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Doug Lerner - 22 May 2004 14:55 GMT
The last two weeks I've been back on low-calorie, lower-carb (LC2). The goal
was to keep at about 1500 calories while avoiding high-glycemic carbs that
cause hunger spikes.

I lost 3 kg = 6.6 lb during these 2 weeks.

Before this period I had a period of low-cal, followed by a period of
low-carb. I stopped losing weight under just low-carb, which is why I
switched back to low-cal again.

Anyway, the exact figures for the last two weeks are:

Average daily calories: 1422 (I was aiming for 1500)
Average daily carbs: 57
Average weight (assuming linear weight loss): 242 lb

Since I lost 6.6 lb, that was a total caloric deficit of 23,100 calories
over 15 days, or a daily average deficit of 1540 calories.

That means my average daily "maintenance" calories are 2962 calories.
Anything less than this amount means I should lose weight.

This comes to 2962 cal / 242 lb = 12.24 cal/lb. That is in the range of
normal metabolism.

This indicates to me that I could probably up my daily calories by a few
hundred calories and still maintain a 2 lb/week weight loss for the time
being.

I think the number of calories I eat should depend on my goal weight
somewhat. After all, when I reach goal I will have to maintain that number
of calories for the rest of my life, so I might as well get used to that
now, right?

I'm 174 cm tall. Assuming a high range BMI goal of 25, that means my goal
should be about 75 kg. That would mean a "lifetime daily average calories"
of

   75 x 2.2 x 12.24 = 2020 calories/day. About 2000 calories per day.

If I ate that much now it should mean a weekly calorie deficit of about 6734
calories, or about a 1.9 lb loss per week - almost 2 lb/week.

Assuming 10% error for safety (after all, it's a human body we're talking
about, not machine parts) I might try to up my 1500 calories/day to 1800 for
a while and see what happens.

Gee, I wish I weren't leaving on that overseas trip for month on Wednesday.
That is sure going to confuse the issue!

doug
Ignoramus16760 - 22 May 2004 15:11 GMT
> The last two weeks I've been back on low-calorie, lower-carb (LC2). The goal
> was to keep at about 1500 calories while avoiding high-glycemic carbs that
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> hundred calories and still maintain a 2 lb/week weight loss for the time
> being.

If I were you, I would up the calories by about 300 and also exercise
off those extra 300 calories. Makes long term dieting more
palatable. (you may be already exercising a lot, in which case my
advice is impractical, but you have not mentioned exercise in your
post).

i
Doug Lerner - 22 May 2004 15:28 GMT
On 5/22/04 11:11 PM, in article c8nn1u$ni3$0@pita.alt.net, "Ignoramus16760"
<ignoramus16760@NOSPAM.16760.invalid> wrote:

> If I were you, I would up the calories by about 300 and also exercise
> off those extra 300 calories. Makes long term dieting more
> palatable. (you may be already exercising a lot, in which case my
> advice is impractical, but you have not mentioned exercise in your
> post).

I didn't mention it in this post, but mentioned it a bit in others. I am
increasing my exercise each day. I will be doing more, I hope. Good advice.
Thanks.

doug
Roger Zoul - 22 May 2004 16:11 GMT
:: On 5/22/04 11:11 PM, in article c8nn1u$ni3$0@pita.alt.net,
:: "Ignoramus16760" <ignoramus16760@NOSPAM.16760.invalid> wrote:
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:: I am increasing my exercise each day. I will be doing more, I hope.
:: Good advice. Thanks.

Of course, this will throw off your calculations...but I'm sure you realize
that...

:: doug
Doug Lerner - 23 May 2004 00:40 GMT
On 5/23/04 12:11 AM, in article 10aurd27ectgpb8@corp.supernews.com, "Roger
Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote:

> :: On 5/22/04 11:11 PM, in article c8nn1u$ni3$0@pita.alt.net,
> :: "Ignoramus16760" <ignoramus16760@NOSPAM.16760.invalid> wrote:
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> Of course, this will throw off your calculations...but I'm sure you realize
> that...

Yes. I was thinking that my current level of activity, which includes the
bullworker and dog walks, would consist of "base metabolism". And anything
extra I did, like cycling or swimming, could be used to add bonus calories!
:)

doug
Roger Zoul - 22 May 2004 16:10 GMT
This sounds like good stuff to me, Doug.  Good luck and let it know how it
works for you.

:: The last two weeks I've been back on low-calorie, lower-carb (LC2).
:: The goal was to keep at about 1500 calories while avoiding
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::
:: doug
GaryG - 22 May 2004 16:20 GMT
> The last two weeks I've been back on low-calorie, lower-carb (LC2). The goal
> was to keep at about 1500 calories while avoiding high-glycemic carbs that
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>
> doug

I love numbers, so good post, Doug.  I think you've done a pretty good job
of crunching your numbers.  That's a very interesting way of calculating
your daily caloric needs...I might steal that one <g>.

One thing to watch out for is dependence on any two weigh-in values.  Daily
weight can fluctuate by 1-4 pounds per day, so your 3 kg loss might be
greater or lesser than that in actuality.  To account for these normal
fluctuations, my WeightWare program (http://www.WeightWare.com) uses linear
regression and exponentially smoothed moving averages to filter out the
"noise" in weight data.

If you'd rather have a program do those calculations for you, you can
download a free, fully functional, 45-day trial version from the website.
Given your level of experience and comfort with the math, I would value your
feedback and suggestions.

GG
http://www.WeightWare.com
Your Weight and Health Diary
JC Der Koenig - 22 May 2004 16:23 GMT
If you spent as much time lifting weights as you do playing with your stupid
charts, you might actually make some progress.

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> > The last two weeks I've been back on low-calorie, lower-carb (LC2). The
> goal
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> >
> > doug
Roger Zoul - 22 May 2004 18:41 GMT
:: I love numbers, so good post, Doug.  I think you've done a pretty
:: good job of crunching your numbers.  That's a very interesting way
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:: website. Given your level of experience and comfort with the math, I
:: would value your feedback and suggestions.

I really enjoy your Cyclistats software (I bought it recently under my
RN)...I may try your Weightware program, just to see how it works.  Tracking
weight is not as important to me as keeping up with my rides :)

Are you open to listening (off ng) to some suggestions about Cyclistats?  I
have one or two "pet" features I'd love to see added :)
GaryG - 22 May 2004 22:44 GMT
> :: I love numbers, so good post, Doug.  I think you've done a pretty
> :: good job of crunching your numbers.  That's a very interesting way
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> Are you open to listening (off ng) to some suggestions about Cyclistats?  I
> have one or two "pet" features I'd love to see added :)

Absolutely!  Now is a good time too, because I'm close to starting work on a
bunch of new features for version 3.0.  So send your suggestions
along...easiest way is by clicking on Help / Send Email to Tech Support from
within the program, or by email to CycliStatsSupport (at) shastasoftware
(dot) com.

  ~_-*
...G/ \G
http://www.CycliStats.com
CycliStats - Software for Cyclists
Doug Lerner - 23 May 2004 00:45 GMT
Sounds interesting. And I agree that smoothing the data and constantly
refining it over time is better.

Actually, moving averages would probably be better than "overall" averages.

I use Mac OS X. Is a version available for that?

doug

On 5/23/04 6:44 AM, in article 10avidp57k49jf2@corp.supernews.com, "GaryG"
<garyg@shasta_SPAMBEGONE_software.com> wrote:

>> :: I love numbers, so good post, Doug.  I think you've done a pretty
>> :: good job of crunching your numbers.  That's a very interesting way
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> http://www.CycliStats.com
> CycliStats - Software for Cyclists
GaryG - 23 May 2004 01:18 GMT
> Sounds interesting. And I agree that smoothing the data and constantly
> refining it over time is better.
>
> Actually, moving averages would probably be better than "overall" averages.
>
> I use Mac OS X. Is a version available for that?

Sorry, no.  It's a Windows program.  I think it could run under Virtual PC
(one of my other programs has at least on Mac user that I'm aware of who
uses Virtual PC).

GG

> doug
>
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> > http://www.CycliStats.com
> > CycliStats - Software for Cyclists
Cubit - 22 May 2004 22:01 GMT
You could up your calories by 300.  I expect you would get the results you
want.  Are you uncomfortable with 1422 calories per day?  The opportunity to
stay with your current caloric numbers and achieve the weight loss a little
faster should be enticing.

We have similar numbers.  I'm at 244.9 and losing between 2.3 and 2.9 pounds
per week.  My calories are around 1400 per day per FitDay.  My goal was
1600, but as I found I could do better, I adopted it.

The key to controling appetite for me is to make sure I have a high fat
intake.  I have been studying which foods give me the best satiety for the
same amount of calories.  My leading foods are grated cheese (Romano and
Parmesan mix) and cream cheese.  Farther down the list are low carb ice
cream, heavy cream, and walnut oil.  Sometimes I mix them.  Ever tried
grated cheese mixed with heavy cream and liquid splenda in a bowl?  Yum.

Cubit
311/244.9/165
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Doug Lerner - 23 May 2004 00:43 GMT
On 5/23/04 6:01 AM, in article

> You could up your calories by 300.  I expect you would get the results you
> want.  Are you uncomfortable with 1422 calories per day?  The opportunity to
> stay with your current caloric numbers and achieve the weight loss a little
> faster should be enticing.

It is. So I am undecided.

I am ok with my goal of aiming for 1500 calories per day, though I do feel a
bit hungry at times.

I just worry whether I can stick with this starting Wednesday when I start a
one month trip to fat heaven (the United States). :)

> We have similar numbers.  I'm at 244.9 and losing between 2.3 and 2.9 pounds
> per week.  My calories are around 1400 per day per FitDay.  My goal was
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> cream, heavy cream, and walnut oil.  Sometimes I mix them.  Ever tried
> grated cheese mixed with heavy cream and liquid splenda in a bowl?  Yum.

Except for the liquid splenda it sounds good! :)

I too find that high fat, lower carb foods help with hunger control. That is
the part of this diet I take from the low-carb group.

doug
Cubit - 23 May 2004 03:20 GMT
> I just worry whether I can stick with this starting Wednesday when I start a
> one month trip to fat heaven (the United States). :)

Our fast food will fatten you up very well.

Here in California, many restaurants have some breakfast items available all
day.  That can make low carb easy.
Doug Lerner - 23 May 2004 04:08 GMT
On 5/23/04 11:20 AM, in article

>> I just worry whether I can stick with this starting Wednesday when I start
> a
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> Here in California, many restaurants have some breakfast items available all
> day.  That can make low carb easy.

My sister send me a video tape of a U.S. TV show the other day. The
commercials were.... scary! :)

One had this restaurant chain advertising a 16 oz huge steak piled high with
what looked like bacon stuff. Low-carb? Maybe. Fattening. Without a doubt!

doug
Chris Braun - 23 May 2004 04:22 GMT
>On 5/23/04 11:20 AM, in article
>
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>
>doug

Well, you don't have to get that stuff.  It's possible to order
healthy food at almost all restaurants, if you're careful.  And most
are happy to adapt the food somewhat if you wish -- e.g., leaving out
the butter or serving salad dressing on the side.  

You will still probably be served too much food in many places, so
you'll need to be disciplined about not eating it all.  Will you be in
a situation where it's feasible to bring food home with you?  If so,
that's very much accepted here.  It will also help if you have some
ability to make your own breakfasts or lunches on occasion.

Some people like to just order an appetizer in order to have a smaller
portion.  The problem with this strategy is that many restaurants
don't have any healthy appetizers -- just fried things.

If you like Asian food, there are lots of places where you can get
reasonably healthy food in more manageable portions.

Chris
Doug Lerner - 23 May 2004 07:29 GMT
On 5/23/04 12:22 PM, in article ut50b0h3khp4pudt0d8631hi6bqapovk3u@4ax.com,

>> On 5/23/04 11:20 AM, in article
>>
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>
> Chris

Fortunately, half the time I'm there I will be in a house I own in Missouri,
so I will just shop and cook for myself.

doug
Carol Frilegh - 23 May 2004 12:00 GMT
> On 5/23/04 12:22 PM, in article ut50b0h3khp4pudt0d8631hi6bqapovk3u@4ax.com,
>
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>
> doug

Sushi, eggs, salads, fresh fruit bowls, sliced turkey, malf melon or
grapefruit, seafood, broiled meats. Where there's a will there are
ususally relatives :-)
Heywood Mogroot - 23 May 2004 20:52 GMT
> You will still probably be served too much food in many places, so
> you'll need to be disciplined about not eating it all.  Will you be in
> a situation where it's feasible to bring food home with you?  If so,
> that's very much accepted here.

When I took my mom out for Mother's Day, for the first time in my life
I got a doggy box.
I actually asked for it when I ordered, and when the food came I
immediately put half in the box.

Made a very good dinner the next day, too.

> If you like Asian food, there are lots of places where you can get
> reasonably healthy food in more manageable portions.

whenever I came back to the states from Japan, I really avoided asian
food, except Panda Express. Oddly, American Chinese food is much
better than Japanese Chinese food. Probably the extra sugar & starch,
but eg. I could never find a simple beef & broccoli dish in 8 years of
trying in Japan. Lots of soupy & greasy noodle dishes, though.

> Chris
Carol Frilegh - 23 May 2004 11:57 GMT
> On 5/23/04 11:20 AM, in article
>
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>
> doug

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