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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / August 2004Back on track
Despite the wedding cake, bbq, beer, wine, breakfasts in hotels, lots of snacking I did over my wedding "holiday"(about a full week) I managed to maintain 189. I am really surprised too because I ate alot of things that were off my plan and never measured/weighed anything. I am sore today however from my exercise routine that I re-started yesterday. I can feel it in the back of my legs/behind mostly. My water intake is something I am most concerned about right now. It glaringly obvious I am not getting enough water since I started watching it closer when the water challenge thread was started. At most in the last week it's only been 1.5-2.0 liters a day. For me that's way below what I was drinking when I was steadily losing(last fall/winter) So, I am having to really push my intake and be very aware of what is going in my mouth. Thing is, I should know this. I can tell by the way I've felt, my skin, chapped lips etc. It really amazes me what we humans will rationalize/justify with some other reason when we get off course. On my list of things to purchase is.. Fish oil supplements - Any suggestions here welcome, thanks Chris for your suggestion in an earlier thread. A pedometer (since I still haven't gotten one) A new set of bras - I could go into a lengthy discussion about this one because I have questions about sports bras vs. underwires etc. Sizes since I've lost weight. But I will save that for another thread maybe. New walking shoes. I've put just about as many miles on my Nikes as I think they will take. Also, a short update on my kiddo and his diabetes. Dallas has been amazingly responsive to the insulin. It's been tough on him food wise but he is being very understanding and cooperative with the food changes/choices he is having to make. The mental/emotional side to this is proving to be easier than I first thought it would be for him. We signed him up and he went to his first support meeting at the clinic our Dr is at with other diabetic children yesterday, so we will see how that pans out for him. Personally I think that the support network he is creating is fantastic. Already he has made friends with other diabetic children from the group. We are still working out the bugs of monitoring/journaling his levels each day throughout the day but his blood sugar is in range most of the time. His only complaints are the skin pricks and he has had a few headaches. What strikes me most about all this is the awareness this is creating for my family as a whole. Now it's not just Dallas and I watching what we eat. It's the whole family, even my extended family when we are all together. Susan 280/189/140 > Despite the wedding cake, bbq, beer, wine, breakfasts in hotels, lots of > snacking I did over my wedding "holiday"(about a full week) I managed to > maintain 189. I am really surprised too because I ate alot of things > that were off my plan and never measured/weighed anything. I am sore > today however from my exercise routine that I re-started yesterday. I > can feel it in the back of my legs/behind mostly. Must be the "honeymoon workout"... i LOL! Yes, there is that :) We had such fun on our trip, we walked miles and miles of San Antonio, swam, did the hottub thing etc. I'm pretty sure that I walked as much as I normally do. I just know I ate too damned much lol, the first night there we went to Texas Land & Cattle Co. http://www.texaslandandcattle.com/ and I got so full! I had the 14 oz ribeye, baked sweet potato, salad, bread (first time I've had white bread in a year too) wine and then we split a Pecan Ball - It was amazing. The next morning we had breakfast in the hotel which was pretty reasonable WOE for me, then lunch at a really good Mexican food place, I can't remember the name. Then we ordered in the room the next night and took our meal by the pool/hottub and I didn't finish my chicken I had ordered. Next day we skipped breakfast as we slept in and then had lunch at Olive Garden which was good. Then we headed home :) I felt a little bloaty from all the sodium however, that's gone today. Susan 280/189/140 > > Despite the wedding cake, bbq, beer, wine, breakfasts in hotels, lots of > > snacking I did over my wedding "holiday"(about a full week) I managed to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > i Sounds like a great honeymoon... i > LOL! > Yes, there is that :) We had such fun on our trip, we walked miles and [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> >> i > LOL! > Yes, there is that :) We had such fun on our trip, we walked miles and > miles of San Antonio, swam, did the hottub thing etc. I'm pretty sure > that I walked as much as I normally do. I just know I ate too damned > much lol, the first night there we went to Texas Land & Cattle Co. I actually ate dinner there when I was in San Antonio 2 years ago - it was the best steak I've ever had. I loved the Riverwalk. My compatriots and I did an "international" pub crawl one night starting at the Irish pub in the Hilton and eventually ending up at the Australian place (via England, Mexico, Italy, China...) Jenn but I didn't get the pecan ball > Despite the wedding cake, bbq, beer, wine, breakfasts in hotels, lots of > snacking I did over my wedding "holiday"(about a full week) I managed to > maintain 189. I am really surprised too because I ate alot of things > that were off my plan and never measured/weighed anything. I am sore > today however from my exercise routine that I re-started yesterday. I > can feel it in the back of my legs/behind mostly. Welcome back. I consider the DOMS to be a great motivator to stay regular in my workouts. If I don't get to the gym at least twice a week I get DOMS when I go back! > My water intake is something I am most concerned about right now. It > glaringly obvious I am not getting enough water since I started watching [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > my skin, chapped lips etc. It really amazes me what we humans will > rationalize/justify with some other reason when we get off course. A joking name for the program I'm on, Body for Life", is "potty for life". :-) Sometimes I think of ASD as a drinking game. See someone mention water, take a drink. <Pauses to gulp.> > On my list of things to purchase is.. > Fish oil supplements - Any suggestions here welcome, thanks Chris for > your suggestion in an earlier thread. I just eat fish. One of my favorite breakfasts is smoked salmon on half of a whole wheat bagel. The Thomaas's 100% whole wheat bagels are fantastic. And I eat a salad with meat on it nearly ever day for lunch and if there's no leftover grilled meat from the day before then I open up a can of tuna and dump it on. And then, of course, we occasionally have fish for dinner. I end up with easily five to seven servings of fish a week. So I don't bother with fish oil pills. > A pedometer (since I still haven't gotten one) McDonald's has two new meals that are worth taking the kids for if they're the McDonalds sort of kids. The new Happy Meals offer chunks of granny smith apples (I think) with a carmel dipping sauce and milk instead of soda. My kids like the apples WAY better than the french fries. The other meals are the Go Fit Meals (or something like that): grilled chicken on a salad, bottled water and they come with a free pedometer. It's not a very good pedometer, but good enough for my purposes. > A new set of bras - I could go into a lengthy discussion about this one > because I have questions about sports bras vs. underwires etc. Sizes > since I've lost weight. But I will save that for another thread maybe. > New walking shoes. I've put just about as many miles on my Nikes as I > think they will take. I prefer an underwire myself and chose to get underwire workout bras. I buy the Champion ones and the best place to find them (or any workout bra!) is Title 9 Sports. They offer really reasonable return policies and they've been nice to deal with. Find them at www.title9sports.com > Also, a short update on my kiddo and his diabetes. Dallas has been > amazingly responsive to the insulin. It's been tough on him food wise [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > creating is fantastic. Already he has made friends with other diabetic > children from the group. This is heartening to hear. I don't know this story (or don't remember it) - is he Type 1 and you've just diagnosed it, or is he an obese kid who has fat loss to handle along with a new diagnosis of Type 2? Was his situation part of your decision to lose weight? It really was one of the triggers for me. I was concerned about the abdominal fat on my 9 year old son and it dawned on me that an obese mother was almost guaranteed to have obese kids. > We are still working out the bugs of > monitoring/journaling his levels each day throughout the day but his [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it's not just Dallas and I watching what we eat. It's the whole family, > even my extended family when we are all together. That's really where I'm at, too. The entire family is doing this, partly because I changed what I buy and cook, and partly because it makes so much sense to teach the kids a reasonable way of eating. They're more likely to have a pizza than I am or an occasional ice cream or donut, but not a LOT more likely. > Susan > 280/189/140 Wow, you're so close to the 100 pound mark! Do you really feel like you still have nearly 50 pounds left to lose? Have you any idea of your body fat percentage? I always get nervous when big women say they want to be 140 - do you really intend to lose muscle mass and bone density to make your mark? But of course I don't know your situation and maybe it's sane for you (nice of me to allow, eh?) :-) Dally 244/174/168 42/26/23 % BF > Welcome back. I consider the DOMS to be a great motivator to stay > regular in my workouts. If I don't get to the gym at least twice a week > I get DOMS when I go back! DOMS I am guessing are the back line of your thigh? LOL, I don't know work-out terms since I don't follow a gym routine (I walk and cycle from home and in my area) They hurt at the moment from all the 7 miles by foot and the 6 by cycle i've put in since yesterday after a weeks layoff. > A joking name for the program I'm on, Body for Life", is "potty for > life". :-) My 15 year old made the remark today once when I was on my way to the potty "Can tell mom is at the water thing again" hehe > I just eat fish. One of my favorite breakfasts is smoked salmon on half > of a whole wheat bagel. The Thomaas's 100% whole wheat bagels are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > fish for dinner. I end up with easily five to seven servings of fish a > week. So I don't bother with fish oil pills. The fish thing is bothersome to me because I *know* I need the supps since I don't eat alot(any) fish. It's been on my list a dozen times to pick up at the store or next time i pass a GNC - I simply haven't done it. > McDonald's has two new meals that are worth taking the kids for if > they're the McDonalds sort of kids. The new Happy Meals offer chunks of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > grilled chicken on a salad, bottled water and they come with a free > pedometer. It's not a very good pedometer, but good enough for my purposes. I think thats what I will do next time I am in "town" - I live a good 25 miles from a McD and no, my kids are not the type. I can count on one hand how many times we've been to a McD's. Living where we live there just isn't opprotunity to be fast food families, for that I am grateful. > I prefer an underwire myself and chose to get underwire workout bras. I > buy the Champion ones and the best place to find them (or any workout > bra!) is Title 9 Sports. They offer really reasonable return policies > and they've been nice to deal with. Find them at www.title9sports.com I prefer the underwires myself as well. But my shape has changed since the weightloss and I can feel the wires cutting into my skin more it seems so I have been considering a change. Not to mention I have lost alot of my boobs with the weightloss and I want something with a little more support (a little more push up) to it. So bra shopping is going to be an ordeal. Thanks for the link, I will check it out. > This is heartening to hear. I don't know this story (or don't remember > it) - is he Type 1 and you've just diagnosed it, or is he an obese kid > who has fat loss to handle along with a new diagnosis of Type 2? Dallas is a challenging kid heh. He's dx as type 1 a few weeks ago and it was a stunning blow to us as a family. He yo-yo's in weight, sometimes as high as 170 and sometimes as low as 130 which at his height and build either one can just outside his range. The dr's say he will level out somewhere around 145-150, he's 5'4" already at 11 years old and one of those "big kids". The yo-yo'ing can be contributed to 2 reasons, he's also ADHD. So the meds for that now have to be changed and we are hoping that with proper diabetic care, his ADHD will improve as well. Diabetes can be a very confusing disease when your talking actual symptoms. For instance, he would do something off the wall and we would pass it off as being part of the ADHD, We know now that it wouldn't be ADHD at all, it would be because of low or high blood sugar. So there ar e alot of thinking habits we are having to let go of as well as making sure his meds/food/journaling are all correct.. ADHD AND Diabetes both. His dx wasn't an intial motivator for me no. But it has enlightened me on alot of things i thought I knew and it has made my family more aware of what THEY eat not just me watching my intake. > That's really where I'm at, too. The entire family is doing this, > partly because I changed what I buy and cook, and partly because it > makes so much sense to teach the kids a reasonable way of eating. > They're more likely to have a pizza than I am or an occasional ice cream > or donut, but not a LOT more likely. My shopping habits have taken a complete 360 degree turn since this time last year. It's amazing to me what we used to buy and eat on a daily basis. I think back on it and go BLEH. Thank goodness I found the good sense to change our lives and thank goodness I have an understanding and adventursome family willing to try anything. > Wow, you're so close to the 100 pound mark! Do you really feel like you > still have nearly 50 pounds left to lose? Have you any idea of your [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > 244/174/168 > 42/26/23 % BF I can't even dscribe how excited I am about almost being a 100 lb loser. That for me is going to be an incredible milestone. I don't know my BF% although I prolly should find out. The scales have been the only #'s I get caught up in. As for the 140? That's just a general goal for me. It holds no particular value. If I feel good at 150..or 145.. I will stay there. I feel good now at 189.. but I know that I would feel better at 150(somewhere in there) I picked the 140 because I had to pick something for my sig line lol. Now.. I DO have a joking bet with my husband about 145 which I'd like to reach just because I said I would.. that if I reach 145 I of course will not have any boobs left worth looking at and at that point we will discuss surgery lol. I sincerely doubt I would get new boobs, but it's fun to joke about with him as I get closer and closer to 145. Back to your question of do I still feel like I have 50 lbs to lose? Yes, I still feel fat and flabby. I still have a fat mental image of myself. I wonder if that will ever go away once I reach "goal". Susan 280/189/140 >>Welcome back. I consider the DOMS to be a great motivator to stay >>regular in my workouts. If I don't get to the gym at least twice a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > foot and the 6 by cycle i've put in since yesterday after a weeks > layoff. Oh! Someone I can proselytize weight-lifting to! DOMS means Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness and it's that stiff aching feeling you get a day or two after doing unaccustomed exercise. I've found that people respond drastically different to DOMS. It makes me feel sort of alive, proud that I use my body and the pain is manageable - a little bit funny even. But I know people who are just in agony and hate it and will do anything never to feel that way again. (They don't tend to succeed at exercise, to say the least!) > The fish thing is bothersome to me because I *know* I need the supps > since I don't eat alot(any) fish. It's been on my list a dozen times to > pick up at the store or next time i pass a GNC - I simply haven't done > it. Could you start? Gorton's makes a "grilled salmon" filet in the frozen food section that is spiced and easy to buy and cook that would be a good entry into this entree. :-) Or try the salmon on bagel idea, or just have tuna in macaroni and cheese once in a while. It's really easy to get it into your diet and it's such an excellent source of protein - as well as healthy fats - that it really ought to be a staple. I was just reading Nutrition Action Healthletter and it says men who eat fish twice a week are less likely to get metastic prostate cancer. They are also less likely to have heart attacks! Part of your transformation here is to make changes one by one until you've completely changed. Maybe eating fish wasn't something you were ready to tackle before, but could you face it now? > I prefer the underwires myself as well. But my shape has changed since > the weightloss and I can feel the wires cutting into my skin more it > seems so I have been considering a change. Not to mention I have lost > alot of my boobs with the weightloss and I want something with a little > more support (a little more push up) to it. So bra shopping is going to > be an ordeal. Thanks for the link, I will check it out. My advice is to get a good tape measure and go to the website ready to take your measurements (wearing a bra that you think fits reasonably well right now.) I got a whole bunch of bras - six I think - and sent back four and got a second of the one I liked best. Title 9 was great about it - that was one of their distinguishing things, in fact. > Dallas is a challenging kid heh. He's dx as type 1 a few weeks ago and > it was a stunning blow to us as a family. He yo-yo's in weight, > sometimes as high as 170 and sometimes as low as 130 which at his height > and build either one can just outside his range. The dr's say he will > level out somewhere around 145-150, he's 5'4" already at 11 years old > and one of those "big kids". Yeah, roughly 25% of my kid's 5th grade class is like this. It's not just obese (although they are) it's also rapid-onset puberty. I sometimes wonder if growth hormones in meat and milk have something to do with this gargantuism. (My kid is maybe 4'11 and 80 pounds but he has noticeable abdominal bulging from visceral fat.) I don't know the answer. It makes me uneasy to see everyone nodding and smiling and talking about what big boys they are - as they serve them an extra serving of cake. > My shopping habits have taken a complete 360 degree turn since this time > last year. It's amazing to me what we used to buy and eat on a daily > basis. I think back on it and go BLEH. Thank goodness I found the good > sense to change our lives and thank goodness I have an understanding and > adventursome family willing to try anything. Have you gotten into deliberate family activities yet? I make a point - we plan for it - of doing some active thing with the family for together-time. We might go roller-blading or canoing or hiking or swimming (we just got back from that). My husband plays tennis with the older kids and goes on bike rides with them individually or together. (We've got a 5 year old in the house with different biking needs so we haven't all been on a bike ride together yet.) Adding the activities is another one of those steps we've made along the way of transforming our lives. It's getting commonplace enough so that the kids all rather expect it now. > I can't even dscribe how excited I am about almost being a 100 lb loser. > That for me is going to be an incredible milestone. I don't know my BF% > although I prolly should find out. The scales have been the only #'s I > get caught up in. It certainly made sense when you were at 280 pounds. You definitely needed to expect to lose lean body mass (LBM) at that point. But at this point you need to start paying attention to it. You don't want to get gaunt with hanging skin and flab everywhere: you want some muscle tone under that skin. You also need muscle to prevent injuries, make you feel energetic, increase your metabolism (so you can EAT!) and give you functional strength for your day to day activities. Losing weight isn't all it's cracked up to be. What you REALLY want to do is lose fat. So here's where I recommend the next step - weight lifting. Have you been to Krista's site? It's such a wonderful resource for anyone with a human body - women particularly - that I tend to give it out in the supermarket! http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html I also recommend you pay more attention to the tape measure than the scale, especially once your fat loss starts to slow down. I'm going at a crawl now - less than 1/2 pound a week. I'd have gone nuts if I weren't tracking measurements over time at http://www.body-for-life-tracker.com/searchprofile.cfm?id=34 As for finding your body fat percentage, reach for that tape measure again. There are a lot of sites and some work better for people than others, but here's the one I use and you're so similar to me that it might work well for you, too: http://www.biofitness.com/bodyfat.html > As for the 140? That's just a general goal for me. It > holds no particular value. If I feel good at 150..or 145.. I will stay [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > new boobs, but it's fun to joke about with him as I get closer and > closer to 145. That's another thing I identify with you on. I know I've given you a lot of gratuitous advice - I felt I had something to offer you so I offered it - but I desperately need support (hugs? wolf-whistles?) about my shocking lack of boobage. I've lost over 6" off my bust - and I wasn't particularly busty before. I keep thinking that the fat loss from there has to stop, but I keep going down steadily. I'm expect flapping pockets of skin within a year. > Back to your question of do I still feel like I have 50 lbs to lose? > Yes, I still feel fat and flabby. I still have a fat mental image of > myself. I wonder if that will ever go away once I reach "goal". Not unless you start doing some resistance training. :-) > Susan > 280/189/140 > > On my list of things to purchase is.. > > Fish oil supplements - Any suggestions here welcome, thanks Chris for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of a whole wheat bagel. The Thomaas's 100% whole wheat bagels are > fantastic. And it's not only salmon (some people don't like it), most fat fish will do... Mackerel, sardines (fresh and grilled or canned with olive oil), tuna, herring... If given the choice between the original food and pills that try to mimick it, I think the original food is a lot better and safer. Sometimes, the laboratories get it wrong, and isolate a single something as the "healthy" part when it's actually an association of stuff. If fat fish has been proven healthy, then it is indeed likely to be trully healthy. Also, there is less risk to overdose on omega-3 when eating fish (unless that's all you eat) than there is with eating pills... > The other meals [at McDonald] are the Go Fit Meals (or something like that): > grilled chicken on a salad, bottled water and they come with a free > pedometer. It's not a very good pedometer, but good enough for my purposes. Mmm... You might check the exact nutritionnal value of that salad. There is one of the salads McDonald sells that manages to have as much fat and calories as the Big Mac... That's not really a problem for most people, unless you manage to convince yourself you're eating some light food and take this as an excuse to eat over stuff along with it... Well, there's a name from the past! How have you been, Lictor? Chris 262/143/ (145-150) Hey :) Done pretty well, on semi-vacations currently (I go, come back home for a week, go again...). As far as the weight loss goes, I have been on a little stall for about a month, but I don't worry too much about it. I guess my body needs a little break after losing close to 50lbs without a pause... At least I seem to maintain my weight effortlessly, weight loss has been proven to be waffle resistant :p Blood results are pretty good too... I'm also taking a semi-vacation from forums, because I often end up spending way too much time there ;) > Well, there's a name from the past! How have you been, Lictor? > > Chris > 262/143/ (145-150) >>The other meals [at McDonald] are >>grilled chicken on a salad [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > unless you manage to convince yourself you're eating some light food and > take this as an excuse to eat over stuff along with it... My son was so proud of himself the other day for ordering a salad at McDonalds. He got the Fiesta Taco salad. Here's a hint: when you cover a salad with greasy hamburger it's not going to be a good choice. My daughter prefers the "crispy chicken" salads. Another hint: if the meat is deep-fried you've got a problem. But I get the grilled chicken salad (which is what I specified above) and it's not like it's a secret choice or something, it's right there on the menu. I also leave off most or all of the dressing. A good hint for that is you put a bit of dressing on and then recover it and shake it really hard. The dressing will coat the salad without using very much. Dally > My son was so proud of himself the other day for ordering a salad at > McDonalds. He got the Fiesta Taco salad. Here's a hint: when you cover > a salad with greasy hamburger it's not going to be a good choice. > > My daughter prefers the "crispy chicken" salads. Another hint: if the > meat is deep-fried you've got a problem. Ah, that must be the ones I had been thinking about... Yet, they're still marketed as diet/healthy food, aren't they? Or at least you're lead the believe they are... > But I get the grilled chicken salad (which is what I specified above) > and it's not like it's a secret choice or something, it's right there on > the menu. Well, since I live in a country where plenty of salads are available for lunch in bars, I just prefer to eat a "real" one ;) > I also leave off most or all of the dressing. A good hint for that is > you put a bit of dressing on and then recover it and shake it really > hard. The dressing will coat the salad without using very much. I do that with my salads at home too - in tupperware of course. Graham Kerr, the English chef who did the Minimax cookbook (and used to be the Galloping Gourmet) recommends using a salad spinner to apply dressing. Jenn > I do that with my salads at home too - in tupperware of course. Graham > Kerr, the English chef who did the Minimax cookbook (and used to be the > Galloping Gourmet) recommends using a salad spinner to apply dressing. Some people also recommend using your hands to mix the salad... I like to put my hands in food (really, I don't use the robot to bake pastry, wasn't satisfying), but it never occured to me to use them to mix my salad with them... I will give it a hand (ha ha) next time I make one... I'm so glad Dallas is doing well, Susan! And when you want ideas on bras and shoes, just ask :-). Chris > Despite the wedding cake, bbq, beer, wine, breakfasts in hotels, lots of > snacking I did over my wedding "holiday"(about a full week) I managed to > maintain 189. I am really surprised too because I ate alot of things > that were off my plan and never measured/weighed anything. That's maybe because you really didn't pay much attention to what you ate... When you're eating unconsciously, your body can do a rather good job at managing stuff like this. This happened to me a couple of weeks ago, while I spent a whole week at a theater festival. So, it was (tasty) festival style food in the afternoon and evening : Belgian waffles (the ones that are very dense with caramelized chunks of sugar), French fries, pasta with thick sauce, kebabs, beer, wine... And at lunch, it was eating with my girlfriend's grandparents, who tend to confuse feeding people and filling them up. After a while, I did feel positively fed up, and hunger took a long while to come, so I got down to two meals a day (lunch and dinner, breakfast just disappeared), not eating between meals as I usually do (because merely thinking of eating was nauseating) and skipping dessert and starters most of the time (again, no room left for dessert, and if I took a starter, not hungry enough for the main course)... But I still felt like eating a lot. The end result was that I lost 1 kg during that week. I did eat more than usually, because you use up a lot of energy at a festival (walking something like 10km a day, standing up most of the day, forcing your way through a thick crowd...) and my body reacted to that by making me eat more... Anyway, the end result is that I lost 1kg on waffles, French fries and beer :p > Also, a short update on my kiddo and his diabetes. Dallas has been > amazingly responsive to the insulin. It's been tough on him food wise > but he is being very understanding and cooperative with the food > changes/choices he is having to make. If he is type 1, he is not supposed to have much restriction on food intake actually. There are two options : set insuline amount and set carb intake or variable carb intake and variable insulin amount (bolus) to deal with it. The first is easier to manage, but more frustrating. The second does take work and practice, but lets you enjoy living closer to a normal person. Remember that diabete (especially type 1) is *not* a problem with the amount of carb you eat, it's a problem with producing no or little insulin. A normal person will eat as much carb as he feels like it, and it will change greatly from one meal to the other. Then, the pancrea will produce the right amount of insulin to deal with whatever was eaten - all this with no overall effect on health. It's possible for a type 1 to learn how to mimick a pancrea by hand, through teaching and practice. Anyway, that's worth talking about with your specialist if your kid is suffering from not being able to eat like the other kids. Or it's possible to control the diabete first, using diet and constant insulin doses (because it's easier) and then, later, to learn how to adapt the doses (because it's a more pleasant way of life). Of course, the matter is different if there is *also* a problem with his weight. I'm glad to hear Dallas is doing well. Congratulations on maintaining over a hectic time for you. Beverly > Despite the wedding cake, bbq, beer, wine, breakfasts in hotels, lots of > snacking I did over my wedding "holiday"(about a full week) I managed to [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Susan > 280/189/140 |
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