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I'm off to go camping this week in a big family reunion deep in the woods at a primitive campsite. I've just realized with a startling jerk that my mainstay foods aren't going to be available to me. No microwave for my oatmeal/whey protein blend. No toaster for my bagel with lox (and I just can't eat it untoasted for some reason.) No coffee maker. (This is particularly awful as I can't function in the morning well enough to boil water without having had coffee first!) No George Foreman grill or even a gas grill, and the family isn't much for grilling food (i.e., I can't count on a cooking fire being available.) Unfortunately, I'm not going to be doing the lunch or dinner meals (they're en famille where the family likes their lard and won't let me cook because I always do stuff that isn't lardish enough.) I'm bringing a few Ready-to-Drink protein shakes, Balance bars, hard-boiled eggs, apples, peanutbutter, rye crisp crackers, almonds, instant oatmeal packets and I'll keep a bowl of leafy greens going in my cooler along with my favorite low-cal dressing. I'll try to get some chicken breasts grilled ahead of time for the cooler, too. Any other ideas? I wasn't really thinking about this vacation when I was making my summer goals. It's a good week for a forced layoff from weight-lifting (I will have just finished a session of HST to anyone who knows what that means) and I'll get some cardio hiking, boating or mountainbiking. I'm not worried about exercise. But traditionally these vacations have involved a huge amount of junk food. We basically sit around for 7 days eating s'mores and drinking beer and margaritas like sailors. (My Mom just mentioned that she is bringing an entire case of wine for those of us who don't want beer.) It's food for entertainment and it's the only show in town. How would you handle this? (I'm a mere 8 pounds over goal and had so much wanted to lose it by August!) Dally 244/177/169 > How would you handle this? (I'm a mere 8 pounds over goal and had so > much wanted to lose it by August!) One of the reasons I read this group is that I find the success stories people post to be very motivating. If that works for you read a bunch of weight loss success stories before you go. Take a magazine with such stories with you. Read one story a day. I still feel a bit weird limiting my portions at social occasions, but I have done it and was shocked that it was no big deal. I got to have fun and felt good about sticking with my plan. If worse comes to worse throw some of the worst food in a lake and blame it on a bear. You can feel good knowing that you will be helping everyone lose some fat :) Steve What I'd probably do is just eat whatever is provided, but in small portions. Then I'd take along some fruit, nutrition bars, nuts, and other healthy snacks to fill in if I get hungry between meals. Chris 262/145/ (145-150) Hark! I heard Chris Braun <braun_chris@mindspring.com> say: > What I'd probably do is just eat whatever is provided, but in small > portions. Then I'd take along some fruit, nutrition bars, nuts, and > other healthy snacks to fill in if I get hungry between meals. I'm gonna echo Chris -- we're going camping later this summer, and that's how I plan to handle it...  SignatureJ.J. in WA (Change COLD to HOT for e-mail) ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~ ..fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum! >> How would you handle this? (I'm a mere 8 pounds over goal and had so >> much wanted to lose it by August!) > > One of the reasons I read this group is that I find the success stories > people post to be very motivating. That's a great idea: I think I'll pack my Body for Life book. Might be a good time to re-read it. (Besides, my 300+ pounds father is making sounds like he might be ready to hear the secret of my magical transformation. > I still feel a bit weird limiting my portions at social occasions, but I > have done it and was shocked that it was no big deal. I usually don't bother being in restrained mode on a social occasion, I just don't have a social occasion every day! But this is a ten day vacation and that's a bit long to go wild without it affecting my goals. I suspect my normal WOE (smaller portions, healthier choices) will revert after a day or two of pure junk food. (For one thing, I'll truly be feeling lousy!) > If worse comes to worse throw some of the worst food in a lake and blame > it on a bear. > > You can feel good knowing that you will be helping everyone lose some > fat :) LOL, thanks for the idea! Dally >How would you handle this? (I'm a mere 8 pounds over goal and had so >much wanted to lose it by August!) > >Dally >244/177/169 looks like you may lose that 8 lbs while camping. Sounds like there won't be much there for you to eat! :) I coudln't do it myself .. but then I'm not the camping type :D ~Kat "The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese." > >How would you handle this? (I'm a mere 8 pounds over goal and had so > >much wanted to lose it by August!) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > ~Kat Thank you for saying that. I tell people I hate camping and they look at me like I am from Mars or something. Em > Jarkat said: >>I coudln't do it myself .. but then I'm not the camping type :D [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thank you for saying that. I tell people I hate camping and they look at me > like I am from Mars or something. The biggest problem is that one SIL isn't a camper, either. All the rest of us could catch and skin a bear with our bare teeth, practically. (Well, I exagerate. We carry penknives.) It's VERY rural, in Northern Michigan. It's our ancestral hunting grounds, as it were, but about 60 years ago the State took it over as a State Forest and put in open pit toilets. (So now they're "improved" sites.) We rig bags and tarps up to make a sun shower or swim in the river. We camp right on the river with our boats tied up to birch trees. It's a nice way for my six siblings, their wives, children and my parents to all get together... unless you're the one SIL who doesn't camp. Then it's hell on earth. Dally >> Jarkat said: >>>I coudln't do it myself .. but then I'm not the camping type :D [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > rest of us could catch and skin a bear with our bare teeth, practically. > (Well, I exagerate. We carry penknives.) you have one who is a real freak, if I remember it correctly. A real life drama queen of sorts. i > > Jarkat said: > >>I coudln't do it myself .. but then I'm not the camping type :D [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Dally Not exactly like "Escanaba in da Moonlight", then. They had a cabin in that movie and the women got to stay home! (I've been calling my DH "Jimmer" ever since I saw it the first time. "Spurst into slames!") :-) Tonia > > > Jarkat said: > > >>I coudln't do it myself .. but then I'm not the camping type :D [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Tonia Hey der, watch it now! You're starting to hit pretty close to home here ya hey. ;) Jenn >>>Jarkat said: >>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > movie and the women got to stay home! (I've been calling my DH "Jimmer" > ever since I saw it the first time. "Spurst into slames!") :-) I haven't see it. Maybe we'll rent it before we go. Dally > >>>Jarkat said: > >>> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Dally It's a great movie. I highly recommend it. I know folks here in Texas that are very much like that except for the accent. Tonia > > Jarkat said: > >>I coudln't do it myself .. but then I'm not the camping type :D [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Dally Well, that's exactly why we don't camp. I guess it's mean on my part, since DH likes to camp (and hike and all that crap), but I just won't do it, and I WILL make life a living hell for anyone that forces me to! To be fair, though, I have never forbit DH from going on his own or with others of his mindset. So I'm not a complete whining bitch, I guess. :-) Em > > > Jarkat said: > > >>I coudln't do it myself .. but then I'm not the camping type :D [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Em I am really liking this thread, since I will be going camping myself in August...:)) > > > Jarkat said: > > >>I coudln't do it myself .. but then I'm not the camping type :D [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Em I like camping. But only under certain circumstances - no bugs, a mattress to sleep on, real food (none of this dehydrated reconstituted crap out of a bag), bathrooms with hot showers nearby, etc. BF wants to take me backpacking, and I'm not up for that. He can do that with his buddies. I'll keep his spot warm in my comfy bed at home... det > > > > Jarkat said: > > > >>I coudln't do it myself .. but then I'm not the camping type :D [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > det My one and only attempt at camping was about 30 years ago. My kids wanted to do some camping on a trip to Florida. I must have been out of my mind but I agreed and bought all the necessary equipment for the trip. We practiced putting the tent up and down in our yard and even camped out one night. Our first night on the trip we camped at a campground in Georgia. The site was rocky and the only thing we did was bend the tent stakes trying to pound them in the ground. We moved to another camp site and it was the same thing. At this point we threw all the camping equipment out of the van and moved our sleeping bags into the back of the van. The camping equipment stayed in the van and we stayed in hotels for the remainder of the trip<G> I'm not even sure I would enjoy camping in an RV! I love the outdoors but want to sleep indoors. Beverly > I like camping. But only under certain circumstances - no bugs, a mattress > to sleep on, real food (none of this dehydrated reconstituted crap out of a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > det Naw, if you can't go without a park toilet, best you don't try backpacking. Save the wilderness for those of us who will really enjoy it. I love backpacking and I make the greatest dried food around. There is nothing like taking a dip in a stream and washing off (beats the sh.t out of some concrete park shower!). There is nothing like waking on a side of a mountain and no one is around you for miles and miles and miles. Or skinny dipping in a swimming hope and no one ever sees you, or relaxing at sundown/sunrise and you're the only people on the mountain. But hey, that's just me. Stick to those established campgrounds with the screaming kids, the televisions, they recreation halls, the inflatable matresses, the bug spray and whatever else that has been dragged out from the city. I like pushing myself to the brink, I don't like taking the comforts from home. Where's the challenge? If I want comfort, I'll stay at the Four Seasons. I mean really, if I wanted to replicate hotel living, I'd stay at a hotel. Martha -- I like two teams...the SF Giants and any team playing the LA Dodgers > > Dally > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Em Well, no, you sound kinda whiney. What's wrong with hiking? You probably need more exercise than you think. Get out and hike!!! Martha -- I like two teams...the SF Giants and any team playing the LA Dodgers > I'm off to go camping this week in a big family reunion deep in the > woods at a primitive campsite. [] No coffee maker. Get one of those plunger thing a ma bobs. You pour boiling water in the cup with the grinds, let it sit, plunge down the strainer and you have very good coffee (starbucks sells individual ones I think). Suar free jello works well in a cooler. You may have to resort to cold cuts like turkey breast. Mozzerella sticks. Fruit. Veggies like baby carrots. I've been enjoying a snack mix of soy nuts, honey roasted soy nuts, dry roasted edamame and some raisins (trader joe's has all the ingredients, I just put it together and it really helps stave off my appetite .... mmm-mmm). Do you think you'll have a cooking fire at all? Salmon with lemon slices, a little olive oil drizzled on top, some capers ... put on heavy duty aluminum foil, put in two or three ice cubes ....seal up package ... cook ... the ice creates a steam which poaches the salmon. Don't fall into the quagmire (I love this word, don't you) of drinking too early ... it'll make you too unmotivated to reach for the better foods and go on the longer hikes, iykwim. Have a wonderful time!! Where do you go camping? Bathrooms and showers? or not at all? Those are my only camping rules ...we took my kids (cabin camping) for the first time and they had a blast!! Teri > Dally > 244/177/169 >>I'm off to go camping this week in a big family reunion deep in the >>woods at a primitive campsite. [] > > No coffee maker. I know, horrible, eh? I can handle the open pit toilet, but this is really asking just too much. My husband has agreed to leap out of bed and boil me water each morning for instant coffee and instant oatmeal. (Believe me, it's in his best interest.) I also have caffeine tablets cut into quarters that meet my caffeine fix. Let's call a spade a spade - I've got an addiction. I need two cups a day (which I think is reasonable) and it isn't negotiable. > Suar free jello works well in a cooler. You may have to resort to cold cuts > like turkey breast. Mozzerella sticks. Fruit. Veggies like baby carrots. > I've been enjoying a snack mix of soy nuts, honey roasted soy nuts, dry > roasted edamame and some raisins (trader joe's has all the ingredients, I > just put it together and it really helps stave off my appetite .... > mmm-mmm). All great idea. So far I've packed a fair amount of canned or vaccuum-packed fish. (Shall we have kippers for breakfast?) > Do you think you'll have a cooking fire at all? Salmon with > lemon slices, a little olive oil drizzled on top, some capers ... put on > heavy duty aluminum foil, put in two or three ice cubes ....seal up package > ... cook ... the ice creates a steam which poaches the salmon. That's exactly the scenario I can't do. My brother The Camp Chef is particular about his cooking fire and my hoity-toity grilling ways don't go over well. Neither would setting up in competition with him. I think Chris's point about portion control is my only hope for lunch and dinner. > Don't fall > into the quagmire (I love this word, don't you) of drinking too early ... > it'll make you too unmotivated to reach for the better foods and go on the > longer hikes, iykwim. Good point. Maybe I'll make a rule like "no drinking before a hike/bike ride/boat ride." > Have a wonderful time!! Luckily, I will. We all love this trip. > Bathrooms and showers? or not at all? Those are my only camping rules > ...we took my kids (cabin camping) for the first time and they had a blast!! I've been camping all my life, and so have my kids. I took my youngest camping when he was only a month old. (That was the first time I've camped in a place with electricity, in a concession to comfort.) One time I broke my arm and ankle while camping and I thought it was a lovely place to be incapacitated: all I had to do was lie around the camp-fire or beach on pain meds. It really got awful when we got HOME from vacation and necessity required me to be functional. (Ever try to drive a minivan with a broken arm?) Dally Hark! I heard Dally <dally@myself.com> say: > >>I'm off to go camping this week in a big family reunion deep in the > >>woods at a primitive campsite. [] [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and boil me water each morning for instant coffee and instant oatmeal. > (Believe me, it's in his best interest.) Doesn't anyone use perculators anymore? http://tinyurl.com/3adve I don't drink coffee, myself, but DH and our camping buddies do, and I can't imagine them without their morning cup o' joe... SignatureJ.J. in WA (Change COLD to HOT for e-mail) ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~ ..fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum! > Doesn't anyone use perculators anymore? I have 5 beautiful percolators I inherited when we bought our cabin--two glass, three stainless. I love perc coffee! There's nothing like it. When we went camping over Memorial Day weekend, we took a percolator and a pour-through type of coffee maker--it's stainless with two chambers. Boil water in the bottom, coffee goes in the top. When the water boils (and it has to be HOT to work) pour it over the coffee and quickly set the bottom chamber back under the top chamber so the coffee pours through. It worked okay, but it it's pretty weak stuff. Amy > Doesn't anyone use perculators anymore? YUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why??? French presses make good coffee. Percolators are for the days when nobody cared about what their coffee tasted like. I enjoyed good coffee. Either use an individual coffee filter or a French press. Martha -- I like two teams...the SF Giants and any team playing the LA Dodgers > I know, horrible, eh? I can handle the open pit toilet, but this is > really asking just too much. My husband has agreed to leap out of bed > and boil me water each morning for instant coffee and instant oatmeal. > (Believe me, it's in his best interest.) LMAO! >> No coffee maker. > > I know, horrible, eh? I can handle the open pit toilet, but this is > really asking just too much. My husband has agreed to leap out of bed > and boil me water each morning for instant coffee and instant oatmeal. > (Believe me, it's in his best interest.) When our power was out for a week we had a small (dying) generator that we'd alternate between running the fridge and the freezer. I got special dispensation to hijack the generator long enough to make a pot of coffee each morning which I then kept warm on the woodstove. Talk about best interests? Living without power in Maine in *January* is fun for about a day and a half. Doing it without coffee? unimaginable! Not exactly trial by fire, more like my Trial by Ice. SignatureWalking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 >>> I'm off to go camping this week in a big family reunion deep in the >>> woods at a primitive campsite. [] [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > and boil me water each morning for instant coffee and instant oatmeal. > (Believe me, it's in his best interest.) Hey, get a French press (similar to http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=13634& memberId=12500226) and some pre-measured coffee things -- Millstone has them in single packs (8-10 cups premeasured, open one, dump in French press, add boiling water, wait 4 min and plunge). When we camp we use the French press and instant oatmeal. We also have Wasa cracker and peanut butter on hand. I'm right with you on the balance bars. I also bring *lots* of apples (they travel pretty well). I also normally bring some cold cuts (I tend toward Healthy Choice due to sodium content) and Dijon-style mustard and a few tomatoes and some appropriate bread-type product. I figure if I can cover breakfast and lunch with my WOE I'll be in decent shape and I can normally find something for dinner. BTW, DH tried some of that Balance Go! mix and he liked it. We are going camping again next month and I plan to include that in the stuff that we bring. Signaturejmk in NC > How would you handle this? (I'm a mere 8 pounds over goal and had so > much wanted to lose it by August!) Go to whatever you have instead of Walmart (I know you don't have it) and buy a 2 burner propane campstove. You'll be able to make oatmeal and cook nearly anything you want. You'll need a couple pans and utensils, or maybe you could borrow from the lard lovers. When are you leaving? I'm coming down the Mass Pike on Thursday and could loan you mine <s> I survived 7 days without electricity in January '98 with that stove! SignatureWalking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 Just today, I bought a two burned gasoline powered campstove. $54 at walmart. Tajes regular unleaded or "coleman fuuel". i >>How would you handle this? (I'm a mere 8 pounds over goal and had so >>much wanted to lose it by August!) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cook nearly anything you want. You'll need a couple pans and utensils, > or maybe you could borrow from the lard lovers. Thanks, we've got that. It was the grilling stuff that I worried about. When we camp without family we just put a grate on the fire and grill whatever. This family is more the dutch oven type. Or worse, the huge propane-fired deep fryer type. Sigh. > When are you leaving? I'm coming down the Mass Pike on Thursday and > could loan you mine <s> I survived 7 days without electricity in January > '98 with that stove! Before that! But thanks for the kind offer. :-) Dally, in between packing > It was the grilling stuff that I worried about. Grill pan? SignatureWalking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 Are you not going to have cooling capacity for the whole week? As a random thought, you should still have your protein shakes available. Also eggs, although for the week, I would take them raw and fresh rather than hardboiled. What I would do is, first, exercise a lot, and second, write down every morsel of food eaten, in some sort of notebook. Junk food is bad but does not mean the end of the world, if you can manage the quantity. I would also take cabbage, which is a green most likely to survive a week of storage without cooling. Cheap, nutritious, storable, tasty. i > Are you not going to have cooling capacity for the whole week? I'll have a cooler but it won't stay very cool. Not really safe enough for meat and milk will go bad quickly, but it'll be okay for cheese sticks and fruit and lettuce. There's be people making beer/milk runs during the week and we'll be able to get ice, but it's usually not worth the cost/effort. > As a random thought, you should still have your protein shakes > available. Also eggs, although for the week, I would take them raw and > fresh rather than hardboiled. My experience is that hardboiled eggs travel better. > What I would do is, first, exercise a lot, and second, write down > every morsel of food eaten, in some sort of notebook. Junk food is bad > but does not mean the end of the world, if you can manage the > quantity. Good idea to log it. I don't usually log my food but maybe this is a time to do that, just so I'm aware of how much I'm eating. > I would also take cabbage, which is a green most likely to survive a > week of storage without cooling. Cheap, nutritious, storable, tasty. It was taking things like cabbage that got me banned from cooking to begin with. :-) Dally >> Are you not going to have cooling capacity for the whole week? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > during the week and we'll be able to get ice, but it's usually not worth > the cost/effort. Oh, I see. No generator available either, I suppose. >> As a random thought, you should still have your protein shakes >> available. Also eggs, although for the week, I would take them raw and >> fresh rather than hardboiled. > > My experience is that hardboiled eggs travel better. I am surprised to hear it, but if it comes from your direct experience, I won't argue. >> What I would do is, first, exercise a lot, and second, write down >> every morsel of food eaten, in some sort of notebook. Junk food is bad [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Good idea to log it. I don't usually log my food but maybe this is a > time to do that, just so I'm aware of how much I'm eating. Yep, same here, I do not normally do it except for some periods when I need some feedback. >> I would also take cabbage, which is a green most likely to survive a >> week of storage without cooling. Cheap, nutritious, storable, tasty. > > It was taking things like cabbage that got me banned from cooking to > begin with. :-) You can eat your own... You should have a lot of credibility wrt nutrition, in your family, at this point, so, eating cabbage and such would not be so crazy looking. i >>>Are you not going to have cooling capacity for the whole week? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Oh, I see. No generator available either, I suppose. I hope not. My parents are getting pretty wimpy in their late 60's. They've got an RV now and I expect it's got a fridge, but I won't be in the same site as them and I don't see any reason to get dependent on them, particularly since they aren't early risers and the main thing I want cold is milk for early morning breakfasts. (Mom cooks "breakfast" that is ready around 11:30. My kids and I call that "lunch".) >>It was taking things like cabbage that got me banned from cooking to >>begin with. :-) > > You can eat your own... You should have a lot of credibility wrt > nutrition, in your family, at this point, so, eating cabbage and such > would not be so crazy looking. My nutritional needs are not considered credible, they're considered weird, sad, and maybe painful. Dally >> You can eat your own... You should have a lot of credibility wrt >> nutrition, in your family, at this point, so, eating cabbage and such >> would not be so crazy looking. > > My nutritional needs are not considered credible, they're considered > weird, sad, and maybe painful. ROTFLMAO... i > >>>Are you not going to have cooling capacity for the whole week? > >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Dally Unfortunately, it's the same way with my parental units too. My Dad's diabetic and my mom's got serious lung and heart problems (she's not very overweight, though.) If it's not fried, they think it's not edible. No kind of lettuce exists besides iceberg. Vegetables have to boil until they're creamy. Yuck, yuck, yuck! Tonia Ignoramus26125 <ignoramus26125@NOSPAM.26125.invalid> wrote in news:cb4el5 $tji$1@pita.alt.net: > Oh, I see. No generator available either, I suppose. Good grief! Why camp at all with that racket going on? SignatureWalking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 > > Are you not going to have cooling capacity for the whole week? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > My experience is that hardboiled eggs travel better. For camping I have an egg tray. It has the shape of an egg carton kind of, but is plastic and protects the eggs from breaking, and you don't have to worry about the egg carton dissolving in the melting ice. det > I'm off to go camping this week in a big family reunion deep in the > woods at a primitive campsite. I've just realized with a startling jerk [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Dally > 244/177/169 Before you go stock up on your OWN supplies available at any outdoors type shop or online at places like campmor.com. They have nifty bread toasters that can be set out over a campfire (or in the alternative a very small (pocket size) camp stove). There is always instant coffee (ok, I know - not the best solution), and coffee pots that can be used while camping (percolate? wow!). Also, check out their supply of dehydrated foods, which have come a long way recently and represent a way to manage your dietary intake. If you find that you get negative feed-back from your co-campers, simply tell them that you have been experiencing "digestive" problems from super-rich food and don't want to spend all your time in the latrine. Or you can claim "allergy" as the reason that you are bringing (and eating) your own damn food! You can always bring to their attention that your not eating their gorp, leaves MORE FOR THEM, which should make them happy enough to leave you alone. The margaritas part sounds awful good though. LOL. Em >>I'm off to go camping this week in a big family reunion deep in the >>woods at a primitive campsite. I've just realized with a startling jerk [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > which have come a long way recently and represent a way to manage your > dietary intake. Nice ideas. I hadn't thought of getting a toaster thing. We used to have one when I was a kid. > If you find that you get negative feed-back from your co-campers, simply > tell them that you have been experiencing "digestive" problems from [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > eating their gorp, leaves MORE FOR THEM, which should make them happy enough > to leave you alone. Well, they've noticed the part where I've lost nearly 70 pounds, so I think the gig is up on hiding that I'm dieting. :-) It's a sensitive subject: I don't want to eat separately from the family whenever I can avoid it. But thanks for the ideas. > The margaritas part sounds awful good though. LOL. We buy enough limes for this trip to keep the British Navy safe for months! (The non-margarita drinkers put them in their Corona beers.) Dally > We buy enough limes for this trip to keep the British Navy safe for > months! (The non-margarita drinkers put them in their Corona beers.) I must be strange - nothing about this is appealing. except you could squeeze a lime into your water! SignatureWalking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 I'm extremely late in this thread, but to be frank, I don't go into asd very often. But here goes.... I backpack or at least I used to quite frequently. I will do some backpacking at the end of this month in Europe and this is what I do. When I backpacked, it would be for three to 14 days through the wilderness. Whatever you carry in on your back is what you consume. Lots of stuff becomes unimportant. Diet stuff like protein shakes gets put aside. They don't matter. If I was packing for three days, I'd pack in a really good bottle of cabernet savignon. aound a $50 bottle for the first night. It was a special thing. We hike for 12 hours a day. I could exist off M&Ms and lose weight. Now, all rules change for the two week trips. It was mostly carbs, with a little protein and fat but certainly carbs were the most important, as with distance runners. No low carb stuff. You need every carb that you consume. I have a dehydrator and I dry everything from fruit leather to jerky. And this stuff tastes great. One of the things I always bring with me and will again in Europe is a one coffee cup filter. It's just a little plastic holder for the paper filter and ground coffee. I know I can get the little tank for my backpacking stove, the coffee and the filters in Germany, so I'll just bring my stove. Even when you're living off dried foods, it's nice to know I have a fresh;y brewed cup of coffee waiting for me. Martha Dally, I go camping regularly every summer - we've already had one week this year - and I always lose weight. The difference from your trip is that it's just me and DH so I don't have to fit in with any other families, which leaves me in control of things. We have no access to electric power or refrigeration, just a single burner cooker. We do a lot of walking, but we don't eat as healthily as we do at home. I have to give up my fresh vegetables as it's not practicable to cook them. What I usually to do is take lots of canned meals, plus canned peas or sweetcorn, where I know what the calorie content is. We also cook pasta with ready made sauce. I supplement this with fresh fruit and take a vitamin supplement also. We take packed lunches on our hikes, so I take wholemeal bread plus low fat cheese slices, tomatoes, fruit, etc. and a vacuum flask of coffee (instant variety). For breakfast we eat muesli with long life skimmed milk. If some of these things sound a bit alien it may be because we call them differently here. As I've said, all this works fine for me, but I don't know how I'd handle such a trip if I wasn't in control of the catering - I find handing over my food intake to someone else one of the most stressful things that can happen to me. For some reason food is a very unimportant part of trips for me, so I don't find it too hard to eat quite frugally. I sometimes think if life could be one long holiday I wouldn't have such trouble with my eating:) janice >I'm off to go camping this week in a big family reunion deep in the >woods at a primitive campsite. I've just realized with a startling jerk [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >Dally >244/177/169 > Dally, I go camping regularly every summer - we've already had one > week this year - and I always lose weight. > The difference from your trip is that it's just me and DH so I don't > have to fit in with any other families, which leaves me in control of > things. We have no access to electric power or refrigeration, just a > single burner cooker. I think the part about how we're camping is almost a smoke-screen: the real issues are making an extended visit to my parent's home. My obese parents who taught me how to look like them. It's fraught with emotional eating issues that I normally just get to skip. > We do a lot of walking, but we don't eat as healthily as we do at > home. I have to give up my fresh vegetables as it's not practicable [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If some of these things sound a bit alien it may be because we call > them differently here. We call "whole meal" "whole wheat" here, but what intrigues me is the "long life skimmed milk". What makes it long-life? I need milk for the kid's cereal in the morning and get skim because it doesn't spoil as fast (and supplement it with a bit of formula for the wee one.) The other thing that's different is tomatoes on sandwiches on hikes. Yuck! They get all smooshy and sodden. I don't find that tomatoes travel well at all. But we'll have apples and trail mix and cheese sticks. > As I've said, all this works fine for me, but I don't know how I'd > handle such a trip if I wasn't in control of the catering - I find > handing over my food intake to someone else one of the most stressful > things that can happen to me. Yes, that's where I'm at. I am truly stunned by what horrible things other people eat. Like my father-in-law taking us to a steady stream of fried food places that had NOTHING that wasn't covered in mayonaise or deep fried. I had forgotten that it wasn't possible to get a bare salad with grilled meat on it in some restaurants! > For some reason food is a very > unimportant part of trips for me, so I don't find it too hard to eat > quite frugally. I sometimes think if life could be one long holiday I > wouldn't have such trouble with my eating:) And I've got the opposite scenario. My day-to-day is quite under control, but I still get thrown for a loop by holidays. :-) Dally 244/177/169 We take packed >> lunches on our hikes, so I take wholemeal bread plus low fat cheese >> slices, tomatoes, fruit, etc. and a vacuum flask of coffee (instant [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >kid's cereal in the morning and get skim because it doesn't spoil as >fast (and supplement it with a bit of formula for the wee one.) Long life milk is readily available here in the UK (and apparently according to a quick search I did, in many other parts of the world). It is also known as UHT milk which refers to the ultra high temperatures to which it has been heated. This enables it to be stored without refrigeration for several months. It comes in full fat, semi-skimmed and skimmed varieties. Here it is sold in cartons or sometimes in plastic bottles and is found on the supermarket shelves rather than in the refrigerated display. IMO it isnt very nice to drink "neat" as it has a slightly different flavour from fresh milk, but it's fine on cereal. In this country the air is very seldom warm overnight even when we're having a heatwave, so we find our milk is usually nicely chilled at breakfast time, even if it warms up during the day. Once you've opened it, you need to treat it like fresh milk and it only keeps a few days in a fridge. We buy it in the right size of packs so that we can finish one each morning. Does this product exist in the USA? >The other thing that's different is tomatoes on sandwiches on hikes. >Yuck! They get all smooshy and sodden. I don't find that tomatoes >travel well at all. But we'll have apples and trail mix and cheese sticks. I don't put tomatoes in sandwiches either - I agree with you they make the bread soggy. I pack them separately and eat into them, or buy baby tomatoes that you can eat whole. janice It's sold as Parmalatt or Sippi (sp?) in this country. Aseptic packaging, near the Carnation canned stuff. You can buy it in 1 cup (8 oz.) packages. I believe it's 2%. Ann > We take packed > >> lunches on our hikes, so I take wholemeal bread plus low fat cheese [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > janice Today while running on the treadmill I was thinking about some of the recent discussion here about vacation eating. I thought I'd tell you about an experience I had after I started this weight-loss journey but before I started posting on asd. In October of 2002 I went to Germany for 9 days. This included a 5-day wine course, with wine tasting events throughout the day each day and all meals included. The friend I went with and I also spent a couple of days on either end of the course doing some additional touring. At the time we left I was 11 weeks into my new WOE and weighed 239; I'd lost 23 lbs. My plan was to try to eat and drink like a "normal person" -- eat what was offered but don't pig out; taste the wines but don't get drunk. Since I was still fairly new to the new WOE, I wasn't 100% confident I could get back on track when I got home, but I was pretty confident. (It did help at that point to have Tom and Ahmed knowing what I was doing -- I'd have gotten a lot of flack for giving up :-) .) Anyway, I pretty much followed this plan (though the first night we were there we went to a town wine festival and got spectacularly drunk :-) ). The breakfasts were always buffets, and I'd generally eat a couple of boiled eggs and maybe a piece of cheese or a small bowl of cereal. Lunches and dinners were good but not particularly huge or heavy -- European servings are generally more modest, and I avoided having seconds though they were usually available. I never skipped dessert if it was offered, but they were also of modest size and were often fairly light. In the 5-day wine course we sampled around 175 wines during the week, but I learned to just sip most of them (you pretty much have to, or you'd be drunk by noon). I never did any formal exercise except once when we stayed at a hotel with a gym, where I got in a weight workout. We did a fair bit more walking than I do normally, though. So, when I got home I weighed for the first time since I'd left. I was up only 2 lbs., to 241. But I got right back on plan and in one week I was down to 236! I don't really know why I lost so fast when I returned. Our nutritionist speculated that I'd been losing all along and was just up a bit in water weight after the plane trip home. Or maybe the 2-week refeed helped :-). This was, by the way, the only period in the last two years that I didn't keep up my food journal. (And perhaps I would have if I'd been posting it here.) I guess the reason I'm telling this story is just to encourage those of you who may overeat on vacation to not panic or give up. Just get back to your WOE and you'll be back on a losing track. Chris 262/144/ (145-150) > Today while running on the treadmill I was thinking about some of the > recent discussion here about vacation eating. I thought I'd tell you > about an experience I had after I started this weight-loss journey but > before I started posting on asd. <lovely vacation snipped> > I guess the reason I'm telling this story is just to encourage those > of you who may overeat on vacation to not panic or give up. Just get > back to your WOE and you'll be back on a losing track. Great post, Chris. I have had similar experiences on vacation. Without being obsessed, I eat as well as I can but in small portions. I have desserts but not every night. I exercise if I can. It took me until today to lose the 2.5 pounds I gained on vacation in May but I wasn't killing myself over it. I just cut back a little each week and walked a couple more miles each day. My clothes were always fine. If I hadn't had 3 Happy Ending sundaes, I could have hoped it might be muscle <g> This is my life now - I eat sensibly and exercise. The weight takes care of itself. SignatureWalking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 >If I hadn't had 3 Happy Ending sundaes, I could have hoped it might be >muscle <g> Ah yes -- I had one of those in Providence :-). Chris > I guess the reason I'm telling this story is just to encourage those > of you who may overeat on vacation to not panic or give up. Just get > back to your WOE and you'll be back on a losing track. The funny thing is, I've never gained weight on vacation. I guess I am so busy walking and seeing things that I don't eat as much or as frequently as I would at home. I always lose weight on vacation. Of course, I've never been on those gorge fest cruises, but they don't interest me anyway. I like to come and go as I please. I walk a lot, and I mean, loads. I'm always on the go when I travel. I'me off to Germany on the 31st. I just got my backstage pass to Wacken Open Air, which is a huge metalfest in Germany and it should be a blast. Martha -- I like two teams...the SF Giants and any team playing the LA Dodgers >> I guess the reason I'm telling this story is just to encourage those >> of you who may overeat on vacation to not panic or give up. Just get [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Martha Martha, I guess we have something in common here as I also almost never gain weight when I go away on holiday, This even applies in hotel type holidays (with the possible exception of the USA:)). When I go camping and walking I always come back weighing less than when I went. Despite my addiction to food and binge eating issues, food is very low on the list of priorities for a good trip for me. I'm often amazed how many people feel they haven't had a good time if they didn't overindulge. Perhaps it's because I'm also addicted to travel, love walking, and wherever I go in the world I just want to get out there and see everything - not waste time sitting round the table. When DH and I go walking and camping in the summer months we'd regard it as a waste of daylight time to go to a restaurant in the evening - instead we stay out walking until it's getting dark and fix a quick meal when we get back. A lot of my friends find that impossible to understand. Hope you enjoy Europe - do tell us more about it when you go. I've been all over Europe, north and south, but for some reason Germany is a country I've only visited very briefly. I must go and see more of it some day. janice > I've > been all over Europe, north and south, but for some reason Germany is > a country I've only visited very briefly. I must go and see more of > it some day. We lived in Germany for 6 years and adored it. Much different than being a tourist though. It also made me very grateful to return to my own country. SignatureWalking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 > I don't put tomatoes in sandwiches either - I agree with you they make > the bread soggy. I pack them separately and eat into them, or buy > baby tomatoes that you can eat whole. > > janice I pack whole tomatoes and bring a knife. If we are on a day hike or whatever, I will either skip the tomatoes or else slice them and put them in a seperate zip-top bag. Signaturejmk in NC I happen to have just gotten home from a 3 day camping trip... It was just me and my bf. I took along lots of fruit, and low carb pancake mix (which I happen to LOVE), protein shakes, diet yogurt and fiber one cereal. But we ate alot of typical camping junk - bacon, pasta, s'mores, etc. Basically almost everything we ate was fried. We did have a charcoal bbq too, and we did burgers as well (extra lean) I love eating that way from time to time, and we balanced it out with several long and grueling hikes at 7000 feet through snow. I am not worried in the slightest for my diet discretions over the weekend, but I will be glad to get back to "normal" tomorrow. Living without morning coffee is unthinkable to me under any conditions however! I used to take my french press with me, but now I have a campfire percolator, and I almost like the taste of the coffee from that pot than from my drip at home... det > I'm off to go camping this week in a big family reunion deep in the > woods at a primitive campsite. I've just realized with a startling jerk [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Dally > 244/177/169 > I'm off to go camping this week in a big family reunion > deep in the > woods at a primitive campsite. > How would you handle this? (I'm a mere 8 pounds over > goal and had so > much wanted to lose it by August!) > > Dally > 244/177/169 Not sure if you're already gone, but... I've spent a lot of years cooking over a camp fire, and tend to cook the same way out in the woods as I do in my kitchen--from scratch over an open flame. My first step when planning a camping trip is my handy dandy list. I decide what meals I'll be preparing and shop accordingly. I usually freeze all of my meat so when I pack it in the cooler it'll thaw slowly, and stay fresh longer. I freeze water bottles to pack around the food, and as they thaw I have nice, cold, fresh water to drink. I pack cheese, trail mix, yogurt, hardboiled eggs, tuna, and fresh fruit (apples, grapes, bananas), veggies (bagged salad, carrot sticks with dip, broccoli, grape tomatoes) and haul along a bag of salt potatoes--everybody loves salt potatoes. There's always lunchmeat, juice boxes, beer, chips, rice cakes, and s'more fixins. Breakfast is almost always eggs, meat, and toast--unless we're in a hurry to get somewhere--then it's cereal or oatmeal. I have a camp toaster that I love, and a percolator for coffee. We have a one-burner camp stove we bring along just for coffee making. I'm sure you'll have a great time--enjoy yourself and don't stress too much over food. Amy > I pack cheese, trail mix, yogurt, hardboiled eggs, > tuna, and fresh fruit (apples, grapes, bananas), [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > lunchmeat, juice boxes, beer, chips, rice cakes, and > s'more fixins. What are salt potatoes? Dally > > I pack cheese, trail mix, yogurt, hardboiled eggs, > > tuna, and fresh fruit (apples, grapes, bananas), [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dally Bag of smallish, uniform sized taters with a half pound of salt. Boil up the taters with the salt (I never use the whole bag!), drain, and drop one stick of butter over the spuds, along with some chopped chives or parsley or garlic. Yumm. I usually count two to three potoatoes per person. Leftovers make great homefries. I know it doesn't fit a lot of people's WOE, but it's a summertime staple around here, along with spiedies (that's a whole 'nother story). Amy > I know it doesn't fit a lot of people's WOE, but it's a > summertime staple around here, along with spiedies > (that's a whole 'nother story). mmmmmmmm spiedies <g> My pal is bringing me a half gallon jug of sauce this weekend. I'm getting low! SignatureWalking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 In article <Xns951049D904F10snugbearmidmainecom@130.133.1.4>, > > I know it doesn't fit a lot of people's WOE, but it's > > a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > gallon jug of sauce > this weekend. I'm getting low! I like some of the sauces, but usually make my own--no recipe, really, just start throwing a bunch of stuff together that sounds good. Olive oil, garlic, and lemon is one of our favorites to use on venison and chicken. I just started a batch this morning--they'll be ready by Thursday. Amy |
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