Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / June 2004
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KKG - 29 Jun 2004 15:06 GMT Hi, My name is Karen, and I am new to the group. Just wanted to introduce myself, I was doing the low carb diet until i got my results back on my cholesterol, and now i have to do the low fat low cholesterol diet. I am looking for suggested websites for recipes or ideas on how to keep the weight off . any help please. thank you
Patricia Heil - 29 Jun 2004 16:31 GMT Hi The best thing you can do is eat lots of fruit and veg.
When you cook veg, get used to steaming them. Put 2-4 ounces of water in a saucepan, get it boiling, put in the veg (cut up big things like carrots), and cook at least five minutes and preferably 10. The veg will probably change color twice and then it should be tender enough to eat. Don't cook more than ten minutes or it will change color a third time and then it's mushy. But cook more than five minutes or it will be hard to chew.
Eat the fruit raw and when you use yogurt, like with berries, use plain yogurt. NOT La Creme which has significant fat.
Cut way back on chips and fried potatoes and don't put sour cream or butter on baked potatoes. What you can do is spritz Pam on cut up red potatoes or sweet potatoes, and then sprinkle on lemon pepper, one of Mrs. Dash's fourteen varieties, or this mix which I got from Cooking Light magazine; it's an Emeril LeGasse recipe 1 tablespoon each onion powder, garlic powder, oregano, thyme, black pepper and paprika 1 to three teaspoons cayenne depending on how hot you like things.
This mix has to be refrigerated for some reason but don't worry, it's great with fish and chicken and you'll go through it pretty fast.
Soup is a great way to cook veg. When you make it, chill it overnight and then take off the white or yellow fat that has risen and hardened on the surface.
You can roast poultry with the skin on, but take it off before eating.
If you like stir fry, use no more than 1 tablespoon of oil per serving for cooking, and use a healthy oil like olive, canola, or sesame. And don't use more than 3 tablespoons of cooking oil a day -- to help with this steam veg instead of stir frying.
Don't concentrate on salads, you will get bored. When you do eat salads, use a fat free dressing.
Limit how much cheese you eat, and then make sure it's a hard cheese like cheddar or parmesan. Cheese has gobs of fat in it.
Of course, don't cut out everything with fat, especially not at the start. But if you are eating pizza and chips and fried potatoes and hot dogs and mac&cheese and chili with cheese and heavily marbled beef all the time during the week, you're not going to cut your fat.
I'm not surprised by your results from Atkins, it was what I would have expected and I know other people who had the same result.
> Hi, My name is Karen, and I am new to the group. Just wanted to introduce myself, I was doing the low carb diet until i > got my results back on my cholesterol, and now i have to do the low fat low cholesterol diet. I am looking for suggested > websites for recipes or ideas on how to keep the weight off . any help please. > thank you Ignoramus11738 - 29 Jun 2004 16:44 GMT > Hi, My name is Karen, and I am new to the group. Just wanted to > introduce myself, I was doing the low carb diet until i got my > results back on my cholesterol, and now i have to do the low fat low > cholesterol diet. I am looking for suggested websites for recipes or > ideas on how to keep the weight off . any help please. thank you That low carbing increases cholesterol is a misconception. Most of the time, it does not.
Our bodies produce our own cholesterol, at the approximately 4:1 ratio compared to the dietary cholesterol. If you have unstable blood sugars, you will have high chlesterol of the worst kind, due to that. Once you start low carbing, normally your blood sugars would improve, and so would cholesterol. Below, I will attach a study abstract to that effect.
Weight loss, as such, also improves blood lipids. Numerous people in alt.support.diet.low-carb report great improvements of blood lipids. Some, occasionally, report deterioration of blood lipids, but they are in the minority.
Can you tell us what is your weight and height, age etc and what kind of health issues you have and what are your cholesterol numbers are.
As a disclosure, I am not on a very low carb diet, I am on a calorie controlled diet (portion controlled), but I do eat lower carbs.
I eat a couple of eggs per day and my cholesterol is 175/102/56, which is not bad. That eating cholesterol is bad is an idea that is not confirmed by careful enough controlled studies.
Eating low fat and low cholesterol decreases cholesterol, mostly by reducing good cholesterol rather than bad.
i Ann Intern Med. 2004 May 18;140(10):769-77. Related Articles,Links
Comment in: Ann Intern Med. 2004 May 18;140(10):836-7. Ann Intern Med. 2004 May 18;140(10):I10. A low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet versus a low-fat diet to treat obesity and hyperlipidemia: a randomized, controlled trial.
Yancy WS Jr, Olsen MK, Guyton JR, Bakst RP, Westman EC.
Center for Health Services Research in Primary Care, Department of Veterans Affairs Medical Center, and Duke University Medical Center, Durham, North Carolina 27705, USA.
BACKGROUND: Low-carbohydrate diets remain popular despite a paucity of scientific evidence on their effectiveness. OBJECTIVE: To compare the effects of a low-carbohydrate, ketogenic diet program with those of a low-fat, low-cholesterol, reduced-calorie diet. DESIGN: Randomized, controlled trial. SETTING: Outpatient research clinic. PARTICIPANTS: 120 overweight, hyperlipidemic volunteers from the community. INTERVENTION: Low-carbohydrate diet (initially, <20 g of carbohydrate daily) plus nutritional supplementation, exercise recommendation, and group meetings, or low-fat diet (<30% energy from fat, <300 mg of cholesterol daily, and deficit of 500 to 1000 kcal/d) plus exercise recommendation and group meetings. MEASUREMENTS: Body weight, body composition, fasting serum lipid levels, and tolerability. RESULTS: A greater proportion of the low-carbohydrate diet group than the low-fat diet group completed the study (76% vs. 57%; P = 0.02). At 24 weeks, weight loss was greater in the low-carbohydrate diet group than in the low-fat diet group (mean change, -12.9% vs. -6.7%; P < 0.001). Patients in both groups lost substantially more fat mass (change, -9.4 kg with the low-carbohydrate diet vs. -4.8 kg with the low-fat diet) than fat-free mass (change, -3.3 kg vs. -2.4 kg, respectively). Compared with recipients of the low-fat diet, recipients of the low-carbohydrate diet had greater decreases in serum triglyceride levels (change, -0.84 mmol/L vs. -0.31 mmol/L [-74.2 mg/dL vs. -27.9 mg/dL]; P = 0.004) and greater increases in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels (0.14 mmol/L vs. -0.04 mmol/L [5.5 mg/dL vs. -1.6 mg/dL]; P < 0.001). Changes in low-density lipoprotein cholesterol level did not differ statistically (0.04 mmol/L [1.6 mg/dL] with the low-carbohydrate diet and -0.19 mmol/L [-7.4 mg/dL] with the low-fat diet; P = 0.2). Minor adverse effects were more frequent in the low-carbohydrate diet group. LIMITATIONS: We could not definitively distinguish effects of the low-carbohydrate diet and those of the nutritional supplements provided only to that group. In addition, participants were healthy and were followed for only 24 weeks. These factors limit the generalizability of the study results. CONCLUSIONS: Compared with a low-fat diet, a low-carbohydrate diet program had better participant retention and greater weight loss. During active weight loss, serum triglyceride levels decreased more and high-density lipoprotein cholesterol level increased more with the low-carbohydrate diet than with the low-fat diet.
jamie - 29 Jun 2004 22:47 GMT > Hi, My name is Karen, and I am new to the group. Just wanted to introduce myself, I was doing the low carb diet until i > got my results back on my cholesterol, and now i have to do the low fat low cholesterol diet. I am looking for suggested > websites for recipes or ideas on how to keep the weight off . any help please. > thank you I never had a weight problem until I was directed to go on a low-fat diet for my hereditary high cholesterol.
I did it for five years. All that happened was that my HDL (good cholesterol) dropped from a healthy 60 to 15, my LDL went from about 150 to almost 300, and I gained 45 pounds in 5 years.
On low carb, I was able to lose the weight, my HDL went back up, and my LDL went back to where it was in the first place, which, while not the numbers the doctors want to see, is a lot better than what it did on low-fat.
From what I've read, high cholesterol levels alone, without other risk factors for heart disease, are not a health risk for women until after menopause.
Another disturbing fact is that all the ads for cholesterol-lowering drugs that I've seen have the disclaimer "has not been shown to reduce the risk of heart attack or coronary heart disease". If all they do is artificially lower the numbers to make them more pleasing to the doctor, but don't lower your health risks, just what is the point of risking liver damage by taking them?
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JMA - 29 Jun 2004 23:25 GMT > > Hi, My name is Karen, and I am new to the group. Just wanted to introduce myself, I was doing the low carb diet until i > > got my results back on my cholesterol, and now i have to do the low fat low cholesterol diet. I am looking for suggested [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > doctor, but don't lower your health risks, just what is the point of > risking liver damage by taking them? To increase the profits of those struggling pharmaceutical companies?
Doug Freyburger - 30 Jun 2004 23:00 GMT > I was doing the low carb diet until i got my results back > on my cholesterol, and now i have to do the low fat low > cholesterol diet. Were you low carbing the standard 6+ months before the test? If not be sure you understand that about 80% of people see cholesterol improvements on low carb, but it takes 6 months. Test earlier and you aren't seeing what your results will be you're seeing noise.
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