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Top Spin - 28 Mar 2004 16:09 GMT
So, how good do I have to be and how severe will the punishments be
for sinning?

Most of my life I was quite skinny. As a child in the midwest, I grew
up eating very heavy food and tons of it. We used to have pancake
eating contests with my brothers. When I graduated from high school, I
was 6'3" and 170. I could eat twice as much as anyone else and never
gain a pound.

Over the years, I have gradually gained weight while continuing those
same eating habits more or less -- at least as far as quantity. In my
40s, I was around 200 plus or minus. In my 50s, that started to
increase more quickly. When I turned 60 a few months ago, I was around
230 (225-235).

For the past 10-15 years, I have been accumulating various side
effects of all that weight and diet: high cholesterol, acid reflux,
snoring and apnea-like symptoms, joint problems (knees and ankles),
and lower back problems. My doctors and everyone else keeps telling me
to lose weight.

I made a few half-hearted attempts with little success. I bought some
weights and a Reebok Step and some videos. But I mostly kept eating
the same way, more or less.

I have been following this NG for awhile. A few months ago, I started
implementing some of the principles that are constantly discussed
here. I realized that since childhood, I have never stopped eating
until I was "stuffed" -- sometimes considerably overstuffed. I think I
have been programmed to read that "very full" feeling as normal and
just kept eating until I got there. I also realized that I was
programmed by my depression-era parents to always clena my plate and
never throw any food away.

So here are some of the things I have done on the diet:

* stop eating as soon as I am no longer hungry -- not when I am full
* eat more slowly to allow my body to get it that it has food
* put smaller portions on my plate so I don't have to leave any
* force myself to always leave something on my plate, especially when
I cannot control the portions, such as when eating out and, to break
that "clean your plate" habit
* pack a lunch to take to work rather that eating out
* delay meals when possible and skip one occasionally
* occasionally drink a protein shake either as a meal replacement or
along with a small meal
* drink more water and tea rather than high sugar drinks and colas
* keep a bowl of fruit, nuts, and veggies around to munch on: mainly
bananas, oranges, carrots, almonds, blueberries, grapes, apples
* keep cottage cheese and yogurt in the fridge to snack on and to go
with meals

I have also increased my exercise:

* I have always played tennis, but I've upped the intensity. When I go
practice with my wife, I have her hit the ball so I have to run as
much as possible. This gives her great practice on her accuracy and I
get a great workout.
* I bought a bench and some dumbbells and have started (restarted) a
weight program.
* I bought a Reebok Step, a jump rope, and some videos. Now instead of
watching TV lying on the bed, I do it while stepping or jumping rope.

When I started my "program" about 2 months ago, I was mostly around
228-232, occasional as high as 237. Within a week, I was mostly in the
225-229 range. Over the next 2-3 weeks, I gradually inched down to
where I am now in the 223-227 range. I usually weigh myself first
thing in the morning.

I have a few specific questions:

1. What do you all think of my "program"? Are there any components
that are wrong or counter-productive? Any that I should emphasize? Any
other feedback?

2. Is my "progress" reasonable? I am not trying for a crash weight
loss program and I am committed to a substantive lifestyle change.

3. I think I see some change in my life-long programming. At first, I
really missed that "over full" feeling and had a pretty strong urge to
go back to the table and get it. Even though had eaten a reasonable
amount, I didn't feel satisfied. This has gradually moderated so that
I am able to feel OK with less food. Will this continue? I am not
really addicted to food. I never eat just to be eating, but I don't
like feeling famished or weak.

4. The title question: How much will I pay for sinning? We eat out a
lot with friends and at parties. I am usually pretty god, but
sometimes the food is really good and I just can't stop having a few
extra bites or an extra portion. When I do that, I jump up several
pounds. I haven't been at it long enough to know if this is a
temporary gain or if I am losing weeks or months of progress which
will take a like amount of time to recoup. How close to perfect
compliance will it take for the rest of my lfe?

Thanks for listening.

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Patricia Heil - 28 Mar 2004 16:29 GMT
This should work.  Look at it again yourself and see if you can
keep this up pretty much for life.  As for parties, hey, unless
you party 7 days a week don't worry about it.  Eat before you
go -- with the side bennie that you can have a glass of wine
right away instead of waiting until you have put something in
your stomach.  That will make sure you eat something healthy
and since you are making sure you don't eat until you're stuffed,
you won't eat as much at the party.  If it's a dinner party,
don't take any more than you would at home.  And then work out
a little harder afterwards for about a week.  Everybody needs
a detour once in a while.  Just strategize and don't let overly
attentive hosts coax you into something you know is bad for you.

> So, how good do I have to be and how severe will the punishments be
> for sinning?
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Top Spin - 28 Mar 2004 16:55 GMT
>This should work.  Look at it again yourself and see if you can
>keep this up pretty much for life.

I think I can do what I am doing forever without too much difficulty.
I was mostly looking for feedback on whether there were any glaring
errors or omissions.

>As for parties, hey, unless
>you party 7 days a week don't worry about it.

Hardly.

>Eat before you go

Does this work? I would be inclined to think that that would just be
extra food.

> -- with the side bennie that you can have a glass of wine
>right away instead of waiting until you have put something in
>your stomach.

Are you saying that if I eat before I go, I will be able to drink
right away because I will already have something in my stomach?

I've never worried about that. I am a very light drinker. I rarely
have two glasses of wine at any event. I've never thought about
whether it was on an empty stomach or not.

>That will make sure you eat something healthy
>and since you are making sure you don't eat until you're stuffed,
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>a detour once in a while.  Just strategize and don't let overly
>attentive hosts coax you into something you know is bad for you.

Thanks

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SnugBear - 28 Mar 2004 17:39 GMT
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> 4. The title question: How much will I pay for sinning? We eat out a
> lot with friends and at parties. I am usually pretty god, but
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> will take a like amount of time to recoup. How close to perfect
> compliance will it take for the rest of my lfe?

You sound so sensible!  Welcome to the group.

We are human, there is no perfection.  I actually left a birthday party
early once because of the carrot cake screaming at me.  Do the best you
can for every meal.  

I've only been on maintenance for a year and I'm a woman and and and, so
how can we really answer your question?  What I can tell you is that if
you really change, it will become easier and easier to resist extra
portions of food you don't really want anyway. otoh, making plans for
special occasions and vacations etc, will let you still enjoy treats
without it impacting your program.  It's a balancing act.

Eat less, exercise more, repeat *forever* - it's not a bad thing!

Keep posting and let us know how you're doing.

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Top Spin - 28 Mar 2004 19:04 GMT
><lots of good stuff snipped>
>> 4. The title question: How much will I pay for sinning? We eat out a
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>
>You sound so sensible!  Welcome to the group.

Thanks

>We are human, there is no perfection.  I actually left a birthday party
>early once because of the carrot cake screaming at me.  Do the best you
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>special occasions and vacations etc, will let you still enjoy treats
>without it impacting your program.  It's a balancing act.

It's actually not that hard for me to resist extra portions most of
the time. I actually don't crave eating, per se. I would happily never
eat anything if I could somehow survive without it. I mean, I only eat
because I feel so hungry and weak at times that I can't concentrate.

I'll go slowly and see if my body adjusts to slightly smaller portions
without major complaining.

>Eat less, exercise more, repeat *forever* - it's not a bad thing!
>
>Keep posting and let us know how you're doing.

Thanks

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Chris Braun - 28 Mar 2004 22:24 GMT
>> What I can tell you is that if
>you really change, it will become easier and easier to resist extra
>portions of food you don't really want anyway.

I'm finding the same thing.  I still indulge occasionally, but only
when I've decided ahead of time to have a splurge meal.  One thing
that makes it easier is reminding myself how much I enjoy being thin.

Last week I attended a conference where there were big trays of
assorted sweets out at all the breaks and meals.  Let me tell you, you
can smell sugar when other people are eating it :-).  And it did tempt
me.  But at the same meeting, so many people I hadn't seen in a long
time were complimenting me on my appearance.  I just reminded myself
how much fun that was, relative to the transient fun of eating a
brownie.

Chris
262/155/ (145-150)
SnugBear - 29 Mar 2004 02:53 GMT
> I'm finding the same thing.  I still indulge occasionally, but only
> when I've decided ahead of time to have a splurge meal.  One thing
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> how much fun that was, relative to the transient fun of eating a
> brownie.

Yes, yes, yes!  Something else - when I *plan* to splurge, indulge,
whichever - it *tastes* better and I don't feel guilty after.  If I lose
control I'm asking myself "Why did I do that?  It wasn't even worth it"

Nothing tastes as good as thin feels.

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Perple Gyrl - 29 Mar 2004 00:38 GMT
Hi Top Spin and welcome to the group!

"Top Spin"

> So, how good do I have to be and how severe will the punishments be for
sinning?

I don't think occassionally going off of a diet is bad enough to be
considered a sin!

> So here are some of the things I have done on the diet:
>
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> * keep cottage cheese and yogurt in the fridge to snack on and to go
> with meals

Those are some great changes you've made.  However, I would not skip meals.
You should eat 4-5x a day to keep your blood sugar levels even.  Skipping
meals could cause you to have food cravings and possibly eat more.

> I have also increased my exercise:
>
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> * I bought a Reebok Step, a jump rope, and some videos. Now instead of
> watching TV lying on the bed, I do it while stepping or jumping rope.

This sounds good, as long as it isn't hurting your knees or other joints.
Personally, I can't do high impact exercise as it kills my back and knees.

> When I started my "program" about 2 months ago, I was mostly around
> 228-232, occasional as high as 237. Within a week, I was mostly in the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> that are wrong or counter-productive? Any that I should emphasize? Any
> other feedback?

I think you are on the right track.  I would just be sure not to skip meals
and to have a variety of cardio and weight exercises.

> 2. Is my "progress" reasonable? I am not trying for a crash weight
> loss program and I am committed to a substantive lifestyle change.

Yes it is reasonable... as long as you don't give up if you don't seem to be
going at a fast enough pace.

> 3. I think I see some change in my life-long programming. At first, I
> really missed that "over full" feeling and had a pretty strong urge to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> really addicted to food. I never eat just to be eating, but I don't
> like feeling famished or weak.

I used to be a chronic food binger and would eat until I was sick and then
eat more.  My issues never go away, they just get under control.  I can't
speak for you, but it is a daily battle for me.

> 4. The title question: How much will I pay for sinning? We eat out a
> lot with friends and at parties. I am usually pretty god, but
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> will take a like amount of time to recoup. How close to perfect
> compliance will it take for the rest of my lfe?

As long as you count your calories and maintain a healthy protein/carb/fat
ratio, you can still have days where your diet is less then perfect.  You
can plan these meals by watching what you eat before or after the planned
cheats.  The point is, don't be so hard on yourself and don't beat yourself
up over enjoying the occassional good meal.  Just don't make the exception
to the rule the rule.  Good luck!

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> Thanks for listening.
>
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