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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / May 2004being fruitarian for a few months?
We are planting a number of vegetables in our garden. Mostly low calorie ones. no issue here. I pig out on them all the time and having homegrown ones will simply save me time. We are also planting a few fruit trees, such as apricots, apples, and cherries. Also some bushes such as gooseberries and currants. It will be a few years before they bring fruit, but when they do, that stuff would be too good to pass up when the fruits harvest. So, my question is, if I go mostly fruitarian for a couple of months in a year, while being mindful of calories and eating minimally necessary quantities of protein and certain fats, would I jeopardise my weight maintenance? Are there hidden pitfalls of this? Right now I get about 50% of calories from fat, 25% from carbs. During the harvest months, I am thinking of getting maybe 20% of calories from fat and maybe 15% from protein. Right now my blood glucose seems to be relatively stable, even when I eat a bit of carbs (like a couple of slices of sourdough bread). i 223/172/180 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- @ @ @ Please forgive my typos as my right hand is injured. @ @ @ char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." As long as you stay very low fat <15% while eating these things (I'm in your same boat btw :-), you'll probably be OK as long as you're watching calories. IMHO. Peace, Pen ------- Pawbreakers - The Candy for Cats! http://www.pawbreakers.com > We are planting a number of vegetables in our garden. Mostly low > calorie ones. no issue here. I pig out on them all the time and having [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > @ @ @ Please forgive my typos as my right hand is injured. @ @ @ char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} > "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." What about Blueberries? :-) I believe I read in the maint section of the book that you can work around major carb days. IOW, think of your average carbs for the week, eat less for a few days and have more for a few days. I think your BG numbers will tell you what/how your doing, if your going overboard with the fruit. Steve > We are planting a number of vegetables in our garden. Mostly low > calorie ones. no issue here. I pig out on them all the time and having [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > @ @ @ Please forgive my typos as my right hand is injured. @ @ @ char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} > "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." > What about Blueberries? :-) we planted them too. Two (if I am not mistaken)bushes of blueberries, 3 or so grapes, 1 raspberry etc. > I believe I read in the maint section of the book that you can work around > major carb days. IOW, think of your average carbs for the week, eat less > for a few days and have more for a few days. No, the point is really ditching my 150 carb per day diet for a few months and eat fruits in large quantities (while counting calories). No junk food or starches. > I think your BG numbers will tell you what/how your doing, if your going > overboard with the fruit. A great point -- try it and see if it works. A good approach. i > Steve > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} >> "It's never too late to have a happy childhood."  Signature---------------------------------------------------------------------------- @ @ @ Please forgive my typos as my right hand is injured. @ @ @ char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." Off topic from a diet perspective, but you should be careful regarding the gooseberries. I think that there is a problem with diseases being transmitted via gooseberries. You'll be surprised how quickly the trees/vines bear fruit. We had over 3 lbs. of montmorency cherries the first year we had our tree. Good luck-- Philosopher > We are planting a number of vegetables in our garden. Mostly low > calorie ones. no issue here. I pig out on them all the time and having [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > @ @ @ Please forgive my typos as my right hand is injured. @ @ @ char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} > "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." I should say diseases from a plant pathology perspective, not a human health perspective. I.e., gooseberry plants are hosts to some dangerous plant pathogens. I am going on memory here & may not be totally accurate, so my apologies in advance. Philosopher > Off topic from a diet perspective, but you should be careful regarding the > gooseberries. I think that there is a problem with diseases being [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > -- > > @ @ @ Please forgive my typos as my right hand is injured. @ @ @ char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} > > "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." > We are also planting a few fruit trees, such as apricots, apples, and > cherries. Also some bushes such as gooseberries and currants. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > quantities of protein and certain fats, would I jeopardise my weight > maintenance? Are there hidden pitfalls of this? You mentioned stable bg, but I don't recall what level of problem you might have had with bg before. Adding a few daily servings of fruit to your maintenance diet is quite a bit different from eating a mostly fruit diet for a couple of months. If you have been combating insulin resistance, or were mildly diabetic, eating mostly fruit for several weeks straight might undo any progress you've made on that, as well as set off the cravings to overeat. If you didn't have any bg problem before, you might be able to eat a lot of fruit and just watch your calories and macronutrients. One hidden pitfall is that some fruits tempt some people to binge on them, or set off cravings for other sweets. Personally, I think fruit should be considered a "natural" dessert rather than a staple food. I find I can have a serving of fruit with some yogurt, or a dollop of whipped cream or sweetened sour cream and be satisfied, but plain fruit usually tends to make me want to eat more fruit than a serving. Signaturejamie (jamiemck@newsguy.com) "There's a seeker born every minute." >> We are also planting a few fruit trees, such as apricots, apples, and >> cherries. Also some bushes such as gooseberries and currants. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > you might be able to eat a lot of fruit and just watch your calories > and macronutrients. Would it be correct to paraphrase what you are saying as: going fruitarian for a few months may make it very difficult to control how much I eat, and could ruin my BG control. As for whether I was IR prior to weight loss, it is hard to say, but my guess is that it is more likely than not that I was IR. But, now I am much leaner and I exercise regularly. Perhaps that could help controlling blood sugars? > One hidden pitfall is that some fruits tempt some people to binge on them, > or set off cravings for other sweets. Personally, I think fruit should > be considered a "natural" dessert rather than a staple food. I find I > can have a serving of fruit with some yogurt, or a dollop of whipped cream > or sweetened sour cream and be satisfied, but plain fruit usually tends > to make me want to eat more fruit than a serving. I absolutely see your point and may eventually decide not do go "fruitarian" for the harvest months. Signature---------------------------------------------------------------------------- @ @ @ Please forgive my typos as my right hand is injured. @ @ @ char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." > Would it be correct to paraphrase what you are saying as: going > fruitarian for a few months may make it very difficult to control how > much I eat, and could ruin my BG control. It could be. Then again, it might not. > As for whether I was IR prior to weight loss, it is hard to say, but > my guess is that it is more likely than not that I was IR. But, now I > am much leaner and I exercise regularly. Perhaps that could help > controlling blood sugars? Absolutely. But you don't know for sure until you test. I'd recommend testing with small amounts of fruits rather than just starting off a fruitarian diet so as to get a handle on how you react to fruit. I'd test again when starting the fruitarian thing. If it turns out you can handle small amounts, but not a heavy diet of fruit, you can always put them up for use in small amounts all year. The stuff is useful to have around even if you can't eat a lot of it yourself - for your family. My husband has no IR at all, he can eat huge piles of sugar with almost no change in blood sugar; he is not low-carbing and has a big sweet tooth. Having fruit on hand means he ends up eating less outright crap than he used to, and it's simply got to be better for him to be eating bananas and apples than cake and ice cream. SignatureAs you accelerate your food, it takes exponentially more and more energy to increase its velocity, until you hit a limit at C. This energy has to come from somewhere; in this case, from the food's nutritional value. Thus, the faster the food is, the worse it gets. -- Mark Hughes, comprehending the taste of fast food thank you for your comments. I already own a cheap relion BG meter from walmart. i >> Would it be correct to paraphrase what you are saying as: going >> fruitarian for a few months may make it very difficult to control how [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > to be better for him to be eating bananas and apples than cake and ice > cream. Signature---------------------------------------------------------------------------- @ @ @ Please forgive my typos as my right hand is injured. @ @ @ char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." > We are planting a number of vegetables in our garden. Mostly low > calorie ones. no issue here. I pig out on them all the time and having [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){pintf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} > "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." My boss does a fruitarian diet a couple of times a year. He is always in the can during those times, so we just assume we cannot contact him when we need to. I can only assume our ancestors, when chomping their way through the fruit harvest, spent most of their time squatting behind some bush. If your constitution can manage it - go for it! -- Succorso >My boss does a fruitarian diet a couple of times a year. He is always in >the can during those times, so we just assume we cannot contact him when > we need to. Ask him to bring his cell phone into the stall with him. <G> Carol Signature"Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say 'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.' Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me." *James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_ > Carol Love your sig. Harvey is one of my favorite movies. We bought a copy on DVD and we were very disappointed that there weren't any extras. I guess by the time they wanted to put in out on DVD, there was no one left alive among the cast or director to do a commentary! Tonia | We are planting a number of vegetables in our garden. Mostly low | calorie ones. no issue here. I pig out on them all the time and having [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] | @ @ @ Please forgive my typos as my right hand is injured. @ | @ @ char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} | "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." Since you've already reached goal, you should have no problem working fresh fruit into your low-carb maintenance plan, IMHO. SignaturePeter 270/216/180 Before/Current Pix: http://users.thelink.net/marengo/before_after/beforeafterpix.html >| stuff would be too good to pass up when the fruits harvest. So, my >| question is, if I go mostly fruitarian for a couple of months in a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Since you've already reached goal, you should have no problem working fresh > fruit into your low-carb maintenance plan, IMHO. remember though, I mean a major change in the macronutrients rations: Now: Fat 50%, Carbs 25%, protein 25% Harvest Time: Fat 20%, carbs 60%, protein 20% It is not about just working in a few fruits, it is about eating A LOT OF fruits, vegs, and some meat. No nuts, bread, pasta etc. Just fruits, meat, fish, and vegs. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- @ @ @ Please forgive my typos as my right hand is injured. @ @ @ char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." > remember though, I mean a major change in the macronutrients rations: > > Now: Fat 50%, Carbs 25%, protein 25% > Harvest Time: Fat 20%, carbs 60%, protein 20% It seems hard to change your ratios as much only by eating fruits. Remember, apple has 20g of carbs - 80kcal. How much apples do you plan to eat each day? 10? Mirek >> remember though, I mean a major change in the macronutrients rations: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Remember, apple has 20g of carbs - 80kcal. How much apples do you plan > to eat each day? 10? I think that is what Ig meant by "fruitarian" - he intends to switch his diet over to eating *predominantly* fruit for a short while as he works his way through his harvest. Signaturecarla http://geekofalltrades.typepad.com/geek > > > remember though, I mean a major change in the macronutrients rations: > > > Now: Fat 50%, Carbs 25%, protein 25% > >> Harvest Time: Fat 20%, carbs 60%, protein 20% > > > It seems hard to change your ratios as much only by eating fruits. But - It seems easy to change your ratios as much by eating only fruits. > > Remember, apple has 20g of carbs - 80kcal. How much apples do you plan > > to eat each day? 10? > > I think that is what Ig meant by "fruitarian" - he intends to switch his > diet over to eating *predominantly* fruit for a short while as he works his > way through his harvest. Fruitarian means eating *only* fruit. I also do not think Ig meant that literal meaning of only fruit. >> > > remember though, I mean a major change in the macronutrients rations: >> > > Now: Fat 50%, Carbs 25%, protein 25% [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Fruitarian means eating *only* fruit. I also do not think Ig meant > that literal meaning of only fruit. You are correct, I did not mean eating only fruit, I meant eating predominantly fruit (by calories). Signature---------------------------------------------------------------------------- @ @ @ Please forgive my typos as my right hand is injured. @ @ @ char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." >>> remember though, I mean a major change in the macronutrients rations: >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > diet over to eating *predominantly* fruit for a short while as he works his > way through his harvest. correct, that is exactly what I am considering. I could choose to be low fat for that period. I do realize that I have to count my calories, which I still do. Right now I eat 150 carbs per day, maybe a bit less now. Signature---------------------------------------------------------------------------- @ @ @ Please forgive my typos as my right hand is injured. @ @ @ char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." >> remember though, I mean a major change in the macronutrients rations: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Remember, apple has 20g of carbs - 80kcal. How much apples do you plan > to eat each day? 10? An equivalent of 10 apples, possibly, yes. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- @ @ @ Please forgive my typos as my right hand is injured. @ @ @ char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." > >| stuff would be too good to pass up when the fruits harvest. So, my > >| question is, if I go mostly fruitarian for a couple of months in a [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > OF fruits, vegs, and some meat. No nuts, bread, pasta etc. Just > fruits, meat, fish, and vegs. I don't suppose you could can the excess and save it for the future when the fruits are expensive in the grocery store. I bought a book "Putting Food By" by Janet C. Greene and Ruth Hertzberg that has all you need to preserve the bounty of your harvest. With canning, you control what preservations go into your product and since Mason jars are glass, the fruits taste so much better than what comes out of steel cans. Canning is not as difficult a process as you might imagine if you're organized and methodical about it. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0452268990/qid=1083693762/sr=8-1/r ef=pd_ka_1/102-2460812-8247300?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 Tonia >> In article <4d24845a20f4124ed624d45f83f21261@news.teranews.com>, marengo > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Tonia We used to can a lot of fruit when I was a kid, and I think that all canning involved sugar, my nemesis. Signature---------------------------------------------------------------------------- @ @ @ Please forgive my typos as my right hand is injured. @ @ @ char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." > >> In article <4d24845a20f4124ed624d45f83f21261@news.teranews.com>, marengo > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > better than what comes out of steel cans. Canning is not as difficult a > > process as you might imagine if you're organized and methodical about it. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0452268990/qid=1083693762/sr=8-1/r ef=pd_ka_1/102-2460812-8247300?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 > > Tonia > > We used to can a lot of fruit when I was a kid, and I think that all > canning involved sugar, my nemesis. > -- You can preserve fruit without added sugar. Now the sugar already in the fruit is another matter. You might find canning books in your local library or do a web search. Tonia > We used to can a lot of fruit when I was a kid, and I think that all > canning involved sugar, my nemesis. There are pectins that work without sugar for canning - you can Google for info. Also, freezing is an option. A lot of fruits freeze well. I froze a lot of cantalope last year... while it turns to much when thawed completly, it's pretty good artially thawed. Other fruits that don't thaw well can add great taste to shakes - with protein powder, cream, or even just ice. SignatureAs you accelerate your food, it takes exponentially more and more energy to increase its velocity, until you hit a limit at C. This energy has to come from somewhere; in this case, from the food's nutritional value. Thus, the faster the food is, the worse it gets. -- Mark Hughes, comprehending the taste of fast food |
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