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McMatthew - 27 Jul 2004 10:50 GMT Hi everybody,
I guess you all know more about dieting than I.
Feeling chellenged by Morgan Spurlock's documentary "Super Size Me", I embarked on a McDonald's only diet two weeks ago. So far, I've lost nearly 2 kg and find it quite easy to keep my calorie intake low.
Apart from the fact that the food and the nutrition facts are readily available, I find that it keeps me full surprisingly long. Especially once I got used to smaller portions.
I would not recommend this to anybody... but if you're interested, have a look at my website www.burgerdiet.net.
I wish you all success with your diets.
Matthew
Ignoramus25231 - 27 Jul 2004 11:42 GMT You really need to start eating some vegetables, regardless of your weight loss, you are messing yourself up if you do not eat them. Pill popping is not a substutute. McD offers salads, please order them once in a while. Otherwise, sure you can lose weight on this diet. Much of what you eat is basically garbage. You can live on that, provided that you also get some vegetables, even though your die is not optimal it's going to be good enough if you make some changes.
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Crafting Mom - 27 Jul 2004 14:59 GMT >Apart from the fact that the food and the nutrition facts are readily >available, I find that it keeps me full surprisingly long. Especially once I >got used to smaller portions. Y'know, most people would assume that I would be the first person to rail against such an idea. But I know people who are slim and fit, and they eat pretty much nothing BUT junk food. They just aren't seen stuffing their faces every time they get up off their chairs. Decrease frequency of eating and sure enough, it's possible to eat any darned thing you please :) Go Figure ;-)
Crafting Mom YMMV etc etc JMHO
Matty - 27 Jul 2004 15:38 GMT > >Apart from the fact that the food and the nutrition facts are readily > >available, I find that it keeps me full surprisingly long. Especially once I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Crafting Mom > YMMV etc etc JMHO I like the articles that Rob C. @ cockeyed.com writes and the goofy things he and his friends do. This is a little off-topic, but he did an experiment about eating out for 1 month:
http://www.cockeyed.com/science/eating_out/mar1.html
He spent like $600 eating out vs. a little over $300 buying groceries. Even going the fast food diet route, for one person it'd work out to around $13-$15/day(around $3 for breakfast, $5 for lunch, & $5 for dinner, roughly) x 30 days = $390. Buying groceries & eating out a couple of times for one month would work out to around $200-$225(assuming Michigan grocery prices, Rob lives out in California where groceries are a little more expensive).
Whenever we go on vacation and have to eat out at every meal, it gets sickening, usually by the 3rd day. Couldn't imagine eating out every meal in order to lose weight...
Matty
Annabel Smyth - 27 Jul 2004 16:31 GMT >Whenever we go on vacation and have to eat out at every meal, it gets >sickening, usually by the 3rd day. Couldn't imagine eating out every meal in >order to lose weight... For that very reason, we try to go self-catering when possible. A nuisance to have to cook, but at least you don't have to eat restaurant food every day.
Mind you, in the USA the portions are so huge that if you had some means of heating them up, like a microwave oven, in the hotel room, you'd never need to eat out more than once every two or three days!
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Tulip Tracy - 27 Jul 2004 21:32 GMT It can be tough but it can definitley be done. McDonald's has some healthy salads that I get when I need something quick and cheap and didn't bring my lunch to work.
I heard about a few other people that ate at McD's and lost weight, which speaks a lot to the validity of Spurlock's "diet" during Super Size Me. One of them, Chazz Weaver, is actually a physical trainer. <http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040727/latu018_1.html>
> > >Apart from the fact that the food and the nutrition facts are readily > > >available, I find that it keeps me full surprisingly long. Especially [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Matty Lictor - 03 Aug 2004 12:44 GMT > Y'know, most people would assume that I would be the first person to > rail against such an idea. But I know people who are slim and fit, and > they eat pretty much nothing BUT junk food. They just aren't seen > stuffing their faces every time they get up off their chairs. Decrease > frequency of eating and sure enough, it's possible to eat any darned > thing you please :) Go Figure ;-) Actually, if you take the hunger/satiety road like I did, it's *easier* to do on stuff like McDonald... At least as a starter to get proper feelings. I wouldn't eat there daily, because I just don't see the point, but over than that, I don't see why you should automatically get obese from eating there. Some people manage very well to get obese on healthy food too... Worse, some people get obese from light fat free/sugar free food... Anyway, it's easier because : - Dense food tends to trigger more clear cut satiety response. Getting the clues that you have eaten enough from low density food (fat free veggies...) is very subtle. On the other hand, while eating French fries or dense chocolate brownies, the satiety feeling is so clear cut it feels like a punch in the gut, just from one mouthfull to the next-I'm-not-hungry-anymore. - Satiety has a lot to do with how satisfied you are with the taste (that's the psychosensorial part). At first, the food tastes great, then you being to notice you don't like that taste that much, that there is too much salt, too much fat... It's easier to perceive on food you are very familiar with and like. If you were to try it on tripe, you would likely not notice much variation : it tastes awfull, it tastes a bit more awfull... Eating the food with which you are familliar, and in a monotonous way can be a great way to notice that satiety feeling. I initially trained by eating the same unique food for lunch for several days. First French fries, then cakes, then cheese... It's a good way, if a little boring, to find your mark, because you become very sensible to the small variations that come with satiety from such a monotonous food...
Mary M - Ohio - 03 Aug 2004 13:32 GMT > - Dense food tends to trigger more clear cut satiety response. Getting the > clues that you have eaten enough from low density food (fat free veggies...) > is very subtle. On the other hand, while eating French fries or dense > chocolate brownies, the satiety feeling is so clear cut it feels like a > punch in the gut, just from one mouthfull to the > next-I'm-not-hungry-anymore. This may be your experience, but certainly not mine. Back in the day, I could eat French fries and brownies until I was physically ill, and then eat some more. Some people do not get the satiety feeling from junk food. I never, ever did.
> - Satiety has a lot to do with how satisfied you are with the taste (that's > the psychosensorial part). At first, the food tastes great, then you being > to notice you don't like that taste that much, that there is too much salt, > too much fat... That was never my experience with the "high-satiety" foods you mention. Brownies or French fries only made me hungrier, never fuller.
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Ignoramus7404 - 03 Aug 2004 13:51 GMT > This may be your experience, but certainly not mine. Back in the > day, I could eat French fries and brownies until I was physically > ill, and then eat some more. Some people do not get the satiety > feeling from junk food. I never, ever did. I personally do not get a satiety feeling from anything except fat.
If I eat a bunch of fat, of any sort, I may get a feeling that I simply do not want to eat anymore. Lean meat, to a lesser extent.
Everything else does not give me the feeling satiety, I simply know, intellectually, where to stop, and can stop. (portion control)
All commercial/prepared food, including McDonalds, besides being a ripoff financially, is made so that it is hard to stop eating it, for obvious profit reasons. Of all commercial food, McDonalds is quite possibly the better food.
McDonalds serves all kinds of foods, sundae, brownies and french fries being the worse example, and hamburgers being better examples, as far as my own diet preferences go.
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Lictor - 03 Aug 2004 20:10 GMT > This may be your experience, but certainly not mine. Back in the day, I could eat > French fries and brownies until I was physically ill, and then eat some more. Some > people do not get the satiety feeling from junk food. I never, ever did. Oh, that was my experience too, before I seriously tried to listen to what my body was trying to say... There was a time when I could eat a 600g (1.3lbs) industrial pound cake at 4pm and *still* eat a dinner after that (or throw up to make some room and have dinner anyway, or a second cake plus dinner or something crazy like that). Besides, I don't think it's a matter of junk food or not... I wouldn't consider cheese or nuts junk food either, and I get the exact same feeling with them... This is an experiment and exercise I have done with plenty of food during my "training" : French fries, cheese, cakes, cookies, chocolate, nuts... Some felt stronger than others (cake was especially impressive, one mouthfull to the next and *poof* felt the cake uneappealing), but there was always a point when I could detect I had had enough...
> That was never my experience with the "high-satiety" foods you mention. Brownies or > French fries only made me hungrier, never fuller. Well, if it was so simple, there would not be any overweight people, right? ;) It actually very easy to set your mind in such a way that you completely wreck your regulation systems. So easy it's frightening. When I think I could eat *600g* of high calorie stuff (I mean, cake like that is around 500 cal per 100g - that's 3000 cals in one go!) and only feel a slight stomach unease, it sounds crazy. Nowadays, if I try to eat a single waffle after my dinner when I'm not hungry anymore, I will just find it unappealing. If I do force myself to eat it, I will feel nauseated and heavy. The brain is indeed a frightening and powerful thing... I do some talks with my nutritionist about other patients. She has had people who take a long while to recover proper feelings. One of the women she's treating is only beginning to feel when she's hungry, after one year of trying. But she still cannot experience satiety fully...
Cplus - 27 Jul 2004 19:22 GMT > Hi everybody, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Matthew You've obviously have missed the total point of his documentary.
Avatar - 27 Jul 2004 19:41 GMT >> Hi everybody, >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >You've obviously have missed the total point of his documentary. Bush is to blame? ---
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McMatthew - 27 Jul 2004 19:57 GMT > >You've obviously have missed the total point of his documentary. So what do you think IS the point of the movie???
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Avatar - 27 Jul 2004 20:00 GMT >> >You've obviously have missed the total point of his documentary. > >So what do you think IS the point of the movie??? > >Matthew No I didn't. I commented on someone else saying that someone else missed the point of the documentary. ---
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Ignoramus25231 - 27 Jul 2004 20:03 GMT What would be greatly interesting is to measure your blood lipids prior to and post that one month.
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Helena - 29 Jul 2004 17:15 GMT > So what do you think IS the point of the movie??? > > Matthew The point and what was delivered are two different things-I'm still up in arms as to what the real point was-although I found some humor in it I was left wondering if he wanted to tell a story or document it.
Mary M - Ohio - 27 Jul 2004 19:54 GMT The old-grease taste notwithstanding, can you really enjoy such preservative-filled, sodium-soaked manufactured "food"? There is nothing to compare to the taste of real food -- fresh vegetables bursting with flavor on their own and not drowned in salty or gloppy sauces -- fresh grilled chicken breast that hasn't been soaked in a salty brine -- sweet crispy or creamy fruits that are satisfying and good for you. Most of the foods at fast food restaurants are so far from the original source that they are nearly unrecognizable -- do yourself a favor and spare your body from McDonald's.
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> Hi everybody, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Matthew Avatar - 27 Jul 2004 20:12 GMT On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:54:14 -0400, "Mary M - Ohio"
>Mary M >325-160-148 Damn! you are half the woman you once were!
I salute you! ---
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Mary M - Ohio - 27 Jul 2004 20:34 GMT > On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:54:14 -0400, "Mary M - Ohio" > >Mary M > >325-160-148 > Damn! you are half the woman you once were! > I salute you! Thank you -- 100 lbs off for 19 years -- 70-75 more lbs off since May 2002. For photo evidence see http://www.zorn.co.nz/mary/
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Avatar - 27 Jul 2004 20:46 GMT >> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:54:14 -0400, "Mary M - Ohio" >> >Mary M [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Mary You look wonderful. Shows that hard work pays off and it is all worth it. Kudos. ---
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Annabel Smyth - 28 Jul 2004 11:10 GMT >> On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 14:54:14 -0400, "Mary M - Ohio" >> >Mary M [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >2002. For photo >evidence see http://www.zorn.co.nz/mary/ Well done!
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Jeff Carlyle - 29 Jul 2004 14:59 GMT While I think it would be ill-advised to eat only one type of food every day, there is nothing wrong with having McDonald's from time to time. I like the taste of their french fries and chicken sandwich and its a nice comfort food for me. You can still maintain a healthy diet even if you give in to the ocassional Big Mac craving. Just be sure to get lots of fruits and veggies and hit the gym.
> The old-grease taste notwithstanding, can you really enjoy such preservative-filled, > sodium-soaked manufactured "food"? There is nothing to compare to the taste of real [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > > > Matthew aleroona - 29 Jul 2004 20:41 GMT > While I think it would be ill-advised to eat only one type of food > every day, there is nothing wrong with having McDonald's from time to [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > > > > > Matthew I agree with you completely. The same holds true not just for fast food, but for all food.
Matthew -- I'd be really interested in seeing how your little experiment ends. Keep us posted, and good luck!!
Mack - 31 Jul 2004 01:16 GMT I don't see the big deal of eating fast food. Why do ppl degrade it that much.Because it makes us fat. Not really,you have to control of what you put in your mouth.I ate mcdonalds almost every single day and lost 80 pounds in 3 months.I'll tell you how I did it.I ate once a day,around 9pm,i ordered a either a bigmac meal,or mcchicken meal,supersized,but i drank diet coke instead of the regular coke.That's roughly 1000 calories. I did absolutely no real excercise.Sure i may have walked here or there,or moved quite a bit a day,but it's not like i got my water bottle and went for a run or a walk on a path.I just had bloodwork done a few days ago,my cholesterol is now in the normal range,my blood pressure is amazing,and everything else is "perfect" according to the doctor.Hmmm yeah mcdonalds is really that bad.
It matters how many calories you eat.Hell if you like the taste of vegetables,or fruits go for it,personally,i dont like to eat fruits or vegetables.But i do get my nutrients from all the different types of vitamins i take in the morning.And no my metabolism has no decresed.Since the end of my 3 months mcdonalds diet,i have been eating around 3000 calories a day,and weight training for about 45 minutes a day+ a bike ride around my community,and i have not gained a single pound.I'm still losing about 2 pounds of pure fat a week.My resting heart rate is in the normal range.I weighed about 270 lbs,now im about 170 and i'm cut.Thanks mcdonalds.I liked the food i ate.Sure i starved myself during the day,but it was so easy because i knew in the evening a nice bigmac meal was waiting for me.Sure it was salty and it had alot of fat,but it tasted so goddamn good.And i slept like a baby feeling satisfied and full.
I think the ppl that say how could you eat such salty fatty stuff are just jealous maybe that they can't eat that stuff bcuz if they do,they cant control their appetite and end up gaining weight.So by telling others how could u eat this,its bad for you,they are actually trying to make themselves feel better that others cant enjoy it.Greedy bastards.We only live once,I'm not going deprive myself of anything.But the secret is moderation.It's not all or nothing.That's why "diets" fail.Ppl either completely give up the foods they love completely until they snap.Then they say this diet doesnt work.That's bull.Any diet out there works,u just have to eat less.
Ppl who say atkins doesnt work are the ones who failed it.Atkins works because it supresses appetite because of ketosis.But theres nothing magical about it.it works if u keep ur calories low.High carb works if u keep ur calories low.Warrior diet works if u keep ur calories low. The zone works if u keep ur calories low.See the pattern.Calories is the key.Excercise burns calories.U can eat 3 pizzas a day and lose a shitload of fat if u excercise like a mofo.
Mack 5'9 male 270/170/180 started march 20/04
Mary M - Ohio - 31 Jul 2004 13:39 GMT > I think the ppl that say how could you eat such salty fatty stuff are > just jealous maybe that they can't eat that stuff bcuz if they do,they [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > completely until they snap.Then they say this diet doesnt work.That's > bull.Any diet out there works,u just have to eat less. Well since I said that McDonald's was substandard taste-wise, I'll rise to your bait -- I certainly am not "jealous" of anyone who eats that crap -- what a childish joke. Yes, we only live once and that's why I decided to quit eating substandard junk -- so that I could thoroughly enjoy that life. And I haven't "snapped" in the 19 years that I have been eating healthy, so your theory is incorrect. I could happily live for the rest of my life without ever eating or even contemplating eating McDonald's.
Mary 325-160-148
Mack - 31 Jul 2004 22:42 GMT > > I think the ppl that say how could you eat such salty fatty stuff are > > just jealous maybe that they can't eat that stuff bcuz if they do,they [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Mary > 325-160-148 Obviously you're having trouble understanding what i wrote.I clearly said "I THINK" which means it was just an opinion, thus it is not a theory. It was only my opinion and what I think. I did not say that was indeed a fact.Everybody is different,I write what I think,and you write what you think,of course we may very well disagree on certain things,or see things differently,that's no problem.I was not attacking you or anybody for that matter.And I'm really happy for your progress and I'm sure your hard work really paid off.Hey if it works for you then what the hell,keep it up,good job.I know that losing weight is often quite hard to achieve and keepin it off is even harder,so we are all here to help each other.The whole point of my post was to say that eating "junk food" is not always bad.The junk food image is wayyyy overrated IMO,it's not as bad as ppl make it.You have to know whats in the food you're eating,you can't blame anything on junk food.Those ppl that sue these fast food joints are just after money that's it.I mean you can make burgers with the exact same contents at home,using readily available foods in your fridge,and what if you gain weight,who is there to sue? You can also be eating the healthiest , most natural foods like fresh chicken breasts,vegetables,fruits,and still gain weight.What it comes down to is calories,that's what some ppl still dont want to understand.They think if i eat pizza i'm gonna get fat.That's not true,if you eat TOO MUCH pizza,you will gain weight,if you eat pizza moderately,you will not gain weight.Sure make your own pizza,eat as much as you would eat at the restaurant,will you still gain weight.Of course you will because of all the calories you're ingesting.
Mary M - Ohio - 01 Aug 2004 21:18 GMT > > > I think the ppl that say how could you eat such salty fatty stuff are > > > just jealous maybe that they can't eat that stuff bcuz if they do,they [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > gain weight.Of course you will because of all the calories you're > ingesting. I understand all you say -- I just tend to get a little jumpy when people say that it's OK for people to eat every and any food in moderation -- for some like me that just isn't true, like the way alcoholics cannot have "just a little" or "just one shot." So it was with me and sugar, which I have not had in 19 years (and like some recovering alcoholics I probably can be a little oversensitive/emotional on the issue and tend to jump in front of bullets, because I know how important it was in regaining my health and truly my life. How could a 325-lb. 23-year-old expect not to keep gaining and gaining on the same old habits?) And the blessing is that no longer do I not crave that stuff anymore, it is actually a bit nauseating to even think of -- that's how far my health habits have been ingrained. Well enough rambling. You have done very very well on your progress too and I salute you.
Mary
Heywood Mogroot - 02 Aug 2004 04:14 GMT > and gaining on the same old habits?) And the blessing is that no longer do I > not crave that stuff anymore, it is actually a bit nauseating to even think > of -- that's how far my health habits have been ingrained. my pov is I had enough of that crap when I was getting fat to need to eat it now. It didn't do any good for me then so why would I want to eat it now?
Not wanting it in the first place is the easiest way to win the battle.
I can fit semi-healthy stuff into my current WOE, like Quiznos, but obviously even that is showing some disrespect to the plan.
"anything in moderation" does work for many people, but simplifying one's diet by just categorically removing crap also works, and is less hassle really.
As long as nobody is pointing a gun to my head I'll be able to pass on ice cream for instance. BTDT, as it were, and a half cup serving of ice cream isn't really worth it, is it?
Woody - 02 Aug 2004 20:04 GMT Good job Matthew. Here is my take on the diet:
www.liquidcalories.com
Woody
> > and gaining on the same old habits?) And the blessing is that no longer do I > > not crave that stuff anymore, it is actually a bit nauseating to even think [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > ice cream for instance. BTDT, as it were, and a half cup serving of > ice cream isn't really worth it, is it? Mary M - Ohio - 03 Aug 2004 13:18 GMT > my pov is I had enough of that crap when I was getting fat to need to > eat it now. It didn't do any good for me then so why would I want to > eat it now? > > Not wanting it in the first place is the easiest way to win the > battle. This has been the best part to me -- not wanting it anymore.
> I can fit semi-healthy stuff into my current WOE, like Quiznos, but > obviously even that is showing some disrespect to the plan. I agree -- I still have my few
> "anything in moderation" does work for many people, but simplifying > one's diet by just categorically removing crap also works, and is less > hassle really. I think so too -- and I do think that "anything in moderation" does work for many people, just like many people don't think twice about whether they are drinking alcohol or not -- but for others who (physically, genetically) can't handle it, it is a crucial issue in their lives, and they cannot have "just a little and then stop."
> As long as nobody is pointing a gun to my head I'll be able to pass on > ice cream for instance. BTDT, as it were, and a half cup serving of > ice cream isn't really worth it, is it? Well you've just hit on one of the things I have trouble giving up -- I usually do well but yes, I would say one-half cup would definitely be worth eating! :-) The way I have solved the ice cream problem is to get single servings at ice cream places -- that way I don't have a half-gallon calling my name till it's gone. Allergic to milk anyway so staying away from ice cream for the most part hasn't been too bad.
Mary
Ignoramus7404 - 03 Aug 2004 13:52 GMT > I think so too -- and I do think that "anything in moderation" does > work for many people, just like many people don't think twice about > whether they are drinking alcohol or not -- but for others who > (physically, genetically) can't handle it, it is a crucial issue in > their lives, and they cannot have "just a little and then stop." Moderation does not work for me where, say, sugar is concerned.
It works for me where other foods are concerned (mainly those I never liked much, like potatoes).
Your idea that one can live a satisfying life without any added sugar, was a good motivator for me initially.
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janice - 03 Aug 2004 16:17 GMT >Moderation does not work for me where, say, sugar is concerned. > >It works for me where other foods are concerned (mainly those I never >liked much, like potatoes). That seems fairly obvious to me. I never give stomach space to foods I don't like much. If the world was made of black pudding I guess I'd be cured of overeating for good:)
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Ignoramus7404 - 03 Aug 2004 16:28 GMT >>Moderation does not work for me where, say, sugar is concerned. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I don't like much. If the world was made of black pudding I guess I'd > be cured of overeating for good:) Good point. To be fair, moderation works for me even for some foods that I like, for instance nuts or fruits. But I know that if I started to eat sweets, it would be a quick slippery slope to overeating.
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Aquarijen - 03 Aug 2004 17:53 GMT > >>Moderation does not work for me where, say, sugar is concerned. > >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > i If I am hungry in the afternoon and I have, say, a chocolate bar, I will feel hungrier after consuming it than I was in the first place. This doesn't happen to me with fruits though. I can eat fruit and be satisfied. Now dried fruit *is* my candy. -Jennifer
AmyGemini - 04 Aug 2004 14:53 GMT Loved the site - very funny diary - Good Luck!
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