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Don't Die on Atkins call 911

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Steve Bayt - 20 Jul 2004 23:35 GMT
STEVE BAYT
(Parma/Brook Park, Ohio)
Original posting failed on Sunday

Prologue: As usual I am not trying to convince the usual people who
post one-line brain dead comments against my attempts to save the
lives of millions of people on Atkins/ Low Carb Death Sentence. My
only interest is the responses of Internet readers' doctors and
emergency room personnel throughout the country.

Also, although love means never having to say, you're sorry. I would
like to apologize for the lack of proofreading in last Sunday's
article.  Where the posting form bottom has after "Preview Message"
the choices of "Go Back and Edit" or "Post", my cat accidentally
jumped on my desk and moved the mouse over to Post instead of where I
had it at Go Back And Edit

               People interested in not dying on Atkins/Low Carb
death style should consult their doctors and not consult newsgroup
responders-who if on Atkins/Low Carb will probably be dead within 2
years.. There is no American Doctor who will disagree with 98% of the
contents of my articles. .

**************************

Pre-Kathryn Morris Article:"Turning Atkins Into a Closed Case":

DEDICATED TO REBECCA SCHAEFFER who died on July 18,1989. Because in
America we wait for tragedies to occur, with so few to prevent them in
the first place.

Hopefully everyone in these groups has gone to a library and read the
many medical books in the NF616 section. The question of Atkins
shouldn't be is Atkins/ Low Carb fatal, but how can one survive the
inevitable Atkins Related Heart Attack (ARHA.)

Sunday's July 18,2004 comic Fox Trot foreshadowed of 2005 and Atkins.
While Bill Amend created a Tina Fey-like satire. My articles along
with Consumer Reports June 2002 page 30 et al etc.  paints more of a
MASH-like Black Humor.

THE TOTAL GUIDE TO A HEALTHY HEART copyright 1999 by Seth. J. Braun,
MD, FACC a board certified Cardiologist and professor at Florida
Atlantic University spends many pages describing what I call Atkins
Related Death Syndrome.  Pages 151, 165, 162 and 163 have two great
passages:

"What Atkins neglects to share with the reader is that his diet can be
dangerous" "The Atkins Diet is the adult equivalent of telling
children that they can solve their dietary problems by entering a
candy store and eating whatever they want."

THE YALE UNIVERSITY  SCHOOL OF MEDICINE HEART BOOK call number 616.12
by Barry L. Zaret et al. copyright 2002 supports my ARHA claims on
pages 54, 56, 142, 339, 342, 347, 259 et al. I am hoping Atkins'
healthy next of kin will utilize carbs to burn off fat by walking or
biking to the library and not just sitting in front of their computers
to verify my claims.

Consumer Reports June 2004 page 12 "NET CARB claims on labels have
vastly outstripped the scientific evidence". "In April, The Department
of Treasury Alcohol and Tobacco and Trade Bureau ruled labels on wine,
beer and distilled beverages can't even imply the term ‘net carb' or
any low-carb claim plays a healthful role in weight maintenance "

HEART ATTACK ADVICE TO PATIENTS BY PATIENTS copyright 2002 by Kathleen
Berra MD. Published by Yale University Press and the Cardiac Therapy
Foundtion in Palo Alto (call number 616.1237) states on page 140:

"The Atkins Diet have not been studied thoroughly and there is little
scientific information on which to base conclusions"  Page 87 and Page
119 profile people who survived heart attacks about a year into Atkins
,which I am calling Atkins Related Heart Attacks(ARHA's).

Those people survived because someone called 911 within the hour time
that determines life and death of an ARHA person. For 60% of ARHAers'
die before arriving at the hospital. 50% of the situations resulted in
death before Paramedics even arrived. An overwhelming number of times
a medical examiner (like on Crossing Jordan or CSI) explains something
like "The group decided to hold an all day meeting to decide whether
the person was having a heart attack."

Many coroners report people died before a call was even made.  If
you're with someone on Atkins for more than a year or so call 911
first then apologize if wrong later.

Also, collectively averaging 40 books I used for the last three
articles, a heart attack victim has a 25-30% increased chance of
survival if someone at the scene knows CPR. For paramedics will arrive
with everything else needed.

Every year about 720,000 people die due to Atkins related death style.
Half because people around the ARHAer didn't take the situation
seriously enough to call 911. Anyone who knows someone on an Atkins /
Low Carb death style should monitor them closely during any aerobic
activity. They should also insist the Atkins person have regular
Electrocardiograms, Body Fat Tests and Cholesterol tests. A few trips
to their doctor could get them off Atkins and able to not suffer an
ARHA.

It is vital that anyone on Atkins inform someone at any events where
aerobic activity will be involved. For after even 6 months on Atkins,
the excessive fat and lack of carbs could result in heart attacks.
Although a year on Atkins is a more realistic time frame.

There should be plenty of people with cell phones turned on with speed
dial to the local emergency room. For with an Atkins Related Heart
Attack every second will mean the difference between an Atkins
Intervention at a hospital, and an Atkins Funeral.

Anyone on Atkins who decides to exercise alone should take a cell
phone with a plastic cover so the phone won't break when the heart
attack starts. It would save more time if the phone has a speed dial
to the local hospital instead of 911 for if one can't speak, the
hospital operator can then use GBS to locate the person with an
ambulance. A call to 911 would create ambiguity as to a police or
medical emergency.

Everyone on Atkins should never go exercising without a cell phone, or
some identification with a website that ER personnel could use to tell
specifically what the ARHAer has done. As previously stated, a doctor
will be able to tell generally how much fat and cholesterol an ARHA
has, but there is no Carbohydrate Test. Or any need to restrict one's
amount.

If a group is at an event involving aerobic activity, even a softball
game, and a known Atkins person starts grabbing their chest, don't
assume it's not a heart attack.  For following Atkins will most
certainly result in Coronary Artery Disease.

If the event is at a location where a hospital is too far away for a
paramedic to arrive, the ARHAer should be taken to the hospital with
the ARHAers minimum exertion. If they have eaten recently try to get
them to sit up to avoid suffocation by vomit. Once the healthy low fat
high carb person(s) gets the AHRAer to the ER, they should yell as
loud as possible something like "This person is having a heart
attack". Continuing YALE's HEART BOOK the persons should be as
obnoxious as necessary to get immediate attention.

No hospital employee will ever, ever, ever, ever, be even remotely
upset for even a false alarm or any amount of obnoxiousness in the
hospital.

Alcoholics have interventions usually at their homes by loved ones who
escort them to rehab centers. Atkins Related Heart Attack sufferers
will have their interventions at Coronary Care Units surrounded by
hospital employees.

Loved ones of ARHAers should expect their ARHAer to have a 10-day
hospital stay. During that time they should make sure the Atkins food
has been thrown out, along with all their low-carb foods and somewhere
the ARHAer probably has a 10-foot poster of Dr. Atkins to be shredded.

When they arrive home their diets should be carefully monitored to
make sure the ARHA survivor is eating at least 200 grams of Carbs and
no more than 20% of calories from fat.

The biggest factor of how many millions of people will die in 2005 due
to the media allowing mass communication of the concept of Atkins/Low
Carb death style, will be how many ARHAers make it to the hospital.
About 4                                                              
                                                                     
                                                                     
                       00,000 Heart Attack sufferers die before a
paramedic even arrives.

There are no long-term studies on Atkins (Berra page 40) simply
because there are so few long-term survivors. Either people save
themselves by going back to a healthy diet, due to human's
self-protection mode, or they die.

For people can't survive without at least 100 grams daily of
carbohydrates. In order to maintain that amount many people will
seemingly subconsciously consume carbohydrates without even knowing.
Most bodies' instinct to stay alive will prevail without any conscious
level recognition they are actually eating carbs.

It's sort of like the thousands of subconscious things people do every
day to not die-like properly walking down stairs, not cutting oneself
during dinner preparation.

Many people who start entering pre-ARHA mode will simply
subconsciously consume carbohydrates. Thus, the self-instinct survival
could save millions of lives. How many millions of ARDS totals will
ensue will be a sort of battle between conscious level marketing and
subconscious level survival.

The danger of the present marketing is that fewer products are
available which have carbohydrates. At present pace, people's
self-instinct to not die won't be possible. The July 18, 2004 FOX TROT
Satire of the lack of carbohydrates in the market place should really
be viewed as black humor. For "Fox Trot" quotes "This Atkins craze
can't end soon enough" It certainly can't for there are only so many
paramedics and Colma, California is too full of dead people.

The next article: Adam Walsh, Columbine, Rebecca Schaeffer, AIDS,
September 11 and Atkins. Can disasters be prevented? Or must there be
death before apologies. For Love Means Never Having To Say. You're
Sorry.

STEVE BAYT

EPILOGUE:

To get help for those on Atkins or loved ones who don't want to be
attending funerals go to www.clevelandclinic.org/heartcenter 
www.americanheart.org   Call 1-800-242-8721 or THE CLEVELAND CLINC
Preventive Cardiology Rehabilitation Program (216)444-9353. Visit your
local library's NF616 section. Or the most preferred option to visit
your local hospital or any doctor. For According to HEART DISEASE FOR
DUMMIES Coronary Rehab Programs are so good that 88% of Heart Attack
survivors don't have a 2nd.
Jarkat2002 - 21 Jul 2004 00:45 GMT
>STEVE BAYT
>(Parma/Brook Park, Ohio)

Your an embarrassment to Parma ... and buddy that ain't easy.

~Kat

"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."
drhowarddrfinedrhoward - 21 Jul 2004 01:00 GMT
Most of what you posted has to do with heart attack victims and nothing to
do with Atkins.

My sons world famous trainer has been doing an Atkins style low carb diet
since the 1950s.  He is now 76 and has had thousands of advocates, including
my family.

You quote news stories but you, apparently, are not aware of anyone who has
positively had this problem.

There are other "low-carb" diets besides Atkins, including "Protein Power",
the Paleo diet, and others but you do not mention them.  Why are you
targeting Atkins only?
Doug Freyburger - 21 Jul 2004 19:10 GMT
> There are other "low-carb" diets besides Atkins, including "Protein Power",
> the Paleo diet, and others but you do not mention them.  Why are you
> targeting Atkins only?

Eating all those excess carbs apparently caused so much brain
damage that he no longer has the intellectual capacity to flame
other popular low carb plans.
marengo - 21 Jul 2004 03:48 GMT
<bllah blah blah blah blah blah snipped)|
|| "The Atkins Diet have not been studied thoroughly and there is little
| scientific information on which to base conclusions"  Page 87 and Page
| 119 profile people who survived heart attacks about a year into Atkins
| ,which I am calling Atkins Related Heart Attacks(ARHA's).

I have been doing Atkins since November 2001.  These are some of my before -
and current - statistics:

Blood Pressure Before:  165/92  (very high)
Blood Pressure Now:    120/70  (nomal)

Cholesterol Before:  232  (Very high)
Cholesterol Now:  188  (nomal)

Triglycerides Before:  650 + (deadly level; off the doctor's scale)
Triglycerides Now:  217  (still a bit high, but still dropping and no longe
deadlya)

Weight before:  270 pounds  (very high)
Weight now:  215 pounds  (within a few pounds of nomal for 6'3")

Fasting blood glucose before:  132 (high)
Fasting  blood glucose now:  91 (normal)

HbA1c before:  9.0 (extremely high)
HbA1c now:  6.0  (normal)

In addition, I have had my kidney and liver functions checked also during my
annual physicals; both are perfectly normal.  My former chronic IBS as well
as acid reflux disease are completely gone, with no medications.

I am off two medications for high blood pressure (including a transdermal
catapes patch that I woe 24 hours a day); I am completely off medications
for acid reflux and IBS, my diabetes is completely contolled with my Atkins
diet with absolutely no medication, and the cholesterol and dramatic
triglyceride drops have been just through my Atkins diet, with no
medications.

My doctor is ecstatic with the incredible health improvements I have
achieved solely through my Atkins diet; she says I am her "best patient" and
uses me as an example to her other patients with conditions similar to what
I had.

Now please explain to me again -- so that I can understand -- how the Atkins
diet was supposed to have given me a heart attack after one year?  Is it the
lower cholesterol, lower blood sugars, lower triglycerides, lower weight or
the lower blood pressure that is supposed to cause this?

I think you need a new hobby.

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Roger Zoul - 21 Jul 2004 14:27 GMT
:: Steve Bayt wrote:
:: <bllah blah blah blah blah blah snipped)|
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
::
:: I think you need a new hobby.

I hope you save this post so you don't have to rewrite it the next time this
moron makes a post of this sort.
SlipperyStar - 22 Jul 2004 00:29 GMT
Very big congrats on your success, Peter.

don't expect an answer from that spammer, though.

> <bllah blah blah blah blah blah snipped)|
> || "The Atkins Diet have not been studied thoroughly and there is little
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> I think you need a new hobby.
marengo - 22 Jul 2004 01:33 GMT
| Very big congrats on your success, Peter.
|
| don't expect an answer from that spammer, though.

<snip>

Yeah, I just Googled him and saw his numerous other "crusades" such as
trying to get Soap Opera Digest closed down.  He's a genuine nut job.
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wsinoler@ready.gov - 22 Jul 2004 11:54 GMT
>Yeah, I just Googled him and saw his numerous other "crusades" such as
>trying to get Soap Opera Digest closed down.  He's a genuine nut job.

This is exactly why people like you need these fad diets.  If you got
so much time on your hands to sit in front of a computer spending
hours tracing people, then it's no wonder you are fat and need a diet.
Why not get off your fat a.s and get some exercise.  Who knows, you
might even find your Atkins bible is no longer needed, because you are
losing weight from doing things, and might even develop a life in the
process. Until you do, you are all a bunch of lifeless fat blobs
melting your fat into a chair. In fact, did anyone ever notice that
dieters like yourself are so damn lazy that you cant even say the full
words.  You say carb instead of carbohydrate, and say abs instead of
abdominal muscles, and cal instead of calories, etc.  Of course we all
know that you need to use those jaw muscles for chewing, and there is
little time to use them for talking.  They are lilkely the only
muscles in your body that are developed.
drhowarddrfinedrhoward - 22 Jul 2004 13:07 GMT
This from a gov'mnt worker.
marengo - 22 Jul 2004 13:32 GMT
|| Yeah, I just Googled him and saw his numerous other "crusades" such
|| as trying to get Soap Opera Digest closed down.  He's a genuine nut
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
| little time to use them for talking.  They are lilkely the only
| muscles in your body that are developed.

You obviously are too stupid to know how to use a hyperlink. since you
obviously didn't visit my website.
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Gymmy Bob - 23 Jul 2004 00:45 GMT
Troll effectiveness: 2.5 out of 10

> >Yeah, I just Googled him and saw his numerous other "crusades" such as
> >trying to get Soap Opera Digest closed down.  He's a genuine nut job.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> little time to use them for talking.  They are lilkely the only
> muscles in your body that are developed.
Gymmy Bob - 23 Jul 2004 00:47 GMT
Troll effectiveness: 2.5 out of 10

> >Yeah, I just Googled him and saw his numerous other "crusades" such as
> >trying to get Soap Opera Digest closed down.  He's a genuine nut job.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> little time to use them for talking.  They are lilkely the only
> muscles in your body that are developed.
Carmen - 23 Jul 2004 04:09 GMT
> This is exactly why people like you need these fad diets.
Snip

Oh goody.  Normal Consumer is back.  What's the sob story this time?
Let's see, you tried; "I lost my wife because of Atkins" last time.
Why don't you try some tall tale involving children or a family pet
this time?  Better yet, use pets *and* children.

Carmen
The Low-Carb Bartender - 27 Jul 2004 22:49 GMT
Why waste your typing fingers on this sort of posting?
Tony Lew - 21 Jul 2004 21:42 GMT
> STEVE BAYT
> (Parma/Brook Park, Ohio)
> Original posting failed on Sunday

<sh.t deleted>

 This guy's really cracking up.  He even posted this to
rec.sport.baseball, of all places.
marengo - 21 Jul 2004 22:21 GMT
|| STEVE BAYT
|| (Parma/Brook Park, Ohio)
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
|   This guy's really cracking up.  He even posted this to
| rec.sport.baseball, of all places.

Yep.  A quick google search shows he also posted it to alt.tv.american-idol;
alt.tv.one-life-to-live, and alt.politics-republican.

He obviously is about two fries short of a Happy Meal.

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Heywood Mogroot - 22 Jul 2004 03:20 GMT
> || STEVE BAYT
> || (Parma/Brook Park, Ohio)
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> He obviously is about two fries short of a Happy Meal.

or a baker...
Linda Harms - 22 Jul 2004 00:05 GMT
> > STEVE BAYT
> > (Parma/Brook Park, Ohio)
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>   This guy's really cracking up.  He even posted this to
> rec.sport.baseball, of all places.

Tonight when I get home from work I am going to call 911 and tell them
that I am on the Atkins diet.

I wonder how fast the police will get to my apartment . . .

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Linda Harms
New York, NY

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5

Peggy - 22 Jul 2004 21:27 GMT
> Tonight when I get home from work I am going to call 911 and tell them
> that I am on the Atkins diet.
>
> I wonder how fast the police will get to my apartment . . .

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peggy
Atkins Since: 08-02-02
Linda Harms - 22 Jul 2004 22:17 GMT
> > Tonight when I get home from work I am going to call 911 and tell them
> > that I am on the Atkins diet.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Peggy
> Atkins Since: 08-02-02

I imagine that they will want to stop for coffee and donuts before they
come to rescue me.

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Linda Harms
New York, NY

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5

Gymmy Bob - 23 Jul 2004 00:44 GMT
ROFLMFAO !!!!!

> > > Tonight when I get home from work I am going to call 911 and tell them
> > > that I am on the Atkins diet.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I imagine that they will want to stop for coffee and donuts before they
> come to rescue me.
Linda Harms - 27 Jul 2004 22:27 GMT
> ROFLMFAO !!!!!
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> > I imagine that they will want to stop for coffee and donuts before they
> > come to rescue me.

It's so nice to be appreciated.  

Wait a minute -- Did you say "F" to me?

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Linda Harms
New York, NY

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5

M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-July 22, 2004 - 22 Jul 2004 21:37 GMT
> > > STEVE BAYT
> > > (Parma/Brook Park, Ohio)
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> I wonder how fast the police will get to my apartment . . .

Careful, Linda, they may send Sipowiscz.

:)
Linda Harms - 22 Jul 2004 22:18 GMT
In article <ZzVLc.16489$YQ6.1496618@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>, "M,a,r,k
P,r,o,b,e,r,t-July 22, 2004" <M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t 07-22-04
@lymbercartel.com> says...

> > > nosenatebill722@yahoo.com (Steve Bayt) wrote in message
> news:<94f2910c.0407201435.5226da58@posting.google.com>...
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> :)

As long as he keeps his pants on, he's welcome.  ;-)

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Linda Harms
New York, NY

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Macbeth, Act 5 Scene 5

nospam@nospam.com - 22 Jul 2004 11:34 GMT
>Prologue: As usual I am not trying to convince the usual people who
>post one-line brain dead comments against my attempts to save the
>lives of millions of people on Atkins/ Low Carb Death Sentence. My
>only interest is the responses of Internet readers' doctors and
>emergency room personnel throughout the country.

You know you are wasting your time trying to convince those who the
Atkins Corp. have brainwashed.  They are a cult, more powerful than
those religious suicide cults, but the end result is the same.

If the Monsanto Corp. used these same techniques used by the Atkins
Corp. they would have people drinking insecticides, and would have
lots of these brain dead persons actually drinking it by the gallons.

We live in a world where there are many people who cant live without
having something to worship.  For some it's religion, for others,
particularly those who are worried about their weight, it's the quack
doctor Atkins and the scam business he created.  Many will die from
their suicides created by their worshipping these cults, and others
will ruin their lives permanently.  The bottom line is that no one is
going to convince them they are wrong.  That's the programming they
have been put thru.  There are de-programmers for religious cults, but
so far there does not appear to be a de-programmer for the Atkins
cultists, at last not yet.
Anth - 22 Jul 2004 22:34 GMT
(More scaremongering crap from someone without any evidence)
I think the clincher for me was when someone posted a few months back about
how they had got heart disease after going on Atkins for 1 month.
The mind boggles...
Anth

> STEVE BAYT
> (Parma/Brook Park, Ohio)
[quoted text clipped - 207 lines]
> DUMMIES Coronary Rehab Programs are so good that 88% of Heart Attack
> survivors don't have a 2nd.
J. R. - 29 Aug 2004 21:22 GMT
Every person is different, each requires own diet. There is not one
particular diet or food plan suitable to everybody. Some people
require more or less carb, some require more or less protein, some
require more or less fat, etc.

Every person's inborn metabolism works differently. What works for one
type of people may not be suitable to another.

J. R.

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