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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / June 2004Impasse
I'm a 19-year-old male, five-foot-ten. Five months ago I weighed about 235 lbs, but I've managed to slim down to 181 lbs by exercising and reducing calories. Only problem is, I have not lost any weight whatsoever this month. I hit 181 in mid-May and have been hovering there ever since. Anyone have any advice? I'm eating 1000-1500 cals/day and walking 4 to 6 miles a day, 5 days a week. > I'm a 19-year-old male, five-foot-ten. Five months ago I weighed about 235 > lbs, but I've managed to slim down to 181 lbs by exercising and reducing > calories. Only problem is, I have not lost any weight whatsoever this month. > I hit 181 in mid-May and have been hovering there ever since. Anyone have > any advice? I'm eating 1000-1500 cals/day and walking 4 to 6 miles a day, 5 > days a week. How did you arrive at your 1000-1500 calories per day number? I suspect that it may be wrong. i > How did you arrive at your 1000-1500 calories per day number? > > I suspect that it may be wrong. > > i I am basically a lacto-ovo-vegetarian these days. Here's what I had today, which is a pretty typical menu for me: ---Breakfast: One cup of coffee with about 2 oz of skim milk in it (21 calories) and 1 packet of Sugar Twin (1 calorie) One medium-sized apple (125) 1/2 cup All-Bran cereal (280) with a splash of milk (30?), not enough to cover all the cereal - I don't like All-Bran when it gets too mushy. ---Lunch: Half a whole-wheat pita (80) stuffed with lettuce, tomatoes & green peppers - about 1 cup of veg. in total (50?) One can of Diet Coke (1) ---Dinner: One Boca veggieburger (130) on a white-bread bun (110) with a tomato slice (15?) about 2 1/2 cups of fresh garden salad, with lettuce, tomatoes, cucumbers & carrots, no dressing (150?) Two glasses of water ---Snacks: 3 large dried prunes (69) It's now after 8PM and I calculate that I have consumed about 1,062 calories today. If I'm wrong, please tell me. I go by this chart: http://www.caloriecountercharts.com/chart1a.htm >> How did you arrive at your 1000-1500 calories per day number? >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > 1/2 cup All-Bran cereal (280) with a splash of milk (30?), not enough to > cover all the cereal - I don't like All-Bran when it gets too mushy. > Half a whole-wheat pita (80) stuffed with lettuce, tomatoes & green > peppers - about 1 cup of veg. in total (50?) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > today. If I'm wrong, please tell me. I go by this chart: > http://www.caloriecountercharts.com/chart1a.htm That's impressive! You are indeed eating very little... You are not binging once a week or anything like that? If so, then I think that you are dieting quite severely, so, I cannot say why you would stall for so long. I am sorry if you mentioned this before, but can you change you exercise routine a little bit? i > That's impressive! You are indeed eating very little... > > You are not binging once a week or anything like that? Depends on your definition of binging. There's never any fatty food around the house...but sometimes if I'm feeling stressed, I'll gorge on fruit or vegetables...I know it sounds bizarre, but I can eat upwards of half a pound of carrots at one sitting. Now that you mention it, I probably should work on getting rid of this little habit. > If so, then I think that you are dieting quite severely, so, I cannot > say why you would stall for so long. I am sorry if you mentioned this > before, but can you change you exercise routine a little bit? Well, lets see, today I did 4.5 miles on the treadmill and 6 sets each of bench-presses at 80lbs, dumbell curls, and situps. I guess I could add pushups or something, or dust off my bicycle and take it for a few spins around the neighborhood. >> That's impressive! You are indeed eating very little... >> >> You are not binging once a week or anything like that? > > Depends on your definition of binging. eating a lot of extra calories in one day. > There's never any fatty food around > the house...but sometimes if I'm feeling stressed, I'll gorge on fruit or > vegetables... how many calories? > I know it sounds bizarre, but I can eat upwards of half a pound > of carrots at one sitting. I can easily eat one pound of carrots and couple lbs of tomatoes in one sitting... I am not into carrots lately, but eat vegs by the pound eveyr day. > Now that you mention it, I probably should work > on getting rid of this little habit. It would be useful to have the calorie numbers first, before deciding. Also, this may be your body's self defense mechanism against starvation and hard to get rid of. >> If so, then I think that you are dieting quite severely, so, I cannot >> say why you would stall for so long. I am sorry if you mentioned this [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > pushups or something, or dust off my bicycle and take it for a few spins > around the neighborhood. Well, it is good to develop opposing muscles, so if you do curls, then pushups would be beneficial. i > I'm a 19-year-old male, five-foot-ten. Five months ago I weighed about 235 > lbs, but I've managed to slim down to 181 lbs by exercising and reducing > calories. Only problem is, I have not lost any weight whatsoever this month. > I hit 181 in mid-May and have been hovering there ever since. Anyone have > any advice? I'm eating 1000-1500 cals/day and walking 4 to 6 miles a day, 5 > days a week. Your caloric intake seems a little low for your weight and exercise. Many in the group recommend 10 x current weight as the amount of calories needed to lose weight. Your body may be reacting to the low amount of calories and hanging onto every ounce of body weight it can manage. You might try adding a few calories to your daily intake or do a refeed day to see if this starts the weight loss again. Beverly > Your caloric intake seems a little low for your weight and exercise. Many > in the group recommend 10 x current weight as the amount of calories needed > to lose weight. Your body may be reacting to the low amount of calories and > hanging onto every ounce of body weight it can manage. You might try adding > a few calories to your daily intake or do a refeed day to see if this starts > the weight loss again. I would like to know if there is any clinical evidence that eating less could cause slower weight loss. i > > Your caloric intake seems a little low for your weight and exercise. Many > > in the group recommend 10 x current weight as the amount of calories needed [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > i Do a search on starvation mode or refeed. Lower calories - lower metabolism - slower weight loss. You'll find many references to studies on this subject. Many in the group have seen an end to a weightloss stall after a refeed day. My leader at the WW program normally recommends eating at the high end of your points range for a couple days when a stall occurs. It's worked for many in the group, including myself. >> > Your caloric intake seems a little low for your weight and exercise. > Many [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Do a search on starvation mode or refeed. I did a medline search for starvation mode, it turned up 116 articles, none of which were relevant. A search for refeed turned up 49 articles, non eof which were relevant. > Lower calories - lower metabolism - slower weight loss. Please note that low calories also mean a higher calorie deficit. It could quite possibly be more than the amount of calories not burned due to slower metabolism. > You'll find > many references to studies on this subject. I would be greatly interested to find them. There is a lot of people and websites that talk about "refeeds", but I have not seen references to actual controlled studies. > Many in the group have seen an end to a weightloss stall after a > refeed day. My leader at the WW program normally recommends eating > at the high end of your points range for a couple days when a stall > occurs. It's worked for many in the group, including myself. Since weight loss can be delayed and occur a few days after calorie deficit, the relation of refeed and weight loss could be coincidental. Short of a controlled study, personal evidence is "interesting", but not convincing. There were quite a few dieting concepts that did not withstand scrutiny once controlled studies were done. So, I would like to see references to controlled studies and not just websites and personal testimonies. I also searched medline for "rate of weight loss calorie intake", and again this search turned up 101 articles, none relevant. I am not saying that "refeeds do not work", what I am saying is that there is not evidence towards that that I have seen, so far. i > >> > Your caloric intake seems a little low for your weight and exercise. > > Many [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > i You'll have to do your own research<g> I'll stick with what works for me and many others. Reading research papers is not my cup of tea. Beverly >> >> > Your caloric intake seems a little low for your weight and exercise. >> > Many [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > Reading research papers is not my cup of tea. Not having refeeds works for me... :) I will look around for papers on refeeds and if I find any, I will post them. My hunch is that if a study like this was done, it would find that refeeds do not speed up weight loss. Reading papers is my cup of tea, within limits. i >> Your caloric intake seems a little low for your weight and exercise. >> Many in the group recommend 10 x current weight as the amount of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I would like to know if there is any clinical evidence that eating > less could cause slower weight loss. I'm with you on this IG. A greater caloric defecit will cause increased weight loss. However, I think the main reason for increasing the calories is to increase the will to continue with a particular diet. A human can only stand so much temptation before it has to feed itself more calories. This is basic survival instinct. Limiting your calories to a very low number gives you a very narrow window in which to get all the nutrients your body needs to remain healthy. Also, if you weigh yourself every day, you will notice weight fluctuations that can't be explained by what was eaten the previous day. You have to see a trend and look at what you've been eating and what your activity level has been for the past several days. Personally, I prefer to increase the caloric defecit through exercise rather than eating less. Phil M.  Signature"Do, or do not. There is no try." -Yoda >>> Your caloric intake seems a little low for your weight and exercise. >>> Many in the group recommend 10 x current weight as the amount of [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > been eating and what your activity level has been for the past several > days. agreed. > Personally, I prefer to increase the caloric defecit through exercise > rather than eating less. Wiser words have never been spoken. For me, it is easier to add extra 200 cal via food and also add same quantity in exercise, rather than eat less and not exercise. i > Wiser words have never been spoken. For me, it is easier to add extra > 200 cal via food and also add same quantity in exercise, rather than > eat less and not exercise. You know, some people just don't like to exercise. I'm not sure why. Maybe a bad experience with a PE instructors. Phil M. Signature"Do, or do not. There is no try." -Yoda >> Wiser words have never been spoken. For me, it is easier to add extra >> 200 cal via food and also add same quantity in exercise, rather than >> eat less and not exercise. > > You know, some people just don't like to exercise. I'm not sure why. Maybe > a bad experience with a PE instructors. I do not always like to exercise either. And yet I exercise anyway. I also had "bad experience with PE instructors". i > > Wiser words have never been spoken. For me, it is easier to add extra > > 200 cal via food and also add same quantity in exercise, rather than [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Phil M. Or 20 years in the Army being forced to go on 4 am runs in the case of my DH. Not to mention the mandatory PT classes where the instructor was a petite young woman who barely broke a sweat while the "big, strong" GI Joes thought they were gonna die during the aerobic "dance" class. He still sites that as his reason for hating exercise classes! Tonia Hark! I heard "Phil M." <pmarg@charter.net> say: <snip> Uh-oh, time for a new intro line... SignatureJ.J. in WA * 275/234/1?? (COLD to HOT for e-mail) One dark day on Usenet, byakee@COLDmail.com (byakee) said: > Hark! I heard "Phil M." <pmarg@charter.net> say: > > <snip> > > Uh-oh, time for a new intro line... I meant for me, not Phil... :-) SignatureJ.J. in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~ (COLD to HOT for e-mail) "Why do my knees feel like the wanna tear up?" - Carl, ATHF One dark day on Usenet, byakee@COLDmail.com (byakee) say in news:cbdqgl $21as_006@news.zipcon.net: > One dark day on Usenet, byakee@COLDmail.com (byakee) said: >> Hark! I heard "Phil M." <pmarg@charter.net> say: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I meant for me, not Phil... :-) What? Huh? Phil M. Signature"Do, or do not. There is no try." -Yoda One dark day on Usenet, "Phil M." <pmarg@charter.net> said: > One dark day on Usenet, byakee@COLDmail.com (byakee) say in news:cbdqgl > $21as_006@news.zipcon.net: > > One dark day on Usenet, byakee@COLDmail.com (byakee) said: > >> Hark! I heard "Phil M." <pmarg@charter.net> say: > >> > Hark! I heard Ignoramus19080 <ignoramus19080@NOSPAM.19080.invalid> say > >> Uh-oh, time for a new intro line... > > > > I meant for me, not Phil... :-) > What? Huh? For the past couple of years, I've used "Hark!" as part of my attribution (see above). I noticed that you're using it now; a coincidence I'm sure, but it means it's time for me to get fresh material. No big... SignatureJ.J. in WA ~ mom, vid gamer, novice cook ~ (COLD to HOT for e-mail) "Why do my knees feel like the wanna tear up?" - Carl, ATHF >> I'm a 19-year-old male, five-foot-ten. Five months ago I weighed about 235 >> lbs, but I've managed to slim down to 181 lbs by exercising and reducing [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Beverly I'd agree with this... and sometimes adding some calories WILL start the weight loss. I'd try upping your calories to1600-1800 for a week and see what happens. Or at least eat a couple meals a week at that level. Aside from that, stalls are not abnormal when it comes to weight loss. I think they are sometimes like a body's adjustment period... and eventually, one usually does start losing again. Cynthia |
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