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linda-renee - 16 May 2004 14:51 GMT
Hi from an off-and-on lurker, long-standing Usenet veteran.

I'm a 46 yo nurse, compulsive eater, one-time bulimic (a bout with Ipecac
cured me of that!).  Yo-yo dieter of many years.

I had an epiphany in a trying room mirror a year ago--it was actually my
teenager trying on clothes, but I was there!  I was motivated to lose weight
and I did.  I started doing WW on my own, then switched to just eating what
I wanted, but in reasonable quantities.  I lost interest in junk food, and
really enjoyed having salads and fruit for snacks.  I added exercise (mostly
step, with some toning and weights) and did very well, going from 198 to 138
in about six months, a size 16 to a size 6.  I was feeling good, could see
the tone in my muscles, wasn't happy still having a flabby gut despite many
ab exercises but figured it was probably some loose skin.

People started telling me I was too thin.  I don't think 5'6" and 140 pounds
is too thin.  I started to lose focus, stopped exercising, and stopped
paying attention to what I ate.  I am back eating the junk food, too.  I am
gorging compulsively and have put ten pounds back on, with no end in sight.
If I could stop now I'd be ok, but there's no reason to think I am going to
stop now.  I can't stand the thought of starting to work out again, with the
DOMS and the sweat and all that, although I know I need it.  Food is calling
my name, whether I'm physically hungry or not.  I know that eating when you
are hungry is the key to fighting compulsive eating.

Would be interested in comments and/or support.  TIA.

Linda
Dally - 16 May 2004 15:39 GMT
> Hi from an off-and-on lurker, long-standing Usenet veteran.
>
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>
> Linda

Hi Linda,

I'm a post-snipper and I couldn't find anything to snip in your post.  I
want to comment on the whole of it.

First, congratulations on your epiphany.  My fat loss started with an
epiphany, too.  I decided I wanted to lose fat and just figured out what
I needed to do to do that.  I've gone from a 22 to a size 14 and I'm
still shrinking.

I think WW has some flaws and I just want to touch on that, although you
know more about how you followed the program than I do.  First of all,
WW is about "weight", and I really think you need to be about "body fat
percentages".  I have no idea if 140 was too skinny: 140 pounds of WHAT?
 If you are still at 28% body fat then you were probably too pudgy at
140.  But if you were at 23% body fat (my goal) then you were probably
lithe and strong at 140, even if your skin didn't reflect it (yet).

About skin - I think mine is starting to make a tad bit of progress,
nearly two years into my fat loss.  Drink lots of water, eat lots of
fish, use lotions (mine has alpha-hydroxy in it) and be patient.

Part of my fat-loss journey has meant focusing on different struggles
along the way.  I've had lots of them: how to get enough water in the
cold winter when I don't feel like guzzling from the fridge, how to
address my eating-for-entertainment, how to fit exercise in, how to
dress myself... I swear, some struggles sound big and some sound small,
but they were all things I had to focus on and figure out.

My weight loss program is this:

1. Eat less
2. Exercise more
3. Repeat
4. Forever.

Please don't neglect to consider steps 3 and 4... they require their own
struggles and attention.  It's what I'm working on right now.  (My knee
is slightly injured and I'm struggling to figure out how to change my
exercise and how to eat even less because I'm not as active, for example.)

It sounds to me like you need to sit down in a quiet room and figure out
why you are over-eating.  I really liked a small book called
"Fattitudes" by a husband and wife team (Willert?) that explores the
emotional reasons for eating.  It was important for me to stare them in
the eye.  I recommend you do that introspective work.  If you can't get
it on your own, seek professional help.  It's too important a piece of
the whole picture to let it slide.

I also hope you'll join us as we work through the various steps in this
journey.  We're at different places and have different weak spots, but
we all have insights and ideas and some of them might strike you just right.

Good luck!

Dally
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JMA - 16 May 2004 19:25 GMT
> Hi from an off-and-on lurker, long-standing Usenet veteran.
>
> I'm a 46 yo nurse, compulsive eater, one-time bulimic (a bout with Ipecac
> cured me of that!).  Yo-yo dieter of many years.

> Food is calling
> my name, whether I'm physically hungry or not.  I know that eating when you
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Linda

Hi Linda,
Dally gave some great advice in her reply to you and I don't have much to
add.  It's really hard, actually near impossible to curb compulsive eating
only by eating when you are "hungry."  One of the problems with an eating
disorder is that the signals are screwed up.  The program that I'm on
encourages eating 6x a day at regular intervals whether you are "hungry" or
not and surprisingly whether you are still binge eating or not.  It's a
behavioral approach that will eventually curb the binges to the point that
you can actually gain control over them and stop them (or so I hope).

The 6 meals a day plan is also encouraged by Body for Life/Eating for Life
and the author Bill Phillips has numerous studies he cites in his books that
encourage frequent small meals to keep the metabolism working more
efficiently.

The program that I'm using right now is in a book called Overcoming Binge
Eating by Christopher Fairburn and I highly recommend it (the book, not
necessarily the program).

Jenn
Ignoramus29075 - 16 May 2004 19:31 GMT
Hi Linda, I am also a compulsive eater, and I want to eat even after I
had enough. I have two thoughts here, 5'6" and 140 lbs is pretty thin,
maybe thinner than your "setpoint", maybe that's why you are
hungry. Secondly, this compulsive eating is not going to go away and
we simply need to learn to live with it and compensate for it. The way
I compensate is, I do not eat after 6 pm (when I have too much access
to the fridge), and I eat a lot of low calorie vegetables. (3-5 lbs
per day). Been maintaining my weight loss for 8 months.

Dropping foods that are hard to resist also helps.

i
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janice - 16 May 2004 19:43 GMT
>Hi Linda, I am also a compulsive eater, and I want to eat even after I
>had enough. I have two thoughts here, 5'6" and 140 lbs is pretty thin,
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>i
>223/173/180

I hope someone else can respond to this better than I could.  I'm
speechless!

janice
JMA - 16 May 2004 19:57 GMT
> >Hi Linda, I am also a compulsive eater, and I want to eat even after I
> >had enough. I have two thoughts here, 5'6" and 140 lbs is pretty thin,
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>
> janice

Don't look at me, I've given up.  It's almost funny after reading the
Fairburn book, if it weren't so sad in reality.

Jenn

P.S. - Janice - could you please send me your email address if you wouldn't
mind. bjenniferb at yahoo dot com
Dally - 16 May 2004 20:04 GMT
> Hi Linda, I am also a compulsive eater, and I want to eat even after I
> had enough. I have two thoughts here, 5'6" and 140 lbs is pretty thin,
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> i
> 223/173/180

Igor, people with eating disorders do not consider you to have an eating
disorder.  Your information is so wrong that it upsets people every time
you post.

I'm glad that your little tricks and willpower do the job for you, but
please stop projecting this as a solution to binge eating disorders.

Dally
JMA - 16 May 2004 20:20 GMT
> > Hi Linda, I am also a compulsive eater, and I want to eat even after I
> > had enough. I have two thoughts here, 5'6" and 140 lbs is pretty thin,
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>
> Dally

Actually I believe he probably does have an eating disorder as his thinking
and "logic" is very disordered. The problem is that he thinks he's normal
and that his approach is healthy for everyone when in reality it just
perpetuates the cycle.  But, again, he's never wrong, the rest of us are.

Jenn
MH - 17 May 2004 04:10 GMT
> Hi Linda, I am also a compulsive eater, and I want to eat even after I
> had enough. I have two thoughts here, 5'6" and 140 lbs is pretty thin,
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>
> i

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Perple Gyrl - 17 May 2004 04:55 GMT
Don't try to flatter him with your attention... It won't work!

"MH" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MH - 18 May 2004 03:42 GMT
> Don't try to flatter him with your attention... It won't work!
>
> "MH" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Smirk...hey, if laughing at ignorant is as if he had toilet paper stuck on
their shoes and it flatters him, so be it. : D

Martha
what a dipshit
hahahahahaha!!!!!!!
J.J. Marie - 18 May 2004 21:00 GMT
Hark! I heard "linda-renee"
<lovemycatsbuthatethatspam@meow!postmark.net> say:

> Hi from an off-and-on lurker, long-standing Usenet veteran.

Hmmm, I remember a "Linda-Renee" from a.a-s, once upon a time. :-)

<snip>

> I was motivated to lose weight
> and I did.  I started doing WW on my own, then switched to just eating what
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> People started telling me I was too thin.  

Yikes! Why do people feel compelled to make comments like that??

> I don't think 5'6" and 140 pounds is too thin. I started to lose
> focus, stopped exercising, and stopped paying attention to what I
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Would be interested in comments and/or support.  TIA.

Well, look at it this way -- you can work off that 10 pounds now or
work off a lot more a year from now. Stop the bad habits before it
really does get out of hand -- you know what to do, and you know you
can do it! You must want to, or you wouldn't be here. At least, that's
my 2 cents worth... :-)

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linda-renee - 19 May 2004 01:34 GMT
"J.J. Marie" <jjmarie40@COLDmail.com> wrote in message

> Hark! I heard "linda-renee"
> <lovemycatsbuthatethatspam@meow!postmark.net> say:

> > Hi from an off-and-on lurker, long-standing Usenet veteran.

> Hmmm, I remember a "Linda-Renee" from a.a-s, once upon a time. :-)

If you mean the rathole formerly known as alt.aol-sucks, that would be me.
Funny anyone should remember me.  It used to be a fun, silly diversion
before the virtual vermin took over.  Who did you used to be???

>> People started telling me I was too thin.

>Yikes! Why do people feel compelled to make comments like that??

Doggoned if I know.  I certainly didn't feel too thin.  And it is the same
weight at which people used to tell me I was fat.  Any wonder I have an
eating disorder???

I am going the slow route, not dieting, but trying to regain awareness of my
eating and my reasons for eating.  I am under a lot of stress right now (my
mother is dying, I am in the process of changing jobs, my teenager is giving
me fits, etc.) and that usually leads to a lot of emotional need for comfort
food.  I have to convince my soul that comfort food isn't really all that
comforting, but there's quite the battle going on within.

Thanks to everyone who responded.
J.J. Marie - 20 May 2004 17:15 GMT
Hark! I heard "linda-renee"
<lovemycatsbuthatethatspam@meow!postmark.net> say:
> "J.J. Marie" <jjmarie40@COLDmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Funny anyone should remember me.  It used to be a fun, silly diversion
> before the virtual vermin took over.  Who did you used to be???

<65q62a$uq5$2@brokaw.wa.com>

> >> People started telling me I was too thin.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> weight at which people used to tell me I was fat.  Any wonder I have an
> eating disorder???

Yeesh! People can be so thoughtless. The important thing is how *you*
feel, not what they think. :-)

> I am going the slow route, not dieting, but trying to regain awareness of my
> eating and my reasons for eating.  I am under a lot of stress right now (my
> mother is dying, I am in the process of changing jobs, my teenager is giving
> me fits, etc.) and that usually leads to a lot of emotional need for comfort
> food.  I have to convince my soul that comfort food isn't really all that
> comforting, but there's quite the battle going on within.

I'm sorry to hear about your mom -- I lost mine to cancer six years ago.
I think if I were in your place, I'd probably be fighting a similar
battle. Breaking away from "comfort" food can be hard enough without a
bunch of stress thrown in...

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J.J. Marie - 21 May 2004 01:45 GMT
I posted this earlier this week, but my server can be kinda hit
and miss at times:

Hark! I heard "linda-renee"
<lovemycatsbuthatethatspam@meow!postmark.net> say:
> "J.J. Marie" <jjmarie40@COLDmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Funny anyone should remember me.  It used to be a fun, silly diversion
> before the virtual vermin took over.  Who did you used to be???

<65q62a$uq5$2@brokaw.wa.com>

> >> People started telling me I was too thin.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> weight at which people used to tell me I was fat.  Any wonder I have
> an eating disorder???

Yeesh! People can be so thoughtless. The important thing is how *you*
feel, not what they think. :-)

> I am going the slow route, not dieting, but trying to regain awareness
> of my eating and my reasons for eating.  I am under a lot of stress
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> comfort food isn't really all that comforting, but there's quite the
> battle going on within.

I'm sorry to hear about your mom -- I lost mine to cancer six years ago.
I think if I were in your place, I'd probably be fighting a similar
battle. Breaking away from "comfort" food can be hard enough without a
bunch of stress thrown in...

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