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Weight Watchers Praises Medicare Declaration About Obesity
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Sharron Bishop - 27 Jul 2004 00:47 GMT Press Release Source: Weight Watchers International, Inc.
Weight Watchers Praises Medicare Declaration About Obesity Monday July 26, 11:17 am ET Believes only methods that are scientifically-proven to help people achieve long-term weight loss should be considered effective
WOODBURY, N.Y., July 26 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- "Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson's recent announcement that obesity treatments can be covered by Medicare is a significant step forward in the effort to battle America's obesity crisis," said Linda Huett, president and CEO of Weight Watchers International, Inc. As an organization that has spent more than 40 years helping people reach and maintain a healthy weight, Weight Watchers fully understands that access to effective treatment is critical for anyone dealing with obesity, she said.
This change of policy is warranted according to Weight Watchers. Dozens of scientific studies have linked obesity to a series of conditions including several forms of cancer, stroke, type 2 diabetes and heart disease; the cost of obesity on America's medical system has been staggering and weight loss is typically difficult to achieve; more than one-third of America's 41 million people covered by Medicare are overweight and 18 percent are considered obese; treatment often occurs only after serious medical complications have already taken hold.
"Although Secretary Thompson's declaration is a well-needed move in the right direction, the tough decisions lie ahead in determining precisely which weight-loss options will qualify for coverage. We believe that any evaluation needs to be based on the following parameters," said Ms. Huett:
* Weight loss measurement is based on long-term, rather than short term, weight loss; * Treatments that have been proven through long-term studies (at least two years) to be safe, effective and sustainable; * The need for lifestyle changes be recognized as a critical element in weight loss: * Obesity be defined by accepted BMI measurement; * Exercise be a part of any suggested weight loss plan; * A "benefit to cost" ratio be established so that effectiveness of programs helps determine their coverage; * Methodologies that assist people who are overweight in avoiding becoming obese be given full consideration as a deterrent to the costs incurred when obesity impacts a person's health; * The weight loss program should promote healthy nutrition and not compromise long-term nutritional habits or increase risk factors for disease.
"We thank Secretary Thompson for his attention to this issue, and call for a timely review of the scientific evidence that will determine the coverage parameters for people on Medicare," said Ms. Huett.
kansasman - 27 Jul 2004 23:06 GMT > Press Release Source: Weight Watchers International, Inc. > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > in weight loss: > * Obesity be defined by accepted BMI measurement; I find it very disappointing that obesity is even eligable to "called" a disease under medicare much less be treated under medicare. It is important for people not to feel like they are victomized. Callin obesity a treatable desease will make people feel as though they are victims- like they have cancer. Obesity is preventable and therefore not a disease, imho. Diseases can stem from the condition (heart disease, organ failure), but obesity itself should not be treated as a disease.
Lady Veteran - 28 Jul 2004 04:10 GMT >> Press Release Source: Weight Watchers International, Inc. >> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] >disease, organ failure), but obesity itself should not be treated as >a disease. A person will be a victim unless they choose to be. Even people with terminal illnesses do not consider themselves victim.
One does not fight an illness by becoming its victims.
This ruling will allow people to get they help they need. Idiots will not be able to prevent it.
Anything that shut up idiots is a VERY good thing.
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Lady Veteran - ----------------------------------- "I rode a tank and held a general's rank when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..." - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil - ------------------------------------------------ People who hide behind anonymous remailers and ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no motive but malice. - --------------------------------------------- For every person with a spark of genius, there are a hundred more with ignition trouble. - -Unknown - -------------------------------
kansasman - 29 Jul 2004 03:25 GMT > Press Release Source: Weight Watchers International, Inc. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > access to effective treatment is critical for anyone dealing with obesity, > she said. This decision is a travesty for the medical community and the country as a whole. imho, ruling that obesity is a disease puts the burden on the medical community to decrease waistelines.
Lady Veteran - 29 Jul 2004 03:42 GMT >> Press Release Source: Weight Watchers International, Inc. >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >country as a whole. imho, ruling that obesity is a disease puts the >burden on the medical community to decrease waistelines. that is where it should be if they open their fat mouths and treat people badly for being fat.
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Lady Veteran - ----------------------------------- "I rode a tank and held a general's rank when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..." - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil - ------------------------------------------------ People who hide behind anonymous remailers and ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no motive but malice. - --------------------------------------------- For every person with a spark of genius, there are a hundred more with ignition trouble. - -Unknown - -------------------------------
Newcombe - 29 Jul 2004 04:23 GMT > This decision is a travesty for the medical community and the country > as a whole. imho, ruling that obesity is a disease puts the burden on > the medical community to decrease waistelines. I don't agree. Obesity, especially morbid obesity, is a condition that requires medical treatment. It's true treating obesity requires the active participation of the patient, but that's true of lots of medical problems - asthma, for instance. Medical help is definitely needed, including not only coaching and advice, but also psychiatric care, and in some cases drugs and surgery. And I don't object to medicare/medicaid paying for the treatment, if the patient himself is unable to pay.
What I do object to is the medical community and society at large being required to *accept* the condition of obesity. In particular, I object to hospitals having to modify their facilities and equipment to cope with a growing population of morbidly obese individuals, without treating their obesity. That, to me, is economically, medically, and morally perverse.
A person who has grown to the weight of 600 pounds, who can no longer even walk because of her overweight, is sick in more than one way, and belongs in a mental hospital. Not to institutionalize her, but to cure her.
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Heywood Mogroot - 29 Jul 2004 11:45 GMT > A person who has grown to the weight of 600 pounds, who can no longer > even walk because of her overweight, is sick in more than one way, and > belongs in a mental hospital. Not to institutionalize her, but to cure her. I sorta feel the same way about the scooters for the obese I see in supermarkets.
WTF?
FOB - 29 Jul 2004 17:40 GMT They are not just for the obese. My mother is small but has very bad arthritis and cannot walk around a supermarket.
In news:dd5de929.0407290245.1d7ee79e@posting.google.com, Heywood Mogroot <imouttahere@mac.com> stated
| I sorta feel the same way about the scooters for the obese I see in | supermarkets. | | WTF? Heywood Mogroot - 31 Jul 2004 00:04 GMT > They are not just for the obese. My mother is small but has very bad > arthritis and cannot walk around a supermarket. even worse then that the willfully obese are taking up handicapped parking and shopping scooters.
sickening, really. I understand the emotional dynamics of becoming morbidly obese somewhat (having seen myself float right up to the line of being obese over just 2 years), and I think the CDC is on the right track with this, and the FA movement, if they are serious and not just a bunch of w.nkers, really should think about where this is going, and who is going to be paying for their lack of self-control.
Heywood
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Lady Veteran - 31 Jul 2004 02:55 GMT >> They are not just for the obese. My mother is small but has very >> bad arthritis and cannot walk around a supermarket. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >232/187/282 For the fool that thinks the obese should never use scooters. I dare you to say that in real life. I dare you to stand behind you convictions and say
"The sight of fat people using scooters meant for the handicapped makes me sick."
If you believe in your stupity.STAND UOP AN BE COUNTED YOU CHICKEN sh.t!!!!!!!
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Lady Veteran - ----------------------------------- "I rode a tank and held a general's rank when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..." - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil - ------------------------------------------------ People who hide behind anonymous remailers and ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no motive but malice. - --------------------------------------------- For every person with a spark of genius, there are a hundred more with ignition trouble. - -Unknown - -------------------------------
kansasman - 29 Jul 2004 20:38 GMT > > A person who has grown to the weight of 600 pounds, who can no longer > > even walk because of her overweight, is sick in more than one way, and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > WTF? I object the idea that people can possibly sue medical and Medicare organizations, blaming them for their obesity because the insurance would not put out for the staple surgery. I agree that doctors should be involved for safe and successful weight reduction. I think that obesity can stem from some emotional instability as well. In that case, therapists are needed...but the question still remains....should taxpayers pay for obesity?
Lady Veteran - 29 Jul 2004 21:59 GMT >> > A person who has grown to the weight of 600 pounds, who can no >> > longer even walk because of her overweight, is sick in more [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >case, therapists are needed...but the question still >remains....should taxpayers pay for obesity? In the first place anyone can be sued, provided that one has the financial resources.
Second, it is the medical establishment that is the lead alarmist in the "obesity epidemic." The consumers are not saying that.
I think that the tools should be made available to people who ask for help. Taxpayers should pay for obesity just like they pay for extreme sports injuries and other stupidity.
I think it is a change that is long overdue.
If idiots want skinny people they should be willing to pay for it.
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Lady Veteran - ----------------------------------- "I rode a tank and held a general's rank when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..." - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil - ------------------------------------------------ People who hide behind anonymous remailers and ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no motive but malice. - --------------------------------------------- For every person with a spark of genius, there are a hundred more with ignition trouble. - -Unknown - -------------------------------
Heywood Mogroot - 31 Jul 2004 00:13 GMT > case, therapists are needed...but the question still remains....should > taxpayers pay for obesity? tricky question, but if the prevention is cheaper than the cure, sure.
I'm no free marketeer, I feel government has some role in filling in the gaps in modern, non-feudal corporatist society.
Free markets are not necessarily moral, as we see in the case of obesity. The food manufacturers, media agencies, big pharma, and even private health insurance providers benefit from obesity in a symbiotic relationship. Government, in the form of independent science and policy makers, has a role of stepping in and curbing this profitable yet wasteful economic activity. IMV.
but of course extreme care must be taken in this intervention not to over-regulate or over-control the situation. Education is about 80% of the battle, to help stop people from getting to the point where they need more costly treatments.
Ignoramus6756 - 31 Jul 2004 00:21 GMT >> case, therapists are needed...but the question still remains....should >> taxpayers pay for obesity? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > the battle, to help stop people from getting to the point where they > need more costly treatments. there is a misconception that the government is the enemy of the business or that it is "independent".
It is, very often, not true. Instead, government is the friend of businesses that are well connected, they use government to destroy competing businesses.
For example, the story about how makers of trans fats influenced the public education and research and mis-influenced regulators, see a fascinating story at
http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/oiling.html
You are right in that giving the government too much authority to regulate, would probably again lead to big fake food bucks subverting public nutrition.
The only type of intervention that I personally support, is regulations promoting disclosures.
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kansasman - 09 Aug 2004 19:14 GMT > > case, therapists are needed...but the question still remains....should > > taxpayers pay for obesity? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > the battle, to help stop people from getting to the point where they > need more costly treatments. Costly treatments? Who will pay for these? Tax payers? Why? Obesity is 80% a mental condition/ education- with that I agree with you. I do not believe that stomach stapling will help someone's mind set about their body view.
Lady Veteran - 29 Jul 2004 21:49 GMT >> A person who has grown to the weight of 600 pounds, who can no >> longer even walk because of her overweight, is sick in more than [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >WTF? And you would think that those scooters are for aft people...What about people who cannot walk well because of deformity or injury? what about pregnant women, old people and others?
It figures that a looney tune like you would only see fat people using scooters.
What the f.ck? You're the f.ck.
Get a life.
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Lady Veteran - ----------------------------------- "I rode a tank and held a general's rank when the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank..." - -Rolling Stones, Sympathy for the Devil - ------------------------------------------------ People who hide behind anonymous remailers and ridicule fat people are cowardly idiots with no motive but malice. - --------------------------------------------- For every person with a spark of genius, there are a hundred more with ignition trouble. - -Unknown - -------------------------------
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