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Elly - 28 Jul 2004 19:24 GMT
I decided to try again with the dieting seriously this time on Friday the
16th, but it is easier to do the weigh-in and updates weekly, so I decided
Monday should be the day for the official weigh-in and updates.

Weight = 87 kg or 191.4  lbs - went down 2 kg (or 4.4 lbs) :-)

I actually saw a glimpse of 86.5 kg on the scale today, but I stepped on the
scale twice, and the average weight is 87 kg. I will be SO happy when I
finally go below the 85 number!

Measurements:
- breasts: 103.5 cm (I lost 3.5 cm in a month)
- waist: 88 cm
- belly button: 103.5 cm
- hips: 118 cm
- thigh: 64 cm (I lost 1 cm in a month)
- calf: 41 cm

According to FitDay, the average carb intake was 39 grams, and the average
calorie intake was 1304.

Average calories spent through exercise per day were: 341

Starting weight BMI = 33.1 / current BMI = 32.4 (down 0.7%)
Starting BF% = 31.1% / current BF% = 30.6% (down 0.5 %)

First of all, I have to say that I changed my starting weight and
consequently my mini-goal, since the scale was wrong: the starting weight
was 89 kg or 195.8 lbs, and the mini-goal weight by August 20th is 84 to 85
kg, or 184.8 - 187 lbs.

So, the first week wasn't so difficult. I was firm with myself and others
about what I should/shouldn't eat, and I didn't have any cravings (though
I'm not sure how I will do this week, since it's the PMS time again!), and
sometimes I even felt so full at lunch that I didn't feel any hunger at
dinner time. My two high carb days per week up the average weekly carb
intake a lot, though, but it is important for me not to give up whole wheat
pasta /black rice /black bread altogether, otherwise maintenance would be
too difficult for me (plus I am breastfeeding, plus I want to be on a
balanced WOE, plus this is how I did it the last time around and it has
shown good results!).
I really should spend more time exercising; I did expect the musculfiber to
kick in after the first couple of days, and it did, but I didn't do my home
fitness routine since Wednesday. However, I did swim on Thursday and
Sunday... It is so hot here, sometimes it is really hard to find the
motivation... But now that I saw that "87" number on the scale, that should
be the motivation enough - this *can* be done, I *did* lose the initial 2 kg
(water weight mostly, I know, but still!) and I think my mini-goal of
reaching 85 - 84 kg (cca 185 to 187 lbs) by 8/20 *is* obtainable.

Elly
breastfeeding mom of a 9mo, following the balanced low carb WOE
Mid July 2004: 195.8 / 191.4 lbs / mini-goal by August 20th:  184.8 to 187
lbs
sometime in the (distant) future: 150 lbs
Ignoramus5882 - 28 Jul 2004 19:33 GMT
*  I decided to try again with the dieting seriously this time on Friday the
*  16th, but it is easier to do the weigh-in and updates weekly, so I decided
*  Monday should be the day for the official weigh-in and updates.
*  
*  Weight = 87 kg or 191.4  lbs - went down 2 kg (or 4.4 lbs) :-)
*  
*  I actually saw a glimpse of 86.5 kg on the scale today, but I stepped on the
*  scale twice, and the average weight is 87 kg. I will be SO happy when I
*  finally go below the 85 number!
*  
*  Measurements:
*  - breasts: 103.5 cm (I lost 3.5 cm in a month)
*  - waist: 88 cm
*  - belly button: 103.5 cm
*  - hips: 118 cm
*  - thigh: 64 cm (I lost 1 cm in a month)
*  - calf: 41 cm
*  
*  According to FitDay, the average carb intake was 39 grams, and the average
*  calorie intake was 1304.
*  
*  Average calories spent through exercise per day were: 341
*  
*  Starting weight BMI = 33.1 / current BMI = 32.4 (down 0.7%)
*  Starting BF% = 31.1% / current BF% = 30.6% (down 0.5 %)
*  
*  First of all, I have to say that I changed my starting weight and
*  consequently my mini-goal, since the scale was wrong: the starting weight
*  was 89 kg or 195.8 lbs, and the mini-goal weight by August 20th is 84 to 85
*  kg, or 184.8 - 187 lbs.

It's nice to have a good quantifiable picture of where you started.

*  So, the first week wasn't so difficult. I was firm with myself and others
*  about what I should/shouldn't eat, and I didn't have any cravings (though
*  I'm not sure how I will do this week, since it's the PMS time again!), and
*  sometimes I even felt so full at lunch that I didn't feel any hunger at
*  dinner time. My two high carb days per week up the average weekly carb
*  intake a lot, though, but it is important for me not to give up whole wheat
*  pasta /black rice /black bread altogether, otherwise maintenance would be
*  too difficult for me (plus I am breastfeeding, plus I want to be on a
*  balanced WOE, plus this is how I did it the last time around and it has
*  shown good results!).

Not many people would call eating 39 carbs per day (12% of 1300
calories) a balanced diet, not that I see anything wrong with how you
eat.

*  I really should spend more time exercising; I did expect the musculfiber to
*  kick in after the first couple of days, and it did, but I didn't do my home
*  fitness routine since Wednesday. However, I did swim on Thursday and
*  Sunday... It is so hot here, sometimes it is really hard to find the
*  motivation... But now that I saw that "87" number on the scale, that should
*  be the motivation enough - this *can* be done, I *did* lose the initial 2 kg
*  (water weight mostly, I know, but still!) and I think my mini-goal of
*  reaching 85 - 84 kg (cca 185 to 187 lbs) by 8/20 *is* obtainable.

My honest opinion is that calorie wise, you do almost enough
exercise. I would add some calisthenics like chair pushups and
bodyweight squats.

i
Elly - 28 Jul 2004 19:59 GMT
> Not many people would call eating 39 carbs per day (12% of 1300
> calories) a balanced diet, not that I see anything wrong with how you
> eat.

I forgot to mention that I'm under the weekly supervision of my GP who is
also a registered nutritionist and he, being my GP since I was 14, knowing
about
my health status and about the hypothyroid problem, suggested this approach
(and the daily carb intake of 40 grams).

> My honest opinion is that calorie wise, you do almost enough
> exercise. I would add some calisthenics like chair pushups and
> bodyweight squats.
>
> i

Thanks for the advice! It's still a bit difficult to juggle DD and part-time
work and exercise - sometimes one or the other sort of takes over, but I'll
try to do my best!

Elly
Ignoramus5882 - 28 Jul 2004 20:08 GMT
*  
*  "Ignoramus5882" <ignoramus5882@NOSPAM.5882.invalid> ha scritto nel messaggio
*  news:slrncgfsc9.hb7.ignoramus5882@ak47.algebra.com...
* > Not many people would call eating 39 carbs per day (12% of 1300
* > calories) a balanced diet, not that I see anything wrong with how you
* > eat.
*  

*  I forgot to mention that I'm under the weekly supervision of my GP
*  who is also a registered nutritionist and he, being my GP since I
*  was 14, knowing about my health status and about the hypothyroid
*  problem, suggested this approach (and the daily carb intake of 40
*  grams).

That's great, even though it does not make it "balanced".

*  
* > My honest opinion is that calorie wise, you do almost enough
* > exercise. I would add some calisthenics like chair pushups and
* > bodyweight squats.
* >
* > i
*  
*  Thanks for the advice! It's still a bit difficult to juggle DD and part-time
*  work and exercise - sometimes one or the other sort of takes over, but I'll
*  try to do my best!

The exercises that I suggested, can be done within seconds per set,
in the kitchen. Kids are not am impediment.

Example: 9 month old is crawling around, you perform 7 pushups on the
nearby chair.

Another example: 9 month old sits in the high chair, you perform 15
bodyweight squats in the vicinity.

Another example: 9 month old sits on your belly, you perform crunches,
9 month old will be delighted.

That's the beauty of calisthenics, it requires no special time
commitment, no equipment, no gym to drive to etc. Not having time is
not a valid excuse. If you have free 20 seconds, anywhere, you can do
pushups and squats. If you have carpet, you can do crunches.

i
jmk - 28 Jul 2004 20:19 GMT
> *  
> *  "Ignoramus5882" <ignoramus5882@NOSPAM.5882.invalid> ha scritto nel messaggio
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> That's great, even though it does not make it "balanced".

Out of curiousity, what would you consider balanced?  On what basis did
you determine this?  Why would this be applicable to everyone and not
vary from individual to individual?

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Elly - 28 Jul 2004 21:12 GMT
> > That's great, even though it does not make it "balanced".
>
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> --
> jmk in NC

I know jmk asked Ignoramus, I just wanted to explain why my GP/nutritionist
and I call this diet approach "balanced" -  because it means that, although
the approach is low carb, I didn't give up fruit, whole wheat pasta, black
rice, black bread, etc. (while for many low carb approaches those a no-no).

Elly
Ignoramus5882 - 28 Jul 2004 21:17 GMT
*  
*  "jmk" <jmk446NOT@yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
*  news:2mqch3Fpaqu6U1@uni-berlin.de...
* > > That's great, even though it does not make it "balanced".
* >
* > Out of curiousity, what would you consider balanced?  On what basis did
* > you determine this?  Why would this be applicable to everyone and not
* > vary from individual to individual?
* >
* >
* > --
* > jmk in NC
*  
*  I know jmk asked Ignoramus, I just wanted to explain why my GP/nutritionist
*  and I call this diet approach "balanced" -  because it means that, although
*  the approach is low carb, I didn't give up fruit, whole wheat pasta, black
*  rice, black bread, etc. (while for many low carb approaches those a no-no).

Here's the standard definition of balanced diet.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002449.htm

According to this definition, it includes all foods and follows the
standard food pyramid. Surely, no one can follow it 100%, but a large
deviation from it makes the diet "unbalaned" according to that
definition. Which is to say, Ihave nothing against it.

i
jmk - 29 Jul 2004 12:48 GMT
> *  
> *  "jmk" <jmk446NOT@yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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>
> i

I thought that you were opposed to the food pyramid, ig?  Do you follow
it?  I thought that you were on a pretty low carb, high fat diet, has
that changed recently?

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jmk in NC

Ignoramus2121 - 29 Jul 2004 14:31 GMT
>> *  
>> *  "jmk" <jmk446NOT@yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> it?  I thought that you were on a pretty low carb, high fat diet, has
> that changed recently?

I am not opposed to the food pyramid, as such, I think that it is
suitable for some people and not suitable for others. It is not
suitable for me. Yes, I eat about 50% of calories from fat, and about
25% from carbs, although it changes day to day. I still have a public
fitday journal, which I sometimes use and sometimes (most of the time)
do not.

The definition of a balanced diet that is generally accepted is linked
to the food pyramid. I don't think that getting 12% of calories from
carbs qualifies as a balanced diet according to the official and
generally accepted definition. If you want to introduce your own
definition, it would be better to use some different term. A diet that
is not balanced, according to the official definition, is not
necessarily a bad diet in my eyes. 12% of calories from carbs could be
very appropriate for some people, and the OP seems to eat very well.

Sorry for redundancy, I wanted to try to be clear.

i
jmk - 29 Jul 2004 14:39 GMT
>>>*  
>>>*  "jmk" <jmk446NOT@yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> I am not opposed to the food pyramid, as such, I think that it is
> suitable for some people and not suitable for others.

Not suitable for you but suitable for the OP, I presume based on your
asserttion above?

>  Yes, I eat about 50% of calories from fat, and about
> 25% from carbs, although it changes day to day. I still have a public
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> carbs qualifies as a balanced diet according to the official and
> generally accepted definition.

Neither does getting 50% of your cals from fat when the definition of
balanced that you provide states under 30% of cals for fat.  Neitehr
does getting 25% of your cals from carbs when the definition of balanced
that you provide states 60% of cals from carbs.  If you do not follow
this advice why are you doling it out to others?

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jmk in NC

Ignoramus2121 - 29 Jul 2004 16:53 GMT
>>>>*  
>>>>*  "jmk" <jmk446NOT@yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> Not suitable for you but suitable for the OP, I presume based on your
> asserttion above?

Wrong.

>>  Yes, I eat about 50% of calories from fat, and about
>> 25% from carbs, although it changes day to day. I still have a public
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> that you provide states 60% of cals from carbs.  If you do not follow
> this advice why are you doling it out to others?

I am not suggesting to anyone that they follow a balanced diet. I
simply described the definition of the balanced diet. I am not
following the balanced diet and I did not suggest to the OP that she
follow a balanced diet. I noted though, that some people can handle a
balanced diet.

I specifically remarked to the OP that her diet is excellent, although
not officially "balanced".

Why are you insisting that I am giving advice, which I was not giving?

i
Elly - 29 Jul 2004 14:37 GMT
> Here's the standard definition of balanced diet.
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> i

This may well work for some, but not for me. The food pyramid just isn't
working for me; I tried that, and ended up yo-yoing. That's one of the
reasons my GP/nutritionist came up with this eating plan for me.

Another thing: I don't really believe that one diet can be "balanced" for
everybody - I think what makes the diet "balanced" for a certain person has
a lot to do with the person's age, health status, life style, etc. Certainly
I can't follow the same diet as someone in his 20ies and going to the gym
every day with no hypothyroid issues; or someone is his 50ies with sedentary
lifestyle and heart issues probably wouldn't feel ok following "my" diet
regime. I just don't believe that there is a "balanced diet" for everybody.

As for me - as long as I don't give up anything or decide to give up
something but make a healthy substitution (i.e., switching from ordinary
pasta to whole wheat pasta) and eat in moderation - when I'm hungry and not
after I feel full... it seems to work. And adding exercise to this - it
works much better :-)

Elly
Ignoramus2121 - 29 Jul 2004 14:59 GMT
>> Here's the standard definition of balanced diet.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> working for me; I tried that, and ended up yo-yoing. That's one of the
> reasons my GP/nutritionist came up with this eating plan for me.

Same for me.

> Another thing: I don't really believe that one diet can be
> "balanced" for everybody - I think what makes the diet "balanced"
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> regime. I just don't believe that there is a "balanced diet" for
> everybody.

I think that the word "balanced" has an official definition, but it
also sounds like if a diet is not officially "balanced", then it must
be bad. And I don't think that it is the case.

i
Ignoramus2121 - 29 Jul 2004 18:46 GMT
Found something worthwhile... Losing weight while breastfeeding was
found to be safe, for certain modes of weight loss mentioned here.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=9478032


Effects of maternal caloric restriction and exercise during lactation.

Dewey KG.

Department of Nutrition, University of California, Davis 95616-8669,
USA.

In affluent populations, breast-feeding women often wish to return to
their prepregnancy weight as soon as possible postpartum and may
restrict energy intake or increase exercise to achieve this
goal. Gradual weight loss (< or = 2 kg/mo) seems to have no adverse
effect on milk volume or composition, provided that the mother is not
undernourished and is breast-feeding her infant on demand. Aerobic
exercise improves cardiovascular fitness and does not affect milk
energy transfer to the infant, but exercise alone is not likely to
increase the rate of weight loss unless dietary intake is
controlled. Less information is available on the effect of rapid
weight loss. Data from a recent randomized intervention trial indicate
that a short-term (11 d) energy deficit of 35%, achieved by dieting or
a combination of dieting and increased exercise, results in weight
loss > 1 kg/wk and does not adversely affect lactation. Exercise
enhances maintenance of lean body mass and is therefore a recommended
component of any weight loss program. Maternal plasma prolactin
concentration generally increases under conditions of negative energy
balance, which may serve to protect lactation. Further research is
required on the longer-term effect of energy restriction and on the
effects of energy balance in lactating women with low fat reserves.

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Elly - 28 Jul 2004 21:15 GMT
> The exercises that I suggested, can be done within seconds per set,
> in the kitchen. Kids are not am impediment.

Lol, I don't think my kid would agree with you, I ;-)

Thanks for all the suggestions, I will do my best to implement them in my
routine!

Elly
Ignoramus5882 - 28 Jul 2004 21:31 GMT
My kid also liked being a "free weight".

At 9 months, he was maybe 15 lbs.

i
Elly - 28 Jul 2004 21:37 GMT
> My kid also liked being a "free weight".
>
> At 9 months, he was maybe 15 lbs.

DD is 18.7 lbs, and she is a "free weight" 90% of the time (since she likes
to be carried around ;-) Not quite the same as lifting, since carrying puts
a strain on my back. I do a couple of lifts, when she permits, though.

Elly
Annabel Smyth - 28 Jul 2004 21:47 GMT
>The exercises that I suggested, can be done within seconds per set,
>in the kitchen. Kids are not am impediment.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Another example: 9 month old sits on your belly, you perform crunches,
>9 month old will be delighted.

Another example: 9 month old sits on your belly - you lift her up and
down, exercising your arms and making her giggle. Or cross your legs,
sit her on your ankle, and bounce around playing "This is the way the
gentlemen ride...." - excellent for leg stretches!

>That's the beauty of calisthenics, it requires no special time
>commitment, no equipment, no gym to drive to etc. Not having time is
>not a valid excuse. If you have free 20 seconds, anywhere, you can do
>pushups and squats. If you have carpet, you can do crunches.

If you have a baby, you have built-in weights!
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Ignoramus31782 - 28 Jul 2004 23:21 GMT
>>The exercises that I suggested, can be done within seconds per set,
>>in the kitchen. Kids are not am impediment.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> sit her on your ankle, and bounce around playing "This is the way the
> gentlemen ride...." - excellent for leg stretches!

Yea... The love being an object of exercise...

>>That's the beauty of calisthenics, it requires no special time
>>commitment, no equipment, no gym to drive to etc. Not having time is
>>not a valid excuse. If you have free 20 seconds, anywhere, you can do
>>pushups and squats. If you have carpet, you can do crunches.
>>
> If you have a baby, you have built-in weights!

and the weight conveniently increases, increasing difficulty of exercise:)
Beverly - 28 Jul 2004 21:40 GMT
You're doing great, Elly.  I'm sure you'll work out the exercise - it just
takes time.  As the daughter gets older and starts walking you'll get plenty
of exercise chasing her around the house<g>

Beverly

> I decided to try again with the dieting seriously this time on Friday the
> 16th, but it is easier to do the weigh-in and updates weekly, so I decided
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> lbs
> sometime in the (distant) future: 150 lbs
Heywood Mogroot - 29 Jul 2004 00:05 GMT
> Mid July 2004: 195.8 / 191.4 lbs / mini-goal by August 20th:  184.8 to 187
> lbs
> sometime in the (distant) future: 150 lbs

my advice is don't try to get there in one week. Enjoy your new WOE,
don't try to overdo the calorie deprivation (1300kcal as a busy mom
seems low to me), stay on an even keel for no more than a 1kg/week
loss. I think shooting to lose 1% of total body weight per week is
just about perfect.

It's when we starve ourselves that diets become unhealthy and even
counterproductive. Eat to live. Now that I am closer to my goal I am
very happy with a gradual 1lb/week loss rate.

1lb/week for you will get you to your goal in no time. Remember,
you've got to *maintain* once you get there, so it behooves us to
learn how to eat sensibly, in non-crisis mode, and the best time to
build these habits is starting right now.

Heywood

232/187.1/182 (once I hit 182 I will start going to the gym to start
on muscle building)
Chris Braun - 29 Jul 2004 01:03 GMT
Way to go, Elly!  It sounds like you're getting off to a great start!

Chris
262/143/ (145-150)
 
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