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Chris Braun - 18 Jun 2004 02:43 GMT
Well, today I weighed in at 145.  I'm not sure why I've lost weight so
fast these last few days -- it's not what I expected to happen when I
got down to this level; I thought it might take me a few months to
lose the last 5 pounds, and instead it has been only a few weeks.
I've had some significant weekend splurges but then been relatively
abstemious the rest of the time.  Maybe this is a good combination.
Sometimes this just happens, though -- I'll have a slow period and
then a whoosh.  Anyway, this puts me at the bottom of my goal range,
so I'm going to officially start trying to just maintain.

Lately I've been eating on the order of 1150 calories on many of the
weekdays, with some higher days when I go out.  I'm going to try, for
now, to eat at least 1300 each day.  If I still lose or don't gain at
all with that, I'll gradually up it.  

I don't expect there to be big changes in how I eat, but it's quite a
different mindset somehow.  

I'm pleased, though :-).

Chris
262/145/ (145-150)
Ignoramus30064 - 18 Jun 2004 02:49 GMT
so you now have some weight "cushion" below your goal...

congratulations!

i

> Well, today I weighed in at 145.  I'm not sure why I've lost weight so
> fast these last few days -- it's not what I expected to happen when I
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> Chris
> 262/145/ (145-150)
Chris Braun - 18 Jun 2004 03:06 GMT
>so you now have some weight "cushion" below your goal...
>
>congratulations!
>
>i

Thanks!  Yeah, the idea was to have kind of a cushion.  I wouldn't
want to be in situation where I got upset if I gained a single pound.
Normal weight fluctuations would drive me crazy if I felt like I had
to maintain an exact number  :-).

Chris
Pegasus - 18 Jun 2004 04:14 GMT
>Lately I've been eating on the order of 1150 calories on many of the
>weekdays, with some higher days when I go out.  I'm going to try, for
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>I don't expect there to be big changes in how I eat, but it's quite a
>different mindset somehow.  

How tall are you, what's your body frame and what's your bodyfat like
and how active are you?

1300 calories a day is not a sustainable level for any human being,
save maybe a small child, for any ammount of time. If your input does
not begin to approach and match your output once you've lost your
bodyfat, you could have a serious malnurishment problem, and you
should seek professional medical help and have a complete bloodwork
done.

I'm not here to rain on your parade, Chris. I'm just used to some
people taking it WAAAY too far :-)
Chris Braun - 18 Jun 2004 04:34 GMT
>>Lately I've been eating on the order of 1150 calories on many of the
>>weekdays, with some higher days when I go out.  I'm going to try, for
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>I'm not here to rain on your parade, Chris. I'm just used to some
>people taking it WAAAY too far :-)

You don't know what you're talking about.  I've been dieting for two
years, working with a nutritionist.    My health is excellent.  I am
never ill.  My doctor is most impressed with my health.  All of my
indicators are in healthy ranges.  (And I just today -- I posted about
this separately -- had a bone scan in which my bone mass was off the
charts for my age group.)

I am 5'6", relatively large frame -- don't know BF% but am sure it's
fairly low.  I am a competitive weighlifter; I am the state bench
press champion in my age group, and silver medalist in the Olympic
lifting Masters' Nationals.  I lift 4-5 times per week.  I also walk
10-20 miles per week and run 6-8 miles.  I have maintained this
exercise program during the 2 years I have been dieting.  I also work
full-time as a systems engineer.

I am also a menopausal 56 year old woman.  If you care to learn
something about all this, you will find that the nutritional needs of
menopausal women are significantly different than those of younger
women or of men of any age.

Chris
Pegasus - 18 Jun 2004 05:02 GMT
>You don't know what you're talking about.

Gee, touchy feely are we? It looks like a large number of people in
this group are so concerned with dieting it's taken on an almost
religious fanatical zeal.

I have a doctorate in astrophysics. Granted, I'm no doctor, but we did
cover biochemistry pretty well.

>I've been dieting for two years, working with a nutritionist.

For two years? And you're still overweight?

>I am 5'6", relatively large frame -- don't know BF% but am sure it's
>fairly low.  I am a competitive weighlifter; I am the state bench
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>exercise program during the 2 years I have been dieting.  I also work
>full-time as a systems engineer.

Okay, all this, for two years, eating 1150 calories? And you still
think you're overweight? Sorry, but maybe you should be seing a
psychiatrist, not a nutrionist. What you are doing is by no stretch of
the imagination considered healthy.

>I am also a menopausal 56 year old woman.  If you care to learn
>something about all this, you will find that the nutritional needs of
>menopausal women are significantly different than those of younger
>women or of men of any age.

I know enough to know that after two years, and with such an active
schedule, you cannot stay healthy on 1150 calories a day.
Perple Gyrl - 18 Jun 2004 05:07 GMT
> >You don't know what you're talking about.
>
> Gee, touchy feely are we? It looks like a large number of people in
> this group are so concerned with dieting it's taken on an almost
> religious fanatical zeal.

Chris is not on a diet... she changed her WOL for life!  Losing over 100 lbs
over 2 years, working with weight trainers and nutritionist is much
healthier method then most people.

> >I've been dieting for two years, working with a nutritionist.
>
> For two years? And you're still overweight?

She is no longer overweight, or can't you read her original post where she
said she is officially at goal weight... she lost her weight slowly and
safely.

> >I am 5'6", relatively large frame -- don't know BF% but am sure it's
> >fairly low.  I am a competitive weighlifter; I am the state bench
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> psychiatrist, not a nutrionist. What you are doing is by no stretch of
> the imagination considered healthy.

You must be a troll to type something as stupid and unfounded as that last
paragraph.

> >I am also a menopausal 56 year old woman.  If you care to learn
> >something about all this, you will find that the nutritional needs of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I know enough to know that after two years, and with such an active
> schedule, you cannot stay healthy on 1150 calories a day.

If you have been reading her posts more regularly, you would know that she
lost most of her weight by gradually reducing calories and mainly eating
about 1500 a day.  Apparently, she is incredibly healthy and in excellent
shape so who are you comparing her to?  For someone who supposedly has their
doctorate in astrophysics, you sure are good at making stupid, unfounded
statements about someone you don't know.  But what do I know... I am just a
lowly mortgage banker with just a bach.

Sorry for getting involved in this Chris.. but I can't help it!
Pegasus - 18 Jun 2004 05:42 GMT
>You must be a troll to type something as stupid and unfounded as that last
>paragraph.

Yeah, I'm sincerely concerned about people's health, shame on me!
*lol* I'm sorry if it gets in the way of the little low-carb cult you
guys have running here, I'm just looking to make sure nobody hurts
themselves.

Anywho, must be off to work. TTYAL.
Perple Gyrl - 18 Jun 2004 05:24 GMT
> >You must be a troll to type something as stupid and unfounded as that last
> >paragraph.
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>
> Anywho, must be off to work. TTYAL.

Ummm Hello... Chris isn't low carbing and neither am I or many people here.
Where did you get that everyone here was?  Where the f*ck are you getting
that this entire NG is based on a cult of low carbers?  There is a NG just
for low carbers... people here follow different plans.  Why don't you go
torture them with your willingness to save them from being taken over by a
cult of low carbers?  alt.support.diet.low-carb.
Lee Rodgers - 18 Jun 2004 06:10 GMT
>> >You must be a troll to type something as stupid and unfounded as that
>last
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>torture them with your willingness to save them from being taken over by a
>cult of low carbers?  alt.support.diet.low-carb.

Um, thanks Gyrl.  But we already have a full assortment of ignorant
"concerned citizens" over on asdlc saving us from our lowcarbing
cultish selves. :)   I am in a real rush to be saved back into the 200
pounds I no longer cart around.  And,  I am really just dying to
regain all of the co-morbidities associated with super-obesity.  Yes.
I want to be enlightened by the great and powerful Oz.   Err make that
Pegasus. <LOL>  Please, ya'll keep it.  It's YOUR troll, we don't want
it. ;)
Lee Rodgers
Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org
Perple Gyrl - 18 Jun 2004 05:50 GMT
Awww I was just trying to help so you can benefit from his wisdom.  Didn't
you know that he has a doctorate in astrophysics so I am sure he knows what
he is talking about.

"Lee Rodgers" <agent42@charter.net> wrote in message

> Um, thanks Gyrl.  But we already have a full assortment of ignorant
> "concerned citizens" over on asdlc saving us from our lowcarbing
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> Lee Rodgers
> Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org
rosie  read and post - 18 Jun 2004 20:43 GMT
 Why don't you go
: torture them with your willingness to save them from being taken over by a
: cult of low carbers?  alt.support.diet.low-carb.

hey perple gyrl,
you keep him!
we have enough LC bashers!
Perple Gyrl - 19 Jun 2004 01:34 GMT
To Lee and Rosie

I'm sorry I didn't mean anything by it.  I was frustrated and tired last
night when I posted that!

>   Why don't you go
> : torture them with your willingness to save them from being taken
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> you keep him!
> we have enough LC bashers!
Lee Rodgers - 19 Jun 2004 02:40 GMT
>To Lee and Rosie
>
>I'm sorry I didn't mean anything by it.  I was frustrated and tired last
>night when I posted that!
Hey don't give it another thought.  The smilie :) and the wink ;) were
to let ya know that we're OK.   I'm just sorry I didn't killfile the
troll sooner.  
Lee Rodgers
Lowcarb Retreat http://www.lowcarb.org
JMA - 18 Jun 2004 05:57 GMT
> >You must be a troll to type something as stupid and unfounded as that last
> >paragraph.
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>
> Anywho, must be off to work. TTYAL.

Your ignorance is showing again - you might want to do something about it.
This is not the low carb group. But please don't let that stop you from
railing against a group of people you don't know anything about.  You appear
to be rather stupid for a rocket scientist.
janice - 18 Jun 2004 06:53 GMT
>>You must be a troll to type something as stupid and unfounded as that last
>>paragraph.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Anywho, must be off to work. TTYAL.

I think you're in the wrong group here.  Who said anything about low
carb?  

Why don't you try reading in a group for a while before jumping in and
spouting off.

janice
Perple Gyrl - 18 Jun 2004 05:51 GMT
"janice" <janice@london.uk> wrote in message
> I think you're in the wrong group here.  Who said anything about low
> carb?
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>
> janice

Janice... how dare you?  He has a doctorate in astrophysics... he must know
everything about everyone here!
Chris Braun - 18 Jun 2004 11:32 GMT
>Sorry for getting involved in this Chris.. but I can't help it!

Hey, no problem!  I missed a lot after I went to bed last night,
obviously :-).  I appreciate what you and others wrote.

Seriously, I think this guy must be a troll.  Let's just ignore him.

Chris
262/145/ (145-150)
JMA - 18 Jun 2004 05:22 GMT
> >You don't know what you're talking about.
>
> Gee, touchy feely are we? It looks like a large number of people in
> this group are so concerned with dieting it's taken on an almost
> religious fanatical zeal.

Gee, a usenet group called alt.support.diet being concerned about dieting...
whoda thunk it?

> I have a doctorate in astrophysics. Granted, I'm no doctor, but we did
> cover biochemistry pretty well.

Well apparently you know everything.  Thank you so much for coming here to
educate the rest of us.

> >I've been dieting for two years, working with a nutritionist.
>
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> psychiatrist, not a nutrionist. What you are doing is by no stretch of
> the imagination considered healthy.

For a rocket scientist, your reading skills are pretty weak.  Where exactly
did she say she was overweight?

> >I am also a menopausal 56 year old woman.  If you care to learn
> >something about all this, you will find that the nutritional needs of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I know enough to know that after two years, and with such an active
> schedule, you cannot stay healthy on 1150 calories a day.

Again, thank you so much for stopping by to share all of your wisdom and
knowledge.  Apparently you have gleaned so much from a few usenet posts that
you can overrule everyone in Chris's real life and make these amazingly
profound assumptions.

When you have refined your trolling skills, please make sure to stop by
again...or not.
Pegasus - 18 Jun 2004 05:35 GMT
>Gee, a usenet group called alt.support.diet being concerned about dieting...
>whoda thunk it?

Dieting is supposed to be about health. You anal-retentative zealot
jerks have made a religion out of it, and you're making people sick as
a result.

>For a rocket scientist, your reading skills are pretty weak.  Where exactly
>did she say she was overweight?

As I asked her, if she's not overweight, then why is she dieting?
Eating disorders come in many shapes and sizes.
Perple Gyrl - 18 Jun 2004 05:17 GMT
2 years ago she weighed 262 lbs before she started changing her eating and
exercise patterns... last time I checked, that made her overweight.  Duh...
didn't you see this at the bottom of her post?  On which planet are you
living on that 262 is a healthy weight for a 56 yr old woman who is 5'6"?
This is her signature line:

Chris
262/145/ (145-150)

Who is an anal retentive zealot?  Why the hell are you here if you don't
want to work on getting healthier...  Are you here just to put down people
that are successful in doing what you apparently can't?  I think that is by
far your stupidest statement.  I can't wait to read what comes out of you
next.

> >Gee, a usenet group called alt.support.diet being concerned about dieting...
> >whoda thunk it?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> As I asked her, if she's not overweight, then why is she dieting?
> Eating disorders come in many shapes and sizes.
JMA - 18 Jun 2004 05:45 GMT
> >Gee, a usenet group called alt.support.diet being concerned about dieting...
> >whoda thunk it?
>
> Dieting is supposed to be about health. You anal-retentative zealot
> jerks have made a religion out of it, and you're making people sick as
> a result.

I'm not sure who you are referring to, but if you want to get into name
calling bring it on moron.

Had you spent some time reading the group before making your wild-assed
assumptions with some kind of chip on your shoulder you would know that
there are as many diets and WOE here as there are people since what works
for one person doesn't always work for another.  The predominant philosophy
around here is that losing weight requires 4 steps:

1. eat less
2. exercise more
3. repeat
4. forever

When you decide to take your head out of your a.s maybe you could do some
reading and figure it out for yourself.

> >For a rocket scientist, your reading skills are pretty weak.  Where exactly
> >did she say she was overweight?
>
> As I asked her, if she's not overweight, then why is she dieting?
> Eating disorders come in many shapes and sizes.

Ummm, gee, maybe she WAS overweight, worked hard to find a way of life she
could sustain permanently that would lead to losing weight slowly and in a
way that studies have demonstrated leads to more successful maintenance, and
has just reached her goal weight?  You think we were all in some kind of
limbo until you graced us with your presence?

And please do share all of your expertise on eating disorders, rocket
scientist, because I need a laugh.
Perple Gyrl - 18 Jun 2004 05:27 GMT
> > >Gee, a usenet group called alt.support.diet being concerned about
> dieting...
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> And please do share all of your expertise on eating disorders, rocket
> scientist, because I need a laugh.

He must have all of the answers since he has apparently figured out the
secret to losing weight and getting healthier permanently!! He is just here
to help us.  We should be thankful that a man with a doctorate in
astrophysics is willing to lower himself to post to a low carb cult like us
in an effort to save us all.
Ignoramus30064 - 18 Jun 2004 05:30 GMT
> I have a doctorate in astrophysics. Granted, I'm no doctor, but we did
> cover biochemistry pretty well.

You sound a litle too loudmouthed for a doctor in astrophysics... What
part of astrophysics did you research?

>>I've been dieting for two years, working with a nutritionist.
>
> For two years? And you're still overweight?

she has a bmi of 23, which is not overweight.

>>I am 5'6", relatively large frame -- don't know BF% but am sure it's
>>fairly low.  I am a competitive weighlifter; I am the state bench
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> psychiatrist, not a nutrionist. What you are doing is by no stretch of
> the imagination considered healthy.

If she eats at a level that maintains a BMI of 23, you cannot claim
that she is starving herself.

>>I am also a menopausal 56 year old woman.  If you care to learn
>>something about all this, you will find that the nutritional needs of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> I know enough to know that after two years, and with such an active
> schedule, you cannot stay healthy on 1150 calories a day.

Living on 9 calories per pound of weight is not at all abnormal
amongst menopausal women... Try using "google".

i
Pegasus - 18 Jun 2004 05:40 GMT
>You sound a litle too loudmouthed for a doctor in astrophysics... What
>part of astrophysics did you research?

Spatial geometry.
Ignoramus4798 - 18 Jun 2004 11:41 GMT
>>You sound a litle too loudmouthed for a doctor in astrophysics... What
>>part of astrophysics did you research?
>
> Spatial geometry.

That's interesting, at least you are working on stuff that does not
seem like drudgery.

What makes you suppose that living on 9 calories per pound is
impossible? Chris has been living like this for quite a while, and
very slowly lost her weight. A slow weight loss is not unhealthy at
all, unless the person becomes underweight. (and then it may be
healthy or unhealthy).

Chris will probably maintain her weight on 10 calories per pound of
weight.

i
Perple Gyrl - 18 Jun 2004 04:55 GMT
You haven't participated in this newsgroup for very long and/or have no idea
about Chris's background to make statements like that!  I can honestly say
that she knows more about nutrition and exercise then most of us here
combined!  Sheesh... know what you are talking about before you make posts
like this!

> >Lately I've been eating on the order of 1150 calories on many of the
> >weekdays, with some higher days when I go out.  I'm going to try, for
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> I'm not here to rain on your parade, Chris. I'm just used to some
> people taking it WAAAY too far :-)
Pegasus - 18 Jun 2004 05:38 GMT
>You haven't participated in this newsgroup for very long and/or have no idea
>about Chris's background to make statements like that!  I can honestly say
>that she knows more about nutrition and exercise then most of us here
>combined!  Sheesh... know what you are talking about before you make posts
>like this!

You're right, I haven't. And I don't know her background other than
what she wrote, but it doesn't require anything more than an
elementary school biology class to tell you that what she's doing is
not healthy. You people act as if your ultimate goal in life is to
consume as few calories as people. Well here's a newsflash for ya -
you'll die. Albeit slowly.
Perple Gyrl - 18 Jun 2004 05:20 GMT
> >You haven't participated in this newsgroup for very long and/or have no idea
> >about Chris's background to make statements like that!  I can honestly say
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> consume as few calories as people. Well here's a newsflash for ya -
> you'll die. Albeit slowly.

Who said that was her ultimate goal?  Who are you including in the "you
people" statement.  Are you trying to say that everyone here except you are
unhealthily focused on consuming the fewest calories possible?  Here is a
newsflash for you:  everyone of us here is going to die someday regardless
of what they do or don't eat!  It doesn't require anything more then an
elementary school biology class to tell you that.
A Ross - 18 Jun 2004 17:38 GMT
In article
<k8s4d0ltjo8pl3qnh00l0s812d8rgsomm8@4ax.com>, Pegasus
<not@home.com> wrote:

> You're right, I haven't. And I don't know her background
> other than
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> newsflash for ya -
> you'll die. Albeit slowly

Hmmm. Another new troll. Must be all the kiddies are
out of school...

Amy (Happily maintaining on around 1400 cals a day for
over a year

168/115
Dally - 18 Jun 2004 20:57 GMT
>>You haven't participated in this newsgroup for very long and/or have no idea
>>about Chris's background to make statements like that!  I can honestly say
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> elementary school biology class to tell you that what she's doing is
> not healthy.

You picked the wrong example.  Chris is the absolute star here in terms
of healthy weight loss.  She logs her food online so we can discover
exactly what it is we need to do if we really want to lose weight.
(Hint, it's exercise more and eat less.)

> You people act as if your ultimate goal in life is to
> consume as few calories as people. Well here's a newsflash for ya -
> you'll die. Albeit slowly.

Very few of us are low-calorie dieters (they don't stick around long for
some reason) and very few of us are low-carbers (they have their own
group.)  We're more into designing our own life-style that involves
eating reasonable amounts of calories for our particular bodies and
integrating activities of our choice into our lives.

I'm curious (and optimistic) - if you didn't just come here to troll,
why are you here?  Do you want to stop being fat?  We can help you with
that if you're the sort of person who can listen and learn.  If you're
just hear to defend why you can't really lose weight then why don't you
get your whining rant out of the way and disappear.

Dally, who merely has a bachelor's in astrophysics
Dally - 18 Jun 2004 21:02 GMT
> 1300 calories a day is not a sustainable level for any human being,
> save maybe a small child, for any ammount of time. If your input does
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I'm not here to rain on your parade, Chris. I'm just used to some
> people taking it WAAAY too far :-)

Chris, I'm wondering if this idiot isn't a taste of what we have in
store for us in maintenance.  I mean, now that you're slender are people
going to give you hell for watching your diet for no obvious reason?

I suspect the answer is yes.

This brings to mind an evil thing that Mistress Krista did once.  She
was in a buffet doing a major pig-out for some reason (wedding or
something) and some lady she didn't like came up and sniffed, "skinny
people are so lucky to be able to eat like that.  I'd gain another fifty
pounds if I ate like that."  Krista replied, "oh, I can just eat and eat
and never gain a pound!"  [Note to people who don't know Krista - she
was LYING!]

People honestly don't seem to know that not being fat means not eating
too much every single day.

Dally
Chris Braun - 18 Jun 2004 21:21 GMT
>> 1300 calories a day is not a sustainable level for any human being,
>> save maybe a small child, for any ammount of time. If your input does
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>I suspect the answer is yes.

Well, fortunately, the people I hang out with in real life are nicer
than this guy :-).  I do have one friend who keeps telling me I'm too
thin, but since she's silly in general we're all used to ignoring her.
(I'd guess she weighs around 230 or so, at 5'6".  She doesn't think
she's seriously overweight, and is full of excuses about why she can't
lose weight.)

>This brings to mind an evil thing that Mistress Krista did once.  She
>was in a buffet doing a major pig-out for some reason (wedding or
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>People honestly don't seem to know that not being fat means not eating
>too much every single day.

Well, they can just watch and learn :-).

Chris
262/145/ (145-150)
JMA - 18 Jun 2004 04:17 GMT
> Well, today I weighed in at 145.  I'm not sure why I've lost weight so
> fast these last few days -- it's not what I expected to happen when I
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Chris
> 262/145/ (145-150)

Congrats Chris, the rest of your life now begins. :)  You've been a great
role model - I'm sure you'll do just fine in maintenance.  I definitely
attribute some of my most recent success to your influence.

Jenn
Perple Gyrl - 18 Jun 2004 04:44 GMT
Congrats on meeting your goal!

> Well, today I weighed in at 145.  I'm not sure why I've lost weight so
> fast these last few days -- it's not what I expected to happen when I
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> Chris
> 262/145/ (145-150)
beeswing - 18 Jun 2004 05:52 GMT
>Well, today I weighed in at 145.

Congrats, Chris!

beeswing
janice - 18 Jun 2004 06:57 GMT
Good for you Chris.  I do wonder if it's the "refeeds" that have
helped recently.  
My ideal would be to get to about 5 lbs below my goal and then have a
little space for fluctuations.  I'll be interested to hear how
maintenance goes for you - I hope you're planning to stay here awhile
and tell us.

janice

>Well, today I weighed in at 145.  I'm not sure why I've lost weight so
>fast these last few days -- it's not what I expected to happen when I
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>Chris
>262/145/ (145-150)
Chris Braun - 18 Jun 2004 11:29 GMT
>Good for you Chris.  I do wonder if it's the "refeeds" that have
>helped recently.  
>My ideal would be to get to about 5 lbs below my goal and then have a
>little space for fluctuations.  I'll be interested to hear how
>maintenance goes for you - I hope you're planning to stay here awhile
>and tell us.

Oh, I plan to be here indefinitely!  I don't view this as "finished"
in any sense -- just entering a new phase.

I wonder too about the refeeds.

Chris
262/145/ (145-150)
susanjoneslewis - 18 Jun 2004 16:20 GMT
/me scrolls thru all the Pegasus crap.... (good retorts by the way
girls, and Ig)

Rock on Chris :) you continue to inspire me!

Susan

> Well, today I weighed in at 145.  I'm not sure why I've lost weight so
> fast these last few days -- it's not what I expected to happen when I
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> Chris
> 262/145/ (145-150)
jmk - 18 Jun 2004 16:39 GMT
Congratulations!  :-)

> Well, today I weighed in at 145.  I'm not sure why I've lost weight so
> fast these last few days -- it's not what I expected to happen when I
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> Chris
> 262/145/ (145-150)

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byakee - 18 Jun 2004 17:22 GMT
Hark! I heard Chris Braun <braun_chris@mindspring.com> say:

> I don't expect there to be big changes in how I eat, but it's quite a
> different mindset somehow.  
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> Chris
> 262/145/ (145-150)

A hearty congrats to you, Chris! You're an inspiration... :-)

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Alex - 18 Jun 2004 18:59 GMT
>Well, today I weighed in at 145.  I'm not sure why I've lost weight so
>fast these last few days -- it's not what I expected to happen when I
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>Chris
>262/145/ (145-150)

Yippee! I am looking forward to hearing about your adventures in
maintenance! :-)

WTG Chris!!

Ally
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Kasey - 19 Jun 2004 00:50 GMT
Good work, Chris. You have much to be proud of.

Kasey
365/257/???
Chris Braun - 19 Jun 2004 01:16 GMT
>Good work, Chris. You have much to be proud of.
>
>Kasey
>365/257/???

Thanks -- to you, Kasey -- and to others who've replied.  Believe me,
if I can do it any of you can -- just take it a day at a time, and
remember that you're getting healthier every day.  Don't worry about
when you'll get to your goal; just focus on living your new WOL every
day.

Chris
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Angie - 19 Jun 2004 05:45 GMT
that is some good advice Chris. You have worked really hard to get to where
u are and should be proud don't let a couple of people rouin it for you. be
happy with what u have accomplished.

Angie

> >Good work, Chris. You have much to be proud of.
> >
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> 262/145/ (145-150)
SnugBear - 19 Jun 2004 02:25 GMT
> I don't expect there to be big changes in how I eat, but it's quite a
> different mindset somehow.  
>
> I'm pleased, though :-).

Congratulations on making your goal Chris.  We're all thrilled for you.

I really didn't have a slow down as I got to my own goal and then lost 5
more pounds on maintenance without even trying.  I didn't make any big
changes in how I eat, I just relaxed a little if (for example) they were
giving free samples of the fancy olive spread on crackers at the General
Store.  Naturally - I walked there and back <g>

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Chris Braun - 19 Jun 2004 02:35 GMT
>> I don't expect there to be big changes in how I eat, but it's quite a
>> different mindset somehow.  
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>giving free samples of the fancy olive spread on crackers at the General
>Store.  Naturally - I walked there and back <g>

It's nice to be able to walk useful places.  There's nothing much
around my house except our country club.  There's a 7-11 about 2.5 or
3 miles away, but that isn't a really interesting destination :-).

I actually want to avoid losing more weight (because of the lifting
stuff), so if that starts happening I will add calories to avoid it.
(Also, I'd like to stop having to buy smaller clothes :-) .)

Chris
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Perple Gyrl - 19 Jun 2004 02:41 GMT
"Chris Braun" <braun_chris@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> (Also, I'd like to stop having to buy smaller clothes :-) .)
>
> Chris
> 262/145/ (145-150)

That is one statement that I can't picture ever saying or wanting to say!!
Chris Braun - 19 Jun 2004 05:31 GMT
>"Chris Braun" <braun_chris@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> (Also, I'd like to stop having to buy smaller clothes :-) .)
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>
>That is one statement that I can't picture ever saying or wanting to say!!

Well, it gets expensive :-).  Lately I've been able to buy things with
the belief that I'll be able to wear them for a long time.  It's been
a while since I've been able to do that.

Chris
beeswing - 19 Jun 2004 05:35 GMT
> Lately I've been able to buy things with
>the belief that I'll be able to wear them for a long time.  It's been
>a while since I've been able to do that.

Isn't that *nice*...in its own way?

beeswing,
very happy to be size-stable
Angie - 19 Jun 2004 05:47 GMT
that i agree with
Angie

> "Chris Braun" <braun_chris@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> > (Also, I'd like to stop having to buy smaller clothes :-) .)
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>
> That is one statement that I can't picture ever saying or wanting to say!!
Chris Braun - 19 Jun 2004 05:56 GMT
>that i agree with
>Angie
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>>
>> That is one statement that I can't picture ever saying or wanting to say!!

Seriously, the only way to interpret what you and PG are saying is
that you believe "the thinner, the better".  Do you really?  I don't
at all.  I'd much rather hold onto my muscle -- and my nice dense
bones :-).

Chris
Perple Gyrl - 19 Jun 2004 02:48 GMT
I am a 16 now and my goal size is 12.  I guess I haven't visually seen
myself at this size and NEVER wore this size before so I can't imagine it.
I just know once I get there I will buy stores out and love every minute of
it.

"Chris Braun" <braun_chris@mindspring.com> wrote in message

> Seriously, the only way to interpret what you and PG are saying is
> that you believe "the thinner, the better".  Do you really?  I don't
> at all.  I'd much rather hold onto my muscle -- and my nice dense
> bones :-).
>
> Chris
That T Woman - 19 Jun 2004 06:54 GMT
> >that i agree with
> >Angie
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>
> Chris

I think they just like to shop 'til they drop.  They never want to stop
buying clothes once they're smaller, maybe.

Tonia
Perple Gyrl - 19 Jun 2004 01:48 GMT
Well never is a long time... but you get the drift!

"That T Woman" <ThatT@notyahoo.com> wrote in message

> I think they just like to shop 'til they drop.  They never want to stop
> buying clothes once they're smaller, maybe.
>
> Tonia
Chris Braun - 19 Jun 2004 13:29 GMT
>> >that i agree with
>> >Angie
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>
>Tonia

Good point.  Maybe I should have said, "I'd like to stop having to
throw away clothes that I've only worn a few times because they've
become too large." :-)

Chris
Dally - 19 Jun 2004 14:17 GMT
 > Good point.  Maybe I should have said, "I'd like to stop having to
> throw away clothes that I've only worn a few times because they've
> become too large." :-)

The summer clothes I bought last month are getting a bit loose.  I think
the size differences are easier to get through at these smaller sizes.
I started at size 22 and recall being a size 18 and a 16 forever, and
now I've only been in a size 14 for a few months.

I went clothes shopping with my daughter on Friday (just a quick trip
for socks and underwear) and I tried on a size 12 capri.  I could button
and zip it, but not breath at the same time.  Nope, not yet.  But what
it told me was that I ought not to get too attached to my new size 14
wardrobe.  :-(

I really want to be able to just go buy some nice clothes without
feeling like I'm only going to wear them for half of this season.

Dally
Ignoramus9812 - 19 Jun 2004 15:01 GMT
I am also beginning to phase out all my XL clothes and replacing them
with M sized clothes... The XL ones look quite ridiculous on me. I
figure, since it's been 8 months and I did maintain my weight, I can
now start buying smaller clothes. I have a clothes buying trip to
walmart planned today.

i
Chris Braun - 19 Jun 2004 15:27 GMT
>  > Good point.  Maybe I should have said, "I'd like to stop having to
>> throw away clothes that I've only worn a few times because they've
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>I started at size 22 and recall being a size 18 and a 16 forever, and
>now I've only been in a size 14 for a few months.

Absolutely.  I bought some clothes earlier in the season, and several
of the pairs of pants went into a pile to take to the tailor to be
shortened.  With one thing and another, I didn't get there when I
should have, and am heading out in a few minutes to go.  I just tried
on the pants in the pile this morning, and several pairs -- unworn --
have gone straight into the charity pile.  They're 10s that are now
too loose.  (There are also  a couple of 10s that are still more or
less okay, and that I like enough to invest in shortening.  And
there's one pair of 6s that I bought this week :-) .)  But this shift
from predominantly size 10 to predominantly size 8 has been only a 6-7
lb. weight change.

>I went clothes shopping with my daughter on Friday (just a quick trip
>for socks and underwear) and I tried on a size 12 capri.  I could button
>and zip it, but not breath at the same time.  Nope, not yet.  But what
>it told me was that I ought not to get too attached to my new size 14
>wardrobe.  :-(

This would be a good lesson to learn before you invest too much in the
14s :-).  

>I really want to be able to just go buy some nice clothes without
>feeling like I'm only going to wear them for half of this season.

Take if from someone who's btdt -- try to restrain yourself.  Or buy
things that are a little tight but wearable, and that you'll also like
when they're a little loose.

Chris (who has spent far too much on clothes these past two years!)
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SnugBear - 20 Jun 2004 03:21 GMT
Chris Braun  wrote :

> Absolutely.  I bought some clothes earlier in the season, and several
> of the pairs of pants went into a pile to take to the tailor to be
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> from predominantly size 10 to predominantly size 8 has been only a 6-7
> lb. weight change.

I found that there were fewer pounds between the smaller sizes.  I
skipped from 12 to 6 - missing 10 and 8 completely.  I wasn't buying
clothes as often as you perhaps, but there were only a couple months in
there.  Conversely, there isn't very much wiggle room in the other
direction either!

(going to pet and stroke my pile of size 4 jeans <g>)

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Chris Braun - 20 Jun 2004 03:44 GMT
>I wasn't buying clothes as often as you perhaps ...

Hardly anybody buys clothes as often as me :-).

Chris
SnugBear - 19 Jun 2004 16:29 GMT
> Good point.  Maybe I should have said, "I'd like to stop having to
> throw away clothes that I've only worn a few times because they've
> become too large." :-)

I hear ya.  My consolation is that except for a very few pieces, I got
all my transitional clothes at the 2nd hand clothes stores.  I'm getting
a lot of my current stuff there too.  Why pay full price when someone
else has already pre-shrunk it? (and I can get so much more!)  lol

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Phil M. - 19 Jun 2004 16:43 GMT
> "Chris Braun" <braun_chris@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> (Also, I'd like to stop having to buy smaller clothes :-) .)
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> That is one statement that I can't picture ever saying or wanting to
> say!!

It is fun buying new clothes for a smaller new body. However, while in the
process of losing the weight, it can become expensive. Knowing you are
still losing weight and the clothes you just bought will soon be too big. I
would just by the standard stuff to get me by every time I dropped another
20 pounds.

Phil M.

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Chris Braun - 19 Jun 2004 17:53 GMT
>> "Chris Braun" <braun_chris@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>> (Also, I'd like to stop having to buy smaller clothes :-) .)
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>
>Phil M.

Yeah, but you're a guy :-).

Chris (into recreational shopping)
Phil M. - 19 Jun 2004 19:12 GMT
>>> "Chris Braun" <braun_chris@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>>> (Also, I'd like to stop having to buy smaller clothes :-) .)
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>
> Chris (into recreational shopping)

Yeah. I think I have bought 5 pairs of khaki Dockers in the past year.
Everything from a 42" waste down to 32". The shirts last a little longer.
If I was into the "saggin 'n baggin" style, then I wouldn't have to buy
any new clothes.

I'll tell ya what's really fun is wearing my 15-year-old son's clothes.
;-)

Phil M.

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Dally - 20 Jun 2004 20:04 GMT
> I'll tell ya what's really fun is wearing my 15-year-old son's clothes.
> ;-)

My husband was sorting laundry on our bed the other day and complained
in disgust that he can't tell my clothes apart from my 13 year old
daughter's anymore.

Heh.  We're converging.

Dally
Phil M. - 19 Jun 2004 16:39 GMT
>> I don't expect there to be big changes in how I eat, but it's quite a
>> different mindset somehow.  
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> I really didn't have a slow down as I got to my own goal and then lost
> 5 more pounds on maintenance without even trying.

For me, it was hard to know what my goal should be until I got close to
it. I started out at 245 lbs. My original goal was 190 (college weight),
made that and adjusted goal to 175 (high school weight), made that and
adjusted to 165 (don't recall ever weighing that, maybe middle school).  
Now I'm maintaining. I feel comfortable with fluctuating between 163 and
168.

Phil M.

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Chris Braun - 19 Jun 2004 17:52 GMT
>>> I don't expect there to be big changes in how I eat, but it's quite a
>>> different mindset somehow.  
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>
>Phil M.

I didn't decide on a goal until about 10 lbs. ago, either.  I'd
actually started out thinking it would be good for me just to get
under 200.  Then I thought 185 would be good.  Then I sort of got
motivated by looking good as opposed to just by fitness -- as I was
pretty fit at 185 -- and kept going.  I don't want to go lower,
though, as I don't want to sacrifice any more muscle than I already
have.  I'm a comfortable size 8, and that's just fine.  

Chris
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Rainbow-Seeker - 19 Jun 2004 20:52 GMT
Congrats on reaching your goal!!!  Your numbers are truly inspiring!!!  How
long did it take you overall to reach this goal?

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> Well, today I weighed in at 145.  I'm not sure why I've lost weight so
> fast these last few days -- it's not what I expected to happen when I
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> 262/145/ (145-150)
Gloria - 19 Jun 2004 23:48 GMT
Congrats, Chris !!! You are a true inspiration !!!!!!

glo
Chris Braun - 19 Jun 2004 23:52 GMT
>Congrats on reaching your goal!!!  Your numbers are truly inspiring!!!  How
>long did it take you overall to reach this goal?

Thanks!  It took just under two years.  My two-year anniversary is
July 8.  I averaged almost exactly 5 pounds per month.  As I was
aiming for 4-6 pounds per month, this was pretty much on target :-).
I wanted to try to preserve muscle as much as possible, and to eat in
a way that would be sustainable for life (including occasional treats
and such), so didn't want to lose too rapidly.  

Chris
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Rainbow-Seeker - 20 Jun 2004 01:47 GMT
That's fantastic!  I hope to acheive the same sort of goal!

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>
> >Congrats on reaching your goal!!!  Your numbers are truly inspiring!!!  How
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Chris Braun - 20 Jun 2004 02:41 GMT
>That's fantastic!  I hope to acheive the same sort of goal!

Just take it a day at a time, and you will.  If I can do it, so can
you!

Chris
Dally - 20 Jun 2004 20:06 GMT
>>That's fantastic!  I hope to acheive the same sort of goal!
>
> Just take it a day at a time, and you will.  If I can do it, so can
> you!

Chris, honestly, this is one of the reasons I make time to read your
food journals.  The sheer honesty of what it takes to lose weight, along
with seeing your results has been so affirming as a role model... if you
can do it, so can we, indeed!

Dally
Chris Braun - 20 Jun 2004 22:03 GMT
>>>That's fantastic!  I hope to acheive the same sort of goal!
>>
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>
>Dally

Thanks, Dally!  It's nice to think that posting the journals is useful
for someone besides me :-).  It sometimes seems to me sort of
self-serving to use the newsgroup this way (as I mainly do it keep
myself honest).  If it helps anyone else, that's wonderful.

I don't really feel like it has taken sacrifice to do this.  It's more
like a job or something -- you just keep doing what you have to do.

Chris
262/144/ (145-150)  {Down a pound today at the gym -- it has
definitely been a whoosh week.  I'm not going to do anything about it
just yet.}
SnugBear - 21 Jun 2004 01:34 GMT
> I don't really feel like it has taken sacrifice to do this.  It's more
> like a job or something -- you just keep doing what you have to do.

My best friend said I lost weight like it was a job.  Most of the time it
seemed like a hobby to me.

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