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Week 28

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Dewolla Stepon - 27 Jul 2004 14:37 GMT
Not an exciting week, but a productive one.  I lost 2.7 pounds and am almost
down to size 16!  Following the recommendations of my nutritionalist I am
trying to keep my fats below 30% of total calories and proteins below 15%.
Not quite there yet, but very close!  I've had to rebalance my old eating
plan, it threw me off for one or two days but I'm synced up now.  I had been
using a spreadsheet to track and calculate my nutritional information and
now have had to add subtotals by each of six daily meals to make certain I'm
getting a proper balance of nutrition for each meal and that my carbs are
distributed reasonably evenly throughout the day.

Fourteen pounds to go to my goal, ten weeks to goal date, should be doable.

- Dewolla Stepon
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268/189./199 - Phase 1 (obese to healthy)
199/189/175 - Phase 2 (midpoint of healthy range)

WEEKLY STATS:

My Age 54
Began Diet On    13-Jan-04
Today's Date    27-Jul-04
Goal Date    5-Oct-04
My Height    75"
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Beginning Weight 267.9
Today's Weight    189.0
Weight Change to date    -78.9
Percent body weight loss to date 29%
Weight Change this week    -2.7
Weight Left to Lose    14.0
Weight Loss per week to meet goal    1.4
Beginning BMI    33.5
Today's BMI    23.6
BMI Change to date    -9.9
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Average Daily Calories this week    1385.2
Average Daily WW Points this week    26.3
Fat Calorie pct this week    30%
Carb Calorie pct this week    53%
Protein Calorie pct this week    17%
Ignoramus25231 - 27 Jul 2004 14:48 GMT
Congrats!

How is your blood sugar behaving on your diet?

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Dewolla Stepon - 27 Jul 2004 15:19 GMT
> Congrats!

Thanks!

> How is your blood sugar behaving on your diet?

Since I don't check it daily, I don't know.  I'm having no demonstrable
symptoms of high BG like I did last year (small spells of blurred vision,
extreme lethargy, moodiness).  I have a follow-up with my doctor in December
and will have my random glucose and A1C checked again at that time.

- Dewolla
Ignoramus25231 - 27 Jul 2004 15:24 GMT
>> Congrats!
>
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>
> - Dewolla

That's nice to hear. Bg monitors are very cheap these days, plus, your
insurance can probably be made to pay for a nice one...

I am very glad for you. My dad and mom go to a doctor this saturday.

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Beverly - 27 Jul 2004 14:50 GMT
Wow Dewolla!  You just continue to make steady progress.  I'm always amazed
at the level of detail tracked by many in the group.  I'm just pleased if I
can manage to track my WW points each day<g>

Congratulations and it sure looks like you'll have no problems making your
goal.

Beverly

> Not an exciting week, but a productive one.  I lost 2.7 pounds and am almost
> down to size 16!  Following the recommendations of my nutritionalist I am
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> Carb Calorie pct this week    53%
> Protein Calorie pct this week    17%
Dewolla Stepon - 27 Jul 2004 15:23 GMT
> Wow Dewolla!  You just continue to make steady progress.  I'm always amazed
> at the level of detail tracked by many in the group.  I'm just pleased if I
> can manage to track my WW points each day<g>

Its my certifiable perfectionism and personality type that makes me want to
keep track of everything.  You ought to see my spreadsheet; it really is
extreme.

> Congratulations and it sure looks like you'll have no problems making your
> goal.

Thanks Beverly!

- Dewolla

> > Not an exciting week, but a productive one.  I lost 2.7 pounds and am
> almost
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> > Carb Calorie pct this week    53%
> > Protein Calorie pct this week    17%
SnugBear - 28 Jul 2004 03:05 GMT
> Its my certifiable perfectionism and personality type that makes me
> want to keep track of everything.  You ought to see my spreadsheet; it
> really is extreme.

Spreadsheets are very cool <g>  I'm not sure how some people get along
without them.  I had to add a sheet to track my biking!

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janice - 27 Jul 2004 19:39 GMT
Good for you Dewolla - you continue to go from strength to strength:)
janice

>Not an exciting week, but a productive one.  I lost 2.7 pounds and am almost
>down to size 16!  Following the recommendations of my nutritionalist I am
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>Carb Calorie pct this week    53%
>Protein Calorie pct this week    17%
Chris Braun - 28 Jul 2004 02:26 GMT
>Not an exciting week, but a productive one.  I lost 2.7 pounds and am almost
>down to size 16!  Following the recommendations of my nutritionalist I am
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>Fourteen pounds to go to my goal, ten weeks to goal date, should be doable.

Congrats -- you're doing great!  But why does your nutritionist want
you to keep your protein so low??

Chris -- who tries to never let protein drop below 30% :-)
262/143/(145-150)
Dewolla Stepon - 28 Jul 2004 13:27 GMT
> >Not an exciting week, but a productive one.  I lost 2.7 pounds and am almost
> >down to size 16!  Following the recommendations of my nutritionalist I am
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> Congrats -- you're doing great!  But why does your nutritionist want
> you to keep your protein so low??

With diabetes is an increased risk of kidney disease, and excess protein
puts a strain on the kidneys.

- Dewolla
Ignoramus31782 - 28 Jul 2004 14:05 GMT
>> >Not an exciting week, but a productive one.  I lost 2.7 pounds and am
> almost
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> With diabetes is an increased risk of kidney disease, and excess protein
> puts a strain on the kidneys.

Dewolla, I would like to piggyback a little bit on what Dally said and
mention a few things.

One is that for a diabetic, frequent blood glucose testing is
essential.

Waiting until winter to do your Hba1c test and doing no testing of
your own, is not a rational strategy at all. Especially given that
most likely, your blood testing supplies would be covered by
insurance. Even if not, $40 or so you would spend on a cheap meter and
strips and lancets, is a cheap price to pay compared to having legs
amputated, going blind, dying from heart disease etc.

If your nutritionist did not advise you to test your blood glucose
often, it is basically time to get another nutritionist. This one
would be hopeless in this case.

Another point is that there is nothing worse for kidneys than high
blood glucose levels (even if they are high only for part of the
day). Also, healthy kidneys are not strained by protein. We were made
to eat it.

See http://www.lowcarbresearch.org/lcr/results.asp?catid=207, or
medline article  10578207 (" Moderate changes in dietary protein
intake cause adaptive alterations in renal size and function without
indications of adverse effects."). I can give you more references if
you are interested.

Also, even though this was not mentioned, low carb diets are
frequently labeled by ignorant people as "high protein diets". While
some low carbers may eat a lot of protein, the great majority of low
carbers eat a high fat diet, not high protein diet. If your
nutritionist tells you that low carb diets are high protein diets,
again, getting a more educated nutritionist would be wise.

Try joining alt.support.diabetes, it is a great newsgroup with
numerous people keeping up on research, actually keeping their
diabetes under control, etc.

Your high carb diet might work -- and it might not work -- because you
are restricting your calories and exercising. There is a good chance
that it does not work, but you won't know that unless you test your
blood sugar during the day. There is also a good chance that even if
it works, it will stop workig at some point (like when you start
eating more to maintain your weight).

I do not mean to patronize you or anything, what I said are the most
basic common sense things that are well known and not really
disputable.

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Dewolla Stepon - 28 Jul 2004 15:25 GMT
Thank you.  I prefer to take my medical advice from my own physician.  No
offense meant, but I don't know you (or Dally, or anyone here) from Adam's
off ox.  My relationship with physician goes back many years; he has saved
my life twice; he is highly respected by his peers and I trust him
completely.

Intimating my health care professionals are irrational and hopeless is not
welcomed by me.  I accept the blame for opening the door; I foolishly posted
my nutritional details and thereby left myself open to criticism from anyone
who has an opinion and internet access.

- Dewolla

> >> >Not an exciting week, but a productive one.  I lost 2.7 pounds and am
> > almost
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Ignoramus31782 - 28 Jul 2004 15:34 GMT
Good luck with not testing your blood glucose with diabetes.

I take no offense, personally, and wish you good health, and hope you
continue with your diet program.

i

> Thank you.  I prefer to take my medical advice from my own physician.  No
> offense meant, but I don't know you (or Dally, or anyone here) from Adam's
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Dewolla Stepon - 28 Jul 2004 15:41 GMT
And good luck to you.

- Dewolla

> Good luck with not testing your blood glucose with diabetes.
>
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Ignoramus31782 - 28 Jul 2004 15:49 GMT
> And good luck to you.

Thank you.

When I post details about my life, I find that there are benefits and
disadvantages. It goes both ways, but for me, the benefits outweigh
disadvantages.

i
Chris Braun - 29 Jul 2004 00:56 GMT
>> Congrats -- you're doing great!  But why does your nutritionist want
>> you to keep your protein so low??
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>
>- Dewolla

Ah -- I didn't know that about diabetes.  But that is an issue with
high protein consumption, I know.

I hope my question didn't offend you.  I didn't mean to second guess
you or your nutritionist.  I just thought it was an unusual constraint
and was curious about the reason.

Chris
jayjay - 29 Jul 2004 15:48 GMT
>>> Congrats -- you're doing great!  But why does your nutritionist want
>>> you to keep your protein so low??
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>
>Chris

I believe the latest studies show that a good portion of protein
should be about .8 to 1 gram per pound of body weight.   And this is
for your *average* person

For someone like me that would be about - 100 - 130g per day.   Which
equates to about 400 - 520 cals per day and on a 1200 cal/day
restricted calorie diet that equates to 30% to 40% of my intake.  

Granted, I'm not diabetic nor borderline, so that isn't an issue with
me, but I was under the impression that diabetics or even those who
are borderline should limit their carbs, not get most of their
calories from them...  

"No. No.  Our private conversations have not been such that I'm anxious to continue them.  Forgive me for speaking so bluntly, but it is the truth." --as Joel Cairo in THE MALTESE FALCON (1941).
Dally - 28 Jul 2004 05:17 GMT
> Not an exciting week, but a productive one.  I lost 2.7 pounds and am almost
> down to size 16!  Following the recommendations of my nutritionalist I am
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> getting a proper balance of nutrition for each meal and that my carbs are
> distributed reasonably evenly throughout the day.

Your nutritionist has told you to make sure you get most of your
calories from carbs?

I'm trying to think of something nice to say about this.

Let me put it this way: I find that I lose weight best and feel the most
sated when I can manage to keep my carbs UNDER 50%.  I aim for 25-35% of
my calories from protein and the same range for fats.  I find this menu
to be so much more satiating and sustainable on a tight calorie budget.

Your mileage may vary, of course, but be warned that 50% of all
nutritionists graduated in the bottom half of their class.

Dally
Dewolla Stepon - 28 Jul 2004 13:46 GMT
> > Not an exciting week, but a productive one.  I lost 2.7 pounds and am almost
> > down to size 16!  Following the recommendations of my nutritionalist I am
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>
> I'm trying to think of something nice to say about this.

Remember Thumper's mom?  "If you can't think of something nice to say, say
nothing at all."

> Let me put it this way: I find that I lose weight best and feel the most
> sated when I can manage to keep my carbs UNDER 50%.  I aim for 25-35% of
> my calories from protein and the same range for fats.  I find this menu
> to be so much more satiating and sustainable on a tight calorie budget.

I'm losing an average of 2.89 pounds per week since January 13th, I haven't
been hungry at all since I started eating 6 meals per day and increased my
fat intake.

> Your mileage may vary, of course, but be warned that 50% of all
> nutritionists graduated in the bottom half of their class.

My mileage does vary.

- Dewolla
Ignoramus31782 - 28 Jul 2004 14:32 GMT
>> Your mileage may vary, of course, but be warned that 50% of all
>> nutritionists graduated in the bottom half of their class.
>
> My mileage does vary.

It is very easy to find out if your diet is working wrt blood sugar
control.

Simply test your blood sugar throughout the day with a glucometer.

You could very well be right, or Dally could very well be right.

If you find that your blood sugar is stable, re-test again after you
enter weight maintenance.

That you feel better is already a very good sign, though.

i
 
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