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From: nosenatebill722@yahoo.com (Steve Bayt)
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Subject: Atkins  Related Deaths(ARDS) - 720,000 a year.
Date: 22 Jul 2004 16:31:04 -0700
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STEVE BAYT

The evidence is overwhelming. There is no medical,nutrition or health
person or group that calls Atkins anything but a sure bet for a heart
attack and other fatalities.

The American Heart Association
The Cleveland Clinic
The Mayo Clinic
The Yale University Medical School
Every cardiologist throughout the country
John Hopkins University.
The American Medical Association
The American Dietitic Association
The National Cancer Institute
Baylor College of Medicine

ETC. ETC. ETC.
Every hospital not financially connected to Atkins

A trip to the library to ask for section NF616, a trip to a doctor or
going to wwww.americanheart.org www.clevelandclinic.org/heartcenter or
www.atkinsalert.org will confirm my research.

For the only thing I care about isn't Internet responses but doctors'
responses in the non-cyber world. For I will achieve a 100% success
rate among doctors, nutritionists and dietitians regardless of the
idiots who post responses which only delay people getting the serious
medical advice needed in the real world.

THERE IS NOT ONE DOCTOR anywhere allowed to practice medicine in The
United States that is allowed to even mention to clients the Atkins
diet as a possible weight loss plan. It  violates the policies of the
American Medical Association.

Anyone on Atkins has one of two choices. Stay on Atkins, or wait for
any of the hundreds of fatalities to send you to a Coronary Care
Unit-then possibly a funeral.

My(not The Plain Dealer's) next full article:

July 27th the 23rd Memorium of Adam Walsh with the hope that Atkins
and Adam share only a first letter.

If you are on Atkins don't apologize to loved ones or co-workers from
a Coronary Care Unit or hospital bedside vigil. For Love Means Never
Having To Say... You're Sorry.

<snip b.s.>

(Putting on my tin foil hat so the same alien rays that got to Steve won't
reach my brain).

Google this nut job.  It's entertaining; he has several crusades going
besides his Atkins hate campaign -- including trying to get Soap Opera
Digest shut down.  Hee hee.

thanks for the urban legend.

Sweet Jesus, you are a dimbulb.

If you're going to talk sh.t, at least learn the vocabulary. Also what
the AMA is about. Also what authority they have.

It's crap like this that guarantees that no one brighter than a
grapefruit will ever accord you more than a sneering dismissal.

Get over it.

Pastorio

...

...

My doctor was very pleased to hear I'd started atkins.  He said (1) in
his opinion, any non-starvation diet (WW, BFL, Atkins, South Beach,
whatever) is good, because it breaks up your old eating habits and
gives you an opportunity to form good ones and (2) research shows that
low carb is a little better than the others at lowering cholesterol
and weight.

Good trolling.  (I usually don't bite).

Steve Bat wrote:

Such a well thought out posting.  How long have you been out of the
mental institution.  Did you leave with our without your meds.
You do need a big steak.
I love vegetarian meals, I don't follow a low carb diet but I think you
and your statements are extreme and at variance with current medical
thought and treatment for Diabetes.

My endocrinologist begs to differ.

Priscilla

I think you will find that most medical, nutrition or health people
don't really know much outside the conventional widsom. Many of them
have invested years of their life in learning what they know, it's
quite natural that they'd be hostile to anything that disagrees with
them.

I can't seem to connect to the atkinsalert or clevelandclinic sites.
The americanheart site doesn't seem to entirely agree with your
initial paragraph, in fact in the articles I've read there it seems
rather more balanced.

A 100% success rate in what? As in real-life results with regards to
weight-loss and health or in getting people to agree with you in an
Internet argument? I think the success rate of the Atkins diet speaks
for itself regardless of the conventional wisdom.

I think that says more for the stubbornness of the American medical
society than it does for the Atkins diet. I for one think that a
low-fat, carbohydrate-rich diet is more unhealthy and less productive
than a diet in which the macronutrient proportions are tipped more
towards fats and proteins, but then again I'm basing my opinion on
science and results rather than sticking to the dogma that pays the
bills.

Are you sure about that? What part of the Atkins diet would induce a
heart attack? I didn't realise that protein and unsaturated fats were
harmful to the heart, or that high carbohydrate intake was necessary
for maintaining a healthy heart.

What's with all the fanatical scaremongering? Can't we debate this
like adults?