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Mark - 18 Mar 2004 07:07 GMT
Hey, I just wanted to first thank you all for your support, and say I will
try to help as much as I can with anyone like I have received, but my
knowledge is of course, much more limited than others...

I went shake-shopping today after realizing my Slim Fasts have 25g of sugar
in each one. What a shocker. I was almost disgusted. Unfortunately, at my
local drugstore, I could not find anything that was much better. I had to
settle for Boost High Protein... with 15g protein and 33g carbs. But it
doesn't say how much of the carbs are sugar and how much are fibre... So I
am assuming most of it is sugar. Still it was in the same caloric range as
the Slim Fasts, and has more protein and slightly less carbs.

I also did see Glucerna there, but they only had it in 12 packs, and the 12
pack did not have the nutritional contents listed on the box because it was
a thick cardboard packaging-style box. It was the vanilla flavoured one. I
want to try a glucerna, but not 12 at once, in case I don't like them.

My other concern about going to low-carb shakes...is will I be ok getting so
many less carbs from sugars and carbs? Already, I get a major crash and my
eyes glaze over 3 hours after a Slim Fast. I'm worried that moving to
Glucerna, or even these high protein shakes from Boost will leave me even
more dizzy...because doesn't your body need a certain about of carbs to
function?

Well, thanks again all.

Mark
182/153/145 (I finally figured out what the numbers mean)
estella - 18 Mar 2004 12:03 GMT
>I went shake-shopping today after realizing my Slim Fasts have 25g of sugar
>in each one.

I must have missed the reason why you can't eat proper food. :-)
SnugBear - 19 Mar 2004 03:29 GMT
estella  wrote:

>>I went shake-shopping today after realizing my Slim Fasts have 25g of
>>sugar in each one.
>
> I must have missed the reason why you can't eat proper food. :-)

LOLOL

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Perple Gyrl - 18 Mar 2004 13:54 GMT
http://www.glucerna-precision.com/servlet/nutrio?page=194&cat=0

"Mark" <mark2000usenet@sympatico.ca>

> I also did see Glucerna there, but they only had it in 12 packs, and the 12
> pack did not have the nutritional contents listed on the box because it was
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> Mark
> 182/153/145 (I finally figured out what the numbers mean)
determined - 18 Mar 2004 15:08 GMT
There are low carb versions of slimfast now.

> Hey, I just wanted to first thank you all for your support, and say I will
> try to help as much as I can with anyone like I have received, but my
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> Mark
> 182/153/145 (I finally figured out what the numbers mean)
Julianne - 18 Mar 2004 15:14 GMT
     GLUCERNA WEIGHT LOSS SHAKE is the first weight-loss shake specifically
for people with diabetes. When used as part of a reduced-calorie meal plan,
GLUCERNA WEIGHT LOSS SHAKE is designed to help people with diabetes manage
their weight and blood glucose.
       a.. Use as a meal replacement for the dietary management of diabetes
(see instructions on label)
       b.. A convenient, great-tasting alternative to higher-calorie meals
for people with diabetes who need to lose weight
       c.. For oral use only-not for tube feeding

     Use under medical supervision.

     Consult your health care provider for a weight loss goal, calorie
level, and blood glucose monitoring schedule that is appropriate for your
nutritional needs, blood glucose management goals, and daily activities.

     According to the American Diabetes Association (ADA), "Use of meal
replacements once or twice daily to replace a usual meal can result in
significant weight loss, but meal replacement therapy must be continued if
weight loss is to be maintained."1

     Caution: Consult a doctor before starting any weight loss plan. This
is especially important for people who have diabetes or other health
problems, are under 18, pregnant, nursing, or want to lose more than 30 lb.
Do not lose more than 2 lb per week after the first week. Rapid weight loss
may cause health problems. Not for use as a sole source of nutrition. Do not
follow a meal plan of less than 1,200 Calories per day unless otherwise
directed by a doctor.

     Features:

       a.. Contains a patented blend of slowly digested carbohydrates
clinically shown to help manage blood glucose levels2
       b.. Clinically shown to help people with type 2 diabetes lose weight
as part of a structured weight loss program designed to decrease caloric
intake and promote physical activity3
       c.. Excellent source of 24 essential vitamins and minerals
       d.. Contains 4 g of dietary fiber, including 1.4 g/11 fl oz of
fructooligosaccharides (FOS), prebiotics that help maintain digestive tract
health4-7
       e.. Provides 100% of the DV for the antioxidant vitamins C and E to
help protect against cell damage8-11
       f.. Fortified with 50% of the DV for vitamins B6, B12, and folate to
help maintain low blood levels of homocysteine12
       g.. Provides 100% of the DV for chromium to help support glucose
tolerance13-15
       h.. 500 mcg of lutein to help support eye health*
       i.. Fat blend is high in monounsaturated fatty acids and meets
American Heart Association (AHA) recommendations for fatty acid profile.16
The AHA and the American Diabetes Association recommend limiting the intake
of saturated fat and cholesterol in favor of monounsaturated fatty acids
(MUFAs) to improve lipid profiles1,16
       j.. High in calcium for bone health
       k.. Kosher
       l.. Lactose- and gluten-free
       m.. Not low residue
       n.. 5 great-tasting flavors-vanilla, chocolate, dulce de leche
(caramel), peach, and banana

     *Accumulating evidence suggests an important role of nutrition,
specifically of a group of nutrients called carotenoids, in maintaining eye
health. One of the most promising of these nutrients is lutein. The body
cannot make lutein and it is found in a limited number of fruits and
vegetables. The highest concentration of lutein in the body is found in the
eye, especially in the macula. Age-related macular degeneration (AMD) is the
leading cause of irreversible vision loss in people aged 65 years and older.
Lutein acts as a filter to protect the delicate cells of the eye from damage
caused by harmful sunlight. Lutein has no known effect on diabetes
retinopathy.17

     Nutrient Profile (per 11 fl oz Vanilla): Calories 290; Protein (% Cal)
18.0; Total Fat (% Cal) 34.0; Carbohydrate (% Cal) 48.0

     Exchanges: 1 ? Starch, 1 Fruit, 1 Medium-Fat Meat, 1 Fat?

     ?Calculated using "Exchange Lists for Meal Planning," American
Diabetes Association Inc and American Dietetic Association, 2003. Exchanges
have been adjusted to account for sugar alcohols.

     Availability:

     11-fl-oz cans; 24/case Flavor List Number
           Vanilla 57642
           Chocolate 57645
           Dulce de Leche (Caramel) 57654
           Peach 57667
           Banana 57648

     Ingredients:

     (Vanilla): (U)-D Water, corn maltodextrin, sodium and calcium
caseinates, maltitol syrup, high oleic safflower oil, fructose, soy protein
isolate, soy fiber, fructooligosaccharides, canola oil, calcium phosphate,
magnesium chloride, soy lecithin, artificial flavor, sodium citrate,
potassium citrate, magnesium phosphate, potassium phosphate, potassium
chloride, ascorbic acid, choline chloride, gellan gum, dl-alpha-tocopheryl
acetate, sucralose, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, niacinamide, manganese
sulfate, calcium pantothenate, cupric sulfate, pyridoxine hydrochloride,
thiamine chloride hydrochloride, lutein, vitamin A palmitate, riboflavin,
chromium chloride, beta-carotene, folic acid, biotin, sodium molybdate,
potassium iodide, sodium selenate, phylloquinone, cyanocobalamin and vitamin
D3. (7826-01)

     Protein:

     The protein in GLUCERNA WEIGHT LOSS SHAKE is from sodium and calcium
caseinates, and soy protein isolate.

     Protein Profile Percent of total calories from protein 18.0%
           Protein content 13 g/11 fl oz

     Protein Source Sodium and calcium caseinates 80%
           Soy protein isolate 20%

     Fat:

     The fat source is a blend of high oleic safflower oil, canola oil, and
soy lecithin. GLUCERNA WEIGHT LOSS SHAKES are consistent with the ADA
recommendation that 60% to 70% of total calories should be distributed
between carbohydrates and MUFAs.1 Diets high in MUFAs have been extensively
studied and found to be beneficial to people with diabetes because they show
lower glycemmic response, improved lipid profiles, and/or decreased insulin
needs.18-22

     Fat Profile Percent of total calories from fat 34.0%
           Fat content 11 g/11 fl oz

     Fat Source High oleic safflower oil 85%
           Canola oil 10%
           Soy lecithin 5%

     Carbohydrate:

     GLUCERNA WEIGHT LOSS SHAKE contains a unique blend of corn
maltodextrin, sugar alcohols, fructose, soy fiber, and FOS as the
carbohydrate sources. GLUCERNA WEIGHT LOSS SHAKE'S unique blend of
carbohydrates takes advantage of two physiologic pathways. First, a portion
of the maltodextrin (Fibersol 2?), a key ingredient, contains modified
glucose linkages that are slowly digested from the small intestine to blunt
glycemic response. Second, fructose and maltitol work to activate
glucokinase in the liver to promote the clearance of glucose from the
blood.23-25 Maltitol is broken down to glucose and sorbitol. Sorbitol is
then converted to fructose, which promotes activation of glucokinase.

     Carbohydrate Profile Percent of total calories from carbohydrates
48.0%
           Carbohydrate content 39 g/11 fl oz

     Carbohydrate Source Corn maltodextrin 50%
           Fructose 23%
           Sugar alcohols 20%
           FOS 3.6%
           Soy fiber 3.4%

     Fiber:

     GLUCERNA WEIGHT LOSS SHAKE provides a good source (16% of the Daily
Value [DV]) of fiber at 4 g/11 fl oz. GLUCERNA WEIGHT LOSS SHAKE provides a
blend of soluble and insoluble fibers*, including 1.3 g of soy fiber, 1 g of
corn fiber, and 1.4 g of fructooligosaccharides (FOS).

     FOS are indigestible, highly fermentable carbohydrates that occur
naturally in many foods, such as onions, bananas, tomatoes, honey, garlic,
barley, and wheat. FOS are prebiotics that stimulate the growth of
beneficial GI bacteria (eg, bifidobacteria).4 FOS are fermented in the colon
to short-chain fatty acids (SCFAs) that inhibit the growth of C difficile in
at-risk patients. SCFAs enhance water and electrolyte uptake in the colon,
which is important in the management of diarrhea.5,6

     *Fiber breakdown differs for chocolate flavor: 1.4 g FOS, 1.3 g cocoa
fiber, 1.0 g corn fiber, and 0.3 g soy fibers.

     Vitamins and Minerals:

     GLUCERNA WEIGHT LOSS SHAKE provides at least 25% of the DVs for 24 key
vitamins and minerals.

     Analysis:

     Nutrient Facts
            11 fl oz (Vanilla)
             FAN (label number) 7826-01
             Cal/mL 0.89
             Energy, Cal 290
             Protein, g 13
             % of total Calories 18.0
             Fat, g 11
             % of total Calories 34.0
             Cholesterol, mg < 5
             Carbohydrate, g 39
             % of total Calories 48.0
             Water, g* 278
             Dietary Fiber, g 4
             L-carnitine, mg
             Taurine, mg
             m-Inositol, mg
       * 1 g water = 1 mL water = 1 cc water.
       Fat breakdown per 11-fl-oz Shake: 1.0 g saturated fat (3.1% of total
Calories); 1.7 g polyunsaturated fat (5.2% of total Calories); 7.6 g
monounsaturated fat (23.6% of total Calories).
       Fatty acids equal approximately 95% of total fat.

     Vitamins
            11 fl oz (Vanilla)
             Vitamin A, IU 1750
             Vitamin D, IU 100
             Vitamin E, IU 30
             Vitamin K, mcg 20
             Vitamin C, mg 60
             Folic Acid, mcg 200
             Thiamin (Vitamin B1), mg 0.38
             Riboflavin (Vitamin B2), mg 0.43
             Vitamin B6, mg 1
             Vitamin B12, mcg 3
             Niacin, mg 5
             Choline, mg 100
             Biotin, mcg 75
             Pantothenic Acid, mg 2.5

       Minerals
              11 fl oz (Vanilla)
               Sodium, mg (mEq) 280 (12.2)
               Potassium, mg (mEq)  500 (12.8)
               Chloride, mg (mEq)  510 (14.4)
               Calcium, mg 350
               Phosphorus, mg 350
               Magnesium, mg 140
               Iodine, mcg 38
               Manganese, mg 1
               Copper, mg 0.5
               Zinc, mg 3.8
               Iron, mg 4.5
               Selenium, mcg 18
               Chromium, mcg 120
               Molybdenum, mcg 38

       Potassium content differs for Chocolate flavor: 550 mg (14.1 mEq)
per 11-fl-oz Shake.

 Other Values Density at 23?C, g/mL 1.061
       pH 6.5
       Osmolality, mosm/kg H2O
       Osmolarity, mosm/L
       Renal Solute Load, mosm/L
       Cal to meet 100% RDIs
       mL to meet 100% RDIs
       Total Cal/g nitrogen 139:1
       Nonprotein Cal/g nitrogen 114:1

     References:

     1. Franz MJ, Bantle JP, Beebe CA (American Diabetes Association):
Evidence-based nutrition principles and recommendations for the treatment
and prevention of diabetes and related complications. Diabetes Care
2003;26(suppl 1):S51-S61.
     2. Fix BM, Lowe W, Cockram DB, et al: Effect of a liquid nutritional
supplement containing a novel carbohydrate system on glucose tolerance in
subjects with type 2 diabetes. Ann Nutr Metab 2001;45(suppl 1):277.
     3. Data on file, (Study BJ19). Ross Products Division, Abbott
Laboratories, July 2002. (Study used two 8-fl-oz servings of Glucerna
Shake/day)
     4. Gibson GR, Roberfroid MB: Dietary modulation of the human colonic
microbiota: Introducing the concept of prebiotics. J Nutr
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PD, Ravidin JI, et al (eds): Infections of the Gastrointestinal Tract. New
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concentration predicts mortality in non-insulin-dependent diabetic patients
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2002;132:1219-1223.

> Hey, I just wanted to first thank you all for your support, and say I will
> try to help as much as I can with anyone like I have received, but my
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> Mark
> 182/153/145 (I finally figured out what the numbers mean)
Perple Gyrl - 18 Mar 2004 14:18 GMT
I guess it was too much to ask him to click on the link in my reply to his
post, eh? lol

>       GLUCERNA WEIGHT LOSS SHAKE is the first weight-loss shake specifically
> for people with diabetes. When used as part of a reduced-calorie meal plan,
[quoted text clipped - 355 lines]
> > Mark
> > 182/153/145 (I finally figured out what the numbers mean)
Julianne - 18 Mar 2004 15:43 GMT
I hadn't seen your post yet but as a consultant, I am used to spoon feeding
people knowledge.  If all my clients were independent, it would mean
bankruptcy for me:)

j
> I guess it was too much to ask him to click on the link in my reply to his
> post, eh? lol
[quoted text clipped - 409 lines]
> > > Mark
> > > 182/153/145 (I finally figured out what the numbers mean)
Perple Gyrl - 19 Mar 2004 05:33 GMT
I know the feeling, as I am in sales and on commission!  Thank goodness my
customers are stupid, or I wouldn't have job security!

> I hadn't seen your post yet but as a consultant, I am used to spoon feeding
> people knowledge.  If all my clients were independent, it would mean
> bankruptcy for me:)
>
> j
MH - 19 Mar 2004 07:11 GMT
> I hadn't seen your post yet but as a consultant, I am used to spoon feeding
> people knowledge.  If all my clients were independent, it would mean
> bankruptcy for me:)
>
> j

And since we're not your clients, does it mean you don't have to trim this
post? : )

Martha
Trim posts!!
Perple Gyrl - 19 Mar 2004 05:57 GMT
There are some people here that don't know how to click on a link.... she
was just helping!  :)

"MH" <bastzine@worldnet.att.net> wrote in

> And since we're not your clients, does it mean you don't have to trim this
> post? : )
>
> Martha
> Trim posts!!
Steve Knight - 18 Mar 2004 17:48 GMT
I go to my local  body building shop you can get high quality whey protein
powder at a good price and it only had 3 grams of carbs.

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Jeri - 18 Mar 2004 23:38 GMT
<snip>
> My other concern about going to low-carb shakes...is will I be ok
> getting so many less carbs from sugars and carbs? Already, I get a
> major crash and my eyes glaze over 3 hours after a Slim Fast. I'm
> worried that moving to Glucerna, or even these high protein shakes
> from Boost will leave me even more dizzy...because doesn't your body
> need a certain about of carbs to function?

You'll be fine with fewer carbs. In fact you probably crash because your
blood sugar drops too low.
When you eat carbs (like sugar) your blood sugar rises quickly. Your body
then dumps
insulin to bring it under control. Excess insulin then causes your blood
sugar to drop too low which causes dizziness and usually cravings for more
sugar. It's a blood sugar roller coaster.

Your body needs the vitamins, minerals, and fiber that are contained in
foods that have carbs but it doesn't need the carbs themselves. Your body
can and does manufacture the glucose (carbs) it needs from protein. This is
why if you can get the vitamins, minerals, and fiber while keeping your
carbs low your blood sugar will stay level and you'll be much better off.
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