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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / July 2004Eating vs. Skipping Breakfast
Most people would agree that eating breakfast helps reduce overeating during the afternoon, but I think this is just the opposite for me. If I eat breakfast, it "reminds" me the joy of eating and I eat more during the day, even without counting the breakfast. I think people with compulsive disorders feel the same way too. This is from my own experience. On days I don't eat breakfast, sometimes I go until 4 or 5pm before eating my first meal. But on days I do eat breakfast I'm usually hungry within 3 or 4 hours. What are you eating for breakfast? > Most people would agree that eating breakfast helps reduce overeating during > the afternoon, but I think this is just the opposite for me. If I eat [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > until 4 or 5pm before eating my first meal. But on days I do eat breakfast I'm > usually hungry within 3 or 4 hours. > Most people would agree that eating breakfast helps reduce overeating during > the afternoon, but I think this is just the opposite for me. If I eat [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > until 4 or 5pm before eating my first meal. But on days I do eat breakfast I'm > usually hungry within 3 or 4 hours. Not a great idea. Sounds like you are eating too many carbs at breakfast. A protein-rich breakfast will not make you hungry. Waiting until 4 or 5 p.m. will just screw up your metabolism -- I found out both of these through experience and my nutritionist. By the way, I hestitated to answer your post because of your screen name -- I can't tell whether you are sincere if you use a quasi-celebrity screen name and don't include a name at the end of your post. And also by the way, there is nothing wrong with being hungry after 3 or 4 hours -- that is perfectly normal. Another reason why I wonder whether you are sincere in posting or just trolling. Mary M 325-160-148 > Most people would agree that eating breakfast helps reduce overeating during > the afternoon, but I think this is just the opposite for me. If I eat [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > until 4 or 5pm before eating my first meal. But on days I do eat breakfast I'm > usually hungry within 3 or 4 hours. Kelly you need to evaluate your priorities. Eating is one of life's pleasures but gluttony isn't. I enjoy wonderful food but need to be watchful to keep off the over 80 pounds I lost nearly five years ago with the help of alt.support.diet members. My Granny used to say, "You can't dance at two weddings." BTW: Eating breakfast is good insurance against binging later in the day.  SignatureDiva ****** There is no substitute for the right food > Most people would agree that eating breakfast helps reduce overeating during > the afternoon, but I think this is just the opposite for me. If I eat > breakfast, it "reminds" me the joy of eating and I eat more during the day, > even without counting the breakfast. I think people with compulsive disorders > feel the same way too. According to my dietician, and verified by my own experience, breakfast is vital simply because after fasting all night, you need that bit of fuel to restart your metabolism. I can't eat that early in the mornings either. Try a meal substitute drink. Don't use the Slim Fast, though, it has way too much sugar. I can personally recommend the Carnation Instant Breakfast. The even have a lower sugar variety (they recently changed the packaging, focusing on the low carb angle) Mix it with skim milk and a multi vitamin, and you'll feel like taking on the world. > This is from my own experience. On days I don't eat breakfast, sometimes I go > until 4 or 5pm before eating my first meal. But on days I do eat breakfast I'm > usually hungry within 3 or 4 hours. That's because your body is much happier processing small meals every few hours versus the standard 3 meal format. I have my CIB at 7:00, a granola bar about 10:00 and don't even think about food again until my stomach starts rumbling about 1:00. If you wait until too late in the day, there's not much to get that metabolism going, and everything you ate the previous day just ends up turning to fat without that system processing it all. This helped me peel off 200 pounds in 14 months, so I feel pretty safe in saying that it should work for you too. Smokey, Retired into lurkdom thanks for your responses. Actually, I am just the kind of person who can almost force myself not to eat, if I know I will overeat. I know most people will eventually overeat if you fast for 18-24 hours. Is it a good idea to "force" yourself? I haven't eaten more than 1000 Calories a day for almost 2 months. > According to my dietician, and verified by my own experience, breakfast is >vital simply because after fasting all night, you need that bit of fuel to >restart your metabolism. True. However, WHEN that fast is best broken varies from person to person. Some people can stomach the idea of food first thing in the morning, others cannot. I've never believed there is anything particularly magical about the traditional breakfast *hours*. Technically, everyone eats "breakfast", because they are breaking the fast. The metabolism can still get kick started whether the switch gets turned on at 7 am or at 11 am. If I do eat during what is traditionally known as the breakfast hour, it must indeed be something low in starches and sugars, otherwise I wind up hungrier than if I'd simply not eaten at all. Sounds bass-ackwards but this is just my own experience. I find that if I simply eat whenever my body feels actual hunger, then the "metabolism" kicks in. Sometimes it's with what people define as "breakfast" and sometimes it waits until later. YMMV, as always. Crafting Mom SignatureThe above post reflects the opinion and experience of the author. Please interpret accordingly. >> According to my dietician, and verified by my own experience, >> breakfast is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > person. Some people can stomach the idea of food first thing in the > morning, others cannot. I have a feeling that a lot of these non-breakfast eaters are also eating late-night snacks. Phil M. SignatureIf you can empty your own boat Crossing the river of the world, No one will oppose you, No one will seek to harm you. -Chuang Tzu >>> According to my dietician, and verified by my own experience, >>> breakfast is [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Phil M. Not necessarily true. I never eat past 10pm, never wake at night for a midnight snake. Generally my "dinner" hour is somewhere between 6:30pm and 9pm, depending on my schedule. If I eat early I might have a light snack at about 9:30. I don't like eating late as it does mean that the food hasn't settled before I go to sleep, therefore I end up having trouble sleeping and the digestion process ends up causing a restless and dreamfilled sleep. My preference is to eat about 7pm and not eat later, and I generally go to bed between 11:30 - midnight. So generally my nightly "fast" is about 8pm to 9:30am... "No. No. Our private conversations have not been such that I'm anxious to continue them. Forgive me for speaking so bluntly, but it is the truth." --as Joel Cairo in THE MALTESE FALCON (1941). > >>> According to my dietician, and verified by my own experience, > >>> breakfast is [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I never eat past 10pm, never wake at night for a midnight snake. Munching on Cobra and Anaconda again Jay Jay? :-) SignatureDiva ***** The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman > > >>> According to my dietician, and verified by my own experience, > > >>> breakfast is [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Munching on Cobra and Anaconda again Jay Jay? :-) I was going to tell her that *no way* would I wake up for that type of snack. > Munching on Cobra and Anaconda again Jay Jay? :-) or the vegetarian choice - fresh garden snake ;-) SignatureWalking on . . . Laurie in Maine 207/110 60 inches of attitude! Start: 2/02 Maintained since 2/03 >>>> According to my dietician, and verified by my own experience, >>>> breakfast is [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Not necessarily true. I did not say all. Phil M. >I have a feeling that a lot of these non-breakfast eaters are also eating >late-night snacks. Some might. I know of some people who purposely skip breakfast, in spite of being hungry, thinking it will make them "eat less", but they binge later on. For me, eating when I am hungry, and not eating when not hungry, even if it means I don't eat AT breakfast "time", doesn't result in late night eating. YMMV >Some might. I know of some people who purposely skip breakfast, in >spite of being hungry, thinking it will make them "eat less", but they >binge later on. I find that if I eat breakfast before skating, I'm just as hungry afterwards as if I don't, so what's the point? I even forgot to eat my banana this morning - discovered it in my bag on the way home! >For me, eating when I am hungry, and not eating when not hungry, even if >it means I don't eat AT breakfast "time", doesn't result in late night >eating. I wish I could do this, but as I don't live alone, it's not possible. Not unless I want to cook more than once a day, which I don't. SignatureAnnabel Smyth mailto:annabel@amsmyth.demon.co.uk http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html Website updated 18 July 2004 >> According to my dietician, and verified by my own experience, breakfast is >>vital simply because after fasting all night, you need that bit of fuel to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >fast. The metabolism can still get kick started whether the switch gets >turned on at 7 am or at 11 am. Very good point. You can't say a particular time is breakfast. If you did, you'd pick an arbitary time like 8am, and for someone like me, I've been up for 2 hrs, and am already at work. For others they aren't even out of bed yet. And for others who work night hours, 8am may be bed time.... What works for me is eating a few hours after I get up. (usually 3 to 4hrs). Last year I did the bootcamp training thing. While one woman in class actually passed out during the class because she had not eatin before training, someone like me will puke if I have consumed antyhing more than a small glass of juice and water. For me, breakfast can be a simple granola bar, piece of fruit, yogurt or something other similar, simple item or it could be an egg/cheese sandwhich or a bowl of cereal. But like CM - I keep startches and sugars limited for breakfast and try to go for good fibers and protein. If I eat startches and sugar I wind up with a headache and it will set me up for a day of eating more than I usually do. "No. No. Our private conversations have not been such that I'm anxious to continue them. Forgive me for speaking so bluntly, but it is the truth." --as Joel Cairo in THE MALTESE FALCON (1941). >>>According to my dietician, and verified by my own experience, breakfast is >>>vital simply because after fasting all night, you need that bit of fuel to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > aren't even out of bed yet. And for others who work night hours, 8am > may be bed time.... Good points. I usually eat before I go to the gym and have a small snack after I get to work. I'm just opposed to the idea of eating two meals a day at work. I'll have to get over it some day. Oh Friday's though, I have spin class in the morning and I don't want to have breakfast before spin so I have breakfast at work after spin. I break may fast all over the place, time wise. Signaturejmk in NC >I'm just opposed to the idea of eating two >meals a day at work. I'll have to get over it some day. I sort of try to get away from the concept of meals altogether and just bring an insulated bag of various foods to work with me. Then I eat something whenever I feel hungry. Sometimes this is just at lunchtime, but other times it might be 3-4 mini-meals during the day. Like today -- since I had to leave early and go downtown -- I had just a protein shake in the car for my first meal. So I ate some hard-boiled eggs a few hours later, then half a wrap sandwich when lunch was served, then an apple an hour or so later, then another half sandwich before I left to go the gym. Chris 262/143/ (145-150) >>I'm just opposed to the idea of eating two >>meals a day at work. I'll have to get over it some day. > > I sort of try to get away from the concept of meals altogether and > just bring an insulated bag of various foods to work with me. Then I > eat something whenever I feel hungry. hehe! If I did that I would be done with my food by 10 am and I'd have nothing in the "good food" category available which would lead to the desire to (1) go to the 7-11 type place across the street or (2) visit one of the fine dining estabilishments located nearby. I need to use the "meal" concept as a way to ration my food. This seems to be another case of YMMV ;-) OTOH, I do basically have three meals and two to three planned snacks per day. Signaturejmk in NC Kelly, I used to try to skip breakfasts in the morning thinking that one less meal meant that many less calories. Well. What I found happened was that by lunchtime, I was starving. And when you get that hungry, only a really calorie laden meal will do. So I'd end up really loading up on fat and calories during lunchtime and throw my whole metabolism off track. Now if I'm not hungry, I just have a glass of OJ to tide me over. > > According to my dietician, and verified by my own experience, breakfast is > >vital simply because after fasting all night, you need that bit of fuel to [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > YMMV, as always. > Crafting Mom >Kelly, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I'd end up really loading up on fat and calories during lunchtime and >throw my whole metabolism off track. I used to do the same thing. Definite good way to fool yourself. There is a vast difference between purposely skipping a meal *even though one is hungry*, and not eating - yet - simply because you don't happen to be hungry yet. When I forced myself to "fast" for longer, I wound up bingeing bigtime. > > According to my dietician, and verified by my own experience, breakfast is > >vital simply because after fasting all night, you need that bit of fuel to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > person. Some people can stomach the idea of food first thing in the > morning, others cannot. I know, because I'm one of them. That's why I go with the drink. Even if you're not hungry at all, one little cup of chocolatey milk doesn't trigger the "Oh yuck! Food!" reflex yet does so much good for your body. I've never believed there is anything > particularly magical about the traditional breakfast *hours*. Hours, no. What matters is the proximity to your waking. Hey, your car works much better if you get the engine runnung _before_ you pull out of the garage, doesn't it? It works the same way for your body. If you don't give it what what it need when it needs it, then the only way you're going to keep going is down hill. > Technically, everyone eats "breakfast", because they are breaking the > fast. The metabolism can still get kick started whether the switch gets > turned on at 7 am or at 11 am. Sure, a few hours doesn't really make _that_ much of a difference, but as I recollect, the OP said that (s)he didn't have the first meal until the afternoon. > If I do eat during what is traditionally known as the breakfast hour, it > must indeed be something low in starches and sugars, otherwise I wind up > hungrier than if I'd simply not eaten at all. Sounds bass-ackwards but > this is just my own experience. That's where the low sugar breakfast drink comes into play. And not having an appetite is not really a good thing. It means that your metabolism isn't processing, and asking for more to process when it's finished. Without that, you're only burning off a fraction of the calories that you would if the ol' furnace was in full flame. > I find that if I simply eat whenever my body feels actual hunger, then > the "metabolism" kicks in. Sometimes it's with what people define as > "breakfast" and sometimes it waits until later. That "whenever" you mentioned _is_ your metabolism finally waking up. It's saying "Why didn't you get me up earlier? Now my schedule's going to be off all day. You won't get away with this, I'll keep you hungry until well after you go back to bed. Mwa ha ha!" Keep in mind that your body's just a machine. You can make it look real pretty, but if you don't maintain it properly, it's going to end up in the spare parts pile long before it's time, and I'd really hate to see that happen to a fellow ASDer. |
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