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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / May 2004One day gain?
How can it be? I had a binge for one day and tis is after over three weeks with great eating . weight is/was at an all time low in years but now I wake up to 4 'new' LBS? YUK, i feel lke crap now! This is so bad.I was THREE weeks being so good and I can't believe my weight. I'm back on the wagon today. Confession: Yesterday I was disscouraged so I ate before bed time after my day had been better. The binge was Mon.Talk about the blues!!!:( glo > How can it be? I had a binge for one day and tis is after over three > weeks with great eating . weight is/was at an all time low in years but > now I wake up to 4 'new' LBS? Hey, I ate *less* yesterday than usual and I'm up 1.5 pounds today. I know that it's water weight (I went out to lunch yesterday which I don't normally do) but it's still no fun to see on the scale. I doubt that you ate an additional 14,000 calories and I'm thinking that good bit of that "weight" that you see is water weight. On the up side, I check my bf% on Wednesday mornings and that was down 2% (ha! I know that's the water weight too!)  Signaturejmk in NC > How can it be? I had a binge for one day and tis is after over three > weeks with great eating . weight is/was at an all time low in years but [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > glo You know this is mostly a water gain. Drink plenty of water and give it a couple days - those pounds will be gone again. Three weeks of staying with your woe is great. Beverly Many things make weight fluctuate temporarily.......most of which means nothing to a long term fat loss goal. I weigh myself once every two weeks to make sure I am going in the right direction, but I firmly believe the more often you weigh yourself the more likely you are to drive yourself crazy for no reason. Daily weighings are definately useless. Try to cut back to weighing yourself once a week, same time, same place, same scale, same clothing( or none ) and don't freak about a weight gain until you see a trend for more then 3 weeks. > How can it be? I had a binge for one day and tis is after over three > weeks with great eating . weight is/was at an all time low in years but [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > before bed time after my day had been better. The binge was Mon.Talk > about the blues!!!:( It took OVER THREE WEEKS to lose four LBS so here it is now all back so I freaked this AM!! I'm not letting this turn me back to the way I was!! I WILL coninue to TRY! Thanks guys!!!! I appreciate you so much:) glo >It took OVER THREE WEEKS to lose four LBS so here it is now all back so >I freaked this AM!! I'm not letting this turn me back to the way I was!! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >glo Gloria, you need to remind yourself of what I'm sure you already know: THIS IS NOT FAT! You can't possibly have eaten enough in one day to put on four pounds of fat -- probably not even 1/2 lb. This is water gain, and quite possibly just retained food in your intestines. You can't panic every time the scale goes up. There are all kinds of things that can cause it. If weighing every day makes you freak out you'll have to stop doing it and go to a less frequent weighing approach as others suggest. I weigh every day but I know how my body responds to things and don't worry about daily fluctuations. (I like to get to understand them so that I can better manage making weight before a competition, but that's a special-case need that most people don't have.) Chris : Gloria, you need to remind yourself of what I'm sure you already know: : THIS IS NOT FAT! talk to the scale, talk to the scale! :................... but I firmly believe the more often you weigh yourself the : more likely you are to drive yourself crazy for no reason. AMEN! (but folks addicted to those numbers won't listen) > Many things make weight fluctuate temporarily.......most of which means > nothing to a long term fat loss goal. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Daily weighings are definately useless. I disagree. Daily weigh-ins that are focused only on that day's scale number can be problematic (causing unnecessary concern or unwarranted joy depending on which way the scale goes). But, daily weigh-ins can be useful when mapped to a "big picture" view that shows the underlying patterns and trends. In studies conducted by the National Weight Control Registry http://www.lifespan.org/services/bmed/wt_loss/nwcr/ ), frequent weighing was identified as one of the behaviors associated with long-term, successful weight loss. The folks they studied (who had lost, on average, 60 lbs, and kept it off for years) were able to weigh themselves frequently, but stay focused on their long term goals. <shameless plug warning=on> I've recently published a software-based weight and health journal called WeightWare (http://www.WeightWare.com ). It assumes, but does not require, daily weigh-ins. From my perspective, each weigh-in is a "data point" that can be used (together with some math) to flesh out the underlying trends...the more data points there are, the better the analysis is. Statistical techniques are used to filter out the daily ups and downs, which allows for some very interesting graphs and reports (http://www.shastasoftware.com/WeightWare/graphs.htm ). These can be used to understand current weight loss, predict future weight loss, and most importantly, can give advanced warning when a weight loss program is about to go off track. Is daily weighing necessary to lose weight? No...but, it may be helpful and motivating for some people, and has been associated with sucessful long-term weight loss in some studies. If anyone is interested in trying this technique, you can download a free, fully functional 45-day trial version from the website. <shameless plug warning=off> GG http://www.WeightWare.com Your Weight and Health Diary > Try to cut back to weighing yourself once a week, same time, same place, > same scale, same clothing( or none ) and don't freak about a weight gain [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > before bed time after my day had been better. The binge was Mon.Talk > > about the blues!!!:( > Daily weigh-ins that are focused only on that day's scale number can be > problematic (causing unnecessary concern or unwarranted joy depending on [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > kept it off for years) were able to weigh themselves frequently, but stay > focused on their long term goals. Weighing oneself is a good way to be in touch with reality. Regarding Gloria's 4 lbs regain, the precise amount by which Gloria set herself back is measured in calories eaten, not one day weight change. For example, if she let's say ate 3000 extra calories, she set herself back one week or so, as a guesstimate. i I weigh myself daily, but don't freak over the numbers. After doing this for awhile, I'm convinced that a percentage of what the scales say is dependent on what you have done and eaten in the day or days previously, and the rest is dependent upon what your body has decided to do about it. We have complete control over the former, little or no control over the latter. Daily weighings are dangerous only for those who think they should have complete control over what the scales say, and take it as a personal failure if the numbers don't always cooperate. Daily weighings are dangerous only for those who think : they should have complete control over what the scales say, and take it as a : personal failure if the numbers don't always cooperate. AMEN! > I weigh myself daily, but don't freak over the numbers. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > they should have complete control over what the scales say, and take it as a > personal failure if the numbers don't always cooperate. I weigh myself on work days. If I start to feel freaky about it I do one of two things: - look at the graph of my weights over time and see how it's going (the answer is it's going fine but it's reassuring to see the graph) - look at my weight from a month ago and see that I am doing well with my maintenance -- this reminder is also reassuring I find this to be a lot easier/less stressful on maintenance than I did when I was in weight loss mode but even so, seeing that the graph looks the way that I want it to is helpful. The other things that may be beneficial are measuring and looking at how your measurements are going and bf%. I found that when I was in weight loss mode, if I hit a plateau, my bf% would improve. It was good to see that my body was still working on things even though the weight was staying the same. I hope that some of this is helpful, Glo! Signaturejmk in NC > Daily weighings are dangerous only for those who think > they should have complete control over what the scales say For example someone who posts a thread named "One day gain". Exactly. The OP is one of those people for whom daily weighings are a disaster. There is an endless stream of new folks posting about daily scale readings. Gloria, get off the dratted scale. So what some people in the thread can handle staring at the scale and seeing the natural bounce that always happens? You can't and that is what you need to know. Get OFF the scale immediately. You can't handle it. Switch to weekly tape measurements for the next few months. > > Daily weigh-ins that are focused only on that day's scale number can be > > problematic (causing unnecessary concern or unwarranted joy depending on [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Weighing oneself is a good way to be in touch with reality. Well said...I might incorporate that into my marketing! (I'm a really good programmer, but I'm still a rookie marketer and need all the help I can get :-) ). GG > Regarding Gloria's 4 lbs regain, the precise amount by which Gloria > set herself back is measured in calories eaten, not one day weight [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > i >> > Daily weigh-ins that are focused only on that day's scale number can be >> > problematic (causing unnecessary concern or unwarranted joy depending on [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > programmer, but I'm still a rookie marketer and need all the help I can get > :-) ). at least, you want to sell... How is it selling? i > >> > Daily weigh-ins that are focused only on that day's scale number can be > >> > problematic (causing unnecessary concern or unwarranted joy depending on [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > at least, you want to sell... How is it selling? I've sold a modest number to date, but it's only been on the market for 4 weeks, and I just started advertising this week, so it's a bit early to tell. With the 45-day trial period, it takes a few weeks before downloads translate into sales. The download rate has been good, so I'm hopeful for the future. Unlike many weight loss products, WeightWare is based on science and math (though it doesn't require any knowledge of either to use it). This gives it a firm basis in reality, as you point out. Unfortunately, that might not be a good thing from a marketing perspective - I could probably make a lot more money by selling some bogus patch or pill :-(. My dream is that someday Oprah will mention it...if I could make 1/10,000th of what Dr. Atkins earned, I'll be able to retire in the modest style to which I've become accustomed :-). GG http://www.WeightWare.com Your Weight and Health Journal > i >> >> > Daily weigh-ins that are focused only on that day's scale number can > be [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > of what Dr. Atkins earned, I'll be able to retire in the modest style to > which I've become accustomed :-). Can your weightware sync between two computers? Say, I eat both at home and at work. It would be nice to enter my eating at work and at home on two separate computers, and then somehow "merge" the logs. Sort of like CVS. i > GG > http://www.WeightWare.com > Your Weight and Health Journal > >> i > >> >> > Daily weigh-ins that are focused only on that day's scale number can > > be [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > eating at work and at home on two separate computers, and then somehow > "merge" the logs. Sort of like CVS. WeightWare does not yet contain a "calorie counting" or "food log" component. It's designed primarily as a personal weight and health journal that includes some significant analytical features to help you to understand how your diet and exercise programs are performing. [BTW - the health tracking features include blood pressure, body fat percentage, body measurements, etc.]. Although weight loss requires watching calories, I'm not convinced that counting calories is particularly useful (other than in the initial phases of a weight loss program to establish baselines). Counting calories throughout the day is difficult, error-prone, and time-consuming. And, "Calories In" only represents one half of the weight loss equation. If I consumed 2500 calories on Friday, and 3500 calories on Saturday, what does that tell me? If I sat at my computer for 10 hours on Friday, but rode my bike 40 miles on Saturday (both of which are typical for me), it's entirely possible that I lost more weight on Saturday, despite the extra calories. Of course, I'm market-driven and if enough folks ask for a calorie counting or food tracking feature, I'll add it to the program. FWIW - I've recently added an "Interactive Demo" link to the website (it's on the main page, on the left). It's an interactive Flash file, that shows some of the program's features and how they are typically used. GG http://www.WeightWare.com Your Weight and Health Journal > i > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > >> i >> Can your weightware sync between two computers? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > tracking features include blood pressure, body fat percentage, body > measurements, etc.]. Oh, I see. That's nice. I also keep track of my BP, via a simple file with datestamps and BP/heart rate information for that time. > Although weight loss requires watching calories, I'm not convinced that > counting calories is particularly useful (other than in the initial phases > of a weight loss program to establish baselines). Counting calories > throughout the day is difficult, error-prone, and time-consuming. And, I could not agree more. It can work, but it is a real hassle, and there are easier ways of limiting food intakes (for those nitpickers, easier for me). i : > Weighing oneself is a good way to be in touch with reality. never said it wasn't.........................there are some, like me, who used to "freak out" at the numbers, and quit working on making progress in my life..................... that is when it was suggested to me that i start measuring myself with tight jeans. worked like a charm..................... down two sizes! > Many things make weight fluctuate temporarily.......most of which means > nothing to a long term fat loss goal. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Daily weighings are definately useless. IME daily weighings + maintaining a moving average of same have been pretty darn useful. http://homepage.mac.com/t_d/.Public/14.jpg shows my progress over the past 14 weeks. now, my regimen is somewhat unique perhaps since my diet changes very little (in quantity and timing) day-to-day, so my daily swings are probably smaller than most people's. Also, I am holding myself to a rather strict 2lbs/week loss rate, no less and no more. But if you look at the right edge of the graph, you'll see why I think this daily weighings is useful when combined with a moving average... here are the actual scale weights: 5/18/04 201.0 5/19/04 201.5 5/20/04 200.5 5/21/04 200.0 5/22/04 201.0 5/23/04 200.5 5/24/04 200.5 "Oh No! A Mini Plateau!" but *graphing* the moving average gives me a bigger picture of weight movement, in the graph's rightmost plots you can see the magenta plot (the moving average) still moving down, matching my desired pace, even though the blue plot is holding horizontal. From the chart you can see this has happened around 9 times so far, a bit of loss, a bit of plateau. So looking at the moving average, for my regimen at least, is quite a useful tool IME. I calculate the moving average by: Today's Average = Yesterday's Average + (Today's Weight - Yesterday's Average) * 0.25. > Try to cut back to weighing yourself once a week, same time, same place, > same scale, same clothing( or none ) and don't freak about a weight gain > until you see a trend for more then 3 weeks. This is also good advice. I only object to your claim that daily weighings are useless. > http://homepage.mac.com/t_d/.Public/14.jpg I also keep my daily weight public at http://igor.chudov.com/weightloss/, not that I expect many people to be interested... i > How can it be? I had a binge for one day and tis is after over three > weeks with great eating . weight is/was at an all time low in years but > now I wake up to 4 'new' LBS? YUK, i feel lke crap now! This is so bad.I how many pounds of food&water did you eat and drink? i > How can it be? I had a binge for one day and tis is after over three > weeks with great eating . > glo So did I Glo. The appestat is a real brat! I watched The Swan finale and wondered how they could put in 3 hrs. a day at the gym. They all had gorgeous figures. I know we think looking perfect isn't a priority but for those who really feel the need, and even those who hate beauty pageants it was inspiring. They all seemed like very nice women and the good looks have just added to their quality of life (if they stick with their present hubbies). Carol Carol My big question to myself is what did I eat yesterday. Salty foods tend to make that scale do strange things. Salt makes me retain that water that usually gets flushed resulting in that number on the scale. HM 246/156/150~155 > How can it be? I had a binge for one day and tis is after over three > weeks with great eating . weight is/was at an all time low in years but [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > glo >How can it be? I had a binge for one day and tis is after over three >weeks with great eating . weight is/was at an all time low in years but [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Gloria <SLAP> And believe me, that is a total bitch slap. GET OVER IT!!!! Get a grip. You know I say this out of friendship/love... You have GOT to face reality. You've been around this group long enough to know. We shouldn't have to tell you its water weight from your eating. <shakes head> I know you know better. Come on and get with it. >How can it be? I had a binge for one day and tis is after over three >weeks with great eating . weight is/was at an all time low in years but [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >glo Buck up... it's almost certainly mostly water. Now, don't get discouraged, just continue to eat properly. A binge once in a while is not gonna kill your efforts. Just try and remember the feeling the next time a binge urge comes on. And it might be better to not weigh too soon after a binge... it can bring you down. Give it time, flush out your system with water and *then* weigh. Cynthia OKAY!! I've read EVERYONE here and I wasn't able to get back for a couple days:( Mom in hospital put me into a mood which is KILLING mE ! Well not really THAT bad but it isn't an easy time here. Mom is 86 and has been independent plus healthy util recently. So now I'm tryig to pay attention to my eating while being only sibling near my mom . WHEW! Ths is tough as I WANT to eat but I have done well SO FAR! Still trying to weigh in a careful way as I WANT my control with ME! I need to NOT stay away from the scale!! I weigh NOT AS OFTEN! BUT I NEED to weigh a few times a week. I worked hard and took off weight so I'm down two sizes now. 14 jeans is WONDERFUL but 12 is going to be BETTER:) I really appreciate the thread here!!!! I REALLY do:) I was feeling like I can stay with my better WOL/WOE and I FEEL thinner. I won't post weight here just my size. Dress is 12. <HUGS> to all here!!! glo >How can it be? I had a binge for one day and tis is after over three >weeks with great eating . weight is/was at an all time low in years but [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >glo Sorry this has happened glo, but try to concentrate on the 3 weeks you did OK on your WOE. I've been known to put on 8 lbs over a weekend with a binge - it's not always all water weight for me, but it comes off quite quickly. Just get back on track and put it behind you:) janice Janice, I'm doing better:) and BETTER:)) and I lost that extra weight. I have kind of gotten past this and I am feeling stronger AGAIN! I was THINKING that I'm strong and I felt certain that I was beyond the binge game! WRONG! NEVER will I be beyond this but I'll keep going for better WOE/WOL and I will NOT give up . I know that you understand !! Thanks for the post. glo |
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