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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / August 2004Plain Dealer adds Diabetes to Atkins Fatalities.
STEVE BAYT (Parma, Brook Park,Ohio) Below is an article that appeared in the July 20,2004 Plain Dealer life section that reports on what I was going to in a few weeks. That is the low carb lethalness(lethality) (if those are actual words), of Atkins and diabetes. Technically I am not claiming authorship and am not making money off my efforts against Atkins and Senate Bill 722 and H.R. 3377. So, technically this posting isn't subject to civil litiagation. And Kylene Kiang saved me two weeks work. So, I get an extra posting for name recognition for the day I might someday be on Paula Zahn Now, Anderson Cooper 360 or have my own activist column in thousands newspapers throughout the country where I donate 95% of my revenues to charities. So, I thank THE Plain Dealer for helping to save lives and I hope people take this article to their doctors, whose are the only reponses I care about, not one-line brain dead posters probably too brainwashed by Atkins to realize their inevitable fate. Below the **** is the article. ******************** Nutritionists warn diabetics to be wary of Atkins diet Tuesday, July 20, 2004 Kylene Kiang Plain Dealer Reporter For people who have diabetes, high- protein and low-carbohydrate diets such as the Atkins diet should be used with caution, health experts advise. The risks are twofold. Not only does protein overload stress the kidneys, but also the severe decrease in carbohydrate intake can lead to dangerously low blood-sugar levels, which may induce diabetic coma Research shows high-protein diets often contribute to an enlargement of the kidneys, said Marcia Silver, assistant professor of medicine at the Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine. "The unusually large size of the kidney is an indication that the kidney is working harder than it normally should," Silver said. "Kidneys that are pushed to function more early in life are prone to failure." Because people with diabetes are often predisposed to kidney disease, the health risks from high-protein dieting intensifies, said Maryellen Eichman- Fiala, a dietitian in the Diabetes Self- Management Education Program at LakeWest Hospital in Willoughby. According to the Atkins Nutritional Web site, kidney dysfunction will occur during the diet only if "someone is already suffering from far-advanced kidney disease." The site maintains that protein has nothing to do with the cause of the kidney problem. Low-carb diets are based on the idea that if carbohydrate intake is limited, the body will use its own fat as a main source of energy. When the body feeds on its fat stores, byproducts known as ketone bodies form and induce a state called ketosis. Ketosis is the same state typical for people who are fasting or experiencing extreme starvation. For some people on low-carb diets, in addition to the rapid loss of fat, muscle tissue decreases, and for some, heart tissue can be lost, Eichman-Fiala said. "The last I looked, no one needs to lose that," she said. The Atkins diet does not allow fruit, bread, pasta, grains, nuts, milk and starchy vegetables to be eaten during the first two weeks of the program, which can reduce carbohydrates to as low as 10 percent of what dietitians recommend. After this induction phase, more foods with carbohydrates are slowly reintroduced into the diet. Nancy Dame, a registered dietitian at Cuyahoga Falls General Hospital, said her main concern with mixing low-carb diets and diabetes is the likelihood of dangerously low blood-sugar levels during the first two weeks of the diet. People with diabetes who allow their blood sugars to drop to severely low levels may pass out, develop tremors or go into a diabetic coma, Dame said. Because many food groups are missing from the induction phase, Atkins guidelines recommend taking vitamin supplements. But Dame said taking pills is never the same as eating actual food. "You might be getting vitamin A and vitamin C, but it's not going to replace things like fiber and other phytonutrients." For people managing diabetes, Eichman-Fiala suggests limiting carbohydrates rather than eliminating them. Although she does not recommend the Atkins diet for people with diabetes, she said a positive effect of the low-carb craze is the greater recognition that overloading on carbohydrates is unhealthy. But when choosing a diet, people should keep in mind that long-term health benefits are uncertain for many low-carb plans, she said. "Whether it's the ice cream diet or the alcoholic's diet . . . all of those diets can work in the short run," she said. To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: kkiang@plaind.com, 216-999-5029 © 2004 The Plain Dealer. Not Used with permission. > STEVE BAYT > (Parma, Brook Park,Ohio) [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > such as the Atkins diet should be used with caution, health experts > advise. What amazingly insightful advice it is too. After all, we diabetics would NEVER think to use any caution now would we? f.cking knobhead statements like that REALLY get up my snotbox. > The risks are twofold. Not only does protein overload stress the > kidneys, but also the severe decrease in carbohydrate intake can lead > to dangerously low blood-sugar levels, No sh.t Sherlock! Even MORE insightfulness. Low carbs makes low BG a possibilty. never knew THAT did we folks? which may induce diabetic coma We DO know that a hypo is NOT a coma though. > Research shows high-protein diets often contribute to an enlargement > of the kidneys, said Marcia Silver, assistant professor of medicine at > the Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine. "Often"??? Not "Always"? Smoking "often" causes cancer, but not "always". Drinking water ofen makes us need to pee too! > "The unusually large size of the kidney is an indication that the > kidney is working harder than it normally should," This sh.t just gets better and better. Silver said. > "Kidneys that are pushed to function more early in life are prone to > failure." Not to state the bloody obvious of course! Who pays these dills to make these statements? I want a job of them, coz I can make as many obvious or stupid statements as they'd like. For a price. > Because people with diabetes are often predisposed to kidney disease, > the health risks from high-protein dieting intensifies, said Maryellen > Eichman- Fiala, a dietitian in the Diabetes Self- Management Education > Program at LakeWest Hospital in Willoughby. That's one VERY well educated "dietician". > According to the Atkins Nutritional Web site, kidney dysfunction will > occur during the diet only if "someone is already suffering from [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > "The last I looked, no one needs to lose that," she said. One smart cookie this bitch. > The Atkins diet does not allow fruit, bread, pasta, grains, nuts, milk > and starchy vegetables to be eaten during the first two weeks of the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > likelihood of dangerously low blood-sugar levels during the first two > weeks of the diet. All repeats from now on I suppose. > People with diabetes who allow their blood sugars to drop to severely > low levels may pass out, develop tremors or go into a diabetic coma, No supposing about it. > Dame said. > > Because many food groups are missing from the induction phase, Atkins > guidelines recommend taking vitamin supplements. > > But Dame said taking pills is never the same as eating actual food. Hey folks, this woman should get a doctorate. She's REALLY clever. > "You might be getting vitamin A and vitamin C, but it's not going to > replace things like fiber and other phytonutrients." > > For people managing diabetes, Eichman-Fiala suggests limiting > carbohydrates rather than eliminating them. I can't go on, this bitch is making me sick with all her intelligent comments. Although she does not > recommend the Atkins diet for people with diabetes, she said a > positive effect of the low-carb craze is the greater recognition that > overloading on carbohydrates is unhealthy. > > But when choosing a diet, people should keep in mind that long-term > health benefits are uncertain for many low-carb plans, she said. Oh god, she really SOES think we're all brain dead. > "Whether it's the ice cream diet or the alcoholic's diet . . . all of > those diets can work in the short run," she said. > > To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: Shoot yourself in the temple. Beav >>Because people with diabetes are often predisposed to kidney disease, >>the health risks from high-protein dieting intensifies, said Maryellen >>Eichman- Fiala, a dietitian in the Diabetes Self- Management Education >>Program at LakeWest Hospital in Willoughby. How old is this idiocy? "Since people with diabetes are often predisposed to kidney disease, which protein can aggravate, they should avoid protein and consume lots of carbohydrates to ensure they have a reason to avoid protein." She forgot the other part: "Since people with diabetes are often predisposed to heart disease, which some kinds of fat can aggravate, they should avoid _all_ kinds of fat and consume lots of carbohydrates to ensure they have a reason to avoid fat."  SignatureWes Groleau "Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. But I'm not so sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein > >>Because people with diabetes are often predisposed to kidney disease, > >>the health risks from high-protein dieting intensifies, said Maryellen [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > they should avoid _all_ kinds of fat and consume lots of carbohydrates > to ensure they have a reason to avoid fat." And since people with diabetes cannot control their BG when they consume carbohydrates they ought ot avoid all kinds of carbs. That leave them a diet comprised of mainly of minerals. So much for modern medical nutritional logic. TC > And since people with diabetes cannot control their BG when they > consume carbohydrates they ought ot avoid all kinds of carbs. > > That leave them a diet comprised of mainly of minerals. > > So much for modern medical nutritional logic. No, the official answer to that is you take medicine to keep BG under control. SignatureWes Groleau Can we afford to be relevant? http://www.cetesol.org/stevick.html > > And since people with diabetes cannot control their BG when they > > consume carbohydrates they ought ot avoid all kinds of carbs. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > No, the official answer to that is you take medicine > to keep BG under control. Now ain't THAT the f.cking truth!!! I just got out of hospital (nothing related to DM btw) and was told as I was leavng "Now don't stop taking the pain killers and don't stop taking them in an instant. Reduce them over time". So... this time next month I could be addicted to some drug or other, or I could be like I am now and not, because I stopped taking them the very instant she said that. Beav > >>Because people with diabetes are often predisposed to kidney disease, > >>the health risks from high-protein dieting intensifies, said Maryellen [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > they should avoid _all_ kinds of fat and consume lots of carbohydrates > to ensure they have a reason to avoid fat." Thankfully she also missed that other obvious one. People with diabetes always die when their lives end. Beav > Thankfully she also missed that other obvious one. People with > diabetes always die when their lives end. Or the other obvoius. When you eat lots of carbohydrates your bg's are hard to control and the resulting higher bg's cause.... kidney problems!! Lol. Twit. > > Thankfully she also missed that other obvious one. People > with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > your bg's are hard to control and the resulting higher bg's > cause.... kidney problems!! Lol. Twit. The word is full of 'em :-) Beav > Nutritionists warn diabetics to be wary of Atkins diet > Tuesday, July 20, 2004 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > such as the Atkins diet should be used with caution, health experts > advise. What an idiot. Anyone should know that Atkins is not high protein, but high fat. > To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: > > kkiang@plaind.com, 216-999-5029 > > © 2004 The Plain Dealer. Not Used with permission. --Bryan > What an idiot. Anyone should know that Atkins is not high protein, but high fat. Any REAL idiot knows that Atkins, as well as any other sensible low-carb regimen, is about choosing foods that are low in carbohydrates as well as dense in nutrients. Such foods abound, and are available from any grocery, but who wants to eat spinach when frozen pizza is on the next aisle? There's no magic bullet associated with low-carbing. What we do is eat a lot of fresh veggies and meats, and drink lots of water. THIS is supposed to be DANGEROUS? > > What an idiot. Anyone should know that Atkins is not high protein, but > high fat. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > THIS is supposed to be DANGEROUS? And of course, rocket science, which is why so many arseholes are jumping on the "Anti low(er) carb" bandwagon. Beav <drivel snipped> > Below the **** is the article. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > such as the Atkins diet should be used with caution, health experts > advise. I low carb without high protein, next... > The risks are twofold. Not only does protein overload stress the > kidneys, Wrong but also the severe decrease in carbohydrate intake can lead > to dangerously low blood-sugar levels, which may induce diabetic coma Wrong again, biggest load of bullshit I have ever read. Type 2 diabetics do not go low because of low carb intake. If they were taking insulin it is a possibility but most insulin users are aware of how much insulin per carb intake to shoot. So got any other brilliant announcements that accompany your ignorance and obvious lack of diabetic experience? > Low-carb diets are based on the idea that if carbohydrate intake is > limited, the body will use its own fat as a main source of energy. > When the body feeds on its fat stores, byproducts known as ketone > bodies form and induce a state called ketosis. So? Ketones can appear in people using any weight loss program. > Ketosis is the same state typical for people who are fasting or > experiencing extreme starvation. And because people using a non Atkins style diet to lose weight can also produce ketones that statement means what? You don't have to starve or be extreme to produce ketones. Do you believe everything you read? > For some people on low-carb diets, in addition to the rapid loss of > fat, muscle tissue decreases, and for some, heart tissue can be lost, > Eichman-Fiala said. Prove it. And not with cites you googled, proper medical cites from say Medscape etc. > The Atkins diet does not allow fruit, bread, pasta, grains, nuts, milk > and starchy vegetables to be eaten during the first two weeks of the > program, which can reduce carbohydrates to as low as 10 percent of > what dieticians recommend. After this induction phase, more foods with > carbohydrates are slowly reintroduced into the diet. Dieticians know crap and have been responsible for more complications from the progression of diabetes than anyone can imagine. Quite simply, the dietiticians tell a patient to eat more carbs than their pancreas can handle but because most folk like to believe a professional has their best interests at heart, they follow blindly. Result is often deterioration of their condition due to poor control with the resulting serious complications. > Nancy Dame, a registered dietician at Cuyahoga Falls General Hospital, > said her main concern with mixing low-carb diets and diabetes is the > likelihood of dangerously low blood-sugar levels during the first two > weeks of the diet. > Because many food groups are missing from the induction phase, Atkins > guidelines recommend taking vitamin supplements. > > But Dame said taking pills is never the same as eating actual food. For two measly weeks, big deal. People who drink a lot of alcohol and smoke every day will have a far greater loss of essential vitamins and minerals than someone doing a 2 week diet. I don't see the Danger, Will Robinson thing plastered all over the newspapers over that group of people. > "You might be getting vitamin A and vitamin C, but it's not going to > replace things like fiber and other phytonutrients." Metamucil for 2 weeks, big deal. > But when choosing a diet, people should keep in mind that long-term > health benefits are uncertain for many low-carb plans, she said. > > "Whether it's the ice cream diet or the alcoholic's diet . . . all of > those diets can work in the short run," she said. Same old same old, that argument gets old very quickly. Those who low carb know other long term low carbers. It is a very doable way of life. > To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: > > kkiang@plaind.com, 216-999-5029 No thanks. > Dieticians know crap and have been responsible for more > complications from the progression of diabetes than anyone [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > deterioration of their condition due to poor control with > the resulting serious complications. Jan, I do believe I love you:-)) When I met my first "crapatician", she told me that I should consume a minimum of 210grams per day, but preferably closer to 300. I think she may have been the first woman I looked directly in the eye and said "Kiss my arse" (or something similar:-)) Beav >> Dieticians know crap and have been responsible for more >> complications from the progression of diabetes than anyone [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Jan, I do believe I love you:-)) I think Beavette might have something to say there. > When I met my first "crapatician", she told me that I should consume a > minimum of 210grams per day, but preferably closer to 300. I think > she may have been the first woman I looked directly in the eye and > said "Kiss my arse" (or something similar:-)) First woman? Hmm didn't pick you for being the unadventurous type :) Maybe you meant the first woman you *told* not *asked*. :p >> Beav wrote: >> she may have been the first woman I looked directly in the > eye and >> said "Kiss my arse" (or something similar:-)) > First woman? Hmm didn't pick you for being the unadventurous > type :) Maybe you meant the first woman you *told* not > *asked*. :p Actually, being Beav, I read that as he'd done it before, just not looking her direct in the eyes at the time .... Signature]- "I am not young enough to know everything." ]- Oscar Wilde (1854-1900) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply by e-mail, move the Gnu from the address to the subject line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Beav wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Actually, being Beav, I read that as he'd done it before, just not looking > her direct in the eyes at the time .... I've shouted it through car windows :-)))) Beav > "Hairy Antelope" <47oc0hc02@sneakGnuemail.com> wrote in message >> Actually, being Beav, I read that as he'd done it before, just not looking >> her direct in the eyes at the time .... > > I've shouted it through car windows :-)))) Open ???? Signature]- "I am not young enough to know everything." ]- Oscar Wilde (1854-1900) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply by e-mail, move the Gnu from the address to the subject line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "Hairy Antelope" <47oc0hc02@sneakGnuemail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Open ???? Don't be daft, d'you think I'm mad? :-) Beav > "Hairy Antelope" <47oc0hc02@sneakGnuemail.com> wrote : >> Open ???? > > Don't be daft, d'you think I'm mad? :-) Beav, do I *have* to answer that question ?? :-)) Signature]- "I am not young enough to know everything." ]- Oscar Wilde (1854-1900) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To reply by e-mail, move the Gnu from the address to the subject line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "Hairy Antelope" <47oc0hc02@sneakGnuemail.com> wrote : > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Beav, do I *have* to answer that question ?? :-)) Call me retard. go on, call me RETARD!!!!! :-))) Beav > >> Dieticians know crap and have been responsible for more > >> complications from the progression of diabetes than [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > First woman? Hmm didn't pick you for being the unadventurous > type :) Yeah, well I've never met a blokey type crapatician:-) Maybe you meant the first woman you *told* not > *asked*. :p Mmm, I believe you have a point :-))) Beav I won't bother to reprint the crap that the Plain Dealer published, but I will say that I am on the Atkins diet (for over two years now) so I guess I would say the Atkins Way of Eating. I am doing this with my doctor's blessing and regular checkups. I've lost 70 lbs, my Type 2 diabetes no longer requires medications. My resting heart rate varies in the low 60s, my formerly high blood pressure is about 117/70. I have no night sweats. So basically I have the same BP and heart rate I had as a high school baseballer and I'm 57. There is too much money floating around from the Gov't and the Carbo industry to trust "experts". I knew an attorney once who referred to these types as "medical whores". "They'll do (say) anything for the right price". <snip> > There is too much money floating around from the Gov't and the Carbo > industry to trust "experts". I knew an attorney once who referred to > these types as "medical whores". "They'll do (say) anything for the > right price". Are you talking about experts here or medical attorneys ;) -------------------- VBH T2/UK/A1c 5.8/ 1000Met/Dx Oct-03 > I won't bother to reprint the crap that the Plain Dealer published, but > I will say that I am on the Atkins diet (for over two years now) so I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > these types as "medical whores". "They'll do (say) anything for the > right price". How about Cholestetrol? I was on Atkins for a year and yes I did lose about 20 lbs. However, my cholestorol went up AND I noticed deposits forming in my eye lids as a result of higher cholestorol levels. I do conclude however that my Blood Sugar was under excellent control, but I have to admit I was very worries about the other side effects and it may have been my imagination, but I felt I was experiencing pain in my kidney area. >> I won't bother to reprint the crap that the Plain Dealer published, but >> I will say that I am on the Atkins diet (for over two years now) so I [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > may have been my imagination, but I felt I was experiencing pain in my > kidney area. I am curious, what were your blood lipids before and after your diet. HDL, LDL etc. i > > I won't bother to reprint the crap that the Plain Dealer published, but > > I will say that I am on the Atkins diet (for over two years now) so I [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > about 20 lbs. However, my cholestorol went up AND I noticed deposits > forming in my eye lids as a result of higher cholestorol levels. You are the first one in this group who claims to have "cholesterol deposits" forming on their eyelids. Most people have a reduction in total cholesterol and an increase in the HDL to LDL ratio. Your claim sounds fishy since I know plenty of people with high cholesterol levels and none of them have visible deposits. > I do > conclude however that my Blood Sugar was under excellent control, but > I have to admit I was very worries about the other side effects and it > may have been my imagination, but I felt I was experiencing pain in my > kidney area. I have lost 68 pounds in the last 11 months by trying to eliminate starch from my diet. I have no symptoms other than increased energy and mental stamina. Sounds like you have other medical issues. Starch (aka sugar) is hardly a vital nutrient or necessary for health. > bgstevens@shaw.ca (Jack) wrote in message> > > > How about Cholestetrol? I was on Atkins for a year and yes I did lose [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > claim sounds fishy since I know plenty of people with high > cholesterol levels and none of them have visible deposits. I believe it is called: Xanthomata, Xanthelasma ( fat deposits on eyelids, face). It is a sign of High Cholesterol. These appeared about 6 months or so after I went onto the Atkins Diet. Don't get me wrong, I agree with much of the information in terms of stabilizing BG levels, dropping weight, and lowering BP, but I started getting very concerned by about the one year mark and went off the diet, went back to my meds, and seem to have excellent control of my Cholesterol again. one part of me thinks, what's wrong with eating more vegetables and cutting out the starches and fruits? I never really increased my protein intake, I think people assume that you eat bacon for breakfast, pork chops for lunch and ham for dinner with a half dozen pepperonis for dessert! I just increased my vegetable intake and eliminated rice, wheat, potatoes, and pasta. The other part of me thinks, Gee, you're giving up a LOT of nutrients by eliminating fruits and fibre. Fat is linked to cancer. Also, If you have to take a regimen of vitamins, how healthy can THAT be? What effect do the vitamins have on your body? Some can reach toxic levels if left unchecked. Unfortunately the majority of us do NOT have a lab to analyze our bodies for minerals, nutrients, etc., to be sure that we are not causing harm to ourselves. I guess to sum it up, I have seen some of the benifits first hand, BUT I am very concerned about possible side effects that may not become apparent for a decade or two (when it is too late!). > > I do > > conclude however that my Blood Sugar was under excellent control, but [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and mental stamina. Sounds like you have other medical issues. > Starch (aka sugar) is hardly a vital nutrient or necessary for health. > dozen pepperonis for dessert! I just increased my vegetable intake > and eliminated rice, wheat, potatoes, and pasta. The other part of me OK, good. Maybe _small_ amounts of rice/potatoes WITH the bran/skin would be OK. > thinks, Gee, you're giving up a LOT of nutrients by eliminating fruits > and fibre. Fat is linked to cancer. Also, If you have to take a If you reduced fiber, you weren't paying close attention to what Atkins said about the kind of vegetables. Or else you had previously been on a very high-fiber diet. You have a cite for "Fat is linked to cancer" ? I suppose people who consume too much fat don't have room left for fiber. And the lack of _that_ is certainly linked to cancer. I have heard something about polyunsaturates and cancer, but I've also heard that too low cholesterol correlates with cancer. SignatureWes Groleau A pessimist says the glass is half empty. An optimist says the glass is half full. An engineer says somebody made the glass twice as big as it needed to be. In misc.health.diabetes Jack <bgstevens@shaw.ca> wrote: > I believe it is called: Xanthomata, Xanthelasma ( fat deposits on >eyelids, face). It is a sign of High Cholesterol. These appeared [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >to my meds, and seem to have excellent control of my Cholesterol >again. What meds did you go off of when you started Atkins? You may be one of those people with genetically-linked high cholesterol who needs their meds regardless of what they're eating. Priscilla > In misc.health.diabetes Jack <bgstevens@shaw.ca> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Priscilla Lipitor || I won't bother to reprint the crap that the Plain Dealer published, || but I will say that I am on the Atkins diet (for over two years now) [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] | may have been my imagination, but I felt I was experiencing pain in my | kidney area. I've experienced similar benefits as Gary with regards to normalizing blood pressure and controlling T2 diabetes with low-carb eating alone. In addition, my cholesterol has dropped from 232 to 180 -- a full 50 points. My HDL has increased while LDL has decreased. And my triglycerides have dropped from an extremely dangerous 635 to their current 217, and are still decreasing. The Atkins plan has very dramatically decreased all of my highi-risk indicators for cardiovascular disease -- blood pressure, blood sugar, lipids. SignaturePeter 270/215/180 Before/Current Pix: http://users.thelink.net/marengo/weightlosspix/weightlosspix.html I am amazed at your brilliance and in depth knowledge of Nutrition, Pharmacology, Anatomy and especially Physiology of the Kidney. You massive understanding of the Diabetic....all types.....all complications. I will never be the same after reading the posting your purloined from another source. Kilty <snip the psycho babble> Hey, can we refer to you from now on as "Master Bayt?" :-) SignaturePeter 270/215/180 Before/Current Pix: http://users.thelink.net/marengo/weightlosspix/weightlosspix.html > <snip the psycho babble> > > Hey, can we refer to you from now on as "Master Bayt?" I think that would be most appropriate. And he obviously has 2 appendages as you couldn't be that stupid with just one. Atkins should have been imprisoned and sentenced to death. He is a mass murderer. Now we got some company getting wealthy off of his name, and his scam, and killing thousands of people in the process. The Atkins diet does not lose weight permanently. The weight loss is only temporary. However, the bodily damage is permanent, and so is the death that follows. Here's another article. Robert Atkins -- Not A Wellness Promoter Wednesday April 30, 2003 (Subtitle: I don't want to sound as if I'm picking on a dead guy, but it's hard not to be critical.) Robert C. Atkins, M.D. died on April 18, ten days after suffering a fall outside his Center for Complementary Medicine in Manhattan. He influenced a lot of people in his 72 years. He wrote diet books, ran a medical center offering a mix of holistic and traditional medicine and sold products -- lots of products. The question I would like to explore is this: Did Dr. Atkins do more good than harm? Time might tell. Then again, we might never know. Yet, one can speculate, can't one? One thing is for sure: For better OR worse, beginning in 1972 with the publication of Dr. Atkins' Diet Revolution, Dr. Atkins was a big influence on the behavior of overweight Americans and others. He is credited with thirty million books sold, half of which were the initial 1972 diet book. At the time of his death, his latest book (Atkins for Life, St. Martin's, 2003) was the #1 best-seller on the NY Times hardcover advice book list and a 1999 paperback (Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution, M. Evans) had been #1 for over 300 weeks. Influence on health habits, Atkins had -- big time. Yet then, Saddam Hussein influenced a lot of people too -- not that I'm suggesting Atkins belongs in the same category with the former Iraqi tyrant. A little perspective is in order. As the New York Times reported on the occasion of his demise, "The market for weight-loss plans and products is $35 billion a year, and Dr. Atkins tapped it with scores of products, including cookbooks, energy bars and diet-oriented ocean cruises." The need for weight loss is not at issue. The proportion of overweight Americans now stands at 64.5 percent, up from 55.9 percent less than a decade ago. As you surely know, Atkins was not exactly a promoter of the so-called "food pyramid" (crafted and promoted as part of the government's "Dietary Guidelines" and supported by nearly all nutrition scientists, with varying degrees of enthusiasm.) In fact, he stood the pyramid on its head. At the bottom of the Atkins pyramid (the foods that form the foundation of a diet) were steak and eggs, not bread, cereal, rice and pasta. He made fantastical claims for his approach that made the diet sound like an elixir, such as this in a recent television show: "You can take in more calories than you can on other diets and still lose weight. You can go to restaurants, order from the best of the main courses. It will correct diabetes, hypertension, most of the risk factors for heart disease, gastritis, esophageal reflux disorder, headaches, and a variety of other problems." He admitted, however, that there was no evidence (yet) to back such claims. Personally, I'm surprised he did not suggest it would retard aging, improve one's 10K times and enable better bowel movements. Dr. Atkins said he had helped people lose 200 million pounds. Well, yes but -- nearly all of them regained those 200 million pounds. They wanted to lose weight, but they found it again, soon enough. I wish that, rather than focusing on temporary loss of pounds, he had helped his followers learn about, adopt and, most important of all, sustain wellness lifestyles. In my view, he did get some things right. He went after refined sugar, corn syrup and white flour. This was timely, as per capita consumption of these items has multiplied in the last two decades. Atkins said we were better off way back when (100 years ago) lard was the most popular fat. As with any public medical figure who has deep pockets and puts forth a controversial program of alternative treatments in addition to a highly controversial diet, he was often sued and, on one occasion, had his medical license suspended, briefly. He also had problems himself with weight gains and in recent years suffered heart problems, which he attributed to an infection, not his own high fat diet. In any case, it is no wonder his diet was popular. He was a physician urging people to eat fat food! I should write a diet book. How about "The Don Ardell Ice Cream Diet?" I could make a killing, in more ways than one. As for Atkins' diet, who would not want to follow a regimen that encourages munching out on lots of foods that taste good (for example, steaks, bacon, buttered lobster, fried anything, etc.) if they could convince themselves that it must work? If the author of such claims is a real doctor, well, there must be something to it. Wrong. There are a lot of quack doctors in the world. Atkins groupies should have looked for more evidence. Atkins' idea was that you would burn fat when there was an absence from your diet of carbohydrates that otherwise would be burned first. This, Atkins claims, provided a "phenomenal metabolic advantage." Simple and easy to understand but, as is often the case with that which is simple and easy to understand, probably wrong. I say probably because the juries on this diet are still out, though few expect to see the Atkins programs credited with long-term efficacy on the basis of independent longitudinal studies. Dean Ornish and other critics argued that the Atkins diet contributes to heart problems, cancers, constipation, fatigue and not last and certainly not least, bad breath. Yike -- now THAT is serious criticism. The Harvard Health Letter termed the Atkins approach "the bad boy of diets." Another popular put-down: Some people could lose weight by smoking cigarettes, but this should not be interpreted to mean that smoking is a good thing or a desirable part of a health promotion program. All in all, Dr. Atkins was a great commercial success but it's likely that he did more harm than good. His diet remains unproven, it is at odds with nutritional science and it almost surely is quite dangerous. With his considerable resources, it's a pity he did not do more to promote independence from diets and pills (which would not have been self-serving, since he marketed so many pills himself), more to encourage personal responsibility, more advocacy for reforms in the health (sickness) care system and more to promote vigorous daily exercise. Be well, and always look on the bright side of life. From: http://www.seekwellness.com/wellness/reports/2003-04-30.htm ----------------------------------- >STEVE BAYT >(Parma, Brook Park,Ohio) [quoted text clipped - 109 lines] > >© 2004 The Plain Dealer. Not Used with permission. | Atkins should have been imprisoned and sentenced to death. He is a | mass murderer. Now we got some company getting wealthy off of his | name, and his scam, and killing thousands of people in the process. | The Atkins diet does not lose weight permanently. The weight loss is | only temporary. However, the bodily damage is permanent, and so is | the death that follows. Thanks for your enlightenment. I'm definitely going to give up the way of eating that completely controls my T2 diabetes without medication; lowered my cholesterol from 233 to 188 without medication, brought my blood pressure down to 120/70 and got me off two BP medications, got me off of medications for anxiety attacks, and completely eliminated my symptoms of IBS and GERD. Not to mention cleared up my exzema and made my hair shiny and healthy. Oh yeah, and helped me go from an obese270 down to a healthy 215 pounds on my 6'3" frame. Hmmm... on second thought, maybe there's a slim possibility that you're talking out your @ss .... SignaturePeter 270/215/180 Before/Current Pix: http://users.thelink.net/marengo/weightlosspix/weightlosspix.html >Thanks for your enlightenment. I'm definitely going to give up the way of >eating that completely controls my T2 diabetes without medication; lowered [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >yeah, and helped me go from an obese270 down to a healthy 215 pounds on my >6'3" frame. You look fabulous, Peter. And much more healthy and lively than in your before photos. Keep up the good work! || Thanks for your enlightenment. I'm definitely going to give up the || way of eating that completely controls my T2 diabetes without [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] | You look fabulous, Peter. And much more healthy and lively than in | your before photos. Keep up the good work! Thanks :-) SignaturePeter 270/215/180 Before/Current Pix: http://users.thelink.net/marengo/weightlosspix/weightlosspix.html >| Atkins should have been imprisoned and sentenced to death. He is a >| mass murderer. Now we got some company getting wealthy off of his [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Hmmm... on second thought, maybe there's a slim possibility that you're >talking out your @ss .... slim? not on his diet > Atkins should have been imprisoned and sentenced to death. He is a > mass murderer. Now we got some company getting wealthy off of his > name, and his scam, and killing thousands of people in the process. Where are these thousands may I ask? > The Atkins diet does not lose weight permanently. NO diet does that. Only a lifetime long change in eating habits and exercising will do that. The weight loss is > only temporary. However, the bodily damage is permanent, and so is > the death that follows. > > Here's another article. Here's a snippet from said article Did Dr. Atkins do more good than harm? > Time might tell. Then again, we might never know. Yet, one can > speculate, can't one? Well apparently not. The jury (of one) seems to have already brought in a verdict. Beav nosenatebill722@yahoo.com (Steve Bayt) wrote in message > > © 2004 The Plain Dealer. Not Used with permission. Carbohydrates are the most profitable foods ( 80 lbs. bushel of corn costs $4 how many Fritos will that buy). Only very profitable items can generate newspaper advertisements. Ask your local checkout clerk and he'll tell you that from his empirical evidence, newspaper coupons make people fat. The high fat lawsuit against McDonalds was dismissed because they proved that the low-fat craze promoted by food manufactures is a hoax. The sources they used are on the web and worth looking at especially those written by Gary Taub in Science and The New York Times. As he points out, corrupt politicians in league with these multinationals have doomed millions of Americans to a premature death, heart disease and obesity. If you doctor tells you to eat low-fat, call your lawyer. Not keeping up with the latest in medical journals is a form of malpractice! The best way to choose a diet expert is the same as picking Miss America - swimsuit competition! People who eat a Sumo ( very low-fat)diet and exercise should never wear thongs - unless they're Japanese. Ray Audette ( 6 ft. 150 lbs.) Author "NeanderThin" www.NeanderThin.com nosenatebill722@yahoo.com (Steve Bayt) wrote in message Knott,C. (1998). "Changes in orangutan diet, caloric intake and ketones in response to fluctuating fruit availability." Int J Primatol 19: 1061-1079. [ketosis is normal for all primate species for almost half of every year] Bishop, Jerry E., "More Fatty Foods Are Backed in Test of Diabetic Diets." Wall Street Journal (May 11, 1994). [ a better newspaper than the one that got Jerry Springer elected] Garg, Abhimanyu, M.B.B.S., M.D. et al, "Effects of Varying Carbohydrate Content of Diet in Patients with Non-Insulin-Dependent Diabetes Mellitus." Journal of the AmericanMedicalAssociation vol. 271, #18 (May 11, 1994) 1421-1428. [Shows how a low-fat diet caused a rapid (27 %) increase in LDL-cholesterol levels in insulin-resistant patients.] Johnson, Mary Ann, "The Georgia Centenarian Study: Nutritional Patterns of Centenarians." The International Journal of Aging & Human Development Vol. 34(1) (1992) 57-76. [ Explains that hundred-year-olds typically eat high-fat diets.] Raloff, J., "High-fat diets help athletes perform." ScienceNews Vol.149 No. 18 (May 4, 1996) 287. [ joggers take note] Roach, Mary, "Advice from the World's Biggest Weight Experts: Their Gain Can Be Your Loss." Health (March/April 1993) 62-72. [ Describes the traditional, low-fat diet of Japanese sumo wrestlers ( highest heart disease rate in the world)] Just a few references ( checked by 3 lawers at St. Martin's Press)from the bibliography of my book. Feel free to use these when you you sue your doctor for prescribing a low-fat diet. To bad journalists ( and Steve)are exempt from malpractice laws. Ray Audette Author "NeanderThin" www.NeanderThin.com |
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