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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / June 2004Lose body fat with CLA supplement
Anybody hear of or use Conjugated linoleic acid supplementation? If so, where do you get it and how much does it cost? And - did it do anything for you? I sure could use less body fat. "May 28, 2004 Conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) supplementation reduced body fat mass (BFM) in healthy, overweight adults, according to the results of a randomized, double-blind trial published in the June issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. "CLA is a mixture of linoleic acid isomers with conjugated double bonds. CLA was first identified when extracts from fried beef were found to be anticarcinogenic," write Jean-Michel Gaullier, from the Scandinavian Clinical Research AS in Kjeller, Norway, and colleagues. "Short-term trials showed that CLA may reduce BFM and increase lean body mass (LBM), but the long-term effect of CLA was not examined." To determine the effect during one year of CLA on body composition and safety in healthy overweight adults, 180 volunteers with body mass index (BMI) of 25 to 30 kg/m2 were given an ad libitum diet and randomized to supplementation with CLA-free fatty acid (FFA), CLA-triacylglycerol, or olive-oil placebo. Compared with the placebo group, mean BFM measured by dual-energy x-ray absorptiometry (DXA) was 8.7% ± 9.1% lower in the CLA-triacylglycerol group and 6.9% ± 9.1% lower in the CLA-FFA group (P < .001). LBM was 1.8% ± 4.3% greater in the CLA-FFA group than in the placebo group (P = .002). These changes were not associated with diet or exercise. Relative to baseline, low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol increased in the CLA-FFA group (P = .008), high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol decreased in the CLA-triacylglycerol group (P = .003), and lipoprotein(a) increased in both CLA groups (P < .001). Fasting blood glucose concentrations remained stable in all three groups. Although glycated hemoglobin increased from baseline in all groups, there was no significant difference between groups. Adverse events, which were mostly gastrointestinal, were similar in all groups, and only 11.4% of reported adverse events were related to CLA supplementation. "Long-term supplementation with CLA-FFA or CLA-triacylglycerol reduces BFM in healthy overweight adults," the authors write. "Future studies are needed to address the role of CLA in [cardiovascular disease], diabetes, and oxidative stress." The authors report no potential financial or personal conflicts of interest. Am J Clin Nutr. 2004;79:1118-1125" http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/479490 note - free medscape sign up may be required. Brad, the first thing to do when you find yourself in a hole is to stop digging. What you are doing is not working. Stop for a minute and reassess your entire weight loss approach, which is not giving you any results for all the trouble that you undertook. Consider other weight loss approaches, such as low carbing, which is a good fit for diabetics. i > Anybody hear of or use Conjugated linoleic acid supplementation? If > so, where do you get it and how much does it cost? And - did it do [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/479490 note - free medscape sign > up may be required. >Anybody hear of or use Conjugated linoleic acid supplementation? If >so, where do you get it and how much does it cost? And - did it do >anything for you? I sure could use less body fat. <snip> Hi Brad, I take CLA, and it did help me reduce inches, but mostly I take it as a supplement since I don't eat a lot of red meat and my family has a history of cancer. I buy mine at the local drug store. It's not a magic bullet, and should only be considered a supplement, imho. The following info on CLA is courtesy of Life Extension Foundation, no affiliation on my part. Several years ago, the discovery of conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) caused a scientific sensation. Here was a fatty acid found in red meat and cheese that showed strong anti-cancer properties, being particularly effective in inhibiting breast and prostate tumors, as well as colorectal, stomach, and skin cancer, including melanoma. On the whole, scientists found CLA to be more strongly anti-carcinogenic than other fatty acids. What made CLA especially unique is that even low concentrations significantly inhibited cancer cell growth. CLA supplementation was also shown to improve the lean mass to body fat ratio, decreasing fat deposition. especially on the abdomen, and enhancing muscle growth. One mechanism whereby CLA reduces body fat is by enhancing insulin sensitivity so that fatty acids and glucose can pass through muscle cell membranes and away from fat tissue. This results in an improved muscle to fat ratio. After some head-scratching about cheeseburgers as the newest health food, it was discovered that, sadly, the natural sources of CLA such as beef, butter and cheese no longer provide as much of this valuable fat as they used to. Compared to the previous generations, Americans are deficient in CLA, and not only because of lower consumption of red meat and butter fat. It turns out that changes in cattle-feeding practices have decreased CLA content in meat and milk. For optimal CLA production, cows need to graze on grass rather than be artificially fattened in feed lots. The meat of grass-fed cows contains up to four times as much CLA. Today's dairy products have only about one third of the CLA content they used to have before 1960. One big reason for the current obesity epidemic in America could be CLA deficiency. www.lef.org Ally 212/185/160 Yep. CLA is one of the latest, most promising discoveries that is currently being looked at (but needs to be looked at much more). Many common weight loss supplements have it, especially natural ones, (by Jamieson, etc.) But forgetting about weight loss for the moment - most promising is it's anti-cancer properties. IMHO, the best source is organic milk from grass fed cows. Not only are you not very likely to get toxic amounts that way, but in it's natural form it'l likely much better absorbed, and you'll also benefit from other, complementary compounds (which is often these case after further research is done... that a particular vitamin or compound works much better in combination with others, usually found in the natural sources) Also, you've then got the benefit of organic milk (which is a whole 'nother debate...) Now... if in the northern hemisphere, if they could just grass feed the cows in the summer, and feed them the dha supplemented diet in the winter (from the new feed developed in Guelph, ON) I think they would have an excellent product! >>Anybody hear of or use Conjugated linoleic acid supplementation? If >>so, where do you get it and how much does it cost? And - did it do [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >The following info on CLA is courtesy of Life Extension Foundation, no >affiliation on my part. > Yep. CLA is one of the latest, most promising discoveries that is > currently being looked at (but needs to be looked at much more). Many [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > winter (from the new feed developed in Guelph, ON) I think they would > have an excellent product! Um, organic milk does not mean it comes from grass fed cows, right? i >>>Anybody hear of or use Conjugated linoleic acid supplementation? If >>>so, where do you get it and how much does it cost? And - did it do [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>The following info on CLA is courtesy of Life Extension Foundation, no >>affiliation on my part. That's right - organic does not equal 'grass-fed'. In fact, I believe most organic milk probably just comes from cows who eat organically grown feed (as well as not being given BGH, etc.) So... your real goal is to find milk that comes from grass fed cows... and chances are you'll only find this with organic milk... but as noted, you can't assume that because it's organic, it's also grass fed. Although the 2 go together, one does not mean the other (ie. you can't assume all peanut butter sandwhiches also come with jam) :-) Finding said milk is no easy task. Especially if you live where there's snow in the winter. The good news though is that: 1) organic milk consumption is a rapidly growing area, and more and more producers are going organic (and so we can probably expect the availability of grass fed cow milk to increase proportionally) 2) more research is being done into CLA, milk and dairy-fat 3) milk is believed to be a product that is 'ripe' for consumer improvements. In europe they enrich some milk with DHA. In Canada, Neilson's (Dairy) is producing milk with a natural DHA content (by a special feed developed for the cows). So just as cereal has been fortified, and we've seen 'healthier' eggs come to market (Omega3), and the movement toward healthier breads, we'll likely soon be seing healthier milk. Here's an interesting question though: Dr. Walter Willett (head of nutrition at harvard) said that he did not see any significant role for dairy in the diet. This from one of the foremost nutritionists in the world, whose family were dairy farmers. But that was before recent studies indicating the benefits of CLA in dairy fat. And further Atkins related research questioning if trans fats aren't the real evil rather that sat fats. I be very interested in his opinion now. >> Yep. CLA is one of the latest, most promising discoveries that is >> currently being looked at (but needs to be looked at much more). Many [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Um, organic milk does not mean it comes from grass fed cows, right? > That's right - organic does not equal 'grass-fed'. In fact, I believe > most organic milk probably just comes from cows who eat organically [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > fed. Although the 2 go together, one does not mean the other (ie. you > can't assume all peanut butter sandwhiches also come with jam) :-) My personal opinion is that if some farm produced milk from grass fed cows, they would probably advertise it as such. So, because I do not see such milk, it probably is not produced. By the way, did you know that cows are routinely fed chicken manure and bedding? I can supply you with links if you are interested. > Finding said milk is no easy task. Especially if you live where > there's snow in the winter. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > more producers are going organic (and so we can probably expect the > availability of grass fed cow milk to increase proportionally) I would hope so. I wish I could have a goat here, at least to give goat milk to my son. > 2) more research is being done into CLA, milk and dairy-fat > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and the movement toward healthier breads, we'll likely soon be seing > healthier milk. I hope so. PLenty of people, myself included, would be willing to pay much more for extra qualities, as long as they have a good impact on health. As of now, I do not see "organic" milk as being healthier, but am open to changing my mind. > Here's an interesting question though: Dr. Walter Willett (head of > nutrition at harvard) said that he did not see any significant role [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > real evil rather that sat fats. I be very interested in his opinion > now. Much of what is considered established truth is overturned now and then... Myself, I stay away from everything packaged, to some reasonable extent. i >> That's right - organic does not equal 'grass-fed'. In fact, I believe >> most organic milk probably just comes from cows who eat organically [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >cows, they would probably advertise it as such. So, because I do not >see such milk, it probably is not produced. You would think (that they would promote their cows as grass-fed) but for whatever reason, organic milk isn't very well marketed at all, especially given the rapidly expanding market. Maybe it because of the strong-arm of the dairy council (probably mostly domiated by big, corporate, non-organic farmers)?? I plan on getting a local milk (from here in Ontario, Canada). They *don't* promote their milk as being from grass-fed cows. But after a lot of research, and talking to people, they do grass-feed in the summer. And there is a mention of it on their web-site (more in referece to the differnece in taste of the milk throughout the seasons)... but they do such a bad job (of promoting), that I can't even find their website through google (I'll have to check their packaging again). They are called Harmony Dairy. I think the other issue is that the research on CLA is *very*, very recent, and much more has to be done still - so the general public has never really heard of it, let alone the potential benefits. Today, most people who want organic milk want it because it doesn't have BGH - and that's the case regardless with organic milk... whether grass fed or not. >By the way, did you know that cows are routinely fed chicken manure >and bedding? I can supply you with links if you are interested. I didn't know that. Here in Canada I don't think they're allowed to feed chicken renderings... >> Finding said milk is no easy task. Especially if you live where >> there's snow in the winter. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I would hope so. I wish I could have a goat here, at least to give >goat milk to my son. I don't know anything about goat's milk. How is it different (nutritionally) than cow's milk? Less lactose?? >> 2) more research is being done into CLA, milk and dairy-fat >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >i >>> That's right - organic does not equal 'grass-fed'. In fact, I believe >>> most organic milk probably just comes from cows who eat organically [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>cows, they would probably advertise it as such. So, because I do not >>see such milk, it probably is not produced. > You would think (that they would promote their cows as grass-fed) but > for whatever reason, organic milk isn't very well marketed at all, > especially given the rapidly expanding market. Maybe it because of > the strong-arm of the dairy council (probably mostly domiated by big, > corporate, non-organic farmers)?? possibly. They lobbied for bans on certain claims on milk, and are conducting a "milk is milk" campaign in favor of milk produced in horrifying conditions. > I plan on getting a local milk (from here in Ontario, Canada). They > *don't* promote their milk as being from grass-fed cows. But after [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > even find their website through google (I'll have to check their > packaging again). They are called Harmony Dairy. Hm, did not know that... >>By the way, did you know that cows are routinely fed chicken manure >>and bedding? I can supply you with links if you are interested. > I didn't know that. Here in Canada I don't think they're allowed to > feed chicken renderings... In the US, this is a routine practice. i How are you going to know what an overdose is so you can avoid it? > How are you going to know what an overdose is so you can avoid it? There's no limit to the depths of your stupidity, is there? >How are you going to know what an overdose is so you can avoid it? I take my chances. I take 1 1000mg capsule per day. YMMV. Ally 212/185/160 As somebody once said to me in a different context, hope is not a method. > >How are you going to know what an overdose is so you can avoid it? > > I take my chances. I take 1 1000mg capsule per day. YMMV. > > Ally > 212/185/160 where do you buy it? Just curious. This CLA seems to be an interesting supplement. i >>How are you going to know what an overdose is so you can avoid it? > > I take my chances. I take 1 1000mg capsule per day. YMMV. > > Ally > 212/185/160 > where do you buy it? Just curious. This CLA seems to be an interesting > supplement. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Ally > > 212/185/160 Wal Mart carries it. Supposedly you need the CLA with Tonalin for the best results. >> where do you buy it? Just curious. This CLA seems to be an interesting >> supplement. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Wal Mart carries it. Supposedly you need the CLA with Tonalin for the best > results. Thanks. I always prefer walmart. I thought that tonalin was a brand of CLA though. Hopefully I will go to walmart tomorrow anyway. It fits my goal of small fat loss and a small LBM gain. Will read up a little more. i I found a bunch of CLA with tonalin supplements on ebay... any suggestions as to brand? (check out link) http://search-desc.ebay.com/cla-tonalin_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsbrftogZ1QQfromZR10Q QsotextsearchedZ2 "JMA" wrote in message > Wal Mart carries it. Supposedly you need the CLA with Tonalin for the best > results. >I found a bunch of CLA with tonalin supplements on ebay... any suggestions >as to brand? (check out link) > >http://search-desc.ebay.com/cla-tonalin_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsbrftogZ1QQfromZR10Q >QsotextsearchedZ2 I use a weight loss supplement called Lean Source that's made by Life Time Fitness, my gym company. It's available online or at several store chains (Walmart and Target, I think, and some others). It contains CLA w/ tonalin, and a couple of other things (chromium and something called 7-Keto). I'm not sure if it really helps or not. I lost the bulk of my weight before this product came out, and I wasn't taking anything else with CLA then. My husband took this briefly, but felt that it was making his heart race-- not sure which ingredient would do that. Life Time also sell energy bars with CLA, but I rarely use those since I prefer one of their other energy bars. Here's a link for the supplement, if anyone is interested: http://shop.lifetimefitness.com/items/item_detail.cfm?ITEM_ID=224. Chris 262/150/ (145-150) Thanks Chris. I guess I'm always looking for the shortcut. I'm upset after gaining 7 pounds on vacation, although 2 of those have disappeared now. > >I found a bunch of CLA with tonalin supplements on ebay... any suggestions > >as to brand? (check out link) [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Chris > 262/150/ (145-150) Ally, The study used 4.5 grams 4500 milligrams: "Subjects were randomly assigned in blocks to 4.5 g of olive-oil placebo (n = 59), 4.5 g of 80% CLA-FFA (n = 61) or 4.5 g of 76% CLA-triacylglycerol (n = 60), all given once daily as opaque soft-gel capsules identical in taste and appearance" > >How are you going to know what an overdose is so you can avoid it? > > I take my chances. I take 1 1000mg capsule per day. YMMV. > > Ally > 212/185/160 > Anybody hear of or use Conjugated linoleic acid supplementation? If > so, where do you get it and how much does it cost? And - did it do > anything for you? I sure could use less body fat. CLA seems to be one of those things like chromium. Some people take it and benefit. Some take it and have no apparent effect. Some take it and get various mild ill effects and stop taking it. I've corresponded with folks who broke stalls using it. I guess their body needed it. Great stuff. I tried it during a stall and got no change. I guess my body did not need it. I've corresponded with folks who got bloating when they tried it, water retention. A problem but not a bad one. So try it and see. The worst down side doesn't seem bad. The best up side seems very nice. But if you have to stretch your wallet to afford it, wait until you have the money to spare. |
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