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byakee - 15 Jun 2004 18:05 GMT
Although my current figure doesn't show it, I was a bit of a jock
in high school (Phys. Ed., Track & Field, Vollyeball); so I should
know how to exercise properly. Still, I was in a hurry this morning
and didn't stretch before I walked! I started off faster than usual
too, and by half of a mile, my shins were aching! I only managed
about 1.5 miles today, and now I'm hurting. I just hope I'm back
to normal by Thursday (I try to walk 3-4x per week).

I feel so silly...

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J.J. in WA (Change COLD to HOT for e-mail)

Start of diet  : 251    Current Weight : 229
Original Weight: 275    First Goal     : 199

jayjay - 15 Jun 2004 18:38 GMT
>Although my current figure doesn't show it, I was a bit of a jock
>in high school (Phys. Ed., Track & Field, Vollyeball); so I should
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>
>I feel so silly...

start stretching now.   And stretch periodically thru-out the day and
you'll probably find you recover quicker.
Dally - 15 Jun 2004 19:38 GMT
> Although my current figure doesn't show it, I was a bit of a jock
> in high school (Phys. Ed., Track & Field, Vollyeball); so I should
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> I feel so silly...

Actually, the current thinking is that you should warm up and THEN
stretch.  More people get injured by stretching cold than get injured by
working out without stretching.

I typically run 1/2 a mile, stop to stretch, then do the rest of my workout.

Dally
byakee - 15 Jun 2004 22:28 GMT
Hark! I heard Dally <dally@myself.com> say:
> > Although my current figure doesn't show it, I was a bit of a jock
> > in high school (Phys. Ed., Track & Field, Vollyeball); so I should
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> I typically run 1/2 a mile, stop to stretch, then do the rest of my workout.

Well, I'll be! Thanks for the update... :-)

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Original Weight: 275    First Goal     : 199

jayjay - 15 Jun 2004 22:39 GMT
>> Although my current figure doesn't show it, I was a bit of a jock
>> in high school (Phys. Ed., Track & Field, Vollyeball); so I should
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>
>Dally

well, if you want to get nitpicky...  the current thinking is to
stretch often thru-out the day.  :-)
Dally - 16 Jun 2004 02:38 GMT
>>>Although my current figure doesn't show it, I was a bit of a jock
>>>in high school (Phys. Ed., Track & Field, Vollyeball); so I should
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> well, if you want to get nitpicky...  the current thinking is to
> stretch often thru-out the day.  :-)

Hey, get outta my head, that wasn't what *I* was currently thinking!

Dally, currently thinking about stretching right before (imminent) bed
Chris Braun - 16 Jun 2004 04:20 GMT
>Although my current figure doesn't show it, I was a bit of a jock
>in high school (Phys. Ed., Track & Field, Vollyeball); so I should
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>I feel so silly...

Ice is very good for shin splints.  My trainer advises freezing a
paper cup or styrofoam cup full of water, then rubbing it up and down
your shin.  It really helps.

Chris (btdt :-) )
byakee - 16 Jun 2004 05:44 GMT
Hark! I heard Chris Braun <braun_chris@mindspring.com> say:

> >Although my current figure doesn't show it, I was a bit of a jock
> >in high school (Phys. Ed., Track & Field, Vollyeball); so I should
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Chris (btdt :-) )

Thanks Chris -- my legs feel a lot better this evening, but we'll
see about tomorrow (as it usually takes about 24 hours for me to
really hurt).

I'm feeling really down tonight. I'm tired and ache all over. And I
was doing so well with my diet up until last Friday; since then I can't
seem to get back on track! I have the best intentions, but I get hungry
at night and just ate a bowl of popcorn with real butter. (One of my
weaknesses.) *Sigh* Well, I just have to try and do better tomorrow...

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Original Weight: 275    First Goal     : 199

byakee - 18 Jun 2004 20:38 GMT
Hark! I heard byakee@COLDmail.com (byakee) say:

> I'm feeling really down tonight. I'm tired and ache all over. And I
> was doing so well with my diet up until last Friday; since then I can't
> seem to get back on track! I have the best intentions, but I get hungry
> at night and just ate a bowl of popcorn with real butter. (One of my
> weaknesses.) *Sigh* Well, I just have to try and do better tomorrow...

I posted this on Tuesday; just wanted to mention that I'm doing
much better now (it's Friday). I finally made myself get on the scale
Wednesday morning, and had gained back 5 pounds in 5 days! I took into
account that one's weight does fluctuate, but it still got me to start
eating better again. I lost two pounds the first day, (which tells me
they were water), and another 1/2 pound yesterday, so while I'm not
happy about the whole episode, at least I'm back on track.

Does/did this ever happen to the rest of you? I mean losing your
way for a few days, then getting back to it. I feel like such a
failure, yet I'm also pleased with myself for not letting it go
on for more than 5 days/pounds -- I feel that if I can keep myself
honest in this fashion, it's possible that maintainence will work
for me when I'm done -- or am I totally off base?

I'm sure some of you may wonder why I'm worried about maintainence
when I've still got a lot of weight to lose -- losing weight has
always been fairly easy, it's keeping it off that has me worried.
Any thoughts? Thanks in advance... :-)

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Original Weight: 275    First Goal     : 199

Ignoramus4798 - 18 Jun 2004 20:42 GMT
> Hark! I heard byakee@COLDmail.com (byakee) say:
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> always been fairly easy, it's keeping it off that has me worried.
> Any thoughts? Thanks in advance... :-)

How much do you eat normally (during dieting)? How many calories per
day? Are you perhaps starving yourself?

I experienced this willpower breakdown a few times when I fasted for
36 hours, at the end of the evening (24-28 hours) I get an
irresistible urge to eat. I give in a little bit. Sometimes it happens
and sometimes it does not happen.

i
byakee - 18 Jun 2004 21:09 GMT
Hark! I heard Ignoramus4798 <ignoramus4798@NOSPAM.4798.invalid> say:
> > Hark! I heard byakee@COLDmail.com (byakee) say:

<snip>

> > Does/did this ever happen to the rest of you? I mean losing your
> > way for a few days, then getting back to it. I feel like such a
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> How much do you eat normally (during dieting)? How many calories per
> day? Are you perhaps starving yourself?

Not in a nutritional sense, no -- I eat 1500 kcals per day. But I do
get terribly hungry after doing this for more than a week. Then my
control gets pretty thin.

> I experienced this willpower breakdown a few times when I fasted for
> 36 hours, at the end of the evening (24-28 hours) I get an
> irresistible urge to eat. I give in a little bit. Sometimes it happens
> and sometimes it does not happen.

I think I need to just give in a bit, and not go whole hog (for lack
of a better expression)... ;-)

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Original Weight: 275    First Goal     : 199

Ignoramus4798 - 18 Jun 2004 21:38 GMT
> Hark! I heard Ignoramus4798 <ignoramus4798@NOSPAM.4798.invalid> say:
>> > Hark! I heard byakee@COLDmail.com (byakee) say:
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> get terribly hungry after doing this for more than a week. Then my
> control gets pretty thin.

At 232 lbs, you eat 1500 cals per day? Or, 6.46 calories per pound?

That's way less than I could handle with my own willpower...

Have you thought about maybe eating a  bit more?

Like adding a 200 cal evening snack, or some such?

>> I experienced this willpower breakdown a few times when I fasted for
>> 36 hours, at the end of the evening (24-28 hours) I get an
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I think I need to just give in a bit, and not go whole hog (for lack
> of a better expression)... ;-)

I tend to think along the same lines, myself...

i
byakee - 20 Jun 2004 01:26 GMT
Hark! I heard Ignoramus4798 <ignoramus4798@NOSPAM.4798.invalid> say:
> > Hark! I heard Ignoramus4798 <ignoramus4798@NOSPAM.4798.invalid> say:

<snip>

> >> How much do you eat normally (during dieting)? How many calories per
> >> day? Are you perhaps starving yourself?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Like adding a 200 cal evening snack, or some such?

<snip>

I think you're probably right. My doctor (an internist) told me to
limit myself1500 calories per day, but when I stick to it religously,
I lose 2.5-3.5 pounds per week and can't stick with it for more than
a couple of weeks, if that.

I think on Monday, I'll push my limit up to 1750 calories for a
couple of weeks, and see how it goes. I have to remember that it's
about long, not short term results. Thanks for the suggestion... :-)

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byakee - 20 Jun 2004 02:53 GMT
Hark! I heard byakee@COLDmail.com (byakee) say:

<snip>

> I think on Monday, I'll push my limit up to 1750 calories for a
> couple of weeks, and see how it goes.

BTW, I checked an online calorie calculator:

http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm

At an activity level of "moderately active" (moderate exercise
3-5 times per week), I need 2747 calories/day to maintain my
current weight. So cutting back to 1750 cals equals a 997 calorie
deficit per day. At 3500 calories per pound of fat, that means I
should lose between 1.5 and 2 pounds per week. That sounds much
easier than the 1500 calorie/2.5-3.5 pound loss per week I've been
trying to maintain.

If I'm not figuring this correctly, someone please let me know... :-)

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janice - 20 Jun 2004 10:35 GMT
>Hark! I heard Ignoramus4798 <ignoramus4798@NOSPAM.4798.invalid> say:
>> > Hark! I heard Ignoramus4798 <ignoramus4798@NOSPAM.4798.invalid> say:
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>couple of weeks, and see how it goes. I have to remember that it's
>about long, not short term results. Thanks for the suggestion... :-)

A way of eating you can't stick to because you're hungry is not very
useful.  Better to eat a little more and lose more slowly if that's
the alternative.

janice
(who often wonders why she doesn't take her own advice)
byakee - 21 Jun 2004 18:21 GMT
Hark! I heard janice@london.uk (janice) say:

<snip>

> >I think on Monday, I'll push my limit up to 1750 calories for a
> >couple of weeks, and see how it goes. I have to remember that it's
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> useful.  Better to eat a little more and lose more slowly if that's
> the alternative.

Yup, exactly right.

> janice
> (who often wonders why she doesn't take her own advice)

Heh, I think you're in the majority on that one, Janice -- I know
few people who take their own advice... ;-)

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Ignoramus26125 - 20 Jun 2004 13:32 GMT
> Hark! I heard Ignoramus4798 <ignoramus4798@NOSPAM.4798.invalid> say:
>> > Hark! I heard Ignoramus4798 <ignoramus4798@NOSPAM.4798.invalid> say:
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> couple of weeks, and see how it goes. I have to remember that it's
> about long, not short term results. Thanks for the suggestion... :-)

Hey, your body, your science experiment! I'd be interested to hear how
1700 calories works...

i
byakee - 21 Jun 2004 18:25 GMT
Hark! I heard Ignoramus26125 <ignoramus26125@NOSPAM.26125.invalid> say:

<snip>

> > I think on Monday, I'll push my limit up to 1750 calories for a
> > couple of weeks, and see how it goes. I have to remember that it's
> > about long, not short term results. Thanks for the suggestion... :-)

> Hey, your body, your science experiment! I'd be interested to hear how
> 1700 calories works...

Today I'm starting the 1700 (not 1750) calories per day plan. And
that being said, I'm going to go mow the lawn before it gets too
hot. I'll post an update on Saturday.

Thanks again, ASD, for the encouragement and advice -- you guys
are indispensible... :-)

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..fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum!

Chris Braun - 18 Jun 2004 21:32 GMT
>Does/did this ever happen to the rest of you? I mean losing your
>way for a few days, then getting back to it. I feel like such a
>failure, yet I'm also pleased with myself for not letting it go
>on for more than 5 days/pounds -- I feel that if I can keep myself
>honest in this fashion, it's possible that maintainence will work
>for me when I'm done -- or am I totally off base?

I have eaten in a similar pattern, but haven't considered it "losing
my way", since it was sort of intentional splurging while on vacation
or some such.  I've never had trouble going right back on plan, and
because I know that I will, I never get mad at myself about it.  

This may be sort of the right idea for maintenance, but you don't want
a sort of constant binge/abstain cycle, of course.  But the idea of
catching any gain early and reversing it seems right on target.

>I'm sure some of you may wonder why I'm worried about maintainence
>when I've still got a lot of weight to lose -- losing weight has
>always been fairly easy, it's keeping it off that has me worried.
>Any thoughts? Thanks in advance... :-)

Well, I asked a similar question the other day and got some good
answers.  I'll let you know how it goes for me :-).

Chris
262/145/ (145-150)
janice - 18 Jun 2004 21:44 GMT
>Hark! I heard byakee@COLDmail.com (byakee) say:
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>always been fairly easy, it's keeping it off that has me worried.
>Any thoughts? Thanks in advance... :-)

Some of this could have been written by me:)  It's nothing for me to
regain at a pound a day.  Where we differ is that if that happens, it
nearly always takes me quite a bit longer than 5 days to get back on
track.   So, from that point of view, you've done well.
There's nothing strange about thinking ahead to maintenance.  I
sometimes wonder how I would ever cope with it, and I think it's
important that we learn lessons along the way that will help us
maintain when the time comes.

janice
byakee - 20 Jun 2004 01:22 GMT
Hark! I heard janice@london.uk (janice) say:

<snip>

> Some of this could have been written by me:)  It's nothing for me to
> regain at a pound a day.  Where we differ is that if that happens, it
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> important that we learn lessons along the way that will help us
> maintain when the time comes.

Thanks for the encouragement, Janice & Chris -- I appreciate it! Having
this group makes it so much easier because you guys are either going or
been through it yourselves. I think Ig is probably right; 1500 is just
too little for me, right now (see other post).

Thanks again... :-)

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cooper - 21 Jun 2004 18:56 GMT
> Does/did this ever happen to the rest of you? I mean losing your
> way for a few days, then getting back to it. I feel like such a
> failure, yet I'm also pleased with myself for not letting it go
> on for more than 5 days/pounds -- I feel that if I can keep myself
> honest in this fashion, it's possible that maintainence will work
> for me when I'm done -- or am I totally off base?

No, you're not off base; for this past Father's Day I didn't watch what I
had at all- and couple that up with a few Ethnic festivals we've had around
town this weekend it's safe to say I didn't stick to my plan either. I
accepted it- it was darn good food! I still watched how _much_ I ate, but I
sampled just about everything that was there. Not beating myself up for it
either- just going to go about my normal routine for the week. Well, for the
day, really- I have to take it one step at a time. But I will admit, for me
it's awfully hard to get back on track after a weekend like that. <grin> But
once I'm on board, I'm ok.

When I first decided to give this a serious go I accepted the fact that I
would allow myself days that I can relax a little. I have to realize that
one or two days isn't going to undo everything I've done over the past 4
months, and that weight loss isn't a race. It'll happen, eventually.

Kim
byakee - 21 Jun 2004 20:46 GMT
Hark! I heard "cooper" <noone@home.com> say:

> > Does/did this ever happen to the rest of you? I mean losing your
> > way for a few days, then getting back to it. I feel like such a
> > failure, yet I'm also pleased with myself for not letting it go
> > on for more than 5 days/pounds -- I feel that if I can keep myself
> > honest in this fashion, it's possible that maintainence will work
> > for me when I'm done -- or am I totally off base?

<snip>

> When I first decided to give this a serious go I accepted the fact that I
> would allow myself days that I can relax a little.

How do your family/friends act when you do this? If I say "I'm not
counting calories today", I get this look like "uh-oh!". I really
hate that! I know they're going by my past 10 years as a morbidly
obese person, but I have lost quite a bit -- they don't seem to
take that into account.

> I have to realize that
> one or two days isn't going to undo everything I've done over the past 4
> months, and that weight loss isn't a race. It'll happen, eventually.

I agree completely... :-)

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janice - 22 Jun 2004 07:00 GMT
>Hark! I heard "cooper" <noone@home.com> say:

>> When I first decided to give this a serious go I accepted the fact that I
>> would allow myself days that I can relax a little.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>obese person, but I have lost quite a bit -- they don't seem to
>take that into account.

Personally, I deal with this by never telling anyone I'm counting
calories in the first place - not even DH, although I'm sure he
notices differences in my food intake some days.  I have enough
problems without feeling I'm being "watched" to see if I'm sticking to
my plan.  I just don't tell anyone what the plan is or even that there
is one.  Perhaps that sounds strange, but I've done all that in the
past and it's not the way I want to go.

janice
byakee - 22 Jun 2004 22:03 GMT
Hark! I heard janice@london.uk (janice) say:
> >Hark! I heard "cooper" <noone@home.com> say:

> >> When I first decided to give this a serious go I accepted the fact that I
> >> would allow myself days that I can relax a little.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> is one.  Perhaps that sounds strange, but I've done all that in the
> past and it's not the way I want to go.

It's not strange, I just wish I'd have thought of it... :-)

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Alex - 22 Jun 2004 22:45 GMT
>>Hark! I heard "cooper" <noone@home.com> say:
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>janice

I do the same thing, Janice! Only hubby knows, since he does all the
food prep and serving. At this point, people are asking what I'm doing
and I usually just say I'm watching what I eat. I only share that I'm
counting calories with very few. I find I do better that way. Glad I'm
not the only one! :-)

Ally
212/181/160
janice - 22 Jun 2004 23:46 GMT
>>>Hark! I heard "cooper" <noone@home.com> say:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>Ally
>212/181/160

Thanks Ally, you make me feel better.  But I'd tell DH if that meant
he'd do the cooking:)

janice
SnugBear - 22 Jun 2004 12:10 GMT
> How do your family/friends act when you do this? If I say "I'm not
> counting calories today", I get this look like "uh-oh!". I really
> hate that! I know they're going by my past 10 years as a morbidly
> obese person, but I have lost quite a bit -- they don't seem to
> take that into account.

I look them in the eye, smile sweetly and say "I can have anything I want
- I just can't have it all *today*"

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byakee - 22 Jun 2004 22:04 GMT
Hark! I heard SnugBear <snugNObear@midmaine.com> say:

> > How do your family/friends act when you do this? If I say "I'm not
> > counting calories today", I get this look like "uh-oh!". I really
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I look them in the eye, smile sweetly and say "I can have anything I want
> - I just can't have it all *today*"

I love that answer! Thanks, Laurie, that's a great one...

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