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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / May 2004To gain or not to gain
A rather philosophical title for a message that's just musing on a fairly short-term issue: I'm competing in a bench press meet this Saturday. I will compete in the 149-165 lb. weight class, and I currently weigh 152. (The weight classes in powerlifting are different than those in Olympic lifting, for those who were following my weight class discussion there.) Anyway, Tom, my trainer, would like me to eat more for the rest of the week, because it is likely to improve my performance a tad. While I agree that it might, it is hard for me to feel like I want to do that, since it's rather contradictory to my longer-term goal of getting a bit lower in weight. I know I could lose it again easily enough, but I'm still negative on the idea and probably won't do it. But at some point I'd like to get my head to a place where I could feel comfortable doing something like this. I know Tom or Ahmed would do it that way. Anyway... I'm not really asking for advice, I guess, but I'm curious what others might do in such a situation. Chris 262/152/ (145-150) try to balance rationally just what is "at stake"... i > A rather philosophical title for a message that's just musing on a > fairly short-term issue: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Chris > 262/152/ (145-150)  Signature---------------------------------------------------------------------------- char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." > try to balance rationally just what is "at stake"... And do you know anything about lifting? Please show proof. Martha > i > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} > "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." In article <j663a05j88bluvu4gch1uivov2n9s1u024@4ax.com>, Chris Braun <braun_chris@mindspring.com> wrote: > Anyway... I'm not really asking for advice, I guess, but > I'm curious > what others might do in such a situation. > > Chris > 262/152/ (145-150) Hi Chris, You wouldn't really be in a "bulking" phase, right? You would just be adding calories for strength purposes. I don't see it at odds with your long-term goals. Just consider it a "refeed"--we know you'll go back to your normal WOE after the meet. Good luck! Amy > In article > <j663a05j88bluvu4gch1uivov2n9s1u024@4ax.com>, Chris [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Amy I think I would take a similar approach. Eat a little more to gain some strength before the meet and continue with your plan afterward. Since starting the biking season I find I need to eat a little more before longer rides. I didn't do this on the first ride and really had a problem half way through the ride. I've learned my lesson<g> I now eat a normal breakfast and usually grab a power bar about 30 minutes before starting just to keep the energy level up. Beverly >>In article >><j663a05j88bluvu4gch1uivov2n9s1u024@4ax.com>, Chris [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Since starting the biking season I find I need to eat a little more before > longer rides. That's interesting. I don't feel like I need more before the ride -- don't bonk or whatever -- but I do feel *really* hungry the next day. If I am riding more than 90 minutes or so though, I do always bring (and consume) a 'not melty' power bar type product (like the PowerBar Harvest, Balance Outdoor, etc.). Signaturejmk in NC > >>In article > >><j663a05j88bluvu4gch1uivov2n9s1u024@4ax.com>, Chris [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > -- > jmk in NC The first ride was a killer for me. I ate breakfast around 7:00am, attended the training class and started the ride at 11:30. This was just too long for me to go without additional food. About 7 miles into the ride I really bonked. It took me over an hour to recover enough to pedal my butt back<g> I'll never do that again. I've been eating my normal breakfast about 1.5 hours before the ride and grabbing a 110 calorie energy bar right before starting the ride - this seems to be working. Beverly >A rather philosophical title for a message that's just musing on a >fairly short-term issue: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Chris >262/152/ (145-150) Why not drop to 148 and be at the top end of the next class down? :-) I know its hard, but truth be told, in the competition sense, if the extra couple lbs do make a big difference, then go for it. If they don't make a substantial difference, they bag it. I'm not into lifting enough for the competitive spirit, but if the extra lbs help you squeak out that extra 20lbs (or whatever it is you need) to beat your competitor, then go for it. > I'm not into lifting enough for the competitive spirit, but if the > extra lbs help you squeak out that extra 20lbs (or whatever it is you > need) to beat your competitor, then go for it. Funny, I just read the thread: everyone says 'gain' except for the Ignoramous. I think the answer emerges startingly clear. :-) Dally >> I'm not into lifting enough for the competitive spirit, but if the >> extra lbs help you squeak out that extra 20lbs (or whatever it is you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Dally I think the mindset in this group is that we all realize that Chris does this for competitive reasons. If it were me coming in saying I don't know whether to do a bulking cycle or a weight loss cycle because I want to gain muscle mass, but lose body fat... then I'm sure the vast majority would answer with "weight loss". But in the case of Chris, we realize it is for compeition purposes. And if the extra weight has a benefit on her competitive state so that she has a better chance of winning the event, then by all means a 1 week gain cycle would be justifiable. >>> I'm not into lifting enough for the competitive spirit, but if the >>> extra lbs help you squeak out that extra 20lbs (or whatever it is you [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > she has a better chance of winning the event, then by all means a 1 > week gain cycle would be justifiable. not knowing much, I am a little skeptical that Chris could accomplish much by a weeklong overeating, as opposed to some carb up one day prior to the competition. Signature---------------------------------------------------------------------------- char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." >Why not drop to 148 and be at the top end of the next class down? >:-) I'm not likely to face any competitors in either class, so it doesn't make too much difference which I'm in, really. And to lose 4 lbs. in 4 days would not affect my strength positively; it would basically be accomplished by dehydration. So I decided not to go that route. Next time I compete I'll likely compete in that class. (This way I can set two records :-) .) >I know its hard, but truth be told, in the competition sense, if the >extra couple lbs do make a big difference, then go for it. If they >don't make a substantial difference, they bag it. The trouble is that I can't really tell if it would make any difference or not. It might -- probably not substantial. >I'm not into lifting enough for the competitive spirit, but if the >extra lbs help you squeak out that extra 20lbs (or whatever it is you >need) to beat your competitor, then go for it. As I mention above, I'm not likely to have a competitor, so it's just a matter of getting the best lift I could. The difference certainly wouldn't be 20 lbs. anyway -- at a max 5-10, probably not even that. Chris 262/152/ (145-150) > As I mention above, I'm not likely to have a competitor, so it's just > a matter of getting the best lift I could. The difference certainly > wouldn't be 20 lbs. anyway -- at a max 5-10, probably not even that. I didn't think you could get a whole lot out of just a few days of eating and a few lbs.... But what do I know. So, the question is.. is the extra 5 to 10lbs going to matter that much to you? Especially if there is no competition to worry about beating out... And - how much of that extra 5 to 10 lbs is really psychological? I mean, really, don't alot of these competitors do a cycle of creatine before a meet to squeak out those extra lbs? That I can see enabling the body to lift more. But in your case, I can't see where an extra 2lbs put on in a couple of days will really increase you that much. I think alot of that increase is really more psychological and the truth of the matter will be that you could really do it without the extra weight. Think about it. And go with what feels right to you. Personally, I wouldn't purposefully put the weight on, but I would try for the extra few lbson the bar... Psych yoruself out! Overcome this. > A rather philosophical title for a message that's just musing on a > fairly short-term issue: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Anyway... I'm not really asking for advice, I guess, but I'm curious > what others might do in such a situation. I'd gain. Consider it a mini-bulking cycle. Any muscle you manage to glean will only help you for-ever-after. It's also an interesting exercise in refeeds. I bet the extra fat will slough off you like lizard-skin when you go back to your normal WOE! Good luck! Dally >I'd gain. Consider it a mini-bulking cycle. Any muscle you manage to >glean will only help you for-ever-after. > >It's also an interesting exercise in refeeds. I bet the extra fat will >slough off you like lizard-skin when you go back to your normal WOE! In a short term like this, it's not really about adding any muscle, but about energy and hydration levels. I'll probably just eat a bit more for the last few days. Chris >>I'd gain. Consider it a mini-bulking cycle. Any muscle you manage to >>glean will only help you for-ever-after. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > but about energy and hydration levels. I'll probably just eat a bit > more for the last few days. can't see why starting to eat more during more than two days in advance is going to help you much. Especially if you are not going to have competitors, why bother with the hassle of gaining/losing? Signature---------------------------------------------------------------------------- char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." > >>I'd gain. Consider it a mini-bulking cycle. Any muscle you manage to > >>glean will only help you for-ever-after. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > advance is going to help you much. Especially if you are not going to > have competitors, why bother with the hassle of gaining/losing? And you know how much about competative lifting??? Martha > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} > "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." Silly question... everything! "MH" > And you know how much about competative lifting??? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} > > "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." Well, no doubt that "PG" and "MH" are big experts in competitive lifting... i > Silly question... everything! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} >> > "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." Signature---------------------------------------------------------------------------- char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." No I'm not but I never claimed I was or tried to offer advice on a subject that I am not an expert in. Please show me a post where I claimed that I was an expert in competitive lifting. > Well, no doubt that "PG" and "MH" are big experts in competitive > lifting... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >> > >> Martha char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} > >> > "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} > "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." > No I'm not but I never claimed I was or tried to offer advice on a subject > that I am not an expert in. Please show me a post where I claimed that I > was an expert in competitive lifting. please show me MY post where I claimed to be an expert on competitive lifting. Chris asked a question on the diet newsgroup, whether she should gain some weight prior to competition (where she would be likely the only competitor in her class). So, my answer as a member of this newsgroup, was that it was not worth it. Had Chris intended to ask experts on competitive lifting, she would ask in misc.fitness.weights or some other similar newsgroup. Your attempts to piss me off are rather pathetic. I am not even very much flattered by your attention, frankly. i >> Well, no doubt that "PG" and "MH" are big experts in competitive >> lifting... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} >> "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." Signature---------------------------------------------------------------------------- char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." I am sure that you are used to not getting much flattery or attention from women. > Your attempts to piss me off are rather pathetic. I am not even > very much flattered by your attention, frankly. > > i > I am sure that you are used to not getting much flattery or attention from > women. That's right, I get it from only one woman... i >> Your attempts to piss me off are rather pathetic. I am not even >> very much flattered by your attention, frankly. >> >> i Signature---------------------------------------------------------------------------- char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." >A rather philosophical title for a message that's just musing on a >fairly short-term issue: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Chris >262/152/ (145-150) Well... I think it boils down to which is more important to you right now, doing better in the competition or getting to the longer term goal of lower weight. It does seem to me that one point of competing at all is to improve how you do in competition... so yeah, I can see why your trainer wants you to do this. Especially if you know you can lose it again... assuming you even gain that much by eating more for a week. And if it's something you'd like to get to a place where you are comfy with it... the only way it'll happen is when you try it and get familiar with how it works. At any rate, good luck whatever you decide to do, as I'm sure your decision will be right for *you*. Cynthia |
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