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Laura Wills - 16 May 2004 03:06 GMT
http://www.naafa.org/Newsletters/Spring2004_files/005_Laura2.jpg

WLS is mutilation of an otherwise beautiful and healthy body.
Jason - 16 May 2004 03:51 GMT
>http://www.naafa.org/Newsletters/Spring2004_files/005_Laura2.jpg
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>WLS is mutilation of an otherwise beautiful and healthy body.

I know that this photo does not resemble the very old photos of Bobbi
Sanchez that have been linked to this NG.  However, since she does
strongly maintain that weight gain should not be avoided I am
wondering is the photo on this link could be an updated photo of
Bobbie.

Jason
Cubit - 16 May 2004 05:34 GMT
What is "WLS?"

> http://www.naafa.org/Newsletters/Spring2004_files/005_Laura2.jpg
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> WLS is mutilation of an otherwise beautiful and healthy body.
Aramanth Dawe - 16 May 2004 11:47 GMT
>What is "WLS?"

Weight Loss Surgery.  It may be gastric banding, it may be stomach
stapling, or a roux-N-Y procedure or any other one of a number of
surgically-enforced anorexia situations.

Aramanth
Fran - 16 May 2004 14:55 GMT
>>What is "WLS?"
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>Aramanth

Surgically-enforced anorexia situations?????
How about surgically-enoforced  anti-glutton procedure?

Fran
Lady Veteran - 16 May 2004 16:33 GMT
>>>What is "WLS?"
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>Fran

How about a brain transplant for you?

LV

Lady Veteran
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"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
- -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
- ------------------------------------------------
People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
motive but malice.
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"To Be Is To Do" Plato
"Do Be Do Be Do" Sinatra
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Heather d'Entremont - 16 May 2004 17:04 GMT
hmm...are you JC in drag by any chance LV?

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> >>>What is "WLS?"
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> LV
Lady Veteran - 17 May 2004 03:12 GMT
>hmm...are you JC in drag by any chance LV?

No, Just a person who is mad as hell at people who get their rocks
off by ridicule.

LV

Lady Veteran
- -----------------------------------
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
- -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
- ------------------------------------------------
People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
motive but malice.
- ---------------------------------------------
"To Do Is To Be" Socrates
"To Be Is To Do" Plato
"Do Be Do Be Do" Sinatra
- -------------------------------
Daedalus - 17 May 2004 15:21 GMT
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>LV

You've been "mad as hell" for something like 5 years now. Most people
would call that CRAZY.

HTH

Jade
Me - 17 May 2004 16:40 GMT
>>hmm...are you JC in drag by any chance LV?
>
> No, Just a person who is mad as hell at people who get their rocks
> off by ridicule.

Newsgroups get you mad? You really should seek help.
Aramanth Dawe - 17 May 2004 03:29 GMT
>>>What is "WLS?"
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>Fran

Anorexia means to not eat.  WLS prevents one from eating, not just
excessive amounts but NORMAL amounts of food.

Not all overweight (or even obese) people eat excessive amounts of
food.  Some of us have been unlucky in the genetic stakes.  Others
have had their system crashed by needed medications.  In my case, I
took oral corticosteroids prescribed by a doctor for me as a
pre-adolescent as a last resort when all other treatment for a
condition preventing me from walking had failed.  It worked, but I'm
still paying the price some 30 years later.

Aramanth
Fran - 17 May 2004 05:17 GMT
>>>>What is "WLS?"
>>>
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>Anorexia means to not eat.  WLS prevents one from eating, not just
>excessive amounts but NORMAL amounts of food.

Normal amounts of food is that amount that allows a person to eat and
maintain a reasonable wight but not blob out with layers of fat.
After WLS a person eats far less and their weight goes down to normal
ranges.  When their weight reaches a point where the calorie intake is
sufficient for maintenance but not to add or lose weight stabilization
is reached.

>Not all overweight (or even obese) people eat excessive amounts of
>food.  Some of us have been unlucky in the genetic stakes.  Others
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>condition preventing me from walking had failed.  It worked, but I'm
>still paying the price some 30 years later.

I realize that there are a small percentage of obese people whose
obesity was caused by medications and they remain obese due to
medication.  This is not the case for most obese people.

Fran

>Aramanth
Me - 17 May 2004 16:43 GMT
> Not all overweight (or even obese) people eat excessive amounts of
> food.

Yes they do. The laws of physics dictate that they can
only put on weight if they consume more than they need,
i.e. they consume excessive amounts of food.

> Some of us have been unlucky in the genetic stakes.

You mean with genetics that cause them to transcend the
laws of thermodynamics?
Cubit - 16 May 2004 16:52 GMT
Oh, I see.

I had been afraid of surgery because I saw video of a woman who said she was
still hungry, even after the surgery.

Bariatric surgery will be malpractice, when they realize how easy Atkins can
be.

Cubit
311/247.1/165
dieting since November '03
Low Carb since 12/01/2003
link to chart: http://techmart.com/~cubit/Chart25.gif

PS: I started low carb with my own guess at what low carb should be, and
shunned the idea of picking one of the various plans.  As I learned and
progressed I found that Atkins had the answers that worked.  Now, I actually
have two of his books and regard myself as one of the Atkins faithful.  It
is kind of like a religion.  (I should note that I violate Atkins by not
exercising.)

> >What is "WLS?"
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> Aramanth
wilson - 16 May 2004 19:11 GMT
> Weight Loss Surgery.  It may be gastric banding, it may be stomach
> stapling, or a roux-N-Y procedure or any other one of a number of
> surgically-enforced anorexia situations.

It's also an extreme *last resort* tactic. This is not cosmetic
surgery. It's not for people who "just need to lose a few pounds" or
improve their appearance.

Interestingly, it enforces a low-carb diet because the person 1) loses
their ability to tolerate sugars (it results in something called
"dumping"); 2) there's less space for all the food, so the person
starts focusing on the high-nutrient foods (proteins, vegetables). The
changed gastric architecture helps facilitate changed eating behavior.

My mom's best friend had weight loss surgery recently. She was doing
very badly before. She was in the "morbidly obese" category. This was
a lifesaving, last resort procedure, for her. She was heavy to the
point of being incapacitated. She was barely able to move, and only
getting bigger every year. She had also become diabetic in addition to
having any number of other problems including arthritis and
fibromyalgia.

She looks and feels great now. She has a new lease on life. She used
to be an angry, negative and bitter person, and interestingly, that's
cleared up too.
Auntie Em - 16 May 2004 18:56 GMT
> http://www.naafa.org/Newsletters/Spring2004_files/005_Laura2.jpg
>
> WLS is mutilation of an otherwise beautiful and healthy body.

What is WLS?  Whale Lard Supplements?

Em
wilson - 17 May 2004 04:52 GMT
> What is WLS?  Whale Lard Supplements?

Sounds like one of those Chinese medicines
Kenny - 16 May 2004 20:17 GMT
a friend of mine almost died from that foolishness....WLS.
I was against it from the very start....
I was pleading with her for months not to do it.....but she didnt listen to
me.........:-(
She almost paid with her life for her mistake.

> http://www.naafa.org/Newsletters/Spring2004_files/005_Laura2.jpg
>
> WLS is mutilation of an otherwise beautiful and healthy body.
polar bear - 16 May 2004 21:14 GMT
> a friend of mine almost died from that foolishness....WLS.
> I was against it from the very start....
> I was pleading with her for months not to do it.....but she didnt listen to
> me.........:-(
> She almost paid with her life for her mistake.

Could you provide some details ? as it is, you are only spreading
misinformation about a perfectly valid solution to force fat people into
slimming down.

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polar bear

FOB - 17 May 2004 02:24 GMT
Happened to a councilwoman here:

Weight-Loss Surgery Scrutinized After Death
Detroit Councilwoman Dies After Lap-Band Procedure
POSTED: 3:43 p.m. EDT September 9, 2002
DETROIT -- A newly available form of weight-reduction surgery is in an
unwelcome spotlight after the death of a woman who served on the Detroit
City Council.

BRENDA SCOTT (1954-2002)

Brenda Scott died last week from an infection caused by a stomach
perforation. The Wayne, Mich., County medical examiner classified the cause
of death as an accident caused by a condition called peritonitis.

Scott's death came three days after she underwent a procedure called
Lap-Band Adjustable Gastric Banding. The procedure usually requires five or
six incisions to implant an adjustable ring around the stomach. Patients
usually go home the next day.

The device is designed to induce weight loss by restricting food
consumption. It is produced by INAMED Corp., based in Santa Barbara, Calif.

Scott's stomach lining became infected, according to the medical examiner's
autopsy. Doug Trigg, spokesman for INAMED, said that Scott's post-operative
death was the first since the procedure was approved by the Food and Drug
Administration in 2001.

Trigg said the death rate worldwide has been extremely low -- about 0.005
percent.
The procedure has been performed on nearly 90,000 people in other countries
over the past nine years. It's less invasive than other weight-reduction
surgical options -- including stomach stapling and gastric bypass.

Attorney Geoffrey Fieger, who once represented Dr. Jack Kevorkian, said that
he has been hired by Scott's family to "bring appropriate legal proceedings
against those responsible for her untimely death."

Fieger said two autopsies showed perforations in Scott's stomach. And
according to Feiger, there's no other way the holes could have occurred
except in surgery.

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polar bear <polar@nospam.invalid> stated
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|| I was against it from the very start....
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| polar bear
Lady Veteran - 17 May 2004 04:05 GMT
>> a friend of mine almost died from that foolishness....WLS.
>> I was against it from the very start....
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>misinformation about a perfectly valid solution to force fat people
>into  slimming down.

To conform to what society. to HELL with society.

LV

Lady Veteran
- -----------------------------------
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
- -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
- ------------------------------------------------
People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
motive but malice.
- ---------------------------------------------
"To Do Is To Be" Socrates
"To Be Is To Do" Plato
"Do Be Do Be Do" Sinatra
- -------------------------------
wilson - 17 May 2004 16:44 GMT
> To conform to what society. to HELL with society.

My mom's best friend didn't have WLS to conform with society or to
"look good in a bikini". She had it because the risk of remaining as
fat as she was (she was incapacitated and on disability) to her mind,
outweighed the risk of the surgery. She had multiple health problems
due to how heavy she was, and losing some weight was an immediate
life-saving necessity for her. She accepted the risks of surgery,  as
a calculated risk which to her mind was still lower than the risk of
staying as heavy as she was. It was her choice.

WLS definitely isn't something you do just to "lose a few". I will
never be a candidate. My mom who is in Weight Watchers will never be a
candidate. Even my 80-pounds-overweight acquaintance K. is not a
candidate and would never consider such a thing.

What really troubles me? The fact that some people who are only
somewhat pudgy are now considered "morbidly obese" and would consider
this surgery.

Wilson
Lady Veteran - 17 May 2004 21:42 GMT
>> To conform to what society. to HELL with society.
>
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>Wilson

What troubles me is the idiots who would ridicule someone into
considering such a thing.

LV

Lady Veteran
- -----------------------------------
"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
- -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
- ------------------------------------------------
People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
motive but malice.
- ---------------------------------------------
"To Do Is To Be" Socrates
"To Be Is To Do" Plato
"Do Be Do Be Do" Sinatra
- -------------------------------
Daedalus - 18 May 2004 14:48 GMT
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>LV

Is there a trouble in the world that you don't blame those pesky
"ridiculing idiots" for, obsesso?

Get help, quick!

Jade
Me - 17 May 2004 16:44 GMT
>>Could you provide some details ? as it is, you are only spreading
>>misinformation about a perfectly valid solution to force fat people
>>into  slimming down.
>
> To conform to what society. to HELL with society.

No, most people are overweight, conforming to society means
being overweight. If you want to 'Hell with society' you'd
lose weight.
Ignoramus29075 - 16 May 2004 22:29 GMT
> a friend of mine almost died from that foolishness....WLS.
> I was against it from the very start....
> I was pleading with her for months not to do it.....but she didnt listen to
> me.........:-(
> She almost paid with her life for her mistake.

What happened?

i

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SlipperyStar - 17 May 2004 01:24 GMT
> http://www.naafa.org/Newsletters/Spring2004_files/005_Laura2.jpg
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> WLS is mutilation of an otherwise beautiful and healthy body.

Shhhhhh
WhatIsIt - 17 May 2004 04:33 GMT
>http://www.naafa.org/Newsletters/Spring2004_files/005_Laura2.jpg
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>WLS is mutilation of an otherwise beautiful and healthy body.

Wow, I didn't know Jabba the Hutt was a NAAFA member.

HTH

S*nort
Lady Veteran - 17 May 2004 15:51 GMT
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>S*nort

Come here rump roast. I have an apple and a hot oven waiting for you.

LV

Lady Veteran
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"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..."
-Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil
------------------------------------------------
People who hide behind anonymous remailers and
ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no
motive but malice.
---------------------------------------------
"To Do Is To Be" Socrates
"To Be Is To Do" Plato
"Do Be Do Be Do" Sinatra
-------------------------------
 
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