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Food & Exercise -- 5/21/2004 (yesterday)

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Chris Braun - 22 May 2004 15:31 GMT
Food:

6:45 (home): ready-to-drink chocolate protein shake

9:15 (work, brought from home): apple

12:30 (restaurant): 4 oz. grilled salmon, grilled in a little butter;
2 oz. steamed broccoli; 2 oz. steamed carrots

6:30 (Indian restaurant): 5 mussels in a sort of tomato broth (split
appetizer with friend); 5 medium-sized tandoori-style shrimp; 1/2 cup
curried veggies (cauliflower, carrots, broccoli, peas)

8:00 (wine tasting); 7 oz. wines (sweet ones -- tokay and sauternes);
tiny portions of each of the following, for evaluating the pairing
with different wines: smoked salmon, celery stalk filled w/ blue
cheese, bread w/ fig preserves, toast w/ tapenade (olive spread), rye
bread w/ liver pate, walnuts, spiced apple in puff pastry

Totals: 1395 calories (150 from alcohol), 53g fat (34%), 100g carbs
(29%), 96g protein (27%)

Exercise:

Cardio program, week 1, threshold day: 15 minutes running on treadmill
at 5.0 mph  {The idea was to pick the max speed I can sustain for 15
minutes.  I didn't know what to pick, but this turned out to be rather
low.  I'll gradually up it.)

Chris
262/150/ (145-150)
Dally - 22 May 2004 16:17 GMT
> Food:
>
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> Totals: 1395 calories (150 from alcohol), 53g fat (34%), 100g carbs
> (29%), 96g protein (27%)

How on earth do you track the calories of this sort of finger food?  I
have enough trouble just remembering which items (and how much) I
scarfed in this sort of social situation.  One of the reasons I don't
calorie count is because I find it so onorous to add up unique items
like that.

> Exercise:
>
> Cardio program, week 1, threshold day: 15 minutes running on treadmill
> at 5.0 mph  {The idea was to pick the max speed I can sustain for 15
> minutes.  I didn't know what to pick, but this turned out to be rather
> low.  I'll gradually up it.)

I woke up this morning to go to my running group.  I got out of bed, put
on running clothes and felt my knees throbbing.  Hmmmm.  I decided to do
another "be-kind-to-my-knees" day.  (I've been doing a fair amount of
those since my knee went "ping" nearly two weeks ago.)

But the one thing I *have* done is run a mile at 5.0 - it's my normal
warm-up.  I don't even consider it a cardio workout.  I tend to start
out by walking for a minute or two, then walk for a minute or two after
the mile run, so it ends up taking 15 minutes.

What do you do for a normal warm-up before weight-lifting?

> Chris
> 262/150/ (145-150)

Dally
(weigh-in comes later today)
Chris Braun - 22 May 2004 22:14 GMT
>> 8:00 (wine tasting); 7 oz. wines (sweet ones -- tokay and sauternes);
>> tiny portions of each of the following, for evaluating the pairing
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>calorie count is because I find it so onorous to add up unique items
>like that.

I just sort of guess.  I estimate the quantity of the stuff for which
I have calorie information (blue cheese, bread, tapenade, pate,
walnuts).  If it's something I don't have now and wouldn't expect to
find online, like a mini puffed pastry with spiced apple in it, I just
substitute something I do have that seems of a similar size and
nature.  In this case I used a mini cream puff -- similar size, more
fat in the filling but less in the pastry, so I figure it sort of
balances out.  After all, it doesn't matter that much if I get it all
right.  It's what I eat that counts, not what I write down.  But I
like to make the effort to try to understand what I'm eating.  I think
my awareness continues to grow over time as a result of this exercise.

>I woke up this morning to go to my running group.  I got out of bed, put
>on running clothes and felt my knees throbbing.  Hmmmm.  I decided to do
>another "be-kind-to-my-knees" day.  (I've been doing a fair amount of
>those since my knee went "ping" nearly two weeks ago.)

This sounds wise.  Running is a bad idea if your knees hurt.

>But the one thing I *have* done is run a mile at 5.0 - it's my normal
>warm-up.  I don't even consider it a cardio workout.  I tend to start
>out by walking for a minute or two, then walk for a minute or two after
>the mile run, so it ends up taking 15 minutes.

My easy run pace is 4.6.  I'm pretty short-legged, so this is a little
faster for me than for some people.  (Once there was a really tall
long-legged guy on the treadmill next to me running at 8.0 and he was
moving his legs about as fast as me, just twice as far :-) .)  And I
haven't been doing much more cardio lately than occasional 1-mile runs
at 4.6, as its not something one emphasizes during competition season.
So I wasn't sure of a good pace for a 15 minute run (and that is
running for the full 15 minutes, so it's more than a mile; I don't
count any prior or post walking in that.)  But this was too slow for
something that's supposed to be a max effort, so I will work up.  I
had told myself that I just wanted to keep my heart rate below 170 (as
a way of judging if it's too much), and it never got over 155 and
mostly hovered more around 150.  

I find it hard to judge how much exertion I can safely handle.  I once
tried to run a mile at 6.0 and backed off after about 7-8 minutes; it
just felt too hard.  But perhaps I could have done it if I just pushed
myself more or had a greater tolerance for discomfort.  It's just that
my body tells me it doesn't want to keep going :-).  I mean, it's not
like I can judge my max intensity by going until I fall off the
treadmill and then saying, "Okay, it must be just under this."

>What do you do for a normal warm-up before weight-lifting?

I don't warm up before lifting unless I'm actually cold, in which case
I might bike for a couple of minutes.  There are varying schools of
thought about whether warmup before lifting is important, but none of
the lifters I know really do any significant warmup.  I also do some
shoulder stuff if I'm doing OL, because of my rotator cuff injury --
just various range-of-motion stuff holding light weights.  (Since you
hang out on mfw, you might like to ask people there about pre-lifting
warmup.)

Chris
Elise Converse - 23 May 2004 14:15 GMT
> >> 8:00 (wine tasting); 7 oz. wines (sweet ones -- tokay and sauternes);
> >> tiny portions of each of the following, for evaluating the pairing
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> thought about whether warmup before lifting is important, but none of
> the lifters I know really do any significant warmup.

Hey Chris - It takes me about 1/2 to warm up for lifting.  I do 10 min light
cardio, then various stretches of the shoulders with the broomstick and
many, many stretches of the hamstrings, quads and  legs in general to limber
up my knees.  I also know that Josh does about 20 minutes of stretching
before he lifts!! Usually, you don't see me do this because I get there
really early.  If I don't do this, it takes me about a zillion snatches with
just the bar to get ready to do any weight!  I will admit, that since I just
do rehab work now and Ahmed wants to be there with me to warm up my knees,
or bench, my warm up time is a bit less since I don't have to stretch the
legs.  Stuart, on the other hand, since he is so young and active, shows up,
does a couple lunges he learned from fencing and starts right in!  I hate
being old.

Elise.

 I also do some
> shoulder stuff if I'm doing OL, because of my rotator cuff injury --
> just various range-of-motion stuff holding light weights.  (Since you
> hang out on mfw, you might like to ask people there about pre-lifting
> warmup.)
>
> Chris
Beverly - 24 May 2004 15:43 GMT
>I mean, it's not
> like I can judge my max intensity by going until I fall off the
> treadmill and then saying, "Okay, it must be just under this."

> Chris

It's a good thing I'm getting a new computer in the next few days as the
keyboard of this one is not full of my coffee.  When I read this I had a
mental image of you flying off the treadmill, landing on the floor and then
announcing "Okay, it must be under this".

Beverly
Beverly - 24 May 2004 15:45 GMT
> >I mean, it's not
> > like I can judge my max intensity by going until I fall off the
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>
> Beverly

Small typo - that should read 'now full of my coffee'
 
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