>>Bwah ha ha ha ha.
>
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> It was a simple question.
> Here's the question:
You are right... you are a smart a.s. I know what my question was.
> Now here's why it's funny. Diets aren't something you do for 4 or 5
> days, and the results are measurable only over great periods of time.
> Some of us only weigh in once a month, some weigh in once a week... but
> discussing a 4 or 5 day "plateau" is a joke. Talk to us when you've
> been plateaued for four or five weeks. Or four or five months.
You've made an error in assuming I thought a diet was something you do
for 4 or 5 days. I guess I can see how you thought that because I
gave you very little to answer on. However, the truth is, "I" am not
the one that needed to loose weight, nor is this something "we" are
going to do 4 or 5 days. My wife struggles with weight and to
support her, I am doing the same meals - with her - daily. I'm
committed to stick it through with her - for life (married 23 years
already). I'm 6-2, have a 48 inch chest and wear 34" pants. I grew
up a farm boy and was lucky enough to have the "V" chest from the hard
work of my childhood. I don't have my 6pack anymore, but good eating
is important to me and supporting my wife is even higher on the list.
I won't get that 6pack back without lots of sweat, but that is ok.
This is for her.
My wife sees me eat and eat, and then sweat it off again. She works
hard to keep it off and gets mentally discourage seeing me not gain
when she does. The SB diet looks like some good eating, moderate
weight loss, healthy, and already shows good improvement for my wife.
It's also fun to prepare the meals together and just spend good fun
time together in the kitchen away from the kids. She's looking much
better every day and I want to help her stay on it.
The question I presented to "you" (since you are the smart a.s that
answered) was just something I posted "with" my wife together at the
computer to help her not get discouraged with any "hesitation" in
weight loss. I told her no one replied with anything worth while
because your reply was so sarcastic that it would have discouraged
her. She has not seen this thread since the first post.
> I've managed to maintain a weight loss steadily at a rate of about five
> pounds a month for the first 8 months, then it has leveled off gradually
> to about 2 pounds a month and now it's more like 1 pound a month as I
> get closer and closer to eating at a maintenance calorie level.
The second half of your paragraph is what I was looking for. We both
realize this is not only a "long term" commitment; it's a way of life.
I was looking to show my wife that it is a slow progress and don't
give up. But here is what happened. (Days are spread by "," and are
deltas each day.)
me: -9,-10, -4, -1, +1, -1, +2, -1, +1, -2 and so on.
her: -6, -4, -2, +4, -1, +1, -2, +1, -1 and so on.
She looks at those numbers and thinks it's stopped working. I argue
differently and work to encourage her to march on. I weighed 242 on
7/3. I weight 217 right now and really am not interested in losing
much more. my wife is 5-4 and weighed 165. Scaling her weight to
mine, she basically lost the same amount as me, on the same slope.
But then she leveled off - as I did. I'm a math wiz so I put hers and
my weight on a graph and statistically showed her and I going through
the same curve. I'm able to show her that she is still losing weight
even if only a fraction of a pound. It keeps her going. The only
reason I put the graph together was because she kept bringing up this
"fear" the "guys loose faster than gals" thing. Though that may be
true in part, some of it is due to the fact that I weight dang near
100lbs more than her from the start. Of course I'm going to loose
more "pounds" than her. It is a tool to help her forget about that
difference. On the graph, we both look the same because I change our
weights with a ratio.
> But water weight fluctuations, time of the month, salt intake, time of
> the day, whether you're holding onto a BM... all these things relate to
> how much you weigh on any given day.
Yeah, I know. We weight our selves at exactly the same time, same way
every day. Daily is way too often, I know, but if I lose even one
pound a day, I will be a little boy by the end of August. My wife
will be a little girl by the end of September. Won't do much good to
weight monthly.. would it?
> I'm a smart-a.s, that's why. (Didn't you figure that out, though?)
Very obvious. I'm glad I read your reply without my wife present.
You would have hurt her. She's never seen the new groups or forums,
and would have taken your reply quite personal. At the time I read
it... you were the only one that replied.
> This group IS filled with people like me: people who decided to lose
> weight, figured out how to do it and changed their lives in the process.
> I've lost nearly 70 pounds and gone from obese to fit. There are a
> dozen other regulars like me in this group.
Congratulations on your win. You probably wouldn't believe me now,
but I really am happy for you. Unfortunately though, your success has
made you forget what it is like for those who still stuggle. You seem
quiet insensitive with your "smart-ass-ness". I'm glad to see others
in this group are not so proud. I'm going to give you the benefit of
doubt that you just happend to get sarcastic with me and are probably
not that way with everyone all the time? (no need to answer... I'm
not coming back here.)
> You can stay and learn or you can flounce off in a huff. They're happy
> to take new members in alt.support.fat-acceptance if you choose to give
> up on fat-loss.
How bout I do neither. How bout I just leave quietly. I would like
to say I will find another way to support my wife without the likes of
you, but that would be uncalled for. I can see you aren't a total
dink as you have turned back into a nicer person at the end of your
post. I see you have posted some links. Thanks. "We" will read
them together.
> YOU do all the work. The diet just sits there.
My thoughts exactly.
Dally - 14 Jul 2004 15:26 GMT
>>Here's the question:
>
> My wife struggles with weight and to
> support her, I am doing the same meals - with her - daily. I'm
> committed to stick it through with her - for life (married 23 years
> already).
I appreciate your intentions, and I also appreciate your protectiveness
about your wife's feelings, but I respectfully submit that you're
missing a significant piece of the puzzle.
> I told her no one replied with anything worth while
> because your reply was so sarcastic that it would have discouraged
> her. She has not seen this thread since the first post.
> Very obvious. I'm glad I read your reply without my wife present.
> You would have hurt her. She's never seen the new groups or forums,
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>> I've lost nearly 70 pounds and gone from obese to fit. There are a
>>dozen other regulars like me in this group.
> Congratulations on your win. You probably wouldn't believe me now,
> but I really am happy for you. Unfortunately though, your success has
> made you forget what it is like for those who still stuggle. You seem
> quiet insensitive with your "smart-ass-ness".
You see (well, you don't, but that's okay) we know that the only people
we can help are the ones who are self-aware. Who can look at themselves
and SEE what they're doing wrong if someone points it out. Who can
choose to change because they WANT to change.
The defensive ones, the ones whining 'It's not working, so I may as
well quit' and the ones who flounce off in a huff because we're just too
damn mean, well, THEY FAIL.
Sorry.
Tell her to come back when she's ready and we'll help her do this.
Really. But not if she can't stand criticism of the things that are
setting her up for failure.
By the way, comparing yourself daily to a 6'2" man is one of the things
she's doing to set herself up for failure. What, you don't think any of
us are married? We know this scenario.
> I'm glad to see others
> in this group are not so proud. I'm going to give you the benefit of
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> post. I see you have posted some links. Thanks. "We" will read
> them together.
I tend to be more of a kick-in-the-pants person. Other people have
other styles. She'll get a mix of ideas and motivation and some will be
hard to hear and some will be hard to implement... but it is what it
takes to change.
I've never yet heard of a woman losing weight because her husband
coached her into it. I have heard, however, of quite a lot of women
divorcing their husbands because they couldn't love them the way they
were. I don't know where you fall in that spectrum (and I don't care to
know) but I think it's worth mentioning that we can't help her THROUGH
you, she has to come here herself.
And if she won't come, and she won't diet... well my advice to you is to
love her for what she's good at and forgive her for where she's not perfect.
Dally
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Ignoramus15378 - 14 Jul 2004 15:37 GMT
> I've never yet heard of a woman losing weight because her husband
> coached her into it. I have heard, however, of quite a lot of women
> divorcing their husbands because they couldn't love them the way they
> were. I don't know where you fall in that spectrum (and I don't care to
> know) but I think it's worth mentioning that we can't help her THROUGH
> you, she has to come here herself.
I was actually able to give my wife some influence to lose weight.
I never told her that I was not attracted to her when she was fat,
because, frankly, I do not mind mildly fat women at all, and as far as
I was concerned, she looked good.
I did however, tell her that it is dangerous for her to be overweight,
due to health concerns in her family history. Plus, she saw me lose
weight, so weight loss did not seem that impossible.
She lost weight with zero exercise, and eating junk food and sweets,
just less. She is now very happy to fit into her clothes etc etc. Now,
getting her to exercise is more difficult, but, she needs it due to
certain possible risks stemming from her family health history.
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byakee - 14 Jul 2004 17:56 GMT
One dark day on Usenet, chizel4@aol.com (Chizel) said:
<snip>
> The question I presented to "you" (since you are the smart a.s that
> answered) was just something I posted "with" my wife together at the
> computer to help her not get discouraged with any "hesitation" in
> weight loss. I told her no one replied with anything worth while
> because your reply was so sarcastic that it would have discouraged
> her. She has not seen this thread since the first post.
Anyone that easily discouraged can't want to lose weight very badly.
<snip>
Obviously the OP didn't bother to lurk before posting. I'm all for
encouraging people, but one must have some internal fortitude to
take on weight loss and maintenance. The "support" in ASD doesn't
mean hand holding -- it means honest, sometimes tough, answers. Of
course it helps if you phrase the question clearly to begin with...

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