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Jamberoo - 29 Jul 2004 22:59 GMT
Is loosing 106 pounds in 23 weeks OK or am I missing something.  I actually
think that I should be in a news paper?

Peace.

J.
Ignoramus2121 - 29 Jul 2004 23:07 GMT
> Is loosing 106 pounds in 23 weeks OK or am I missing something.  I actually
> think that I should be in a news paper?

What was your starting and final weight, and height?

If you started very obese, it could be okay.

If you ended up very slim, it was not a good idea, but you may be
lucky and now suffer any consequences.

i
Jamberoo - 29 Jul 2004 23:09 GMT
Starting weight 298 pounds current weight 190 pounds in 23 weeks is this
good??

> > Is loosing 106 pounds in 23 weeks OK or am I missing something.  I actually
> > think that I should be in a news paper?
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>
> i
Jamberoo - 29 Jul 2004 23:12 GMT
Starting weight 298 pounds current weight 190 pounds in 23 weeks my height
is 5ft 10ins.
Is this
good??

> > Is loosing 106 pounds in 23 weeks OK or am I missing something.  I actually
> > think that I should be in a news paper?
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>
> i
Ignoramus2121 - 29 Jul 2004 23:24 GMT
> Starting weight 298 pounds current weight 190 pounds in 23 weeks my height
> is 5ft 10ins.
>  Is this
> good??

I am impressed!

Are you feeling good? Very hungry? Do you lose control of your eating?
Are you energetic? D oyou look good?

How did you lose this weight?

Congratulations!

i
Jamberoo - 29 Jul 2004 23:34 GMT
I eat on average 900 calories per day and use aprox. 600 calories in
exorcise.

Don't do as I do but do as you need to!!

> > Starting weight 298 pounds current weight 190 pounds in 23 weeks my height
> > is 5ft 10ins.
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> i
Ignoramus2121 - 30 Jul 2004 01:15 GMT
> I eat on average 900 calories per day and use aprox. 600 calories in
> exorcise.
>
> Don't do as I do but do as you need to!!

I already lost my weight, I was simply impressed. My suggestion to
you, seriously, is to start eating more, maybe 1900 calories. You can
seriously mess yourself up by losing weight too quickly, we just had a
thread about it. At least read up a little bit about it. You may end
up being very sorry and unable to maintain your weight loss.

i

>> > Starting weight 298 pounds current weight 190 pounds in 23 weeks my
> height
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ALIEN_69@c.com - 30 Jul 2004 03:58 GMT
> In article <bYeOc.1037$a8.607@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>, Jamberoo
> wrote:
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>
> i

I have to agree with Ig here. If you enter maintenance at a 900
calorie intake per day, It may be hard to maintain long term. Start
eating more now to get your body used to the extra. Your metabolism
will/should increase as well. I stopped counting cals and just started  
using portion control and maintain quite well. ((so far)) I recently
did a weeks journal and average around 3100 cals per day. Some days I
may eat 4200. Some days I may eat 1700.

congrats on your success thus far!!!!

start 365   octoberish 2002
goal 200
maintaining 189-195 range  <--allowing water fluctuations
male - 27
6' 3" tall
Ignoramus2121 - 30 Jul 2004 04:19 GMT
You've been maintaining for how long, about 5 months by now?
Congratulations on both great maintenance and on burning so many
calories.:)

i
who wishes he could burn 3100 calories per day!
Ignoramus2121 - 30 Jul 2004 04:32 GMT
Alien, I hope that you do not mind my question, we had a thread here
about excess skin that is left, according to some posters, on all
people who lose over 100 lbs. Is there some truth to that?

i
ALIEN_69@c.com - 30 Jul 2004 19:12 GMT
Ignoramus2121 <ignoramus2121@NOSPAM.2121.invalid> wrote in news:cecfg5
$u85$5@pita.alt.net:

> Alien, I hope that you do not mind my question, we had a thread here
> about excess skin that is left, according to some posters, on all
> people who lose over 100 lbs. Is there some truth to that?
>
> i

Yes I have a good bit of skin that will have to be removed surgically
sometime in the future. Mainly under my arms and my lower belly.(apron
of skin.) I would say a good 5 pounds of skin in total..(not fat) Its
pretty gross really. LOL everyone says. "oh you look great." I just
smile and say, "Its and illusion. You should see me naked. But
thanks!" LOL
I have a little saggin on my inner thighs. But the more I walk and
hike the more it seems to be pulling inward/upward..
?If? I am still maintaining in 2 years I will opt for some sort of
surgical alternative.
I also must make a point. I see some people say look at my sagging
skin under my arms. When in fact there is still lots of fat under that
skin. Just pinch it and you can tell. The area at the bottom of my
belly, under my arms and the sagging drips that used to be my double D
man boobs have practically no fat in between. The skin looks worse
when there is that layer of brown fat just underneath.Which can be 1/2
to and inch thick. Or more! When you get rid of that (which is the
hardest part) it dont look as bad.
Which brings me to another point. When I read that someone got 25
pounds of skin removed after weight loss. And they only lost 100
pounds. I would love to know the fat/skin ratio of that removed.

peace.
start 365   octoberish 2002
goal 200
maintaining 189-195 range  <--allowing water fluctuations
male - 27
6' 3" tall
todays weight.....193
JMA - 30 Jul 2004 19:27 GMT
>  Which brings me to another point. When I read that someone got 25
> pounds of skin removed after weight loss. And they only lost 100
> pounds. I would love to know the fat/skin ratio of that removed.

Depending on the type of surgery, quite a bit of subcutaneous fat comes out
with the skin. A simple tummy tuck doesn't take out a lot of fat, but if you
have a torso surgery (affects the back and sides also), they can remove the
entire front panel of your abdomen.  I saw it on tv once and it they took
everything from the rib cage down to the hip in two sections (down the
middle) off entirely then stretched the skin around from the back like a
jacket.  You end up with a scar down the middle and one full circle around
your hip area so you still look scary when naked.

Jenn
ALIEN_69@c.com - 30 Jul 2004 19:40 GMT
"JMA" <bjenniferb@yahoo.com> wrote in news:2mvicoFrrn1sU1@uni-
berlin.de:

>>  Which brings me to another point. When I read that someone got 25
>> pounds of skin removed after weight loss. And they only lost 100
>> pounds. I would love to know the fat/skin ratio of that removed.
>
> Depending on the type of surgery, quite a bit of subcutaneous fat
> comes out with the skin. A simple tummy tuck doesn't take out a lot
of
> fat, but if you have a torso surgery (affects the back and sides
> also), they can remove the entire front panel of your abdomen.  I
saw
> it on tv once and it they took everything from the rib cage down to
> the hip in two sections (down the middle) off entirely then
stretched
> the skin around from the back like a jacket.  You end up with a scar
> down the middle and one full circle around your hip area so you
still
> look scary when naked.
>
> Jenn

See that is my point. If in say 2 years the skin draws up just a
little. I will just live with it. Plus save a bundle of cash. :)
Dally - 30 Jul 2004 19:56 GMT
>> Which brings me to another point. When I read that someone got 25
>>pounds of skin removed after weight loss. And they only lost 100
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> jacket.  You end up with a scar down the middle and one full circle around
> your hip area so you still look scary when naked.

This brings me to my biggest beef with the entire Body for Life program.
 the "look good naked" motto.  There's just no way I'm going to look
good naked ever again.  Not going to happen.  Setting it up as a goal is
just depressing.

Dally
Ignoramus6756 - 30 Jul 2004 20:25 GMT
> This brings me to my biggest beef with the entire Body for Life program.
>   the "look good naked" motto.  There's just no way I'm going to look
> good naked ever again.  Not going to happen.  Setting it up as a goal is
> just depressing.

I agree.

How about "look good in tight jeans"...

i
JMA - 30 Jul 2004 20:55 GMT
> >> Which brings me to another point. When I read that someone got 25
> >>pounds of skin removed after weight loss. And they only lost 100
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>
> Dally

I'm really not too concerned with the naked part.  Between my gall bladder
surgery done the old fashioned way, stretch marks and the remnants of some
burns, I was never going to look good.  For me, having the torso job would
probably *improve* the appearance of my abdomen.

BION, I have seen some BFL pics of women who appear to have an apron, but
found a bikini bottom that camouflaged it well.  Ok, still not naked...

Jenn
Jamberoo - 30 Jul 2004 23:36 GMT
When I was 27 having a 30" waist and no belly was important to me.  Now at
40 in December with 2 young boys my main goal is to live to see them grow up
so having some excess skin is not a problem.  I have heard of people who
have went in to have a tummy tuck and died under the aesthetic...  WHAT IS
THE POINT OF THAT?

Peace

J.

> >> Which brings me to another point. When I read that someone got 25
> >>pounds of skin removed after weight loss. And they only lost 100
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>
> Dally
Ignoramus6756 - 30 Jul 2004 20:24 GMT
> Ignoramus2121 <ignoramus2121@NOSPAM.2121.invalid> wrote in news:cecfg5
> $u85$5@pita.alt.net:
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> pounds of skin removed after weight loss. And they only lost 100
> pounds. I would love to know the fat/skin ratio of that removed.

Very interesting Alien, thanks.

i
Jamberoo - 30 Jul 2004 23:31 GMT
Unfortunately yes.

J.

> Alien, I hope that you do not mind my question, we had a thread here
> about excess skin that is left, according to some posters, on all
> people who lose over 100 lbs. Is there some truth to that?
>
> i
GaryG - 30 Jul 2004 07:09 GMT
> I eat on average 900 calories per day and use aprox. 600 calories in
> exorcise.
>
> Don't do as I do but do as you need to!!

Assuming your post is not BS (hey, this is usenet...):

At that level of caloric intake, you are probably not getting enough
vitamins and minerals and may be doing long-term harm to yourself.

Most folks who don't have an eating disorder would consider a 900 calorie
per day diet to be very challenging, if not impossible, to maintain.  It's a
"crash diet", and not a healthy recipe for long term success.

Your weight loss was about 5 times faster than is generally recommended
(most authorities recommend 0.5-1 lb per week - you supposedly lost 4.6 lbs
per week).  Many people who lose weight that fast also end up gaining it
back, because they are not establishing good eating habits for long-term
health and wellness.

Was there some overriding need for you to lose weight that fast?

GG

> > > Starting weight 298 pounds current weight 190 pounds in 23 weeks my
> height
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Doug Freyburger - 30 Jul 2004 22:41 GMT
> Is loosing 106 pounds in 23 weeks OK or am I missing something.

Have you begun plans for a maintenance plan to keep it off?
"Fail to plan an plan to fail".  It would suck to gain it all
back because you fell off the wagaon and binged back the
whole way.  Figuring out how to maintain it is crucial for
you now.

Generally the folks who lose slowest have the best chance
for keeping it off.  How much of this is because slower means
better planned, no one can say.  But at least it means the
time for you to start planning is now.
Jamberoo - 30 Jul 2004 23:14 GMT
Thanx for your positive input.

To be honest the amount I eat at the moment is very OK so to increase to
1900 cals is a bit frightening.  I like my self now and NEVER want to put
the weight back on no matter what it takes.  One other thing.  Some body
mentioned that I would not be getting the proper vitamins and minerals, I
take a supplement every day so don't worry.

Peace

J.

> > Is loosing 106 pounds in 23 weeks OK or am I missing something.
>
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> better planned, no one can say.  But at least it means the
> time for you to start planning is now.
Lictor - 03 Aug 2004 11:39 GMT
> To be honest the amount I eat at the moment is very OK so to increase to
> 1900 cals is a bit frightening.

You can still increase in little steps, and see what happens... Like, +200
calories, keep that for a week or two, check how you're doing and adjust...
I don't think it would be a very good idea to jump right from 900 to 1900.
You're body is likely to be in economy mode, so 1900 might be way to much
for it right now... Increasing the intake in small amounts other time might
allow it to go smoothly out of economy back to normal caloric needs...

> One other thing.  Some body
> mentioned that I would not be getting the proper vitamins and minerals, I
> take a supplement every day so don't worry.

There are supplements and supplements. Some use the cheapest minerals
available, and the body has a very hard time using some minerals in some
chemical forms. Likewise, the body has a hard time assimilating some
vitamins and minerals if you don't eat enough fat and/or eat too much
fibers. That's why I think it's always better to get whatever you need
through real food that have been available and proven for centuries.
If you must take supplements, make sure you use the highest quality ones
available, not the cheapest no-brand ones...
Also, be careful with overdoses. Some vitamines/supplements are unhealthy in
very large amounts (vitamins B, D, potassium, iron...).
Dally - 03 Aug 2004 20:44 GMT
> To be honest the amount I eat at the moment is very OK so to increase to
> 1900 cals is a bit frightening.  I like my self now and NEVER want to put
> the weight back on no matter what it takes.  One other thing.  Some body
> mentioned that I would not be getting the proper vitamins and minerals, I
> take a supplement every day so don't worry.

Jamberoo, a 5'10" tall man living on 900 calories a day is screwing
himeself.  I understand your urge to shrink, but you're not paying
attention to where the weight is coming from.  You're f.cking up your
metabolism, to put it bluntly.

You are losing muscle mass, bone density, heart strength.  Your skin's
metabolic needs aren't being met and you're going to have dry patches
and eczema or psoriasis and certainly lose elasticity and the ability to
have it recede reasonably.

If what you REALLY want to do is lose fat and fix your metabolism and
maintain a healthy weight for the rest of your life then you are going
to have to change substantially.  Otherwise I'll just wave as you yo-yo
past.

Dally, who's lost 70 pounds in 2 years
jmk - 02 Aug 2004 12:37 GMT
>>Is loosing 106 pounds in 23 weeks OK or am I missing something.
>
> Have you begun plans for a maintenance plan to keep it off?
> "Fail to plan an plan to fail".  

Are you referring to diet or politics here?  ;-)

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Jamberoo - 30 Jul 2004 23:18 GMT
Please don't worry I have been to see my Doctor since loosing so much weight
and he shook my hand and told me that I made his day.  I think that if my
general practitioner of 12 years thought that my weight loss was OK then
it's OK.

Peace.

J.
> Is loosing 106 pounds in 23 weeks OK or am I missing something.  I actually
> think that I should be in a news paper?
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Phil M. - 30 Jul 2004 23:20 GMT
> Please don't worry I have been to see my Doctor since loosing so much
> weight and he shook my hand and told me that I made his day.  I think
> that if my general practitioner of 12 years thought that my weight
> loss was OK then it's OK.

Then why did you ask this question in your original post?....

> Is loosing 106 pounds in 23 weeks OK or am I missing something.
> I actually think that I should be in a news paper?

Phil M.

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Jamberoo - 30 Jul 2004 23:26 GMT
Sorry I had a bit to drink and was feeling quite good about my self.  Also I
had just read a news paper article about some body who had just done the
same as me and been given aclame in the press.  I realise now that I was
being an Idiot... Sorry.  Buy the way all I have posted is the truth.

Peace

J.

> > Please don't worry I have been to see my Doctor since loosing so much
> > weight and he shook my hand and told me that I made his day.  I think
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>
> Phil M.
Ignoramus6756 - 31 Jul 2004 00:09 GMT
> Please don't worry I have been to see my Doctor since loosing so much weight
> and he shook my hand and told me that I made his day.  I think that if my
> general practitioner of 12 years thought that my weight loss was OK then
> it's OK.

I understand that you are feeling very good about yourself, for a very
good reason! You definitely showed a lot of determination.

The real challenge now is in front of you, which is to remain slim for
many years.

So, be prepared for it, and one way of being prepared is to learn to
eat at maintenance levels.

i
LucaBG - 03 Aug 2004 20:27 GMT
I agree with ignoramus ...
very hard put ur body at 900 Kcal a day & stay there....:-(

> > Please don't worry I have been to see my Doctor since loosing so much weight
> > and he shook my hand and told me that I made his day.  I think that if my
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> i
 
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