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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / May 2004Milestone report and broke stall!
I used all the data I logged recently to calculate what appears to be my body's metabolic rate (10.8 calories per lb per day). Since I want to lose at least 1 kg (2.2 lb) per week, (to start - I realize this must slow down as I get closer to goal), I figured I must eat an average of 1500 calories per day. So I did that, switching back from low-carb-only to low-cal/lower-carb (LC2) starting last week. A week later and - wow! I dropped 2.5 kg = 5.5 lb, breaking my stall. I averaged 60-70 carbs per day while doing this, and am currently only following carb counts as a way of avoiding hunger. Lower carbs, particularly lower-glycemic foods help control hunger. But it is reducing calories that actually helps you lose weight. When I was on my low-calorie diet from 1998 to 2000 (over 700 days) I lost weight almost every single week. There was never a stall or weight gain. So I know that calorie-counting can work. The problem has always been avoiding feeling hungry. That is what I am hoping to solve by also keeping my carbs under control and making lower carb choices. Anyway, I'm please to report that I broke through the 110 kg mark and am now 109 kg! In another 10 kg I'll be at two-digits. I can't wait! I hope that happens this summer! Also, my weight dropped under 240 lb, so another little milestone there as well. And closing in on a 50 lb loss... doug Day 450 since starting dieting again kg: 131/109 lb: 288.2/239.8 BMI: 43/36 Percent body mass lost to date: 16.8 Average lb/week lost since 2/19/2003: 0.75 goal: undecided > I used all the data I logged recently to calculate what appears to be my > body's metabolic rate (10.8 calories per lb per day). Since I want to lose [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > starting last week. A week later and - wow! I dropped 2.5 kg = 5.5 lb, > breaking my stall. There you go Doug! > I averaged 60-70 carbs per day while doing this, and am currently only > following carb counts as a way of avoiding hunger. Lower carbs, particularly > lower-glycemic foods help control hunger. Low glycemic stuff is also quite good tasting. Esp. on LC2. > But it is reducing calories that actually helps you lose weight. > > When I was on my low-calorie diet from 1998 to 2000 (over 700 days) I lost > weight almost every single week. There was never a stall or weight gain. So > I know that calorie-counting can work. Surely! > The problem has always been avoiding feeling hungry. That is what I am > hoping to solve by also keeping my carbs under control and making lower carb > choices. It might work for a while. I am also on LC2, although I eat a lot more carbs than you -- 150 -- and I do feel hungry, even when my weight is stable. It is not terrible, but I would rather not feel hungry. I think that something is broken inside me. I always was like that, an overeater. > Anyway, I'm please to report that I broke through the 110 kg mark and am now > 109 kg! In another 10 kg I'll be at two-digits. I can't wait! I hope that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And closing in on a 50 lb loss... you are not terribly far from being at normal weight. Just remember, quite possibly you will never be able to eat like "naturally thin" people and not feel hungry! Way to go...  Signature---------------------------------------------------------------------------- char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." On 5/14/04 11:05 AM, in article c819i5$u0o$1@pita.alt.net, "Ignoramus27444" <ignoramus27444@NOSPAM.27444.invalid> wrote: >> Anyway, I'm please to report that I broke through the 110 kg mark and am now >> 109 kg! In another 10 kg I'll be at two-digits. I can't wait! I hope that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > you are not terribly far from being at normal weight. Well, according to "charts" I am. At 174 cm (5'8") it would be really nice, in my dreams, to get down to 69 kg. But I think I would be really comfortable at 89 kg, which would mean only 20 kg to go! :) doug > On 5/14/04 11:05 AM, in article c819i5$u0o$1@pita.alt.net, "Ignoramus27444" ><ignoramus27444@NOSPAM.27444.invalid> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > in my dreams, to get down to 69 kg. But I think I would be really > comfortable at 89 kg, which would mean only 20 kg to go! :) yep... that's what I meant. At least the end is in sight somewhere. Signature---------------------------------------------------------------------------- char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." >Well, according to "charts" I am. At 174 cm (5'8") it would be really nice, >in my dreams, to get down to 69 kg. But I think I would be really >comfortable at 89 kg, which would mean only 20 kg to go! :) 69 kg seems like it would be rather skinny for you, unless you have a very small frame. That's what I weigh and I'm a 5'6" woman, and I think it's just about right for me -- I'd like to lose just a couple more pounds. I do have a large frame and quite a lot of muscle, though. A note that will probably be of more interest to the women in the group: This past weekend I visited my mother (who's 88) and found that I could wear some of her pants. She weighs 108 lbs. and I weigh 152. I am bigger in the bust and shoulders and have larger quads than she does, but we are a similar size through the waist, butt, and upper hips. In pants, she's a 6 or 8 and I'm an 8 or 10. Chris >A note that will probably be of more interest to the women in the >group: This past weekend I visited my mother (who's 88) and found >that I could wear some of her pants. She weighs 108 lbs. and I weigh >152. I am bigger in the bust and shoulders and have larger quads than >she does, but we are a similar size through the waist, butt, and upper >hips. In pants, she's a 6 or 8 and I'm an 8 or 10. That *is* interesting, to me. Your mom happens to weigh what I weigh and wear the sizes I wear.... How tall are you, again? And how tall is your mom? (Just curious.) beeswing >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >beeswing I'm 5'6". My mom is a little shorter -- I'd guess between 5'4" and 5'5". She used to be a little taller than me, more like 5'7", but she's gotten a bit shorter with age. Chris On 5/14/04 12:29 PM, in article 5qe8a0tqatqme1mfd4kh8hc3hp4cin4ep0@4ax.com, > 69 kg seems like it would be rather skinny for you, unless you have a > very small frame. That's what I weigh and I'm a 5'6" woman, and I > think it's just about right for me -- I'd like to lose just a couple > more pounds. I do have a large frame and quite a lot of muscle, > though. Most people here in Japan consider that if they are a 174 cm man that their ideal weight would be 64 kg (height in cm minus 110). At 69 that would be a BMI of 23. 64 kg would mean a BMI of 21. According to "government guidelines" (according to webmd.com) 18.5 or less is considered too thin. 25 is already considered the low range of overweight! So maybe 64-69 kg is just right... 89, which is a weight I've been at before in my adult life, seemed very comfortable to me. That would be a BMI of 29 - in the overweight range... doug > On 5/14/04 11:05 AM, in article c819i5$u0o$1@pita.alt.net, "Ignoramus27444" > <ignoramus27444@NOSPAM.27444.invalid> wrote: > > Well, according to "charts" I am. At 174 cm (5'8") it would be really nice, > in my dreams, to get down to 69 kg. But I think I would be really > comfortable at 89 kg, which would mean only 20 kg to go! :) I held firm at 90kg for my last two years in Japan. 6'1". Getting very close to that now, but my waistline is about 4" bigger than then. For me, BMI and pounds don't mean much. The waistline is the ultimate measure of success... > On 5/14/04 11:05 AM, in article c819i5$u0o$1@pita.alt.net, "Ignoramus27444" > <ignoramus27444@NOSPAM.27444.invalid> wrote: > > Well, according to "charts" I am. At 174 cm (5'8") it would be really nice, > in my dreams, to get down to 69 kg. But I think I would be really > comfortable at 89 kg, which would mean only 20 kg to go! :) I held firm at 90kg for my last two years in Japan. 6'1". Getting very close to that now, but my waistline is about 4" bigger than then. For me, BMI and pounds don't mean much. The waistline is the ultimate measure of success... > On 5/14/04 11:05 AM, in article c819i5$u0o$1@pita.alt.net, "Ignoramus27444" > <ignoramus27444@NOSPAM.27444.invalid> wrote: > > Well, according to "charts" I am. At 174 cm (5'8") it would be really nice, > in my dreams, to get down to 69 kg. But I think I would be really > comfortable at 89 kg, which would mean only 20 kg to go! :) I held firm at 90kg for my last two years in Japan. 6'1". Getting very close to that now, but my waistline is about 4" bigger than then. For me, BMI and pounds don't mean much. The waistline is the ultimate measure of success... Doug, What kinds of carbs are you eating and how tall are you? Good for you. On 5/14/04 11:11 AM, in article 10a8amle8qgjnea@corp.supernews.com, "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: > Doug, > > What kinds of carbs are you eating and how tall are you? Good for you. I'm 174 cm (5'8"). Almost all the carbs I've been eating have been vegetables. Before, when I was trying to really limit carbs, I would eat only the lowest of the lowest carb vegies: lettuce, cucumber, broccoli and spinach. That was about it. Now I have switched to just avoiding the highest of the highest carb/GI vegies, like corn and potatoes, and enjoy a greater variety. For example, previously I might cook a 300 gm bag of frozen spinach with dinner. That was 78 calories and 3 grams of net carbs. Lately I will more likely mix in a 250 gm back of mixed vegies (broccoli, cauliflower, carrot slices). That is 84 calories and 17 net carbs. So it is way more carbs than I would have considered on induction-level Atkins, but it doesn't seem to cause hunger, and the calories are very low. Other carbs include things like little bags of snack food they have here in Japan containing things like dried tiny fish with some sliced almonds mixed in (119 calories per bag, 6.4 carbs) and some things like that. Hey - maybe I can start an export business and send them to the U.S.! :) For lunch, I've gone back to adding in a small tomato (25 calories, 3.8 carbs) to my salad, which is also something that seemed like too many carbs to waste on induction level. Oh, and for a late afternoon snack, I've been eating a package of boiled soybeans from the convenience store most days. 139 calories, 9.5 carbs - and since they are shelled it lasts a long time! It gives as much "chewing satisfaction" as eating a back of peanuts, with much fewer calories. So this adds up to 60-70 grams per day, while keeping the calories way down. I don't eat any sugar-alcohol laden foods because I found out they cause digestive problems. And they don't even have Atkins bars or things like that here, so there is no temptation from those. Fortunately I don't have much of a sweet tooth anyway; I got fat more from things like fried chicken than from cake and cookies. Carbs I have been intentionally avoiding so far: - bananas (because I remember how they started cravings the last time I tried this); - microwave products that are low-calorie (under 200 calories per entrée) but have rice or pasta in them. The carbs are typically about 45-50 per dish, and I think they must be very high in the glycemic index, so I am worried that they will only provide short-term satisfaction and provoke hunger; - fruits. I am just starting slow, and didn't want to jump in with a LOT of extra carbs at first. I might start adding in some lower-GI fruits, like strawberries, soon. I would really love to try some raspberries, but haven't been able to find any here! doug > Almost all the carbs I've been eating have been vegetables. Before, when I > was trying to really limit carbs, I would eat only the lowest of the lowest > carb vegies: lettuce, cucumber, broccoli and spinach. That was about it. give shredded cabbage a try, in my opinion it is richer in nutrients and tastes bettert han lettuce. With lettuce, I feel that I am basically paying for green colored water. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." On 5/14/04 12:04 PM, in article c81d0b$6bc$1@pita.alt.net, "Ignoramus27444" <ignoramus27444@NOSPAM.27444.invalid> wrote: >> Almost all the carbs I've been eating have been vegetables. Before, when I >> was trying to really limit carbs, I would eat only the lowest of the lowest [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and tastes bettert han lettuce. With lettuce, I feel that I am > basically paying for green colored water. Actually, I can't stand shredded cabbage. A lot of convenience-store salads here use that instead of lettuce and I always avoid them and look for salads with lettuce. Different tastes I guess! doug I'm with you, I never liked cole slaw, but I love cooked cabbage. Don't know if it's available there, but I have been buying Romaine lettuce, it is tastier and greener than iceberg and has a nice shape for pseudo sandwiches. Good with tuna salad on it. Costco also has mixed/spring greens that are excellent. In news:BCCA7396.3E2A5%doug@lerner.net, Doug Lerner <doug@lerner.net> stated | Actually, I can't stand shredded cabbage. A lot of convenience-store | salads here use that instead of lettuce and I always avoid them and | look for salads with lettuce. Different tastes I guess! | | doug > I'm with you, I never liked cole slaw, but I love cooked cabbage. regular coleslaw has a lot of sugar and some acid added. I do not like it either. > Don't know if it's available there, but I have been buying Romaine > lettuce, it is tastier and greener than iceberg and has a nice shape > for pseudo sandwiches. Good with tuna salad on it. Costco also has > mixed/spring greens that are excellent. Also, check out "chinese cabbage", or "napa cabbage" (same thing). It is in the middle between real cabbage and lettuce, taste and texture-wise. i > In news:BCCA7396.3E2A5%doug@lerner.net, > Doug Lerner <doug@lerner.net> stated [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >| >| doug Signature---------------------------------------------------------------------------- char*p="char*p=%c%s%c;main(){printf(p,34,p,34);}";main(){printf(p,34,p,34);} "It's never too late to have a happy childhood." > On 5/14/04 11:11 AM, in article 10a8amle8qgjnea@corp.supernews.com, "Roger > Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Now I have switched to just avoiding the highest of the highest carb/GI > vegies, like corn and potatoes, and enjoy a greater variety. this is basically my diet now too. I don't avoid carbs, but I also don't ingest anything major that has more carbs than protein & fat. Eating carbs with protein is a good way to avoid hunger. On the old WOE I was a LOT hungrier more often on twice the calories, thanks to the insulin roller coaster. > For example, previously I might cook a 300 gm bag of frozen spinach with > dinner. That was 78 calories and 3 grams of net carbs. yuck. For me, 1500-2000 kcal/day means I don't have to eat rabbit food, ever... > Other carbs include things like little bags of snack food they have here in > Japan containing things like dried tiny fish with some sliced almonds mixed > in (119 calories per bag, 6.4 carbs) and some things like that. Hey - maybe > I can start an export business and send them to the U.S.! :) I think most of my favorite Japanese snacks were horrible food. niku-man: pure fat and starch. The Japanese make the BEST potato chips for some reason, the chicken consomme, and yakiniku-flavored chips. aaraarhggl SOOOOOO tasty! Those miniature cream puffs in the cold section . . . some french name, so good. And my favorite, Koiwai Milk Coffee, 1L of distilled paradise. They also do the salty-choco thing well, like POCKY. I think even the onigiri (my favorites being tuna and salmon) probably have a bad carb/protein ratio. I used to pound a 1L Koiwai coffee with a full buttered (Batard) loaf from Pompadour bakery (hot out of the oven --- man that was good stuff, but talk about the carbs!). As you can tell, I basically lived in AM/PM 1992-2000... > For lunch, I've gone back to adding in a small tomato (25 calories, 3.8 > carbs) to my salad, which is also something that seemed like too many carbs > to waste on induction level. AM/PM microwaved dinners . . . don't get me started... > I don't eat any sugar-alcohol laden foods because I found out they cause > digestive problems. I also lived on XYLISH Xylitol-laced gum. Always gave me great amounts of gas, but I never really made the connection that my gut flora was having a party with the xylitol (a sugar alcohol). > - microwave products that are low-calorie (under 200 calories per > entrée) but have rice or pasta in them. The carbs are typically about 45-50 > per dish, and I think they must be very high in the glycemic index, so I am > worried that they will only provide short-term satisfaction and provoke > hunger; So many good AM/PM bento dinners. Maybe with a hunk of frozen chicken breast the carb balance wouldn't be so bad (thinking about the chicken parmesan entree). > - fruits. I am just starting slow, and didn't want to jump in with a LOT > of extra carbs at first. I might start adding in some lower-GI fruits, like > strawberries, soon. I would really love to try some raspberries, but haven't > been able to find any here! Fruits were never big for me, thanks to the friggin' $5 apple, $10 thompson grapes. I lived really close to National Azabu. I actually chose to move there after I found it :) Much better than Kinokuniya or Meiji-ya. On 5/14/04 5:01 PM, in article dd5de929.0405132304.2a0bedb0@posting.google.com, "Heywood Mogroot" <imouttahere@mac.com> wrote: > As you can tell, I basically lived in AM/PM 1992-2000... We don't have an AM/PM in my neighborhood. Just Sunkus, Family Mart and, recently, a 7/11. > Fruits were never big for me, thanks to the friggin' $5 apple, $10 > thompson grapes. In season apples and grapes are a lot more reasonable. Also if you don't shop at National Azabu! :) doug > I lived really close to National Azabu. I actually chose to move there > after I found it :) Much better than Kinokuniya or Meiji-ya. > On 5/14/04 11:11 AM, in article 10a8amle8qgjnea@corp.supernews.com, "Roger > Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Now I have switched to just avoiding the highest of the highest carb/GI > vegies, like corn and potatoes, and enjoy a greater variety. this is basically my diet now too. I don't avoid carbs, but I also don't ingest anything major that has more carbs than protein & fat. Eating carbs with protein is a good way to avoid hunger. On the old WOE I was a LOT hungrier more often on twice the calories, thanks to the insulin roller coaster. > For example, previously I might cook a 300 gm bag of frozen spinach with > dinner. That was 78 calories and 3 grams of net carbs. yuck. For me, 1500-2000 kcal/day means I don't have to eat rabbit food, ever... > Other carbs include things like little bags of snack food they have here in > Japan containing things like dried tiny fish with some sliced almonds mixed > in (119 calories per bag, 6.4 carbs) and some things like that. Hey - maybe > I can start an export business and send them to the U.S.! :) I think most of my favorite Japanese snacks were horrible food. niku-man: pure fat and starch. The Japanese make the BEST potato chips for some reason, the chicken consomme, and yakiniku-flavored chips. aaraarhggl SOOOOOO tasty! Those miniature cream puffs in the cold section . . . some french name, so good. And my favorite, Koiwai Milk Coffee, 1L of distilled paradise. They also do the salty-choco thing well, like POCKY. I think even the onigiri (my favorites being tuna and salmon) probably have a bad carb/protein ratio. I used to pound a 1L Koiwai coffee with a full buttered (Batard) loaf from Pompadour bakery (hot out of the oven --- man that was good stuff, but talk about the carbs!). As you can tell, I basically lived in AM/PM 1992-2000... > For lunch, I've gone back to adding in a small tomato (25 calories, 3.8 > carbs) to my salad, which is also something that seemed like too many carbs > to waste on induction level. AM/PM microwaved dinners . . . don't get me started... > I don't eat any sugar-alcohol laden foods because I found out they cause > digestive problems. I also lived on XYLISH Xylitol-laced gum. Always gave me great amounts of gas, but I never really made the connection that my gut flora was having a party with the xylitol (a sugar alcohol). > - microwave products that are low-calorie (under 200 calories per > entrée) but have rice or pasta in them. The carbs are typically about 45-50 > per dish, and I think they must be very high in the glycemic index, so I am > worried that they will only provide short-term satisfaction and provoke > hunger; So many good AM/PM bento dinners. Maybe with a hunk of frozen chicken breast the carb balance wouldn't be so bad (thinking about the chicken parmesan entree). > - fruits. I am just starting slow, and didn't want to jump in with a LOT > of extra carbs at first. I might start adding in some lower-GI fruits, like > strawberries, soon. I would really love to try some raspberries, but haven't > been able to find any here! Fruits were never big for me, thanks to the friggin' $5 apple, $10 thompson grapes. I lived really close to National Azabu. I actually chose to move there after I found it :) Much better than Kinokuniya or Meiji-ya. Funny thing, in 8 years in Japan I only gained ~20lbs. Gained 30+ in just 2 1/2 back in the states. Same bad food, but a lot less walking and bicycling. And a lot more real Mt Dew (not that weak piss they sell in Japan). Ooops. > On 5/14/04 11:11 AM, in article 10a8amle8qgjnea@corp.supernews.com, "Roger > Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Now I have switched to just avoiding the highest of the highest carb/GI > vegies, like corn and potatoes, and enjoy a greater variety. this is basically my diet now too. I don't avoid carbs, but I also don't ingest anything major that has more carbs than protein & fat. Eating carbs with protein is a good way to avoid hunger. On the old WOE I was a LOT hungrier more often on twice the calories, thanks to the insulin roller coaster. > For example, previously I might cook a 300 gm bag of frozen spinach with > dinner. That was 78 calories and 3 grams of net carbs. yuck. For me, 1500-2000 kcal/day means I don't have to eat rabbit food, ever... > Other carbs include things like little bags of snack food they have here in > Japan containing things like dried tiny fish with some sliced almonds mixed > in (119 calories per bag, 6.4 carbs) and some things like that. Hey - maybe > I can start an export business and send them to the U.S.! :) I think most of my favorite Japanese snacks were horrible food. niku-man: pure fat and starch. The Japanese make the BEST potato chips for some reason, the chicken consomme, and yakiniku-flavored chips. aaraarhggl SOOOOOO tasty! Those miniature cream puffs in the cold section . . . some french name, so good. And my favorite, Koiwai Milk Coffee, 1L of distilled paradise. They also do the salty-choco thing well, like POCKY. I think even the onigiri (my favorites being tuna and salmon) probably have a bad carb/protein ratio. I used to pound a 1L Koiwai coffee with a full buttered (Batard) loaf from Pompadour bakery (hot out of the oven --- man that was good stuff, but talk about the carbs!). As you can tell, I basically lived in AM/PM 1992-2000... > For lunch, I've gone back to adding in a small tomato (25 calories, 3.8 > carbs) to my salad, which is also something that seemed like too many carbs > to waste on induction level. AM/PM microwaved dinners . . . don't get me started... > I don't eat any sugar-alcohol laden foods because I found out they cause > digestive problems. I also lived on XYLISH Xylitol-laced gum. Always gave me great amounts of gas, but I never really made the connection that my gut flora was having a party with the xylitol (a sugar alcohol). > - microwave products that are low-calorie (under 200 calories per > entrée) but have rice or pasta in them. The carbs are typically about 45-50 > per dish, and I think they must be very high in the glycemic index, so I am > worried that they will only provide short-term satisfaction and provoke > hunger; So many good AM/PM bento dinners. Maybe with a hunk of frozen chicken breast the carb balance wouldn't be so bad (thinking about the chicken parmesan entree). > - fruits. I am just starting slow, and didn't want to jump in with a LOT > of extra carbs at first. I might start adding in some lower-GI fruits, like > strawberries, soon. I would really love to try some raspberries, but haven't > been able to find any here! Fruits were never big for me, thanks to the friggin' $5 apple, $10 thompson grapes. I lived really close to National Azabu. I actually chose to move there after I found it :) Much better than Kinokuniya or Meiji-ya. Funny thing, in 8 years in Japan I only gained ~20lbs. Gained 30+ in just 2 1/2 back in the states. Same bad food, but a lot less walking and bicycling. And a lot more real Mt Dew (not that weak piss they sell in Japan). Ooops. Way to go, Doug! That's quite a big way to break out of a stall! Chris 262/152/ (145-150) |
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