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Slim-Fast Alternatives (support Freedom of Speech)
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SlimFastSucks - 15 Jul 2004 01:23 GMT Slim-Fast is not only a terrible way to control one's weight, now the company has revealed itself to be just another anti-freedom-of-speech corporation. Slim-Fast has fired comedian Whoopi Goldberg for speaking out against George W. Bush. Bravo Whoopi!
Support the First Amendment, and stop supporting Slim-Fast. Far better alternatives can be found at http://www.slimstore.com/ (and many other sites).
Note that Slim-Fast products contain aspartame, which inside the gastrointestinal tract, especially in the stomach, is broken down into its constituent components. In some instances the dipeptide is lysed within the cells of the gut. Within the tissues, substantial amounts of methanol's two metabolic breakdown products (formaldehyde and formic acid) have been shown to accumulate in many tissues. Formaldehyde and formic acid are extremely toxic to tissues in very small amounts.
John Hanson - 15 Jul 2004 03:37 GMT >Slim-Fast is not only a terrible way to control one's weight, now the >company has revealed itself to be just another anti-freedom-of-speech >corporation. Slim-Fast has fired comedian Whoopi Goldberg for speaking >out against George W. Bush. Bravo Whoopi! Way to go Slim-Fast. I suppose I had better buy some of their products now. Thanks for pointing this out!
Hank - 17 Jul 2004 12:59 GMT > >Slim-Fast is not only a terrible way to control one's weight, now the > >company has revealed itself to be just another anti-freedom-of-speech > >corporation. Slim-Fast has fired comedian Whoopi Goldberg for speaking > >out against George W. Bush. Bravo Whoopi!
> Way to go Slim-Fast. Another anti-freedom terrorist spews his ignorance and hatred for America.....
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http://www.911forthetruth.com/united_states_district_court.htm http://www.hermes-press.com/ http://globalresearch.ca/ http://www.wsws.org/
Dick Cheney: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." August 26, 2002.
Ari Fleischer: "We know for a fact that there are weapons there." January 9, 2003.
Colin Powell: "We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more." February 5, 2003.
Donald Rumsfeld: "We know where they are," about these weapons. "They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad." March 30, 2003.
George W. Bush: "We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons." February 8, 2003.
George W. Bush: "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." March 17, 2003.
"I think this is the worst government the US has ever had in its more than 200 years of history. It has engaged in extraordinarily irresponsible policies not only in foreign policy and economics but also in social and environmental policy.....This is not normal government policy. Now is the time for people to engage in civil disobedience. I think it's time to protest - as much as possible....What we have here is a form of looting." - George A. Akerlof, 2001 Nobel prize laureate economist
"One of the things we don't want to do is destroy the infrastructure in Iraq because in a few days we're going to own that country," - Tom Brokaw
Cost of probing Bill Clinton's sex life: $65 million. Cost of probing the Columbia shuttle disaster: $50 million. Funds assigned to independent Sept. 11 panel: $3 million.
http://www.commondreams.org/ http://www.truthout.org/ http://counterpunch.org/ http://responsiblewealth.org/
"After all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." -- Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, Nazi Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"You know, when bu$h said that he's against nation building, I didn't realize that he meant only the United States" -- Al Franken
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...
"Personally, I don't think all the Iraqis on earth are worth even a single American life." - A usenet rabid right wing extremist terrorist.
The artist formerly known as... - 17 Jul 2004 16:45 GMT > > >Slim-Fast is not only a terrible way to control one's weight, now the > > >company has revealed itself to be just another anti-freedom-of-speech [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Another anti-freedom terrorist spews his ignorance > and hatred for America..... that's not anti-freedom at all.
whoopi goldberg has complete freedom to espouse her views and to compare bush to female genitalia
however, slim-fast, who hires whoopi as a SPOKESPERSON, iow a representative of their company has every right not to hire (or to fire) a public representative of their company based on perception that her image/statements will hurt their bottom line
THAT is part of freedom as well
if a slim fast rep had openly marched in a KKK rally, espoused racial hatred, etc. would you be decrying slimfast for their decision?
of course not. it's a content based analysis
the reality is that with some exceptions (like civil service public employees), these are responsible and legal BUSINESS decisions.
certainly, a company can decide to fire a person who presents a public face of their company, based on this person's public statements. this has ALWAYS been true. look at lynn redgrave for pete's sake
whit
Proton Soup - 15 Jul 2004 03:45 GMT >Slim-Fast is not only a terrible way to control one's weight, now the >company has revealed itself to be just another anti-freedom-of-speech [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Formaldehyde and formic acid are extremely toxic to tissues in very >small amounts. Slim Fast is part of Unilever, so there's plenty of ways you can show your support, e.g. Bertolli Olive Oil.
http://www.unilever.com/brands/
----------- Proton Soup
"Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum."
Auntie Em - 15 Jul 2004 04:20 GMT > >Slim-Fast is not only a terrible way to control one's weight, now the > >company has revealed itself to be just another anti-freedom-of-speech [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > http://www.unilever.com/brands/ I could never stomach that gunk anyway. When are they going to start making instant shakes that taste like potatoes anyway?
Em
Dally - 15 Jul 2004 05:00 GMT > I could never stomach that gunk anyway. When are they going to start making > instant shakes that taste like potatoes anyway? > > Em Mind your cross-posting, Em, I'm pretty sure you don't post in all those groups. I trimmed it down to alt.support.diet.
The answer to your question is Myoplex Lite. I really like the Cappacino Ice, but I love all the flavors (except Orange, which my children like, and Chocolate Fudge, which is a sad parody of chocolate.)
I buy it at www.vitaglo.com and usually get two boxes plus some vitamin or another and get free shipping.
Dally
geoff - 15 Jul 2004 13:26 GMT You will notice on the side of slim-fast, boost, etc., it says the product can be used for weight loss. With Myoplex and others, it says, do not use for weight loss, and these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. I finally found the real reason, I think. To get a product FDA approved costs a lot of money, and many double blind, placebo controlled studies. Supplements companies do not want to take that time and effort to get a product approved.
re: vitaglo
I have returned some boxes of Myoplex because the taste was really bad. So, I stopped using them for a while and have been buying locally.
re: Supplements
I watched senate testimony by several people about steroid use and teens. The doctor who testified said that a coach will sometimes tell a student to add 20 lbs. of muscle during the summer break. The point made several times over during the testimony was, there is no way one can add 20 lbs. of muscle in 3 months unless they are juicing or lying (said they did but didn't, lol). This applies to both children and adults.
Right after hearing that, I looked at the 'body for life' web page and saw this person claiming to add 18 lbs. of lean mass in 12 weeks:
http://www.bodyforlife.com/success_stories/timothy_leaman.shtml
Lean mass is everything but fat, so maybe his teeth got heavier or something, lol.
-g
geoff - 16 Jul 2004 12:45 GMT Nothing like political debate in a diet group, lol. I thought being conservative had to do with traditional values and institutions. When did trashing people and/or companies enter into the conservative movement?
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Crafting Mom - 15 Jul 2004 10:56 GMT M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-July 15, 2004 - 15 Jul 2004 14:03 GMT > Slim-Fast is not only a terrible way to control one's weight, now the > company has revealed itself to be just another anti-freedom-of-speech [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Formaldehyde and formic acid are extremely toxic to tissues in very > small amounts. Does your liquid spam make people lie like you do?
Wolfbrother - 18 Jul 2004 01:32 GMT > Slim-Fast is not only a terrible way to control one's weight, now the > company has revealed itself to be just another anti-freedom-of-speech [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Formaldehyde and formic acid are extremely toxic to tissues in very > small amounts. Here is an idea: How about you do not buy slimfast because it is GARBAGE. It is nothing but processed fake food that is anything but good for you.
John M. Williams - 18 Jul 2004 04:28 GMT >> Slim-Fast is not only a terrible way to control one's weight, now the >> company has revealed itself to be just another anti-freedom-of-speech [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> Formaldehyde and formic acid are extremely toxic to tissues in very >> small amounts. [a] SlimFast is bullshit. [b] Your junk science is bullshit.* [c] Whoopi Goldberg is bullshit.
Treat all three accordingly.
>Here is an idea: How about you do not buy slimfast because it is >GARBAGE. Well, yes.
>It is nothing but processed fake food that is anything but >good for you. Uh-huh. "Dude, it's, like, processed 'n' stuff, and like, not natural, y'know, so it's, like, bad for ya." How scientific.
* "It is suggested that aspartame at abuse doses is harmless to humans." Oyama Y, Sakai H, Arata T, Okano Y, Akaike N, Sakai K, Noda K. Cytotoxic effects of methanol, formaldehyde, and formate on dissociated rat thymocytes: a possibility of aspartame toxicity. Cell Biol Toxicol. 2002;18(1):43-50. "The results suggest that 24-h incubation with formaldehyde at 100 µM or more induces apoptosis in rat thymocytes.
In adult human subjects administered abusive doses of aspartame (150 200 mg/kg), the blood methanol concentration exceeded 2 mg/dL, and methanol was detected in the blood at 8 h after administration.
At present, there is no evidence for aspartame ingestion increasing blood formaldehyde concentration to 100 µM or more." Nakao H, Umebayashi C, Nakata M, Nishizaki Y, Noda K, Okano Y, Oyama Y. Formaldehyde-induced shrinkage of rat thymocytes. J Pharmacol Sci. 2003 Jan;91(1):83-6.
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