. And if I got to feeling low, the food would comfort me; at least until after I ate it, then I'd start hating myself for having no control. I wanted to go back to college, get a job outside the house, start a business, do *something*! But I was afraid to try, afraid that I would fail. So I hid in my comfy little world of eating whatever and whenever I wanted to. I'm not sure why things have changed so much for me now. I've lost 35 pounds (11 via diet and exercise, 24 from being an undiagnosed Type2 diabetic). At 240 pounds, I'm still fat, but I don't *feel* fat, if you see what I mean. I feel better, more open, certainly busier. I no longer hide from my problems, I talk about my weight and weight loss openly. I'm planning to take a class this fall (money permitting). I'm talking to people about getting some part time work. I volunteer more at my son's school, and have made a lot of new friends. Some of this is scary for me, but I believe I can do it. Having a newsgroup like this one really helps. I guess I just got tired of hiding from life. I don't know if your issues are motivated by similar problems, and sorry this is so long, but maybe knowing you're not alone will help. Best wishes on getting back to a healthier lifestyle, I truly believe that if I could do it, you can too... :-)  SignatureJ.J. in WA State (251/240/150 - Type2 Since 02/04) "J.J. in WA State" > At one time, yes, I had similar issues. I weighed 275 lbs (I'm only > 5'4"), and I knew I needed to get healthy. Yet Id still wind up > eating an entire bag of microwave popcorn slathered with 1/2 cube of > melted butter, then following that up with 3-4 candy bars.The worst > of all, I *didn't accept* that I had a problem with food -- after all, > my husband ate more at meal time than I did. Been there done that... No one ever saw me eat a large meal. I would eat sensible meals and hide my binges. I remember eating 3-4 (or more) candy bars in under 15 mins. They were easy to hide in my glove compartment. > One day, I noticed that our insurance company would help pay for > weight loss if one was morbidly obese. I had finally realized that > if I didn't do something, I wouldn't live long enough to see my > grandchildren. Yet I still couldn't seem to get in gear. I was > pinning my hopes on weight loss surgery, but still eating like > there was no tomorrow. It is amazing that they freaking pay for surgery but won't pay for us to be on a doctor supervised diet. > What seems so weird to me now is that the past few years have been > really good for me. Happily married, great kid (he's 6), no major > money issues. So it took me a long time, but I realized that I was > still fat because I honestly didn't *want* to lose weight. I was > too comfortable hiding from life. Yup, again... been there done that. > Being overweight, for me, was a kind of security blanket. There are > fewer emotional risks involved in that lifestyle. I could hide inside [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > food would comfort me; at least until after I ate it, then I'd start > hating myself for having no control. J.J., I could have written the above paragraph. It is so nice to know that there are people out there that have been through what I've been thru as far as binging food addiction. Every sentance is me. I am very shy in social situations, but not shy in my job. I was so shy in high school that I didn't date much or go to my prom because I never socialized with guys. I was so painfully shy, I was scared to. > I wanted to go back to college, get a job outside the house, start > a business, do *something*! But I was afraid to try, afraid that I > would fail. So I hid in my comfy little world of eating whatever and > whenever I wanted to. Yup... blame the fat for causing you not to succeed in school or work or whatever else you can fill in the blank with. > I'm not sure why things have changed so much for me now. I've lost 35 > pounds (11 via diet and exercise, 24 from being an undiagnosed Type2 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > is scary for me, but I believe I can do it. Having a newsgroup like > this one really helps. I guess I just got tired of hiding from life. Keep feeling beautiful and healthy at the weight you are at. Imagine how much better you will feel every for every 10 lbs that falls off of you. That is what motivates me not to binge. > I don't know if your issues are motivated by similar problems, and > sorry this is so long, but maybe knowing you're not alone will help. > Best wishes on getting back to a healthier lifestyle, I truly believe > that if I could do it, you can too... :-) Ditto! > -- > J.J. in WA State > (251/240/150 - Type2 Since 02/04) Hark! I heard "Perple Gyrl" <perpleglow@comcast.net> say: > "J.J. in WA State" > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > sensible meals and hide my binges. I remember eating 3-4 (or more) candy > bars in under 15 mins. They were easy to hide in my glove compartment. And isn't it amazing how one can simply pretend the binges never happened? Denial is a strange thing. > > One day, I noticed that our insurance company would help pay for > > weight loss if one was morbidly obese. I had finally realized that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It is amazing that they freaking pay for surgery but won't pay for us to be > on a doctor supervised diet. My insurance company (onehealthplan.com) is a little different on that. I looked into the surgery first, but they wouldn't pay for it unless I tried a doctor supervised diet first. I was very upset about this at the time, but now I credit the nurse at the insurance co. for saving me from unnecessary surgery. <snip> > > Being overweight, for me, was a kind of security blanket. There are > > fewer emotional risks involved in that lifestyle. I could hide inside [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > didn't date much or go to my prom because I never socialized with guys. I > was so painfully shy, I was scared to. It sucks, doesn't it? That's why I'd never have considered joining an organized weight loss company -- I couldn't stand the thought of going to meetings. Thank goodness for the Internet; we can talk together without letting the shyness overcome us. I find that this actually makes me a bit more outgoing... <snip> SignatureJ.J. in WA State - 251/241/150 (Change COLD to HOT for e-mail) "J.J. Marie" > And isn't it amazing how one can simply pretend the binges never > happened? Denial is a strange thing. I don't think I pretended they didn't exist... I just tried to forget about them. > My insurance company (onehealthplan.com) is a little different on that. > I looked into the surgery first, but they wouldn't pay for it unless I > tried a doctor supervised diet first. I was very upset about this at > the time, but now I credit the nurse at the insurance co. for saving me > from unnecessary surgery. That is great! My insurance isn't that good... That's why I'd never have considered joining > an organized weight loss company -- I couldn't stand the thought > of going to meetings. Thank goodness for the Internet; we can talk > together without letting the shyness overcome us. I find that this > actually makes me a bit more outgoing... I think so too! I like the anonymity (hope I spelled that right). I feel like I can open up more in this forum and chat with people that know where I am coming from. > -- > J.J. in WA State - 251/241/150 > (Change COLD to HOT for e-mail) |
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