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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / June 2004Losing it!
Hi folks! I have lurked on this group for several months and have always enjoyed reading the posts. Like many of the people here, I have gained/regained most of my life. Losing weight has NEVER been a problem (but neither has regaining weight!) Every plan imaginable I have tried, and I have lost a lot of weight on every one: low fat, low carb, low calorie. etc. Whenever I go on a diet and include exercise, I usually average 4-5 pounds loss a week. My calorie intake is not particularly spartan--about 1400 calories daily. I am not tall guy (5' 10"), nor do I have a large frame (medium, according to the charts. I have considered the rapid loss abilty to possibly be inherited--my dad was the same way. Every time I diet and exercise I have great energy, plus I play much better (I'm a jazz tenor player). At present, I am eating vegetarian (but I eat a LOT of soy for protein). Of all the different plans, this one gives me this greatest sense of well-being: (my skin looks great!) I have been on the diet since May 15. Having said all this, my problem has always been the maintenance part. I still have a considerable way to go: I have lost 35 pounds, but still need another 71 to achieve my goal. But, I have been down this road many times, and I ALWAYS reach my goal--I just don't stay there very long. At any rate, I just wanted to say hello and to mention how much I enjoy this group! Mike McGowan 256/221/150 (goal) > Hi folks! > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > 256/221/150 (goal) Congrats on the progress so far. Is the vegetarian thing something you're willing to do forever? I found that maintaining my weight loss was very difficult, especially because I used a diet that I wasn't going to maintain the rest of my life. I should have transitioned to a more normal WOE much sooner than I did. I also have a serious hormonal problem that interferes with things (and possibly pre-disposed me to obesity), but that's being treated medically. Anyway, the best thing I can tell you from my limited experience is to make sure that the way you're eating and exercising now is a way you can reasonably sustain indefinitely. When you reach your goal, the object is to increase your eating slowly and only by enough to maintain your weight. The other keys are to jump on the situation right away if it starts getting out of hand (5-10 lbs for most people) and keep up your exercise routine. Good luck! Jenn > Mike McGowan > > 256/221/150 (goal) Your goal weight is 150? For a male, 5'7" with a medium build, isn't that a bit too low? If you've achieved that in the past, then maybe it was so hard to maintain because that just isn't a healthy weight for you... -coop > > Mike McGowan > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > bit too low? If you've achieved that in the past, then maybe it was so hard > to maintain because that just isn't a healthy weight for you... The Metropolitan Life Insurance Table for weight ranges shows a 5'7" male, medium build, to have a target range of 142-154, and that includes 5 pound for clothing. - Dewolla >> > Mike McGowan >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > - Dewolla he is 5'10", not 5'7". i > >> > Mike McGowan > >> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > he is 5'10", not 5'7". I was replying to Cooper who said, "Your goal weight is 150? For a male, 5'7" with a medium build, isn't that a bit too low?" - Dewolla > he is 5'10", not 5'7". > > i Funny, I was thinking 5'10, but 5'7 came out of my keyboard. *grin* coop > > Mike McGowan > > > > 256/221/150 (goal) > > > Your goal weight is 150? For a male, 5'7" with a medium > > build, isn't that a bit too low? I'm 5'6" and using body fat percentages my ideal range is 170-175. > > If you've achieved that in the past, then maybe it was so > > hard to maintain because that just isn't a healthy weight > > for you... If you take a human body below its ideal, it will react to reverse the situation. Picking a goal weight below your real ideal weight will set you up with an eternal need for low calorie and high hunger. That's a formula for disaster. > The Metropolitan Life Insurance Table for weight ranges > shows a 5'7" male, medium build, to have a target range of > 142-154, and that includes 5 pound for clothing. Using body fat percentages, insurance tables generally run about 10 pounds too low for almost everyone. They must have taken people's word on height and weight on forms. And their real conclusion should be something about lying on forms and objectivity not ideal weight ranges. > If you take a human body below its ideal, it will react to > reverse the situation. Picking a goal weight below your real > ideal weight will set you up with an eternal need for low > calorie and high hunger. That's a formula for disaster. and how do you find out the "real ideal" weight? i I would, first of all, suggest a weight loss goal of 170 lbs rather than 150 lbs. Much easier to maintain in the beginning. Secondly, once a fatty, always a fatty, so, to maintain weight, you always have to be on a "diet", meaning being conscious what and how much you eat and exercising. There is no magic weight loss solution that would let a formerly fat person stay slim without working on it. What are your conclusions about you not being able to maintain weight. What is it that you want to do different next time? Also, supposedly, crash dieting, which is what you are doing with your 1400 calories diet, makes it harder to maintain weight loss. Better do it slowly, since there is no hurry anyway -- you will have to be on a diet forever. i Ig, I'm afraid you may be right--once a fatty, always a fatty. Mike > I would, first of all, suggest a weight loss goal of 170 lbs rather > than 150 lbs. Much easier to maintain in the beginning. Secondly, once [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > i You seem discouraged by that. It just means that we (especially me) will never be able to eat as much and maybe some of the foods that always thin people can eat. It doesn't mean that we can't be successful at our weight loss efforts! Even so, a "small" loss can make a big difference in your overall health. Tonia 221/176/130 > Ig, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > i > You seem discouraged by that. It just means that we (especially me) will > never be able to eat as much and maybe some of the foods that always thin > people can eat. It doesn't mean that we can't be successful at our weight > loss efforts! Even so, a "small" loss can make a big difference in your > overall health. I have no direct knowledge of this, but according to others, thin people don't eat much -- they simply stop being hungry when they had enough. i temporarily slim naturally fat person 223/172/180 > Tonia > 221/176/130 [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> > >> > i I think that thin people vary as much as fat people. I've known thin people who hardly seem to ever eat and then there was a co-worker who could eat every morsel of food at a Golden Corral buffet and never gain an ounce. She was a woman in her 50s! I haven't seen her in a few years but last time I did see her, she hadn't changed and it had been over ten years since I worked with her. Tonia > I have no direct knowledge of this, but according to others, thin > people don't eat much -- they simply stop being hungry when they had [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >> > > >> > i > You seem discouraged by that. It just means that we (especially me) will > never be able to eat as much and maybe some of the foods that always thin [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > Mike Mike, the first thing I had to accept was that I'll never be one of those people that can get away with eating whatever, whenever. It isn't a fun idea to accept- but really, there could be so many worse things to have to sacrifice in this life. It isn't such a bad thing once you get in the routine of it, and experiment with cooking new foods that are healthy. Plus, it's just SO much more rewarding! I have been maintaning a pretty steady weight loss for the last 4 months. I don't have the chance to weigh myself everyday, but I'm fairly happy with the weight I'm at now, even though it isn't my goal weight. For the last two weeks I haven't lost and ounce or an inch, but I made some food choices during the week that prevented that- and I was ok with that. One night I had pizza, and to follow that up I ate about a quarter pound of chocolate (MMMM good times), and the next day I had leftover pizza for lunch. There were other things too, but I did all that in moderation. I didn't gain, but I didn't lose. The point is, you may be giving up the sweets now (especially pop) but later on down the road you can enjoy them- only in moderation. I've always been chubby. Even now I think of myself as chubby, just in a slimmer body. Kim (5'4" female, 32 yo and a medium build) 155/140/135 (but thinking about changing that to 130) 155/140/130 (aw heck why not) > Mike, the first thing I had to accept was that I'll never be one of those > people that can get away with eating whatever, whenever. It isn't a fun idea > to accept- but really, there could be so many worse things to have to > sacrifice in this life. It isn't such a bad thing once you get in the > routine of it, and experiment with cooking new foods that are healthy. Plus, > it's just SO much more rewarding! A very wise approach. I am also discouraged that I can only eat so little (seemingly to me), but, it is a price that is well worth paying. Great diet progress on your part. i 223/172/180 > I'm afraid you may be right--once a fatty, always a fatty. Simple cause and effect. When you go back to eating the way that got you fat in the first place, you will rapidly become as fat as ever again. Make cause and effect work for you not against you. You can chose to play the defeatist and gain it all back yet again, or you can stop being on a diet and start doing something you can sustain forever. Chose well. If your ultimate goal is to lose the weight, you're bound to gain it all back. If your ultimate goal is to be thin in your coffin, you have a fighting chance to keep it off. > > I'm afraid you may be right--once a fatty, always a fatty. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > gain it all back. If your ultimate goal is to be thin in > your coffin, you have a fighting chance to keep it off. That sounds kind of bad. I'm not trying to be thin in a coffin, I'm trying to be healthy so I don't need that coffin quite so soon. > Hi folks! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > one: low fat, low carb, low calorie. etc. Whenever I go on a diet and > include exercise, I usually average 4-5 pounds loss a week. WAY too fast. > My calorie > intake is not particularly spartan--about 1400 calories daily. WAY too low. What's your hurry? > I am not > tall guy (5' 10"), nor do I have a large frame (medium, according to the > charts. I have considered the rapid loss abilty to possibly be inherited--my > dad was the same way. Every time I diet and exercise I have great energy, > plus I play much better (I'm a jazz tenor player). BMI may be flawed, but a BMI of 24.0 is 167lbs for you. I'm shooting for that BMI on my regimen, since that weight was reasonably slim for me before I put on the weight. If you shoot for 167, you're almost halfway there now. > Having said all this, my problem has always been the maintenance part. I > still have a considerable way to go: I have lost 35 pounds, but still need > another 71 to achieve my goal. But, I have been down this road many times, > and I ALWAYS reach my goal--I just don't stay there very long. Sounds like you need to start working out, building muscle to burn the calories. That's what I need to start doing at least! > At any rate, I just wanted to say hello and to mention how much I enjoy this > group! you're doing good . . . 35lbs is just about where I am right now, but I'm losing at ~2lbs/week, which I've read is the maximum 'safest' rate of loss for not losing too much muscle (actually 1-3lbs/week is what I've read, but the 1000kcal/day deficit that 2lbs loss implies is good enough for me). Heywood 232/194/182 |
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