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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / June 2004Obese children facing threat of chronic disorders
TARA WOMERSLEY HEALTH CORRESPONDENT THOUSANDS of children with rising levels of obesity could be living undiagnosed with type two diabetes, leaving them at risk of entering adulthood with chronic disorders such as kidney damage. An expert in childhood obesity warned yesterday that type two diabetes among children is far more common than paediatricians realise. Dr Tim Lobstein, of the International Obesity Taskforce, said at least 1,400 obese UK children are likely to have type two diabetes, while more than 20,000 will be living with impaired glucose tolerance. To date, around 100 children have been diagnosed with type two diabetes, with some still in primary school. Type two diabetes is traditionally known as maturity onset diabetes because it tends to occur in patients over the age of 40. However, it is becoming increasingly prevalent in children. More than a fifth of three-and-a-half-year-olds in Scotland are overweight, with 8.8 per cent classed as obese and 4.5 per cent as severely obese. Unlike type one diabetes, type two does not necessarily need to be treated with insulin injections and in many cases can be managed with diet and exercise. Dr Lobstein, who has also had a letter published in the British Medical Journal expressing his concerns, said: "Doctors need to be much more sensitive to the possibility of children having type two diabetes. If the incidence rate in the UK is anything like that in America, you would expect several thousands carrying type two diabetes but remaining unaware of it. "Type two diabetes can lead to kidney damage and the need for dialysis, and retinal damage leading to blindness. It is also a high-risk disease for heart attack and stroke. "This is therefore a timebomb about to explode, as when children enter adulthood they could have severe chronic diseases needing care throughout their lifetime." Next week an inquiry into obesity by Westminsters health select committee will report and make recommendations to the government. Penny Williams, care adviser at Diabetes UK, said: "We already know the number of children with type two diabetes is growing, despite the condition traditionally affecting people over 40. At the moment there are around 100 reported cases in the UK but the numbers could be greater as the condition is often undiagnosed for years. "GPs need to be aware of the risk factors, if they are seeing very obese children who have a family history of diabetes they should consider testing for the condition. Unless we take action now to get our children eating a healthier diet and doing more exercise, the prevalence of type two diabetes in children will only increase > TARA WOMERSLEY > HEALTH CORRESPONDENT [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > risk of entering adulthood with chronic disorders such as > kidney damage. Maybe we just need to turn off their computers, video games, and televisions and kick their little (big?) butts outside for some exercise, The parents are just as bad as the kids and are responsible for the kids getting adequate exercise and proper nutrition. BJ > TARA WOMERSLEY > HEALTH CORRESPONDENT [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > healthier diet and doing more exercise, the prevalence of type two diabetes > in children will only increase Things are out of hand! Practically every child I see now is overweight and moms and dads keep driving them to McDonald's. It's nutz. Karen > Things are out of hand! Practically every child I see now > is overweight and moms and dads keep driving them to > McDonald's. It's nutz. I am curious, don't you think that you could give a child a reasonable meal at McDonalds? i >>Things are out of hand! Practically every child I see now >>is overweight and moms and dads keep driving them to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > i Almost impossible: the stuff is so laden with fat, salt, and/or sugar, and the vegetable content is minimal. Not to mention that you could feed the whole family for the price of a burger, fries, a McFlurry and a coke, and they wouldn't be hungry again half an hour later!  SignatureKate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! >>>Things are out of hand! Practically every child I see now >>>is overweight and moms and dads keep driving them to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > feed the whole family for the price of a burger, fries, a McFlurry and a > coke, and they wouldn't be hungry again half an hour later! Well, fat as such is not evil. As for vegetables, they have salads. An McD salad is not bad at all. Ahanburger is also not the worst meal I can think of. Surely, fries and milkshakes are not all that nutritious, but you are not forced to eat those. i > Well, fat as such is not evil. True, but foods from the group containing fats should not form more than 30% of your daily calorie intake, and pure fats in cooking oils, spreads and the like should be used sparingly. > As for vegetables, they have salads. I have seen them. What they call a salad contains less than a portion of vegetable matter and cost a hell of a lot. You can get far more salad in a mixed bag from a supermarket for less! > An McD salad is not bad at all. See above. And it's a lot less fresh than making your own! > Ahanburger is also not the worst meal I can think of. Nor me - but it's incredibly easy to think of a far better one on both cost and nutrition! > Surely, fries and milkshakes are not all that nutritious, but you are > not forced to eat those. No-one is forced to eat anything (and I never do eat MacDeadthings these days), but we all need to eat to live. I'm all for making healthy, tasty, and cost effective choices. And a shake made with skimmed milk CAN be very nutritious, providing you with protein and much needed calcium. Shakes made of pseudo milk and consisting largely of ground ice and flavourings are not nutritious at all. It can be very hard to get over early conditioning, and if you are conditioned to believe that 'fast food' is the only way to get a quick meal on the table, it's hard to get your head round the ease with which a more healthy and nutritious meal can be made at home. I was brought up in a household where fast food meant steak or salmon grilled, with salad and potatoes from the garden. With that sort of menu my mother could get a meal for six on the table in less than 30 minutes. I've waited longer for a Macdeadthings burger that gave me killer indigestion! I can get a pasta meal with fresh home made sauce on the table in 15 minutes. Guess where I go for fast food? Yup - the kitchen! SignatureKate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! >> Well, fat as such is not evil. > > True, but foods from the group containing fats should not form more than > 30% of your daily calorie intake, and pure fats in cooking oils, spreads > and the like should be used sparingly. There are more ways to eat other than low fatting (under 30% of fat). >> As for vegetables, they have salads. > > I have seen them. What they call a salad contains less than a > portion of vegetable matter and cost a hell of a lot. You can get > far more salad in a mixed bag from a supermarket for less! Well, does not mean that they are bad salads -- only that you could buy a cheaper salad elsewhere. >> An McD salad is not bad at all. > See above. And it's a lot less fresh than making your own! Come on now, it is made of the same stuff, mostly watery lettuce. >> Ahanburger is also not the worst meal I can think of. > > Nor me - but it's incredibly easy to think of a far better one on both > cost and nutrition! Does not negate what I said. >> Surely, fries and milkshakes are not all that nutritious, but you are >> not forced to eat those. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > much needed calcium. Shakes made of pseudo milk and consisting > largely of ground ice and flavourings are not nutritious at all. You see, you are going into a discussion about shakes, but I said that one could eat a reasonable meal at McD that did not involve shakes. So a prolonged discussion of shakes does not have much relevance. > It can be very hard to get over early conditioning, and if you are > conditioned to believe that 'fast food' is the only way to get a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > made sauce on the table in 15 minutes. Guess where I go for fast > food? Yup - the kitchen! Good for you, but again, not very relevant. For your information, I do not eat at fast food restaurants. i >> Well, fat as such is not evil. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >of vegetable matter and cost a hell of a lot. You can get far more >salad in a mixed bag from a supermarket for less! So, did the subject line say "children being impovershed by expensive (??) meals at McDonald's"? I don't see the frugality newsgroup in any of the (too long) list of x-posted 'groups, either. OK, you can whip something up in your kitchen quickly. So can I. Oftentimes I do. My family isn't anchored to our kitchen though. For meals out on the road, I'm sure you can pack tuna fish sandwiches and run around with a cooler, which would be fine, too (although my family doesn't - bleaaah ). But - so what. A sensible plan for eating allows for many kinds of eating, according to needs, from a variety of sources. There's no need for EVERY meal to be maximally nutritious and minimally expensive. It's the calories and nutrients in, over time, balanced with energy needs, within budget, that counts. Banty > > Well, fat as such is not evil. > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > indigestion! I can get a pasta meal with fresh home made sauce on the > table in 15 minutes. Guess where I go for fast food? Yup - the kitchen! That's great -- if you're home. And assuming all the ingredients are at hand. From my POV, the "fast food" places are for a quick meal when you are out and don't have time to go home to eat, much less cook. We don't do it 'cause it's cheap; eating out is always more expensive than eating at home. We do it 'cause it's convenient. And, since it IS possible to do it in a healthy way (those grilled chicken salads are actually pretty good), I don't see any particular reason to act as though it's an evil choice. SignatureChildren won't care how much you know until they know how much you care > From my POV, the "fast food" places are for a quick meal when you are > out and don't have time to go home to eat, much less cook. We don't do [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > chicken salads are actually pretty good), I don't see any particular > reason to act as though it's an evil choice. For me it *IS* an evil choice. I have yet to find a McDeadthings meal that: Did not give me violent and painful indigestion that lasted for days (up to three! UGH!) Smelled like anything I wanted to eat - I have always hated the pong of boiling fat! Was not so salty or sweet or full of artificial flavours and colourings that it tasted nasty (aspartame and saccharine both taste bitter and chemically to me) Had more nutritional value than a ham salad sandwich I'd rather pop into the supermarket and pick up a French Loaf or some bread rolls, some salad in a bag, and some cooked ham or cheese and make something really edible and much better for me. On journeys where I have to stop at motorway service places to eat, I try to find a salad bar, or make a healthy choice from whatever is in the pre-packed sandwiches. I know it isn't always possible to make the choices one would like, but I'd rather go hungry for half an hour longer than eat at MacD's, Burger King, or anywhere like that. We have to be very careful as a family to choose well, as DH is an insulin defendant diabetic and I'm finding it very hard to cope with fatty foods, or things that are overly sweet, as a result of gall bladder disease. The gall bladder is gone, but I have turned out to be one of the unfortunate ones that cannot cope with much fat. Wah! No more pork crackling with the Sunday roast! No more eating the bacon rind mum has crozzled to shattering hardness! No more double cream on me Christmas pud! No more big chunks of Stilton with the Christmas cake! :( There is also a hefty doze of Scots heart attack genes in my family. Despite always eating a healthy diet*, my father, his youngest brother, and my paternal grandfather all died young of heart problems. Whatever I can do to help to prevent that with my son by way of eating healthily and teaching him to do so, I will, as I don't want another member of my family dying before they are 65. Dad was only 53! For us, healthy choices are not an option: they are a necessity, as is eating reasonably regularly. Most of the time we find it much easier to eat out healthily than pack in the fats and chemicals at a fast food place. I don't get religious about it, I just do what I can to make the healthy option the regular option for all of us. Occasionally my son has opted for a Big Mac, and then regretted it because my 'healthy option' looked and smelled so much better! I like to lead him by example rather than nagging! :D SignatureKate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! * On a minister's stipend in the thirties, the war years and the 50's in the UK, fast and junk food wasn't available, and my grandfather was a gardener of the manic 'grow everything yourself' type - a habit he passed on to all three sons. He ran the manse garden at Moonzie in Fife (where he was a missionary! They are a bit wild in the north of Fife... ;D ) as a market garden to supplement his income by growing things like capsicums, courgettes, yellow tomatoes, asparagus, and other 'exotic' vegetables, as well as more mundane carrots, spuds, peas, salad vegetables, and other stuff. I remember my father growing ridge cucumbers and yellow tomatoes, yellow courgettes and calabrace in the various RAF quarters gardens we had over the years. Mum always said he was a peasant benieth the officer's uniform: couldn't bear to see a bit of earth without growing vegetables in it! >> From my POV, the "fast food" places are for a quick meal when you are >> out and don't have time to go home to eat, much less cook. We don't do [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Did not give me violent and painful indigestion that lasted for days (up > to three! UGH!) Look, you should have said right away that your painful indigestion is due to your lack of gallbladder. > We have to be very careful as a family to choose well, as DH is an > insulin defendant diabetic and I'm finding it very hard to cope with > fatty foods, or things that are overly sweet, as a result of gall > bladder disease. The gall bladder is gone, but I have turned out to be >>> From my POV, the "fast food" places are for a quick meal when you are >>> out and don't have time to go home to eat, much less cook. We don't do [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Look, you should have said right away that your painful indigestion is >due to your lack of gallbladder. I find that there are specific McDs that give me indigestion, and I just don't go to them. Others there's no problem. I also have no gallbladder (because of gallstones) and don't have any problem whatsoever with fats, although I feel a low fat diet is better than a low carb diet. >> We have to be very careful as a family to choose well, as DH is an >> insulin defendant diabetic and I'm finding it very hard to cope with >> fatty foods, or things that are overly sweet, as a result of gall >> bladder disease. The gall bladder is gone, but I have turned out to be DH likes salty things, and I like sweet things. I don't care for salt at all which is one reason I don't eat fries, or drink soft drinks. I get water, or lemonade (and then water it down) or tea although the tea in fast food places tends to be barely drinkable. I have decided that there are people who can eat almost anything almost anywhere and not get sick, and there are people who get sick at the slightest thing. I'm one of the former. I don't even drink bottled water except in Mexico. THere's no point in trying to persuade an eat-anything type like me that I should be finding fast food or anything else repulsive. We just won't believe you because for us - it isn't. OTOH I promise not to try to persuade you picky eaters (because I think that's what it is basically) that you should eat everything just because I can do so. I've also come to the conclusion that the studies which try to tell us what we should and shouldn't eat for various health reason aren't much better for us than what we would normally eat if we ate an old fashioned healthy diet. Italian is bad for you, Chinese is bad for you. Eat low carb. Eat low fat. Eat only certain kinds of fat. Fat doesn't matter. Eat 'organic' (as if any food isn't organic). Eat low calorie. Calories don't matter. DOn't eat any processed foods. Don't eat anything white. Don't eat fast foods. grandma Rosalie > >>> From my POV, the "fast food" places are for a quick meal when you are > >>> out and don't have time to go home to eat, much less cook. We don't do [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > whatsoever with fats, although I feel a low fat diet is better than a > low carb diet. I, too, am minus a gall bladder due to stones. I've had serious problems with digestion ever since. For multiple reasons, I decided to try a low carb diet, even though I feared it would make the digestive problems worse. Much to my astonishment, it's gotten much better -- even though I am now eating a relatively high fat diet. I don't think the improved digestion can be attributed to the weight loss, because the improvement was almost instant. I'm a BIG fan of whatever works for people. For me, and for others in my family, the low carb approach seems to both work (for weight loss) and be healthy: improved cholesterol, improved blood sugars, etc. Plus I find it easier to do. SignatureChildren won't care how much you know until they know how much you care > I have decided that there are people who can eat almost anything > almost anywhere and not get sick, and there are people who get sick at > the slightest thing. I'm one of the former. I don't even drink > bottled water except in Mexico. I only drink bottled water if I'm out and the only alternative is something fizzy! Fizz will make me belch mightily and add to the problems! Ooer, missus! I don't get sick often - has to be real food poisoning or a 'proper' bug like Malta Dog/Deli Belly/Montezuma's revenge or whatever you call it locally! > THere's no point in trying to persuade an eat-anything type like me > that I should be finding fast food or anything else repulsive. We > just won't believe you because for us - it isn't. OTOH I promise not > to try to persuade you picky eaters (because I think that's what it is > basically) that you should eat everything just because I can do so. I *USED* to be able to eat anything, believe me! And I did. There were VERY few things I disliked, and nothing gave me indigestion. Fat on meat was one dislike (texture, not flavour), rice pudding another, and my grandmother's baked fish custard... That's about all! My parents had been through the war and strict rationing, and wasting food just because you didn't like it was NOT allowed. Result was that most things I tasted I liked, and the balance was achieved through variety and both parents being excellent cooks. Now things are different, and there are things I love and used to eat lots of that I have to be VERY careful about. Fatty foods are one, but coffee, red wine, large quantities if bread, red meat, (but venison is ok... Odd, that), chocolate, sweet things in general, and just plain eating too much in one day can trigger all sorts of evils. I'm still experimenting to see what I can eat comfortably and what I can't. Half a glass of very nice light red wine was enough last Sunday to set me off, and I suffered intestinal gales until Tuesday, when it finally settled down again! :( I'm finding that restricting portion size and eating a healthy balanced mixed diet that is light on the fats and avoiding known triggers works well. I'm losing weight slowly and steadily, which is good. I started at 15 st 3 lbs [213lbs] and am down to 12st7lbs [175lbs], so I have another 32 to go to reach the top of the healthy weight range for my height. At 47, I ain't aiming for the 20" waist I had as a teenager weighing in at 7st 11lbs dripping wet! > I've also come to the conclusion that the studies which try to tell us > what we should and shouldn't eat for various health reason aren't much [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > low calorie. Calories don't matter. DOn't eat any processed foods. > Don't eat anything white. Don't eat fast foods. The old fashioned healthy diet without too many refined foods is what I'm aiming for. Everything in moderation, and avoid the things that hurt! Home made from raw ingredients wherever possible and sensible: I don't make my own pasta, for example, or my own sausages, but I do eat good quality versions of both, and I look out for low fat sausages. I suppose I'm odd, in some respects. I have always liked vegetables (okra being one of the few I dislike - and I'm willing to try it again in something I haven't eaten yet, just to see if it was the okra or the recipe I didn't like...), wholemeal and unrefined foods (I do draw the line at wholemeal pasta! Might as well eat the cardboard box!), and dislike overly refined foods and most bought cakes and biscuit/cookies, and junk food. I come from a family where good cooking is important. I'm not a fan of faddy eating, and find my present restrictions annoying. I would rather live with them than suffer what happens if I'm less careful, however. SignatureKate XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate's Pages and explore! I don't think it has anything to do with gall bladder.... it has to do with the greasy food they serve... I fell horrible after a burger at MCD's. We eat at Harvey's or Wendy's where you can put what you want on your burger. At least if you have tomatoes, lettuce, pickles and onion on it you get some vegies with your meal...not a serving for an adult but close, especially at Harvey's.. they load on the lettuce. It's not what you eat that matters when you are talking about children ...it is how much the children are eaating that makes they obese.....and the parents who don't make sure they help the children balance their diets. Karen > >> From my POV, the "fast food" places are for a quick meal when you are > >> out and don't have time to go home to eat, much less cook. We don't do [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > fatty foods, or things that are overly sweet, as a result of gall > > bladder disease. The gall bladder is gone, but I have turned out to be >> Well, fat as such is not evil. > > True, but foods from the group containing fats should not form more than > 30% of your daily calorie intake, "From the group containing fats"? I think you'll find that pretty much all food has fat in it. >and pure fats in cooking oils, spreads > and the like should be used sparingly. No, you should eat plenty of fats. > An McD salad is not bad at all. Ahanburger is also not the worst meal > I can think of. But a Macca's hamburger is a travesty. SignatureChookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) "Life is like a cigarette -- smoke it to the butt." -- Harvie Krumpet Why not cut out the Mc Flurry order a chicken sandwich split it with your child. If they want desert order a Fruit and Yogurt parfait.... that is what I do. I share the fries with my husband and my daughter so a regular size fry turns into less then a small each. Also I try to get juice or milk for my daughter when we eat out. Tori -- Bonnie 3/20/02 Anna or Xavier due 10/17/04 > >>Things are out of hand! Practically every child I see now > >>is overweight and moms and dads keep driving them to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk > Click on Kate's Pages and explore! > Why not cut out the Mc Flurry order a chicken sandwich split it with your > child. If they want desert order a Fruit and Yogurt parfait.... that is what > I do. I share the fries with my husband and my daughter so a regular size > fry turns into less then a small each. Also I try to get juice or milk for > my daughter when we eat out. The other thing nice abvout mcdonalds is that you know how many calories you eat. For example, a big mac is 560 calories. i > Tori > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> feed the whole family for the price of a burger, fries, a McFlurry and a >> coke, and they wouldn't be hungry again half an hour later! exactly and that is why I never order a big mac. ;) Tori -- Bonnie 3/20/02 Anna or Xavier due 10/17/04 > > Why not cut out the Mc Flurry order a chicken sandwich split it with your > > child. If they want desert order a Fruit and Yogurt parfait.... that is what [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >> feed the whole family for the price of a burger, fries, a McFlurry and a > >> coke, and they wouldn't be hungry again half an hour later! > exactly and that is why I never order a big mac. ;) 560 calories is not a lot. It makes a perfect sized dinner for me. I have not eaten big macs for years, because there are better things for me to eat, but they are not terrible or evil. i Oh I order Big Mac's. I order it with no sauce/ketchup/ throw the roll and have a side salad too. Susie > exactly and that is why I never order a big mac. ;) > Tori in that case why dont you order a double cheese burger. they use the same burger size for each that would be on the dollar menue and the side salad I believe is on the dollar menue.. that would be a max of 3$ for a meal. Tori -- Bonnie 3/20/02 Anna or Xavier due 10/17/04 > Oh I order Big Mac's. I order it with no sauce/ketchup/ > throw the roll and have a side salad too. > Susie > > > exactly and that is why I never order a big mac. ;) > > Tori Thanks.......you're right. Great idea, Susie > in that case why dont you order a double cheese burger. they use the same > burger size for each that would be on the dollar menue and the side salad I > believe is on the dollar menue.. that would be a max of 3$ for a meal. > Tori >in that case why dont you order a double cheese burger. they use the same >burger size for each that would be on the dollar menue and the side salad I >believe is on the dollar menue.. that would be a max of 3$ for a meal. DH (who is lactose intolerant) orders two plain single hamburgers. which is very cheap. grandma Rosalie >> Why not cut out the Mc Flurry order a chicken sandwich split it with your >> child. If they want desert order a Fruit and Yogurt parfait.... that is what [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The other thing nice abvout mcdonalds is that you know how many > calories you eat. For example, a big mac is 560 calories. 560? How do they fit so many calories into such a small piece of food? Then again last time I had a big mac I vomited it up again 30 minutes later so I guess that's 0 calories. >>>Things are out of hand! Practically every child I see now >>>is overweight and moms and dads keep driving them to >>>McDonald's. It's nutz. >> >> I am curious, don't you think that you could give a child a reasonable >> meal at McDonalds? Sure. As long as it's once in awhile, *any* meal is reasonable. In my family, that's a once a month treat. More often if the ordering is done selectively, like one of their salads (which are actually pretty decent). This demonization of McDonald's is just silly. It's the overall American habit of *always* eating fatty stuff, and frequently snacking, which is the problem. Which is an issue of individual behavior. Banty > Sure. As long as it's once in awhile, *any* meal is reasonable. In > my family, that's a once a month treat. > > More often if the ordering is done selectively, like one of their > salads (which are actually pretty decent). Very decent. > This demonization of McDonald's is just silly. It's the overall > American habit of *always* eating fatty stuff, and frequently > snacking, which is the problem. Which is an issue of individual > behavior. Some stuff at McD I would not touch with a 10 foot pole -- fries, sugary stuff etc. But, a Big Mac is not at all a terrible dinner and a small lunch. i > But, a Big Mac is not at all a terrible dinner and a small lunch. I understand that if you are on weight watchers, it has to be your breakast toady and tomorrow as well! SignatureChookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) "Life is like a cigarette -- smoke it to the butt." -- Harvie Krumpet > This demonization of McDonald's is just silly. It's the overall American > habitof *always* eating fatty stuff, and frequently snacking, which is the > problem. > Which is an issue of individual behavior. The other issue you haven't mentioned is portion size. Australians who travel to the USA find the portion sizes astonishing! (And it's not that we don't have an obesity problem here; we do.) SignatureChookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) "Life is like a cigarette -- smoke it to the butt." -- Harvie Krumpet >> This demonization of McDonald's is just silly. It's the overall American >> habitof *always* eating fatty stuff, and frequently snacking, which is the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > (And it's not that we don't have an obesity problem here; we do.) I agree that in many restaurants the portion sizes are too big. But the sizes of McDonalds hamburgers are very reasonable. i >> This demonization of McDonald's is just silly. It's the overall American >> habitof *always* eating fatty stuff, and frequently snacking, which is the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >(And it's not that we don't have an obesity problem here; we do.) McDonald's isn't bad as far as portion size. As for other restaurants (esp. the diners around here), I have one word - doggiebag! Banty >> >> This demonization of McDonald's is just silly. It's the overall American > >> habitof *always* eating fatty stuff, and frequently snacking, which is the > >> problem. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > McDonald's isn't bad as far as portion size. As for other restaurants (esp. > the diners around here), I have one word - doggiebag! I was adding to your list of Bad Habits, not thinking of Macca's in particular. And of course doggie bags aren't always an option for tourists. SignatureChookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) "Life is like a cigarette -- smoke it to the butt." -- Harvie Krumpet >>> >> This demonization of McDonald's is just silly. It's the overall >American [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >I was adding to your list of Bad Habits, not thinking of Macca's in >particular. OK. >And of course doggie bags aren't always an option for tourists. In that case I have three words: leave on plate. Cheers, Banty > >And of course doggie bags aren't always an option for tourists. > > In that case I have three words: leave on plate. That's what they did, but they had the Uncomfortable Feeling that they were being Looked At! SignatureChookie -- Sydney, Australia (Replace "foulspambegone" with "optushome" to reply) "Life is like a cigarette -- smoke it to the butt." -- Harvie Krumpet >> >And of course doggie bags aren't always an option for tourists. >> >> In that case I have three words: leave on plate. > >That's what they did, but they had the Uncomfortable Feeling that they were >being Looked At! Naw - only grandmothers cluck cluck and say 'you didn't finish everything on your plate'. It's not like you're not standing for the Star Spangled Banner :-) Banty >> >> This demonization of McDonald's is just silly. It's the overall >American [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >I was adding to your list of Bad Habits, not thinking of Macca's in >particular. And of course doggie bags aren't always an option for tourists. I find portion size high in Australia, too, compared with the UK. And we, too, have an obesity problem. And the thing with the Golden Arches is that it's all very, very calorie-dense. And completely revolting, but that's another matter - read Eric Schlosser's Fast Food Nation if you think you'd like to wean yourself off the multinationals. SignatureJane Lumley Hi Jane, how are you? Still exercising a lot? i >Hi Jane, how are you? Still exercising a lot? 48 miles running a week - I've cut down a bit. Nope, I don't use a bread machine, but I do use a KitchenAid to knead the dough. SignatureJane Lumley Banty <Banty_member@newsguy.com> wrote > Sure. As long as it's once in awhile, *any* meal is reasonable. In my family, > that's a once a month treat. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Banty True. But I have to admit, I saw "Supersize Me" recently, and found it fascinating and funny in a gross sort of way. This guy did the kind of things to himself that you hear of being done to lab rats. He ate only at MacD's for a month, and essentially force-fed himself three meals a day. His doctors were astonished at how quickly his lipids declined, his liver seemed endangered, and of course his weight went up. It took him over 5 months to undo the effects of the one month. Rupa > >>Things are out of hand! Practically every child I see now > >>is overweight and moms and dads keep driving them to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > feed the whole family for the price of a burger, fries, a McFlurry and a > coke, and they wouldn't be hungry again half an hour later! You don't HAVE to have the fried and McFlurry and coke, and a hamburger there isn't particularly unhealthy: it's just ground beef and a bun, and if you want condiments they're there. And if you're low-carbing, you can skip the bun. They also have some decent salads these days. Check out the nutrition information. While it is possible that most people eating at McD's d NOT make great choices, that doesn't mean it's impossible to do so. SignatureChildren won't care how much you know until they know how much you care > I am curious, don't you think that you could give a child a reasonable > meal at McDonalds? > > i You can if you want to. I don't know why people get all worked up over McDonalds? They make what they make. If you like it go there, if not don't. People go to ice cream stores, and that is not necessarily good for you. Why not get all worked up over them? Curt >> I am curious, don't you think that you could give a child a reasonable >> meal at McDonalds? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > don't. People go to ice cream stores, and that is not necessarily good for > you. Why not get all worked up over them? Besides, you can do much better at mcd than at an ice cream store... i Sunday I took my kids to McD's just for the fun of it. They have added apple slices with caramel dipping sauce, milk chugs, chocolate milk chugs, and apple juice boxes to the menu. My younger kids played in the playground and snacked on apple slices. While I spent one on one time with my teenager, who also had apple slices. I know it's cheaper to buy a bag of apples. It just wouldn't be as much fun. Butterfly > >> I am curious, don't you think that you could give a child a reasonable > >> meal at McDonalds? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > i > Things are out of hand! Practically every child I see now > is overweight and moms and dads keep driving them to > McDonald's. It's nutz. > > Karen McDonald's isn't always the culprit. My friend feeds her kids a healthy diet, makes sure they exercise and limits their T.V. and computer time. Yet the twelve year old girl is five foot six and weighs 155 pounds. The fourteen year old boy is five ten and nearly two hundred pounds. Both are very muscular and look at least twenty pounds lighter than they their actual weights. I think kids are just getting bigger. M |
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