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Paul - 18 Jul 2004 22:55 GMT
Hello all,

I went to the gym for an hour a day over the last six days and according to
the eliptical machine equipment I burned approximately 6700 calories over
the week.  I'm going to try to get back on track with excellent eating
habits.  I've been eating well lately but seem to splurge a bit at work
sometimes and on the weekends with my family.  I do believe I can turn this
around and continue to get closer to my goal.

Today my wife, son, and I took my daughter to summer camp for a week.  We
had IHOP for breakfast and I had a Beltbuster from DQ for lunch.  It sure
was good, but it's time to get serious again...lol.

Good luck to all,

Paul
300/184/175
Ignoramus20716 - 19 Jul 2004 02:04 GMT
> Hello all,
>
> I went to the gym for an hour a day over the last six days and according to
> the eliptical machine equipment I burned approximately 6700 calories over

This means that you were burning 1100 calories per hour, a very high
number. You must be in excellent cardiovascular shape.

Good job, anyway, 184 is better than 300.

i
Heywood Mogroot - 19 Jul 2004 04:15 GMT
> Hello all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> sometimes and on the weekends with my family.  I do believe I can turn this
> around and continue to get closer to my goal.

I'm almost of the (uneducated) opinion that it's *not* good to
exercise that much, especially for something as useless as elliptical
training (what, you expecting the need to stamp on a massive army of
bugs in the future?).

Famine mode works both ways, either through undereating over
overexertion. I agree with other people that time in the gym is better
spent building muscle mass.
Beverly - 19 Jul 2004 13:15 GMT
> > Hello all,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> training (what, you expecting the need to stamp on a massive army of
> bugs in the future?).

Your 'uneducated' opinion certainly differs from most recommendations of the
elliptical trainer.  It's a great workout for those who can't run, etc.  In
case you've forgotten, Paul suffered some severe injuries and has to tailor
his workouts to accomodate the injuries.  In my 'uneducated opinion', any
type of exercise is good.

Beverly

A couple websites on the benefits of elliptical trainers.  Just do a search
on 'elliptical trainer benefits'.

http://www.benefit-physical-fitness.com/ellipticaltrainers.html

http://www.exercise-fitness-equipment.com/benefits-of-elliptical-trainers.htm

> Famine mode works both ways, either through undereating over
> overexertion. I agree with other people that time in the gym is better
> spent building muscle mass.
Heywood Mogroot - 19 Jul 2004 23:13 GMT
> > "Paul" <paulftw@charter.net> wrote in message
>  news:<10fls9b9eaaug79@corp.supernews.com>...
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Your 'uneducated' opinion certainly differs from most recommendations of the
> elliptical trainer.  It's a great workout for those who can't run, etc.

I guess it has crossover benefits for biking too. And the cardio is
good for all-around fitness.
I just cry at people who waste their time in a gym when they could be
out on the road . . .

then again to each his own

> case you've forgotten, Paul suffered some severe injuries and has to tailor
> his workouts to accomodate the injuries.  In my 'uneducated opinion', any
> type of exercise is good.

yes, but I think it is possible to overdo it. I try not to have gym or
exercise time in general be a compensation for over-eating, but just
for muscular fitness. 6hrs/week isn't too much I guess, but it's
getting close!

then again I could be entirely wrong and it is good for the body to
burn 1000 kcal/day on strenuous exercise and eat more to refeed --
prolly result in a higher BMR...
Chris Braun - 21 Jul 2004 03:56 GMT
>yes, but I think it is possible to overdo it. I try not to have gym or
>exercise time in general be a compensation for over-eating, but just
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>burn 1000 kcal/day on strenuous exercise and eat more to refeed --
>prolly result in a higher BMR...

I sort of favor the more exercise, more food approach.  This is partly
because I want to build strength (since I compete in weightlifting)
and partly because I think our bodies were meant to be used more than
most of us use them, and that more exercise -- up to some point,
anyway -- is good for them.  I don't know just where that point is,
and I'm sure it's different for different people.  Surely, though, 6
hours of physical activity a week is not a lot, if most of the rest of
one's time is spent at a desk, driving a car, and relaxing at home.
Many of us have lifestyles that do not offer a lot of opportunities to
be active, so we go to the gym instead.  (I wonder if we have anyone
here on asd who earns his/her living performing physical labor.  I
expect fewer such folks have problems with overweight.)

It seems you're rather putting a negative slant on things to suggest
that "more exercise, more food" is compensating for overeating with
exercise.  That's not necessarily any more accurate than saying that
it's compensating for overexercising with food.  It's just that the
two things need to be in the right balance.  

In the whole course of losing 117 lbs. (well, 119 at the moment, but I
want to gain a couple of pounds back) over 2 years, I've never viewed
exercise as some sort of justification or penance for overeating, nor
even as a way of burning calories.  I just view it as part of my
overall commitment to a healthy and fit lifestyle.  I did a lot of
weightlifting long before I ever undertook the weightloss journey.
Now I'm doing a reasonable amount of cardio, but it's because I'm
enjoying the challenge of trying to turn myself into a bit of a
runner, and seeing what level of cardio fitness I can achieve.  And
I'm taking long lunchtime walks because it seems to be good for my
soul to get out into the outdoors and away from the office for a
while.  (And it's good for my friend Ted, who walks with me and needs
the exercise :-) .)

Chris
262/143/ (145-150)
jmk - 21 Jul 2004 13:09 GMT
> Surely, though, 6
> hours of physical activity a week is not a lot

Good point Chris!  As we evolved, I'm certain that more than 6 hours a
week of exercise was done.  The whole sedentary lifestyle thing is
relatively new.

> In the whole course of losing 117 lbs. (well, 119 at the moment, but I
> want to gain a couple of pounds back) over 2 years, I've never viewed
> exercise as some sort of justification or penance for overeating, nor
> even as a way of burning calories.  

Again, I agree with your sentiments.  For me this is all about a way of
life -- eat better, exercise more, be more of the person that I want to
be...

> I just view it as part of my
> overall commitment to a healthy and fit lifestyle.  

Thanks for the thoughtful post!

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Ignoramus15501 - 21 Jul 2004 13:58 GMT
> I sort of favor the more exercise, more food approach.  This is partly
> because I want to build strength (since I compete in weightlifting)
> and partly because I think our bodies were meant to be used more than

I also like the fact that I can afford to eat more with
exercise. I think that there is a continuum, on one side there is no
exercising, on the other, gross overeating and insane exercising. The
optimum lies in the middle, as usual.

i
Beverly - 19 Jul 2004 13:25 GMT
> Hello all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Paul
> 300/184/175

Congrats on getting back on track.  I know how easy it is to slip back into
old habits and ignore the healthy ones.

Beverly
Ignoramus19260 - 19 Jul 2004 15:12 GMT
A formerly fat person can never expect to be able to effortlessly
maintain weight loss. Unfounded optimism is not helpful either.

i
SnugBear - 21 Jul 2004 01:25 GMT
> Unfounded optimism is not helpful either.

Life is *way* too short to wallow in gloom and doom.

The sun'll come out
Tomorrow
Bet your bottom dollar

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Chris Braun - 21 Jul 2004 03:41 GMT
>A formerly fat person can never expect to be able to effortlessly
>maintain weight loss. Unfounded optimism is not helpful either.
>
>i

Who said anything about effortless?

Chris (working at it, and doing fine so far)
262/143/ (145-150)
Paul - 20 Jul 2004 04:00 GMT
Hello all,

I agree with Heywood that weight training is an excellent way to burn
calories while maintaining muscle, but I've never like lift weights.  One
reason I don't lift is because I really can't work my legs and think I'd
look a bit funny with a big upper body and slim/non muscular legs.

I really get a kick out of watching others react to my endurance on the
elliptical machine.  I'm a little confused by what Heywood meant by how
useless an elliptical machine is.  If you are obese and have bad joints,
knees, or whatever, I can't imagine a better way to lose weight.  I lost 120
pounds at one point in 9 months thanks to my stairclimber, the gym's
elliptical machine, and walking too.

Oh and Heywood?  If you ever wanna go one on one come on down to the gym and
I'll run circles around you on the elliptical...lol.   I feel great when I
get off the machine because I get a great sweat, I'm not tired and I'm not
out of breath.  At times there might be 3 people get on one machine during
the time I do my hour workout and they all look like they are about to keel
over.

When I was a kid a nurse told my parents I should see a doctor because I
seem to sweat excessively.  My doctor told my parents to tell that nurse
that I'm the healthiest kid in my school.  I tend to feel like there is some
truth to that, because I really have some endurance when exercising.  In the
Army and Marines I could run for long periods of time and outlast guys
younger than me.

After reading a post earlier today I might adjust my exercise to include
some weight lifting (upper body) and decrease the time for my cardio to 30
or 45 minutes but more intense and maybe walk a couple miles time
permitting.

Well take care all and good luck on your weight loss and maintenance,

Paul

> Hello all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Paul
> 300/184/175
Ignoramus19260 - 20 Jul 2004 04:20 GMT
Paul, have you considered calisthenics for weight training. It is much
more forgiving of a beat up body. Having lots of muscle is good for
not regaining, supposedly.

Also, I agree that ellipticals are good exercise machines, the best
for the joints.

I sweat a lot, also, which allows me to easily work outside in 100
degree weather.

i
Heywood Mogroot - 20 Jul 2004 07:53 GMT
> Hello all,
>
> I agree with Heywood that weight training is an excellent way to burn
> calories while maintaining muscle, but I've never like lift weights.

I hate lifting weights. Except the pectoral fly. That one's fun for
some reason.

> One
> reason I don't lift is because I really can't work my legs and think I'd
> look a bit funny with a big upper body and slim/non muscular legs.

Well, the other article about aerobic muscle loss is basically what I
was talking about. IIRC from your pics you don't have much shortage of
muscle so mebbe that's not going to be a problem for you.

Losing 10g of muscle an hour (if that article is to be believed) is
~45 hours of exercise to lose a lb, but I think what might really be
happening is that the elliptical is transferring muscle from your
chest and back to your legs (assuming you eat a protein/sugar recovery
meal after working out).

> I really get a kick out of watching others react to my endurance on the
> elliptical machine.  I'm a little confused by what Heywood meant by how
> useless an elliptical machine is.  If you are obese and have bad joints,
> knees, or whatever, I can't imagine a better way to lose weight.  I lost 120
> pounds at one point in 9 months thanks to my stairclimber, the gym's
> elliptical machine, and walking too.

If you lost fat not muscle, then great. I've spent over 100hrs on a
bike this summer so far, but certainly you've got the endurance over
me, since where I live now is pretty flat.

> Oh and Heywood?  If you ever wanna go one on one come on down to the gym and
> I'll run circles around you on the elliptical...lol.

I used to do the elliptical in the gym when I lived in Santa Cruz. But
it seemed wrong to live in such a nice place and just spend it in an
ugly gym...

> I feel great when I
> get off the machine because I get a great sweat, I'm not tired and I'm not
> out of breath.  At times there might be 3 people get on one machine during
> the time I do my hour workout and they all look like they are about to keel
> over.

Sounds like you're working it right then. No worries!

> After reading a post earlier today I might adjust my exercise to include
> some weight lifting (upper body) and decrease the time for my cardio to 30
> or 45 minutes but more intense and maybe walk a couple miles time
> permitting.

yeah, that's what I was basically trying to say. Daily cardio's
important, but mixing it up and keeping strength all over is also
important.

I still gotta find a gym in this place I am now. Kinda tough.

> Well take care all and good luck on your weight loss and maintenance,

You too. Excellent loss.

Heywood
232/188.6/182
Paladin - 21 Jul 2004 19:21 GMT
> I went to the gym for an hour a day over the last six days and according to
> the eliptical machine equipment I burned approximately 6700 calories over
> the week.  

I would not go by what the elliptical trainer says you burned. Many
cardio machines pat the stats on calorie expenditure. Its something
that companies do to keep you on the elliptical instead of moving over
to the treadmill, step climber or any other machine, they are all at
war with eachother on getting customers to buy that type of product. A
rule of thumb is to take 70% of what the cardio machine says that you
burned in calories. You can find articles all over the internet about
how cardio machines over estimate calorie burn when using the machine.
You more then likely burned near 4700 calories instead of the 6700
calories the machine says you burned using it that week.
 
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