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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / May 2004Overcoming Binge Eating
This is the title of a book by Christopher Fairburn that I just finished reading and highly recommend. It's written for the general public and geared toward those who feel they may have binge eating disorder, bulimia, or anorexia or for those who are living with someone with the problem or just those who might want to learn more about it. The first part of the book is educational and the second part contains a detailed self-help program. I can't vouch for the self-help program yet - ask me in 6 months. I thought I would share this because there is a lot of misunderstanding about these diseases not only from the general public but even with some health care professionals. It comes highly recommended from the leaders in the field of eating disorders. It contains a lot of good information and clinical data. There are people here in asd who have mentioned problems with binge eating. Hope this helps! Jenn Golly girl - you shour do read alot. :) But that's a good thing! :) > This is the title of a book by Christopher Fairburn that I just finished > reading and highly recommend. It's written for the general public and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Jenn Actually I've been doing a lot more reading cause of the insomnia... Jenn > Golly girl - you shour do read alot. :) But that's a good thing! :) > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > Jenn >Actually I've been doing a lot more reading cause of the insomnia... > >Jenn ....She said in a post w/ a time stamp of 2am. :-) Guess so.... Hope you cure that soon too. I hate boughts of insomnia... it totally interfers with life. > >Actually I've been doing a lot more reading cause of the insomnia... > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Guess so.... Hope you cure that soon too. I hate boughts of > insomnia... it totally interfers with life. I just have to remember to take the Tylenol PM early enough in the evening so that I can get up in the morning :) >> >Actually I've been doing a lot more reading cause of the insomnia... >> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I just have to remember to take the Tylenol PM early enough in the evening >so that I can get up in the morning :) lol... I'm the same way with that stuff. Gotta take it by like 6pm or I won't want to get up in the morning and would sleep till noon. :) or you could stop buying combination medication and just buy what your looking for, which is Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride (benadryl) and take a smaller dose. (using liquid or tablets)  Signaturerosie http://www.johnkerry.com/features/heartandlifetime/email.html : >> >Actually I've been doing a lot more reading cause of the insomnia... : >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] : or I won't want to get up in the morning and would sleep till noon. : :) >or you could stop buying combination medication and just buy what >your looking for, which is >Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride (benadryl) and take a smaller dose. >(using liquid or tablets) benadryl makes me loopy and even though I can't think straight or stand up straight, I can't sleep with it either. DIPHENHYDRAMINE/BENADRYL is the PM in TYLENOL PM. Signaturerosie http://www.johnkerry.com/features/heartandlifetime/email.html : >or you could stop buying combination medication and just buy what : >your looking for, which is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : benadryl makes me loopy and even though I can't think straight or : stand up straight, I can't sleep with it either. But benadryl also has pseudoephedrine (the decongestant) and that makes some of us loopy. > DIPHENHYDRAMINE/BENADRYL is the PM in TYLENOL PM. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > : benadryl makes me loopy and even though I can't think straight or > : stand up straight, I can't sleep with it either. "rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message > or you could stop buying combination medication and just buy what > your looking for, which is > Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride (benadryl) and take a smaller dose. > (using liquid or tablets) No, no, no. It's the acetaminophen in the Tylenol PM that helps cut the loginess caused by the diphenhydramine. If you take straight Benadryl, you'll be even more hung over. One Tylenol PM is 25 mg of Benadryl and 325 mg of Tylenol. If you decide to take the straight medication, no matter what dose of Benadryl you take, always pop an acetaminophen (brand or generic, doesn't matter). Linda, RN 198/148/135 I bought fattitudes a month ago and still haven't finished it because I am so busy. I just had PRK surgery on Friday, so I won't be reading for a while. This sounds like a good one though. > This is the title of a book by Christopher Fairburn that I just finished > reading and highly recommend. It's written for the general public and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Jenn > I bought fattitudes a month ago and still haven't finished it because I am > so busy. I just had PRK surgery on Friday, so I won't be reading for a > while. This sounds like a good one though. That's the laser eye surgery? Hope you can eventually read this post :) I really thought it was a worthwhile read. Fattitudes was good too, but for me this one hit the nail directly on the head. Jenn Yup... and as of yesterday, I can again read magazines! I worked out last night for the first time since the surgery and got to watch the hunks AND see the time on the wall clock. "JMA" > That's the laser eye surgery? Hope you can eventually read this post :) > > I really thought it was a worthwhile read. Fattitudes was good too, but for > me this one hit the nail directly on the head. > > Jenn Jenn, it may not surprise you to know that I already have this book. I agree it's an excellent book. The thing that shone through for me most is that it's written by someone who really does seem to understand the issues, which I think is a rare thing even among medical professionals. Several things he says describe my behaviour very closely. The only area in the first part of the book where I would take issue with him is the way he passes off the physiological effects of binge eating as farily minor - perhaps he hasn't studied anyone who's been at it as long as I have! However, I don't think I will ever be able to commit myself to the recovery programme that he suggests. I think trying to deal with the issue in this way would be something I would be prepared to try if I was much closer to the weight I want to be - until then I find myself totally unable to follow any sort of programme whose first aim isn't to deliver a good weight loss. Of course, I realise I'm trapped in a vicious circle, but understanding that doesn't make it any easier to turn my back on dieting. I'm glad he makes such a strong link between dieting and binge eating, though, as this has been my experience absolutely although I've had people tell me I'm wrong about this. janice >This is the title of a book by Christopher Fairburn that I just finished >reading and highly recommend. It's written for the general public and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Jenn > Jenn, it may not surprise you to know that I already have this book. It doesn't surprise me in the least. The book has been around since '94 or '95 and you appear by your posts to be a very self-aware kinda gal. > I agree it's an excellent book. The thing that shone through for me > most is that it's written by someone who really does seem to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > effects of binge eating as farily minor - perhaps he hasn't studied > anyone who's been at it as long as I have! I agree that he probably hasn't studied the old broads like us who have 20+ years of this behavior under our belts. I don't agree with you that he passes off the effects as minor at all since he goes on at length to discuss the ensuing depression, mood disorders, and general obsession which are all psychological. He does explain that "finding the origin" is really not important in most cases since what triggered you at 15 yrs old is probably not what's keeping it going at 25 (or 35, etc). However, that's my take on the book and I am not saying you're wrong, only that I saw it differently. > However, I don't think I will ever be able to commit myself to the > recovery programme that he suggests. I think trying to deal with the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > dieting and binge eating, though, as this has been my experience > absolutely although I've had people tell me I'm wrong about this. And you will continue to have people tell you that you're wrong because everybody knows everything about everybody else. It was very validating to see the research about the links between dieting and binge behavior. In the appendix 2 he does discuss the need to choose between doing a weight loss program or the recovery program, and he does make some really good points. When I was 300 lbs, my priority was to lose weight. Now at my current weight where it's not putting me at high risk anymore and the fact that I did have the full blown bulimia return for a while, I need to shift my priority because that is a bigger health risk than the 20 lbs I want to lose. Fairburn swears that it is highly unlikely that a person will gain any weight on the recovery program and his arguments made enough sense to me that I'm convincing myself to try it. While the recovery program does require giving up on "dieting," his eating recommendations are very similar to those in the Body for Life program. I'm still finishing the BFL book to see if the two programs would be compatible. I'm seriously considering doing a BFL challenge in about 2 weeks if I truly feel that it won't jeopardize the recovery program. I can totally relate to the difficulty of giving up on dieting - hence the BFL challenge. I'm not 100% sure I'll succeed in that area either - though I think I can eventually adjust to giving up strict or extreme dieting like the author describes especially if I really don't gain any weight on the recovery program. I've been dieting for the last 27 years on and off and even when off I would think about it and plan the next one. You can't just turn your back on that. As always, we need to do what is best for our own selves. Jenn >I agree that he probably hasn't studied the old broads like us who have 20+ >years of this behavior under our belts. I don't agree with you that he [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >not what's keeping it going at 25 (or 35, etc). However, that's my take on >the book and I am not saying you're wrong, only that I saw it differently. I probably didn't express myself very clearly on this. I was thinking more of the actual physical effects on the body, particularly the effects of abusing my body with overeating has had on my entire digestive system - I'll spare you all the details:) I was very interested in the "finding the origin bit" - he describes something I've often thought to myself and have tried to explore in group and 1 to 1 sessions in the past but never solved - that the reasons which cause the behaviour to continue are not (necessarily) what caused it to start in the first place. I'm sure this is true for me, but I can't really get any closer to understanding the reasons. >. Fairburn swears that it is highly unlikely that a person will gain >any weight on the recovery program and his arguments made enough sense to me >that I'm convincing myself to try it. Yes, but for me I don't want to be told I won't gain, I want to be told I'll lose. It's very hard to let go of that, it's the main thing that keeps me going! >While the recovery program does require giving up on "dieting," his eating >recommendations are very similar to those in the Body for Life program. I'm >still finishing the BFL book to see if the two programs would be compatible. >I'm seriously considering doing a BFL challenge in about 2 weeks if I truly >feel that it won't jeopardize the recovery program. Perhaps I should read BFL - I'm not someone to try out everything that's going (and I'm not suggesting you are either, Jenn, I hope that's not how this sounds), but I'm curious about BFL as others have done so well with it and it certainly is a bit different. >As always, we need to do what is best for our own selves. Amen to that. The best people here on asd, IMO, are those who like a healthy discussion, who share their trials and errors and thoughts and ideas, but never forget that we're all different and their way isn't necessarily the right one for others. I'm glad you're going to stay with us, and I look forward to hearing how you get on if you do the BFL challenge. janice >>I agree that he probably hasn't studied the old broads like us LOL - I forgot to mention that I'm a lot older and broader than you Jenn:( janice > I probably didn't express myself very clearly on this. I was thinking > more of the actual physical effects on the body, particularly the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to start in the first place. I'm sure this is true for me, but I > can't really get any closer to understanding the reasons. Whoops, you were clear when you wrote physiological. My fatigue and general brain death saw it as psychological. I agree, I was a little surprised that Fairburn felt there was little physical damage from the overeating itself, but I'd imagine the studies bear that out. Jenn thanks for the info jenn. i think i might take a look for the book myself. Angie > This is the title of a book by Christopher Fairburn that I just finished > reading and highly recommend. It's written for the general public and [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Jenn |
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