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Taking a HUGE risk.

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Jarkat2002 - 16 Jun 2004 15:52 GMT
Ok, I'm taking a huge risk w/ this ... I have NEVER done anything like this
before ... but what I did before didn't work, so it's time for something new.
www.fitday.com
TheIronWoman
~Kat
/who is closing her eyes as she hits send.
~Kat

"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."
Jim Bard - 16 Jun 2004 15:58 GMT
> Ok, I'm taking a huge risk w/ this ... I have NEVER done anything like this
> before ... but what I did before didn't work, so it's time for something new.

I don't use it, but I know a number of people who would give up their
spouses before they'd give up Fitday.  Good luck!
Ignoramus23926 - 16 Jun 2004 16:06 GMT
Now, time to enter food eaten!

i
Jim Bard - 16 Jun 2004 16:14 GMT
> Now, time to enter food eaten!
>
> i

Makes sense to me.  Seems like if you put meals into Fitday instead of your
stomach, you should lose weight.
jayjay - 16 Jun 2004 16:43 GMT
>Ok, I'm taking a huge risk w/ this ... I have NEVER done anything like this
>before ... but what I did before didn't work, so it's time for something new.
>www.fitday.com

Took me a bit to figure it out - but got there.   :-)    I've never
used fitday  ;)

But - Good going!!   THen again, I've seen pics of you before...  <eg>

Oh, did you know that Whylers makes a powdered zerocal drink just like
Crystal Lite - but its much cheaper and tastes the same, uses the same
ingredients.   :)
Jarkat2002 - 16 Jun 2004 17:45 GMT
>Oh, did you know that Whylers makes a powdered zerocal drink just like
>Crystal Lite - but its much cheaper and tastes the same, uses the same
>ingredients.   :)  

That's what I really had :) but it's not on the fitday site.  At least not that
I could find.
~Kat

"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."
Mary M - Ohio - 16 Jun 2004 18:07 GMT
I don't quite get this post -- do you mean for us to enter TheIronWoman and ~Kat as
the user name and password? I tried that, but it didn't work.

Mary M

> Ok, I'm taking a huge risk w/ this ... I have NEVER done anything like this
> before ... but what I did before didn't work, so it's time for something new.
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>
> "The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."
Ignoramus23926 - 16 Jun 2004 18:12 GMT
> I don't quite get this post -- do you mean for us to enter TheIronWoman and ~Kat as
> the user name and password? I tried that, but it didn't work.

I think that she invites us to look at her public fitness log... You
know with food, weight, exercise, and daily notes.

Mine is at

    http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=ichudov

I use fitday right now because I need to lose 3 lbs, 1 that I gained
and two pounds that need to come out by the end of this month.

i

> Mary M
>
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>>
>> "The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."
Mary M - Ohio - 16 Jun 2004 18:18 GMT
That's what I thought, but I didn't know how to access her file since the link she
posted just gets you into Fitday.

Keeping records is a great way to get back on track -- I have already been doing so
much better now that I found the willingness to get out the food journal again. I
found that I like doing mine on paper as opposed to the computer -- whatever works is
wonderful, though!

Mary

> > I don't quite get this post -- do you mean for us to enter TheIronWoman and ~Kat as
> > the user name and password? I tried that, but it didn't work.
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> >>
> >> "The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."
Jarkat2002 - 16 Jun 2004 18:45 GMT
>That's what I thought, but I didn't know how to access her file since the
>link she
>posted just gets you into Fitday.

This may be better

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=theironwoman
~Kat

"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."
Mary M - Ohio - 16 Jun 2004 18:56 GMT
> This may be better
> http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=theironwoman

Thank you; that worked perfectly. Great job in taking the reins of accountability and
showing the willingness to try something different and scary for you. As I remember,
you were very reluctant to post your weight? Congratulations for doing so -- that is
a big step and I would venture to say that many of us felt that way at the beginning.
And believe me, had I topped out at your weight, I would be dancing on air right now,
because my journey would have been much shorter and my body would look so much better
than it does now. So you are off to a great start! Keep that momentum going!

Mary M
325-157-148
jayjay - 16 Jun 2004 20:22 GMT
>Thank you; that worked perfectly. Great job in taking the reins of accountability and
>showing the willingness to try something different and scary for you. As I remember,
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>Mary M
>325-157-148

Their site isn't real intuitive.  I had to sign up and then publish my
journal in order to see the web link that was provided, then I just
changed the Owner= to her name.

But I'm a computer geek and that kind of logic works with my brain,
but doesn't with everyones.   :)
Mary M - Ohio - 16 Jun 2004 20:27 GMT
> >Thank you; that worked perfectly. Great job in taking the reins of accountability and
> >showing the willingness to try something different and scary for you. As I remember,
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> But I'm a computer geek and that kind of logic works with my brain,
> but doesn't with everyones.   :)

That explains it! I thought you were clairvoyant or something! :-) Couldn't figure
out how you knew she had Crystal Light! Thanks, Jayjay.

Mary
jayjay - 16 Jun 2004 20:45 GMT
>That explains it! I thought you were clairvoyant or something! :-) Couldn't figure
>out how you knew she had Crystal Light! Thanks, Jayjay.
>
>Mary

well ....  I am clairvoyant, didn't ya know.  :)    (hey, some of my
coworkers think that when I answer their questions before they ask,
because i already know as I've already been notified by the computer
somehow.....  )
Ignoramus23926 - 16 Jun 2004 19:07 GMT
>>That's what I thought, but I didn't know how to access her file since the
>>link she
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>
> http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=theironwoman

Kat, according to Dr Atkins, aspartame is known to stall weight
loss. Just thought that it was worth mentioning, as you drink some
aspartame laden stuff.

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Jarkat2002 - 16 Jun 2004 19:14 GMT
>Kat, according to Dr Atkins, aspartame is known to stall weight
>loss. Just thought that it was worth mentioning, as you drink some
>aspartame laden stuff.
>
>i

Ya ... i know :(
But I have just given up my diet Coke habit and I just am not able to drink
water like I should.  So, for now I'll go w/ what I'm doing.  
If I get stalled I'll change it.

~Kat

"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."
Ignoramus23926 - 16 Jun 2004 19:24 GMT
>>Kat, according to Dr Atkins, aspartame is known to stall weight
>>loss. Just thought that it was worth mentioning, as you drink some
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> water like I should.  So, for now I'll go w/ what I'm doing.  
> If I get stalled I'll change it.

yep, if you get stalled, change it...

i
jayjay - 16 Jun 2004 20:24 GMT
>>Kat, according to Dr Atkins, aspartame is known to stall weight
>>loss. Just thought that it was worth mentioning, as you drink some
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>
>"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."

Its never caused me to stall.

But, as a tip, try weaning yourself off by watering down your
drinks....  start with 50/50 or even 75/25 and work your way down.
With things like gatorade for workouts, I put about 6oz in my bottle,
then fill the rest of the 32oz bottle with water now.   It gives me
just enough taste (and the electrolyte/salt/sugar) to help with hard
workouts.

For me, there is usually enough left in the bottom that even filling
my bottle up a 2nd time at the gym (their water tastes nasty) will
keep the taste ok.
Chris Braun - 17 Jun 2004 01:02 GMT
>>>That's what I thought, but I didn't know how to access her file since the
>>>link she
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>
>i

Yeah?  I consume aspartame all the time -- routinely put Equal on my
cereal and drink Diet Pepsi daily.  Hasn't seemed to hurt me any :-).

I don't take my diet advice from Dr. A, though.

Chris
262/146/ (145-150) -- and drinking Diet Pepsi as I read the list
Ignoramus23926 - 17 Jun 2004 01:35 GMT
>>>>That's what I thought, but I didn't know how to access her file since the
>>>>link she
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> Yeah?  I consume aspartame all the time -- routinely put Equal on my
> cereal and drink Diet Pepsi daily.  Hasn't seemed to hurt me any :-).

On the other hand, Chris, didn't you experience a few long weight stalls?

i

> I don't take my diet advice from Dr. A, though.
>
> Chris
> 262/146/ (145-150) -- and drinking Diet Pepsi as I read the list
Chris Braun - 17 Jun 2004 01:49 GMT
>On the other hand, Chris, didn't you experience a few long weight stalls?

Depends on if you consider 3 weeks long, I guess -- I had a few of
those.  It wasn't a problem to me.

The point is, these periods didn't correlate with any change in my
consumption of aspartame or anything else.  I see no more reason to
blame aspartame than, say, eggs or broccoli, both of which I've also
been consuming regularly, along with many other foods.  Or maybe I
should blame weightlifting or running, both of which I've also been
doing throughout.  Or I could blame my job, my hobby of needlework, or
other regular activities.  All such conclusions would be equally
supportable -- i.e., not at all.

Maybe there are people who lose weight steadily every week for 2
years, but I'm not one of them.  But I've lost every month.  I've been
very happy with my rate of weight loss.  It was right on target with
my objective when I began all this.  Due to my desire to preserve as
much muscle and strength as possible, particularly rapid loss was
never an objective -- rather the opposite.  At one point (before I got
involved w/ ASD) I found myself losing too fast and adjusted my eating
upward a bit.

Chris
262/146/ (145-150)
Ignoramus23926 - 17 Jun 2004 04:12 GMT
you have done a splendid job Chris.

i

>>On the other hand, Chris, didn't you experience a few long weight stalls?
>
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> Chris
> 262/146/ (145-150)
rosie  read and post - 17 Jun 2004 14:13 GMT
according to your  journaling for june 16th you only ate 330
calories?
is that correct?
if so, why so little?

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rosie
http://www.infoshout.com/the_toll.htm
http://www.truthout.org/

: >That's what I thought, but I didn't know how to access her file since the
: >link she
: >posted just gets you into Fitday.
:
: This may be better

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=theironwoman
: ~Kat
:
: "The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."
Ignoramus30064 - 17 Jun 2004 14:28 GMT
> according to your  journaling for june 16th you only ate 330
> calories?
> is that correct?
> if so, why so little?

and the calorie burned number is most likely bogus also.

i
Jarkat2002 - 17 Jun 2004 14:42 GMT
>and the calorie burned number is most likely bogus also.
>
>i

interesting, I didn't even put in anything for activity.  I'm not sure why it's
even there.
~Kat

"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."
Ignoramus30064 - 17 Jun 2004 15:00 GMT
>>and the calorie burned number is most likely bogus also.
>>
>>i
>
> interesting, I didn't even put in anything for activity.  I'm not sure why it's
> even there.

Try setting your lifestyle to "sedentary/bedridden", and then enter
specific activities. fitday overstates calories spent, otherwise. I am
as far from bedridden as it gets, and yet sedentary/bedridden is the
right setting for me.

i
Jarkat2002 - 17 Jun 2004 15:06 GMT
>Try setting your lifestyle to "sedentary/bedridden", and then enter
>specific activities. fitday overstates calories spent, otherwise. I am
>as far from bedridden as it gets, and yet sedentary/bedridden is the
>right setting for me.

It's not the right setting for me.  I would never put myself down as bedridden.
~Kat

"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."
Jarkat2002 - 17 Jun 2004 14:45 GMT
>and the calorie burned number is most likely bogus also.
>
>i

well, i see now that putting it up here was a big f.cking mistake.
I won't be doing that again.
~Kat

"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."
Dally - 17 Jun 2004 15:07 GMT
>>and the calorie burned number is most likely bogus also.
>>
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> I won't be doing that again.
> ~Kat

Why?  You got good input.  The point of this exercise is to help you,
not slam you.  Using fitday is a great tool.  Nudging you as a beginner
towards using it right seems like we're helping you.  There isn't any
judging going on here.

Igor is right, the "calories burned" number way overstates your resting
basal metabolism.  (I have no idea where they got those ridiculous
numbers.)  His idea of putting your lifestyle as sedentary/bedridden
makes sense to me as a work-around, not an indictment of your lifestyle.

Dally
Ignoramus30064 - 17 Jun 2004 15:16 GMT
>>>and the calorie burned number is most likely bogus also.
>>>
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> numbers.)  His idea of putting your lifestyle as sedentary/bedridden
> makes sense to me as a work-around, not an indictment of your lifestyle.

I am well aware that Jarkat is an active mother. So suggesting to
enter sedentary/bedridden should not be interpreted as a putdown. I am
an "active father" and yet I enter sedentary/bedridden. Otherwise,
fitday overstates calories burned, quite terribly.

For the amount of money spent, Jarkat got very good value in terms of
input from other posters. I can hardly recall any suggestion made to
her by anyone that was incorrect.

i
Alex - 17 Jun 2004 15:55 GMT
>>and the calorie burned number is most likely bogus also.
>>
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>
>"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."

Awwwww, Kat. :-( I'm bummed you feel that way. I thought it was a HUGE
and amazing (!) step for you to post your journal and make it
available for us to see. Like you said what you did before didn't
work, so I can only imagine the strength it took for you to make your
diet available for all to help you! I was in awe of your leap of
faith, posting that.

Overall, I have found fitday fantastic for journaling food choices and
adding up caloric intake, but the calories burned section is woefully
inadequate. Beverly suggested www.caloriesperhour.com and I found that
fitday was underestimating my workout calories burned and my
lifestyle/BMR overestimated. In all, I found that I generally burn
MORE per day than fitday says. Which, of course, is a good thing. :-)

I hope in the future you'll reconsider sharing your journalling, but
if not, I know how you feel. Just know I admire your strength!

Ally
212/181/160
Ignoramus30064 - 17 Jun 2004 15:59 GMT
> Overall, I have found fitday fantastic for journaling food choices and
> adding up caloric intake, but the calories burned section is woefully
> inadequate. Beverly suggested www.caloriesperhour.com and I found that

For me, their calories burned are wildly off the mark (predict weight
changes incorrectly over the long run), unless Ienter
sedentary/bedridden.

i
Jarkat2002 - 17 Jun 2004 14:41 GMT
>according to your  journaling for june 16th you only ate 330
>calories?
>is that correct?

No, I was very tired last night and no time to put everything in.

~Kat

"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."
Ignoramus30064 - 17 Jun 2004 15:00 GMT
>>according to your  journaling for june 16th you only ate 330
>>calories?
>>is that correct?
>
> No, I was very tired last night and no time to put everything in.

you could enter your foods for yesterday, click on "<<" on the op of
the foods screen.

i
Jarkat2002 - 17 Jun 2004 14:44 GMT
>according to your  journaling for june 16th you only ate 330
>calories?
>is that correct?
>if so, why so little?

also, i put what i ate in the journal area.
~Kat

"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."
Jarkat2002 - 16 Jun 2004 18:44 GMT
>I don't quite get this post -- do you mean for us to enter TheIronWoman and
>~Kat as
>the user name and password? I tried that, but it didn't work.
>
>Mary M

It's a public journal ... so you don't need a password.
My user ID is "theironwoman"
~Kat

"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."
Mary M - Ohio - 16 Jun 2004 18:51 GMT
I don't see any way to see your journal from the link you posted.

Mary

> >I don't quite get this post -- do you mean for us to enter TheIronWoman and
> >~Kat as
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> "The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."
Mary M - Ohio - 16 Jun 2004 18:56 GMT
Never mind -- I just saw your other post -- thanks!

Mary

> I don't see any way to see your journal from the link you posted.
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> >
> > "The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."
Teri - 16 Jun 2004 18:11 GMT
> Ok, I'm taking a huge risk w/ this ... I have NEVER done anything like this
> before ... but what I did before didn't work, so it's time for something new.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> /who is closing her eyes as she hits send.
> ~Kat

I don't know how to see you there.  Am I missing something?
Teri
 
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