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Reddaway - 28 Jul 2004 07:01 GMT
I need to lose weight - B A D
I need to get out of the bed & off the couch and start exercising!
I am thinking of getting The Gazelle machine ( the one that Tony Little
advertises)
Also starting Weight Watchers

Anyone out there using this machine?  Or is there any comments about Weight
Watchers vs. other plans?

Need to lose around 50-75 pounds, I am a 51 year old female, retired and
very lazy

Any comments will be sooooooooooooooo appreciated!  Especially about the
exercise machine - THANKS!
I am so not motivated - but I am thinking this is the place TO get
motivated - correct???

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Annabel Smyth - 28 Jul 2004 12:11 GMT
>I need to lose weight - B A D
>I need to get out of the bed & off the couch and start exercising!
>I am thinking of getting The Gazelle machine ( the one that Tony Little
>advertises)

But would you use it?  Or would it just gather dust in the corner?

>Also starting Weight Watchers
>
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>I am so not motivated - but I am thinking this is the place TO get
>motivated - correct???

No, only you can motivate yourself.  If you are not yet ready to start
to eat less and exercise more - basically what all good diet and
exercise plans boil down to, whatever they are called - then none of us
can make you ready.  You have to do it yourself.

Find some sort of exercise you know you will enjoy enough to make it
worth your while doing it, or enlist a friend or family member to go
with you regularly.  Perhaps you could swim, or ice-skate, or even just
go for a brisk walk - does a neighbour have a dog who could use
exercise?  No point in just buying an expensive machine which will
gather dust after the first week!
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Mary M - Ohio - 28 Jul 2004 13:08 GMT
> I am so not motivated - but I am thinking this is the place TO get
> motivated - correct???

The best way to get motivated is to start taking the first healthy step toward better
habits. "Feeling follows action" as the saying goes -- it sounds backwards, but
taking the action is what builds motivation, not the other way around. Great job in
deciding to do something about the goals you want to reach. I'd suggest spending
nothing instead of spending $$$ for the Gazelle, and try just walking 20 minutes at a
time until you can work up to 30 and then 40. You don't need special equipment or fad
diets -- eating less and exercising more really does work.

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Ignoramus31782 - 28 Jul 2004 14:15 GMT
> I need to lose weight - B A D
> I need to get out of the bed & off the couch and start exercising!

Sounds like a good idea.

> I am thinking of getting The Gazelle machine ( the one that Tony Little
> advertises)
> Also starting Weight Watchers
>
> Anyone out there using this machine?  Or is there any comments about Weight
> Watchers vs. other plans?

My comment is that machines are not necessary. If you are sedentary,
just start walking. You can surely buy a machine, but why waste
money. Especially in summer. Most people's machines collect dust.

> Need to lose around 50-75 pounds, I am a 51 year old female, retired and
> very lazy
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> I am so not motivated - but I am thinking this is the place TO get
> motivated - correct???

if you are not motivated, why fork over money to weight watchers.

Try eating less (as in "more calories out than calories in), eating no
sweets and junk food, and exercising. It works.

Do you have health problems that require you to lose weight and
exercise? If so, that's decent motivation.

This newsgroup is also very motivating
.
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JMA - 28 Jul 2004 14:29 GMT
> I need to lose weight - B A D
> I need to get out of the bed & off the couch and start exercising!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Anyone out there using this machine?  Or is there any comments about Weight
> Watchers vs. other plans?

I had a Gazelle and just recently gave it away.  I used it for all of a few
weeks and realized it was a waste of time and too much stress on the hips.

Save your money and take a walk - seriously.

Jenn
Lictor - 03 Aug 2004 14:27 GMT
> I had a Gazelle and just recently gave it away.  I used it for all of a few
> weeks and realized it was a waste of time and too much stress on the hips.
>
> Save your money and take a walk - seriously.

Yup, exactly... Walking remains *the* best way to exercise... Most other
exercises *try* to be friendly to your body and not hurt it. On the other
hand, your body was *built* around the process of walking during the eons of
evolution...

Reddaway, if you're really serious about losing weight, you have to
understand that *everything* you need to do it is available for free right
inside yourself. You have legs to walk, and that's all the aerobic exercise
you need for now. Besides, walking is fun, it actually takes you from place
to place, lets you visit people and all. Isn't that more interresting that
sweating on a machine in the basement? You have body weight to push around
and lift, and legs and arms, and that's all you need to build muscles. You
have a brain that is able to monitor your fat stores, your caloric intake
and your current needs more reliably than any scale or abacus... Real slim
people do not buy expensive machines to stay slim, they just put energy into
whatever they do and eat less...

You seem to want external solutions to your own problem. You want to lose
weight, but you need an expensive machine to do that (and when you have it,
it won't be good enough, and you will need to wait for another one to being
to lose weight). You don't need anything to get out of the couch and
exercise, except actually doing it... You also want a plan to tell you how
and what to eat (weight watcher is a very monitored process), as if you are
not confident you can simply reduce the total amount of what you eat. And
no, it's not the place to get motivation, motivation can only come from
within. However, this is a place to get advice, hints, what-not-to-do,
explanations...
If you really feel you need "motivation", maybe what you actually need a
coach or something like this. Again, that's not something you can find on
the Internet, you do need a face to face relationship for this kind of think
to work. However, you can find opinions on what kind of coach worked for
various people. For me, it was a no-diet nutritionist with a heavy
psychological training (cognitive and behavioural mainly). I tend to think
any psycho-sth who is familliar with obesity and eating disorder should be
able to help (on the other hand, I would avoid like hell those who do not
understand obesity related problems, they're just clueless). I would also
avoid gym trainers, who weirdly enough, are often clueless about what
obesity really is. But I guess people here have other opinions on this ;)

Sorry if I did sound harsher than I wanted... But total dependance on the
external world to accomplish something like a diet is a path best not
taken...
jamie - 29 Jul 2004 21:12 GMT
> I need to lose weight - B A D
> I need to get out of the bed & off the couch and start exercising!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Anyone out there using this machine?  

I have a competing model sitting in the garage (CSR Healthwalker),
from when there were about 5 brands being sold on TV a few years ago.
I tried several models in stores, and at the time, the CSR was the
least rickety.  I got it at the time because it cost about 1/4 of
what good treadmills were going for.

The claims for these kinds of machines are way overstated IMO, and the
onboard readouts typically claim to burn completely ridiculous amounts
of calories.  IMO, the handles don't do a damned thing for the arms
unless you are specifically trying not to use your legs, and I feel
like I get a better aerobic workout just marching and dancing around
the living room than using that machine.  And it was *really* boring,
even setting it in front of the TV or propping a book on the front bar.

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Kasey - 30 Jul 2004 23:54 GMT
Greetings and welcome.

>>I am thinking of getting The Gazelle machine ( the one that Tony Little
advertises)<<

Check your local newspaper or Pennysaver – plenty of people probably
have the machine gathering dust in their homes or garages.

But it's foolish to buy exercise equipment without trying it to see if
you can do the movements required. Go with a friend, or get a free
visit, to a local gym and try out different machines.

>>Or is there any comments about Weight
Watchers vs. other plans?<<

    alt.support.diet.weightwatchers

>>Need to lose around 50-75 pounds, I am a 51 year old female, retired and
very lazy<<

It can be done. I am your age (turned 52 in June), female, retired in
2002 and started new job 5 weeks later.

I have lost more than 100 pounds since October. I use fitday.com to
count calories (1,500 calories avg daily) and I exercise for at least
an hour most days.

>>I am so not motivated - but I am thinking this is the place TO get
motivated - correct???<<

As others have said, motivation can only come from you. What motivates
one person means nothing to someone else.

I am motivated by a desire to improve my health and quality of life.

As always, YMMV.

Kasey
365/253/???
LucaBG - 02 Aug 2004 06:46 GMT
I can't beleive that all u in usa are still fighting over weight without
knowing the cheapest & easyer mean ....
all that are doing a low calories diet ....
if u r following a 1000 or 1500 Kcal a day u'll stop loosing weight when ur
body will keep the same amount of calories regime .... & then ????
so keep supplement that let u eat low calories but hig nutrient value
.....is the solution to not let ur body stop methabolism .....
> Greetings and welcome.
>
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> Kasey
> 365/253/???
Patricia Heil - 02 Aug 2004 13:25 GMT
Supplements don't work as well as food for some nutrients like anti-oxidants
and fiber.
VLCDs may result in too few carbs and reduced serotonin, leading to
depression.

Food isn't everything.  You have to exercise to be healthy.

> I can't beleive that all u in usa are still fighting over weight without
> knowing the cheapest & easyer mean ....
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> > Kasey
> > 365/253/???
LucaBG - 03 Aug 2004 20:22 GMT
Exercise works for all .. I'm a classic aerobic & step trainer .... & i
think should be better u informe urself about the kind of food u can find at
the supermarket ..... lol
supplement r at our days necessery ...
> Supplements don't work as well as food for some nutrients like anti-oxidants
> and fiber.
> VLCDs may result in too few carbs and reduced serotonin, leading to
> depression.
>
> Food isn't everything.  You have to exercise to be healthy.
Dally - 03 Aug 2004 21:08 GMT
> Exercise works for all .. I'm a classic aerobic & step trainer .... & i
> think should be better u informe urself about the kind of food u can find at
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>
>>Food isn't everything.  You have to exercise to be healthy.

You two seem made for each other!

Luca, here's just a few format tips from the self-appointed Net Police
(that's me, and I'm joking.)

Many of us (that's ME) prefer bottom posting.  We tend to have
conversations here and build on what people said, so putting your
comments inline and snipping out unnecesary text is the standard format.

We also prefer you spell out words like "you", although there is a great
deal of lattitude given to people for whom English is a second (or
third, or fourth) language.

Having told you this, I'm not going to get upset if you ignore my
advice.  I just thought you should know you were committing a faux pas.

Also, I apologize, but I don't remember your story.  What are your stats
for beginning weight/current weight/goal weight?

Dally
244/174/168
LucaBG - 04 Aug 2004 12:10 GMT
My story is a gain weight story ( remeber that gaining weight is 5 time more
harder than loosing !)
THank so much for ur advices ( i'm not joking)
I found them usefull ty
Luca
> >>Food isn't everything.  You have to exercise to be healthy.
>
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> Dally
> 244/174/168
Carol Frilegh - 04 Aug 2004 13:31 GMT
Get over yourself. It's the message not the position of the post that
counts. I post top and bottom depending on the forward quote I'm
responding to.

> My story is a gain weight story ( remeber that gaining weight is 5 time more
> harder than loosing !)
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> > Dally
> > 244/174/168

As for "we",  Usenet is basically an aggragate of honest people seeking
support and cybermaniacs who are compelled to act out by harassing and
ridiculing sincere people and teaching them net manners. This is an
unmoderated list and we are on the honor system and don't have a police
force so you are out of your self appointed new job.

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Mary M - Ohio - 05 Aug 2004 22:53 GMT
> Many of us (that's ME) prefer bottom posting.  We tend to have
> conversations here and build on what people said, so putting your
> comments inline and snipping out unnecesary text is the standard format.

Don't we wish! Almost no one snips out unnecessary text, which is why I hate bottom
posting. It makes moving through posts way too slow -- having to scroll down to see a
one-liner wastes a lot of time and I find it quite irritating.

Mary
SnugBear - 06 Aug 2004 01:43 GMT
> Don't we wish! Almost no one snips out unnecessary text, which is why
> I hate bottom posting. It makes moving through posts way too slow --
> having to scroll down to see a one-liner wastes a lot of time and I
> find it quite irritating.

Remember, with several newsreaders (including OE) hitting the spacebar
will scroll one page down. Works for IE too.

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Mary M - Ohio - 06 Aug 2004 16:06 GMT
> Remember, with several newsreaders (including OE) hitting the spacebar
> will scroll one page down. Works for IE too.

God bless you Laurie! :-) I love the OE keyboard shortcuts like Ctrl+U (moves you to
the next unread message) and Ctrl+T (marks thread as read if you want to skip it) --
but I didn't know about the spacebar. Now I won't skip so many posts.

Mary
janice - 06 Aug 2004 07:00 GMT
>Don't we wish! Almost no one snips out unnecessary text, which is why I hate bottom
>posting. It makes moving through posts way too slow -- having to scroll down to see a
>one-liner wastes a lot of time and I find it quite irritating.
>
>Mary

Hear hear!  I agree with you Mary.  I don't understand why top posting
is disliked by so many people.  

When people top post I just skim through all the posts and read the
first bit.  If I've forgotten what the post is about, then that's my
problem and I can scroll down.  Most of the time I don't need to do
this, and can move on to the next post.

With bottom posting, you need two actions for each post - go to the
next message, and then scroll down.  I just don't understand how that
can be easier, and I don't think I'll ever get it.

There was a time on this group when the big majority was in favour of
top posting and it became the accepted way.

janice
Mary M - Ohio - 06 Aug 2004 16:09 GMT
> >Don't we wish! Almost no one snips out unnecessary text, which is why I hate bottom
> >posting. It makes moving through posts way too slow -- having to scroll down to see a
> >one-liner wastes a lot of time and I find it quite irritating.

> Hear hear!  I agree with you Mary.  I don't understand why top posting
> is disliked by so many people.
> When people top post I just skim through all the posts and read the
> first bit.  If I've forgotten what the post is about, then that's my
> problem and I can scroll down.  Most of the time I don't need to do
> this, and can move on to the next post.

You have captured my feeling *exactly.* Laurie's hint will really help me though
(using the spacebar to scroll down a page).

> With bottom posting, you need two actions for each post - go to the
> next message, and then scroll down.  I just don't understand how that
> can be easier, and I don't think I'll ever get it.
> There was a time on this group when the big majority was in favour of
> top posting and it became the accepted way.

And that's why you'll continue to see me top post when I have only one thing to say
in response to a post. Top-posting-haters can feel free to ignore me. :-)

Mary
Ignoramus22665 - 06 Aug 2004 16:17 GMT
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is it such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
Mary M - Ohio - 07 Aug 2004 13:53 GMT
I still find bottom posting way more irritating -- and in every instance of e-mail
that I've ever conducted with my billion-dollar corporate customers, not ONE uses
bottom posting. We all assume that if you want to read what's been said before, you
can scroll down yourself, and not waste everyone else's time. So I'm not sure who
decided top-posting in e-mail is annoying -- obviously neither I nor my customers (10
years of e-mailing) find it so.

Mary

> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is it such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
Ignoramus28438 - 07 Aug 2004 17:15 GMT
> I still find bottom posting way more irritating -- and in every instance of e-mail
> that I've ever conducted with my billion-dollar corporate customers, not ONE uses
> bottom posting. We all assume that if you want to read what's been said before, you
> can scroll down yourself, and not waste everyone else's time. So I'm not sure who
> decided top-posting in e-mail is annoying -- obviously neither I nor my customers (10
> years of e-mailing) find it so.

Are your email replies long discussions, or more like a few lines?

I find that when I need to respond to someone in detail, at work, I
answer between the relevant lines of original text. If my reply is
short, like saying thank you or "will take of it", then I use top
posting.

i
Mary M - Ohio - 09 Aug 2004 16:48 GMT
> Are your email replies long discussions, or more like a few lines?

Both. Usually it's an e-mail trail from inside the corporation that my clients will
send me --  I follow the e-mail trails backwards to see what is needed from me so
that my client doesn't have to waste time re-explaining everything.

Mary
jamie - 07 Aug 2004 20:57 GMT
> I still find bottom posting way more irritating -- and in every instance of e-mail
> that I've ever conducted with my billion-dollar corporate customers, not ONE uses
> bottom posting. We all assume that if you want to read what's been said before, you
> can scroll down yourself, and not waste everyone else's time. So I'm not sure who
> decided top-posting in e-mail is annoying -- obviously neither I nor my customers (10
> years of e-mailing) find it so.

Most *real* newsreader clients have a key to skip right to non-quoted
text, but OE users f.ck it all up with OE's default mishandling
of quotes.

OE was never designed for newsgroups, and does a really shitty job of
handling quoted text  -- it line-wraps badly (looks fine while you
edit and then mangles on Send) without inserting quote chars on the
wrapped lines, which mucks up everyone else's hotkey to new text.
It also mishandles attributions and signatures.  All this is fixed
by installing the OE Quotefix patch.
(http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/  shows before
and after examples)

Email is somewhat different from newsgroups.  You're pretty much
assured of having received the prior messages, and most likely read
them.  Not so in Usenet, posts are passed from server to server,
come in out of order, with some being delayed for days and sometimes
never arriving at some servers.

In large volume groups, a lot of people don't read every thread, and
may jump into the middle of a discussion.  Snipped context quoting
and bottom-posting, or point-by-point rebuttal in between quotes was
standard for Usenet for many long years before you started using
email.  (22 years of Usenet and internet email for me, to date)

Before Outlook Express became mis-usable for newsgroups, almost all
newsreaders automatically opened below the quoted text, and would
even refuse to post if you didn't snip the quoted text to be fewer
lines or characters than your response.

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Mary M - Ohio - 09 Aug 2004 16:46 GMT
> Before Outlook Express became mis-usable for newsgroups, almost all
> newsreaders automatically opened below the quoted text, and would
> even refuse to post if you didn't snip the quoted text to be fewer
> lines or characters than your response.

Now that I would like to see! What is your favorite newsreader?

Mary
Annabel Smyth - 09 Aug 2004 17:09 GMT
>> Before Outlook Express became mis-usable for newsgroups, almost all
>> newsreaders automatically opened below the quoted text, and would
>> even refuse to post if you didn't snip the quoted text to be fewer
>> lines or characters than your response.
>
>Now that I would like to see! What is your favorite newsreader?

Turnpike.
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jamie - 09 Aug 2004 18:59 GMT
>> Before Outlook Express became mis-usable for newsgroups, almost all
>> newsreaders automatically opened below the quoted text, and would
>> even refuse to post if you didn't snip the quoted text to be fewer
>> lines or characters than your response.
>
> Now that I would like to see! What is your favorite newsreader?

I prefer SLRN, myself.  It was originally made for linux, but is
also available for Windows.  It doesn't have the clickety-mouse
cuteness of ones originally built for Windows or X-Windows, but its
filtering/killfiling options can't be beat.

My husband reads news under Windows, and prefers Gravity.  Gravity
used to be a shareware newsreader, that you had to pay for to get
the advanced features, like Agent vs FreeAgent, but at some point
the complete version became free.

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Annabel Smyth - 08 Aug 2004 09:58 GMT
>I still find bottom posting way more irritating -- and in every instance of
>e-mail
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>customers (10
>years of e-mailing) find it so.

Er - but this isn't e-mail, it's Usenet.  Which is different.
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Mary M - Ohio - 09 Aug 2004 16:45 GMT
I was responding to what someone said about bottom-posting being "the most annoying
thing on Usenet AND e-mail."

Mary

> Er - but this isn't e-mail, it's Usenet.  Which is different.
LucaBG - 03 Aug 2004 20:19 GMT
Think about this plz ....
if u want use working out to loose weight remeber that u need 20 min minum
to reach the aerobic condition accordigly burn fat .... so works !!
drink 2 lt of water cut calories without cutting basic nutrints for ur body
.... if u find the system to cut calories without cutting oligoelements
vitaines & go on .... u won't let ur methabolism going slowly & u'll solve
the problem for ever ....
hugs from italy luca
> I need to lose weight - B A D
> I need to get out of the bed & off the couch and start exercising!
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