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Reddaway - 28 Jul 2004 07:01 GMT I need to lose weight - B A D I need to get out of the bed & off the couch and start exercising! I am thinking of getting The Gazelle machine ( the one that Tony Little advertises) Also starting Weight Watchers
Anyone out there using this machine? Or is there any comments about Weight Watchers vs. other plans?
Need to lose around 50-75 pounds, I am a 51 year old female, retired and very lazy
Any comments will be sooooooooooooooo appreciated! Especially about the exercise machine - THANKS! I am so not motivated - but I am thinking this is the place TO get motivated - correct???
>< Annabel Smyth - 28 Jul 2004 12:11 GMT >I need to lose weight - B A D >I need to get out of the bed & off the couch and start exercising! >I am thinking of getting The Gazelle machine ( the one that Tony Little >advertises) But would you use it? Or would it just gather dust in the corner?
>Also starting Weight Watchers > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >I am so not motivated - but I am thinking this is the place TO get >motivated - correct??? No, only you can motivate yourself. If you are not yet ready to start to eat less and exercise more - basically what all good diet and exercise plans boil down to, whatever they are called - then none of us can make you ready. You have to do it yourself.
Find some sort of exercise you know you will enjoy enough to make it worth your while doing it, or enlist a friend or family member to go with you regularly. Perhaps you could swim, or ice-skate, or even just go for a brisk walk - does a neighbour have a dog who could use exercise? No point in just buying an expensive machine which will gather dust after the first week!
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Mary M - Ohio - 28 Jul 2004 13:08 GMT > I am so not motivated - but I am thinking this is the place TO get > motivated - correct??? The best way to get motivated is to start taking the first healthy step toward better habits. "Feeling follows action" as the saying goes -- it sounds backwards, but taking the action is what builds motivation, not the other way around. Great job in deciding to do something about the goals you want to reach. I'd suggest spending nothing instead of spending $$$ for the Gazelle, and try just walking 20 minutes at a time until you can work up to 30 and then 40. You don't need special equipment or fad diets -- eating less and exercising more really does work.
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Ignoramus31782 - 28 Jul 2004 14:15 GMT > I need to lose weight - B A D > I need to get out of the bed & off the couch and start exercising! Sounds like a good idea.
> I am thinking of getting The Gazelle machine ( the one that Tony Little > advertises) > Also starting Weight Watchers > > Anyone out there using this machine? Or is there any comments about Weight > Watchers vs. other plans? My comment is that machines are not necessary. If you are sedentary, just start walking. You can surely buy a machine, but why waste money. Especially in summer. Most people's machines collect dust.
> Need to lose around 50-75 pounds, I am a 51 year old female, retired and > very lazy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I am so not motivated - but I am thinking this is the place TO get > motivated - correct??? if you are not motivated, why fork over money to weight watchers.
Try eating less (as in "more calories out than calories in), eating no sweets and junk food, and exercising. It works.
Do you have health problems that require you to lose weight and exercise? If so, that's decent motivation.
This newsgroup is also very motivating . i
JMA - 28 Jul 2004 14:29 GMT > I need to lose weight - B A D > I need to get out of the bed & off the couch and start exercising! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Anyone out there using this machine? Or is there any comments about Weight > Watchers vs. other plans? I had a Gazelle and just recently gave it away. I used it for all of a few weeks and realized it was a waste of time and too much stress on the hips.
Save your money and take a walk - seriously.
Jenn
Lictor - 03 Aug 2004 14:27 GMT > I had a Gazelle and just recently gave it away. I used it for all of a few > weeks and realized it was a waste of time and too much stress on the hips. > > Save your money and take a walk - seriously. Yup, exactly... Walking remains *the* best way to exercise... Most other exercises *try* to be friendly to your body and not hurt it. On the other hand, your body was *built* around the process of walking during the eons of evolution...
Reddaway, if you're really serious about losing weight, you have to understand that *everything* you need to do it is available for free right inside yourself. You have legs to walk, and that's all the aerobic exercise you need for now. Besides, walking is fun, it actually takes you from place to place, lets you visit people and all. Isn't that more interresting that sweating on a machine in the basement? You have body weight to push around and lift, and legs and arms, and that's all you need to build muscles. You have a brain that is able to monitor your fat stores, your caloric intake and your current needs more reliably than any scale or abacus... Real slim people do not buy expensive machines to stay slim, they just put energy into whatever they do and eat less...
You seem to want external solutions to your own problem. You want to lose weight, but you need an expensive machine to do that (and when you have it, it won't be good enough, and you will need to wait for another one to being to lose weight). You don't need anything to get out of the couch and exercise, except actually doing it... You also want a plan to tell you how and what to eat (weight watcher is a very monitored process), as if you are not confident you can simply reduce the total amount of what you eat. And no, it's not the place to get motivation, motivation can only come from within. However, this is a place to get advice, hints, what-not-to-do, explanations... If you really feel you need "motivation", maybe what you actually need a coach or something like this. Again, that's not something you can find on the Internet, you do need a face to face relationship for this kind of think to work. However, you can find opinions on what kind of coach worked for various people. For me, it was a no-diet nutritionist with a heavy psychological training (cognitive and behavioural mainly). I tend to think any psycho-sth who is familliar with obesity and eating disorder should be able to help (on the other hand, I would avoid like hell those who do not understand obesity related problems, they're just clueless). I would also avoid gym trainers, who weirdly enough, are often clueless about what obesity really is. But I guess people here have other opinions on this ;)
Sorry if I did sound harsher than I wanted... But total dependance on the external world to accomplish something like a diet is a path best not taken...
jamie - 29 Jul 2004 21:12 GMT > I need to lose weight - B A D > I need to get out of the bed & off the couch and start exercising! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Anyone out there using this machine? I have a competing model sitting in the garage (CSR Healthwalker), from when there were about 5 brands being sold on TV a few years ago. I tried several models in stores, and at the time, the CSR was the least rickety. I got it at the time because it cost about 1/4 of what good treadmills were going for.
The claims for these kinds of machines are way overstated IMO, and the onboard readouts typically claim to burn completely ridiculous amounts of calories. IMO, the handles don't do a damned thing for the arms unless you are specifically trying not to use your legs, and I feel like I get a better aerobic workout just marching and dancing around the living room than using that machine. And it was *really* boring, even setting it in front of the TV or propping a book on the front bar.
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Kasey - 30 Jul 2004 23:54 GMT Greetings and welcome.
>>I am thinking of getting The Gazelle machine ( the one that Tony Little advertises)<<
Check your local newspaper or Pennysaver plenty of people probably have the machine gathering dust in their homes or garages.
But it's foolish to buy exercise equipment without trying it to see if you can do the movements required. Go with a friend, or get a free visit, to a local gym and try out different machines.
>>Or is there any comments about Weight Watchers vs. other plans?<<
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>>Need to lose around 50-75 pounds, I am a 51 year old female, retired and very lazy<<
It can be done. I am your age (turned 52 in June), female, retired in 2002 and started new job 5 weeks later.
I have lost more than 100 pounds since October. I use fitday.com to count calories (1,500 calories avg daily) and I exercise for at least an hour most days.
>>I am so not motivated - but I am thinking this is the place TO get motivated - correct???<<
As others have said, motivation can only come from you. What motivates one person means nothing to someone else.
I am motivated by a desire to improve my health and quality of life.
As always, YMMV.
Kasey 365/253/???
LucaBG - 02 Aug 2004 06:46 GMT I can't beleive that all u in usa are still fighting over weight without knowing the cheapest & easyer mean .... all that are doing a low calories diet .... if u r following a 1000 or 1500 Kcal a day u'll stop loosing weight when ur body will keep the same amount of calories regime .... & then ???? so keep supplement that let u eat low calories but hig nutrient value .....is the solution to not let ur body stop methabolism .....
> Greetings and welcome. > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Kasey > 365/253/??? Patricia Heil - 02 Aug 2004 13:25 GMT Supplements don't work as well as food for some nutrients like anti-oxidants and fiber. VLCDs may result in too few carbs and reduced serotonin, leading to depression.
Food isn't everything. You have to exercise to be healthy.
> I can't beleive that all u in usa are still fighting over weight without > knowing the cheapest & easyer mean .... [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > Kasey > > 365/253/??? LucaBG - 03 Aug 2004 20:22 GMT Exercise works for all .. I'm a classic aerobic & step trainer .... & i think should be better u informe urself about the kind of food u can find at the supermarket ..... lol supplement r at our days necessery ...
> Supplements don't work as well as food for some nutrients like anti-oxidants > and fiber. > VLCDs may result in too few carbs and reduced serotonin, leading to > depression. > > Food isn't everything. You have to exercise to be healthy. Dally - 03 Aug 2004 21:08 GMT > Exercise works for all .. I'm a classic aerobic & step trainer .... & i > think should be better u informe urself about the kind of food u can find at [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >>Food isn't everything. You have to exercise to be healthy. You two seem made for each other!
Luca, here's just a few format tips from the self-appointed Net Police (that's me, and I'm joking.)
Many of us (that's ME) prefer bottom posting. We tend to have conversations here and build on what people said, so putting your comments inline and snipping out unnecesary text is the standard format.
We also prefer you spell out words like "you", although there is a great deal of lattitude given to people for whom English is a second (or third, or fourth) language.
Having told you this, I'm not going to get upset if you ignore my advice. I just thought you should know you were committing a faux pas.
Also, I apologize, but I don't remember your story. What are your stats for beginning weight/current weight/goal weight?
Dally 244/174/168
LucaBG - 04 Aug 2004 12:10 GMT My story is a gain weight story ( remeber that gaining weight is 5 time more harder than loosing !) THank so much for ur advices ( i'm not joking) I found them usefull ty Luca
> >>Food isn't everything. You have to exercise to be healthy. > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Dally > 244/174/168 Carol Frilegh - 04 Aug 2004 13:31 GMT Get over yourself. It's the message not the position of the post that counts. I post top and bottom depending on the forward quote I'm responding to.
> My story is a gain weight story ( remeber that gaining weight is 5 time more > harder than loosing !) [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Dally > > 244/174/168 As for "we", Usenet is basically an aggragate of honest people seeking support and cybermaniacs who are compelled to act out by harassing and ridiculing sincere people and teaching them net manners. This is an unmoderated list and we are on the honor system and don't have a police force so you are out of your self appointed new job.
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Mary M - Ohio - 05 Aug 2004 22:53 GMT > Many of us (that's ME) prefer bottom posting. We tend to have > conversations here and build on what people said, so putting your > comments inline and snipping out unnecesary text is the standard format. Don't we wish! Almost no one snips out unnecessary text, which is why I hate bottom posting. It makes moving through posts way too slow -- having to scroll down to see a one-liner wastes a lot of time and I find it quite irritating.
Mary
SnugBear - 06 Aug 2004 01:43 GMT > Don't we wish! Almost no one snips out unnecessary text, which is why > I hate bottom posting. It makes moving through posts way too slow -- > having to scroll down to see a one-liner wastes a lot of time and I > find it quite irritating. Remember, with several newsreaders (including OE) hitting the spacebar will scroll one page down. Works for IE too.
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Mary M - Ohio - 06 Aug 2004 16:06 GMT > Remember, with several newsreaders (including OE) hitting the spacebar > will scroll one page down. Works for IE too. God bless you Laurie! :-) I love the OE keyboard shortcuts like Ctrl+U (moves you to the next unread message) and Ctrl+T (marks thread as read if you want to skip it) -- but I didn't know about the spacebar. Now I won't skip so many posts.
Mary
janice - 06 Aug 2004 07:00 GMT >Don't we wish! Almost no one snips out unnecessary text, which is why I hate bottom >posting. It makes moving through posts way too slow -- having to scroll down to see a >one-liner wastes a lot of time and I find it quite irritating. > >Mary Hear hear! I agree with you Mary. I don't understand why top posting is disliked by so many people.
When people top post I just skim through all the posts and read the first bit. If I've forgotten what the post is about, then that's my problem and I can scroll down. Most of the time I don't need to do this, and can move on to the next post.
With bottom posting, you need two actions for each post - go to the next message, and then scroll down. I just don't understand how that can be easier, and I don't think I'll ever get it.
There was a time on this group when the big majority was in favour of top posting and it became the accepted way.
janice
Mary M - Ohio - 06 Aug 2004 16:09 GMT > >Don't we wish! Almost no one snips out unnecessary text, which is why I hate bottom > >posting. It makes moving through posts way too slow -- having to scroll down to see a > >one-liner wastes a lot of time and I find it quite irritating.
> Hear hear! I agree with you Mary. I don't understand why top posting > is disliked by so many people. > When people top post I just skim through all the posts and read the > first bit. If I've forgotten what the post is about, then that's my > problem and I can scroll down. Most of the time I don't need to do > this, and can move on to the next post. You have captured my feeling *exactly.* Laurie's hint will really help me though (using the spacebar to scroll down a page).
> With bottom posting, you need two actions for each post - go to the > next message, and then scroll down. I just don't understand how that > can be easier, and I don't think I'll ever get it. > There was a time on this group when the big majority was in favour of > top posting and it became the accepted way. And that's why you'll continue to see me top post when I have only one thing to say in response to a post. Top-posting-haters can feel free to ignore me. :-)
Mary
Ignoramus22665 - 06 Aug 2004 16:17 GMT A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
Mary M - Ohio - 07 Aug 2004 13:53 GMT I still find bottom posting way more irritating -- and in every instance of e-mail that I've ever conducted with my billion-dollar corporate customers, not ONE uses bottom posting. We all assume that if you want to read what's been said before, you can scroll down yourself, and not waste everyone else's time. So I'm not sure who decided top-posting in e-mail is annoying -- obviously neither I nor my customers (10 years of e-mailing) find it so.
Mary
> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is it such a bad thing? > A: Top-posting. > Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Ignoramus28438 - 07 Aug 2004 17:15 GMT > I still find bottom posting way more irritating -- and in every instance of e-mail > that I've ever conducted with my billion-dollar corporate customers, not ONE uses > bottom posting. We all assume that if you want to read what's been said before, you > can scroll down yourself, and not waste everyone else's time. So I'm not sure who > decided top-posting in e-mail is annoying -- obviously neither I nor my customers (10 > years of e-mailing) find it so. Are your email replies long discussions, or more like a few lines?
I find that when I need to respond to someone in detail, at work, I answer between the relevant lines of original text. If my reply is short, like saying thank you or "will take of it", then I use top posting.
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Mary M - Ohio - 09 Aug 2004 16:48 GMT > Are your email replies long discussions, or more like a few lines? Both. Usually it's an e-mail trail from inside the corporation that my clients will send me -- I follow the e-mail trails backwards to see what is needed from me so that my client doesn't have to waste time re-explaining everything.
Mary
jamie - 07 Aug 2004 20:57 GMT > I still find bottom posting way more irritating -- and in every instance of e-mail > that I've ever conducted with my billion-dollar corporate customers, not ONE uses > bottom posting. We all assume that if you want to read what's been said before, you > can scroll down yourself, and not waste everyone else's time. So I'm not sure who > decided top-posting in e-mail is annoying -- obviously neither I nor my customers (10 > years of e-mailing) find it so. Most *real* newsreader clients have a key to skip right to non-quoted text, but OE users f.ck it all up with OE's default mishandling of quotes.
OE was never designed for newsgroups, and does a really shitty job of handling quoted text -- it line-wraps badly (looks fine while you edit and then mangles on Send) without inserting quote chars on the wrapped lines, which mucks up everyone else's hotkey to new text. It also mishandles attributions and signatures. All this is fixed by installing the OE Quotefix patch. (http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ shows before and after examples)
Email is somewhat different from newsgroups. You're pretty much assured of having received the prior messages, and most likely read them. Not so in Usenet, posts are passed from server to server, come in out of order, with some being delayed for days and sometimes never arriving at some servers.
In large volume groups, a lot of people don't read every thread, and may jump into the middle of a discussion. Snipped context quoting and bottom-posting, or point-by-point rebuttal in between quotes was standard for Usenet for many long years before you started using email. (22 years of Usenet and internet email for me, to date)
Before Outlook Express became mis-usable for newsgroups, almost all newsreaders automatically opened below the quoted text, and would even refuse to post if you didn't snip the quoted text to be fewer lines or characters than your response.
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Mary M - Ohio - 09 Aug 2004 16:46 GMT > Before Outlook Express became mis-usable for newsgroups, almost all > newsreaders automatically opened below the quoted text, and would > even refuse to post if you didn't snip the quoted text to be fewer > lines or characters than your response. Now that I would like to see! What is your favorite newsreader?
Mary
Annabel Smyth - 09 Aug 2004 17:09 GMT >> Before Outlook Express became mis-usable for newsgroups, almost all >> newsreaders automatically opened below the quoted text, and would >> even refuse to post if you didn't snip the quoted text to be fewer >> lines or characters than your response. > >Now that I would like to see! What is your favorite newsreader? Turnpike.
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jamie - 09 Aug 2004 18:59 GMT >> Before Outlook Express became mis-usable for newsgroups, almost all >> newsreaders automatically opened below the quoted text, and would >> even refuse to post if you didn't snip the quoted text to be fewer >> lines or characters than your response. > > Now that I would like to see! What is your favorite newsreader? I prefer SLRN, myself. It was originally made for linux, but is also available for Windows. It doesn't have the clickety-mouse cuteness of ones originally built for Windows or X-Windows, but its filtering/killfiling options can't be beat.
My husband reads news under Windows, and prefers Gravity. Gravity used to be a shareware newsreader, that you had to pay for to get the advanced features, like Agent vs FreeAgent, but at some point the complete version became free.
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Annabel Smyth - 08 Aug 2004 09:58 GMT >I still find bottom posting way more irritating -- and in every instance of >e-mail [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >customers (10 >years of e-mailing) find it so. Er - but this isn't e-mail, it's Usenet. Which is different.
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Mary M - Ohio - 09 Aug 2004 16:45 GMT I was responding to what someone said about bottom-posting being "the most annoying thing on Usenet AND e-mail."
Mary
> Er - but this isn't e-mail, it's Usenet. Which is different. LucaBG - 03 Aug 2004 20:19 GMT Think about this plz .... if u want use working out to loose weight remeber that u need 20 min minum to reach the aerobic condition accordigly burn fat .... so works !! drink 2 lt of water cut calories without cutting basic nutrints for ur body .... if u find the system to cut calories without cutting oligoelements vitaines & go on .... u won't let ur methabolism going slowly & u'll solve the problem for ever .... hugs from italy luca
> I need to lose weight - B A D > I need to get out of the bed & off the couch and start exercising! [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > -- > ><
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