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jas - 31 Jul 2004 18:22 GMT
I want to lose approx 2 pound per week and i think calorie counting and
restricting my foods to ones I know the calories of is the way to go for
me.

I am approximately 350 pounds and have a target of end of 2005 to reach
what I term as my ideal weight of 210 pounds.

Initially for calorie counting I need to know how many calories a day my
body uses when at rest (which is most of the day!) It seems to be BMR
that gives me this figure of 2972 calories per day for a man of my age,
height and weight.

So, to start with I was thinking of keeping my calorie intake to 3000
calories per day (as it is resting figure i was thinking my daily
activities would therefore make me lose a little weight?) and after a
few weeks see how that makes me feel, lose weight, etc and then
increase, decrease accordingly but try and keep somewhere near the 2
pound per week figure.

Is this the way to work when calorie counting?
Ignoramus11294 - 31 Jul 2004 19:11 GMT
> I want to lose approx 2 pound per week and i think calorie counting and
> restricting my foods to ones I know the calories of is the way to go for
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> that gives me this figure of 2972 calories per day for a man of my age,
> height and weight.

BMR is variable and depends on your body fat percentage, activity
level, thyroid level etc.

The easiest way to measure it is to eat normally for a week and count
all calories. If you do not lose or gain weight, that you would be
your baseline rate (not basal, as it would include exercise that you
do).

If you subtract 1000 calories from your eating, you would be losing 2
lbs per week, or 104 lbs per year, which would be right on track for
your weight goal.

> So, to start with I was thinking of keeping my calorie intake to 3000
> calories per day (as it is resting figure i was thinking my daily
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>
> Is this the way to work when calorie counting?

This is the best way to do it, yes. Make sure that you drop least
nutritious foods. Also, you need exercise, but you do not need to buy
expensive equipment or gym membership. You can if you want to, but it
is optional.

i
Phil M. - 31 Jul 2004 20:44 GMT
> I want to lose approx 2 pound per week and i think calorie counting and
> restricting my foods to ones I know the calories of is the way to go for
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>
> Is this the way to work when calorie counting?

What Ingnaramus said plus I'd get a good way of tracking your calories in
and calories out (exercise). What I use is a program called DietPower.
There are others, such as FitDay that work well. You can download a 2-
week trial at http://www.dietpower.com. Also, get yourself a decent food
scale, here's a good one:
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=3654134

I've been tracking everying I eat for over a year now. I've gone from 245
lbs last July to 165 lbs this April. I've been maintaining between 160
and 165 since then.

Phil M.

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Ignoramus11294 - 31 Jul 2004 21:11 GMT
> I've been tracking everying I eat for over a year now. I've gone from 245
> lbs last July to 165 lbs this April. I've been maintaining between 160
> and 165 since then.

Congratulations!

i
jas - 02 Aug 2004 11:11 GMT
> What Ingnaramus said plus I'd get a good way of tracking your calories in
> and calories out (exercise). What I use is a program called DietPower.
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>
> Phil M.

ive signed up to fitday and will see how that goes.

cheers
Phil M. - 02 Aug 2004 17:12 GMT
>> What Ingnaramus said plus I'd get a good way of tracking your
>> calories in and calories out (exercise). What I use is a program
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>
> ive signed up to fitday and will see how that goes.

Good for you! It will work if you stick to it. It's all about motivation. I
find that logging everything I eat to be a highly motivating factor. At
first, it may sound like a lot of work to weigh and measure everything that
goes in your mouth. I don't know about FitDay, but DietPower has the
ability to know your favorite foods so that I can quickly log a meal in a
matter of 1 minute. It can get a little tricky if you frequently eat out. I
found a book that lists several restaurants that give caloric content of
some of their meals. I only go to those restaurants if I can help it. Also,
when my wife makes a recipe she knows to save all the ingredient lists so
that I can figure out what I'm actually eating.

Phil M.

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Chris Braun - 31 Jul 2004 22:42 GMT
>I want to lose approx 2 pound per week and i think calorie counting and
>restricting my foods to ones I know the calories of is the way to go for
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>
>Is this the way to work when calorie counting?

In general, yes.  I think that setting a starting figure, then seeing
what happens and adjusting, is the right approach.  I'd also recommend
setting some goals for nutrients -- like making sure you get adequate
protein and fiber.  (And it probably goes without saying that you
should try to spend your calories on mostly nutritious foods and not
all on beer and French fries and candy bars :-).)

My guess is that your starting figure of 3000 calories per day might
be a bit high to lead to weight loss, but it doesn't hurt to get the
wrong starting point as long as you adjust.  Do you have any idea how
many calories per day you consumer now?  Lots of people here like
using www.fitday.com to track their calories.  You could always put a
few current sample days into it and see what you're eating now.
Clearly, a change will be needed to lose weight.

Also, are you planning to gradually add some exercise to your
lifestyle?  Exercise is important for everyone, and it will really
help you lose weight and maintain your loss.

I lost my weight by calorie counting, and I took an approach of
setting a figure and then adjusting as needed.  I was already
exercising a fair bit -- mostly weightlifting -- but added more cardio
to the mix.

I personally would recommend not setting a deadline for yourself to
reach your goal weight, but that's up to you.  If you don't lose at
your planned rate you don't want to think of yourself as unsuccessful,
after all.  What's most important is the direction of the line, not
the slope.

If you hang around here you'll get lots of good advice.  Some of it
will be conflicting, of course, but you can filter it to fit your
needs.

Wishing you success!

Chris
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Kasey - 01 Aug 2004 03:34 GMT
Greetings and welcome.

>>I am approximately 350 pounds and have a target of end of 2005 to reach
>what I term as my ideal weight of 210 pounds.<<

Regulars in this group probably get tired of hearing me say this, but
it is unwise to start any new way of eating without consulting with
your physician and having a complete physical.

At 350 pounds, it is possible that you have obesity-related health
issues. Find out what they are and how diet affects them.

You might also benefit from consulting with a nutritionist. She can
help with BMR, calorie consumption and your other questions.

As always, YMMV.

Kasey
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Chris Braun - 01 Aug 2004 13:20 GMT
>Regulars in this group probably get tired of hearing me say this, but
>it is unwise to start any new way of eating without consulting with
>your physician and having a complete physical.

Nah -- you're absolutely right!  Most of us just forget to say this.

Chris
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SnugBear - 02 Aug 2004 01:54 GMT
> Regulars in this group probably get tired of hearing me say this, but
> it is unwise to start any new way of eating without consulting with
> your physician and having a complete physical.

Kasey, we *rely* on you to say it! <s>

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jas - 02 Aug 2004 11:04 GMT
> Regulars in this group probably get tired of hearing me say this, but
> it is unwise to start any new way of eating without consulting with
> your physician and having a complete physical.
> At 350 pounds, it is possible that you have obesity-related health
> issues. Find out what they are and how diet affects them.

I get a regular yearly with my doc and other than overweight and a scowl
from him and telling off every year i put on weight currently theres no
other issues.

I hope to astound him with my success for next years one.
jas - 02 Aug 2004 11:10 GMT
> In general, yes.  I think that setting a starting figure, then seeing
> what happens and adjusting, is the right approach.  I'd also recommend
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> few current sample days into it and see what you're eating now.
> Clearly, a change will be needed to lose weight.

I have re-assessed this to start at 2500 calories and initially 750
breakfast, 750 lunch and 1000 for evening meal ... as evening is the
time I have difficulty in controlling my eating.

> Also, are you planning to gradually add some exercise to your
> lifestyle?  Exercise is important for everyone, and it will really
> help you lose weight and maintain your loss.

Yes, I already swim 3 times a week (1000m each time) I will be adding 3
times a week walking to this. I wont know how much I can do until I do
it but expect to do a couple miles on first try.

> I personally would recommend not setting a deadline for yourself to
> reach your goal weight, but that's up to you.  If you don't lose at
> your planned rate you don't want to think of yourself as unsuccessful,
> after all.  What's most important is the direction of the line, not
> the slope.

Its not really a deadline ... just something to aim for, based on purely
2 pound per week loss being target weight reached roughly by end of next
year but if it take another year it doesnt matter - it took me several
years to put it on.

> If you hang around here you'll get lots of good advice.  Some of it
> will be conflicting, of course, but you can filter it to fit your
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> Chris
> 262/143/ (145-150)

thanks
Succorso - 01 Aug 2004 17:26 GMT
> I want to lose approx 2 pound per week and i think calorie counting and
> restricting my foods to ones I know the calories of is the way to go for
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Is this the way to work when calorie counting?

IMHO you are coming at this the wrong way. Rather than try and work out
how you can eat as much as possible and still lose weight, try this.

Examine your lifestyle, look at what exercise you get, and plan your
diet so as to fuel that activity. You'll probably come to a completely
different conclusion.

If you aren't going to factor in what exercise you are getting - you'll
only ever be looking at 50% of the problem, and you will always be
overweight.

I have two sisters - they are both thin; one eats approximately 900
calories a day, but then she sits and watches TV most of the day (I
know, I know... yawwnnnn) whilst the other, who cycles, swims, plays
badminton and tennis, eats around 2500 calories a day. See how it works?

--
Succorso
jas - 02 Aug 2004 11:02 GMT
> IMHO you are coming at this the wrong way. Rather than try and work out
> how you can eat as much as possible and still lose weight, try this.

I dont want to eat as much as possible - I want to eat at a level that
allows a steady 2 pound per week loss - that is something entirely
different.

> Examine your lifestyle, look at what exercise you get, and plan your
> diet so as to fuel that activity. You'll probably come to a completely
> different conclusion.

No, it'll be the same conclusion - eat enough to lose 2 pound per week.

> If you aren't going to factor in what exercise you are getting - you'll
> only ever be looking at 50% of the problem, and you will always be
> overweight.

Ok, didnt talk excercise but I will be swimming 3 times per week (1000m
approx 30 lengths in a 33m pool) and walking 3 times per week (I walk
around at work too but I mean going out specifically to walk for
exercise)

> I have two sisters - they are both thin; one eats approximately 900
> calories a day, but then she sits and watches TV most of the day (I
> know, I know... yawwnnnn) whilst the other, who cycles, swims, plays
> badminton and tennis, eats around 2500 calories a day. See how it works?

Yes, which is why I need to find out how many calories i'll be using and
until I set a figure to eat at I wont know for sure if that will give me
the loss I want. If it doesnt i'll adjust accordingly.

If I go on a sudden starvation diet it'll bounce back to stupid eating,
but if i monitor what I am eating, balance it out with fruits, veg &
salads as well as lean meats, wholemeal bread and skimmed milk, etc and
switch to drinking mostly water then I dont see a problem.

I think the whole point is to find out what I should be eating, compared
to what I was eating and learn from it for life, not for a few weeks.
Initially calorie counting will help me limit food intake to what I
should be taking in as guessing doesnt work for me.

Also, I want to regulate my life so that I generally do have a fairly
steady requirement as far as intake goes.
Lictor - 03 Aug 2004 11:09 GMT
> I want to lose approx 2 pound per week

As long as you're aware that some weeks you won't be losing that much, and
others, you will lose slightly more. And that you might experience slow
downs or even stalls (especially as you go near your normal weight and/or
when you have lost a lot rather quickly) and that it is indeed perfectly
normal.

> I am approximately 350 pounds and have a target of end of 2005 to reach
> what I term as my ideal weight of 210 pounds.

The problem with setting a precise goal is that sometimes you don't make it,
and then you get a feeling of utter failure that can ruin all your efforts
and cause you to binge/drop the diet. Even though you did lose weight and
that any weight lost *is* an achievement. Having goals is ok, because it can
be motivating, but you have to be flexible about that and keep a positive
attitude (I lost x% of my goal, rather than I have y% left to lose).

> Initially for calorie counting I need to know how many calories a day my
> body uses when at rest (which is most of the day!) It seems to be BMR
> that gives me this figure of 2972 calories per day for a man of my age,
> height and weight.

I would be extra extra careful with whatever BMR a site comes with.
Understand that it is an average, it's not *your* BMR. It's like saying the
average American of your race, sex and ethnicity earns $x a year. It's a
useful statistical information and it's also useful if you want to compare
yourself to the average. But if you were to plan your budget according to
these $x instead of what you actually earn, bad things would happen...
That's the same with your calculated BMR, and I suspect it varies from
people to people as much as average income. I wouldn't say your BMR is 2972,
it's rather 3k +- 1000 or something like that.
The best way to get a good value is to track how much you *currently* eat,
over several days/weeks and take an average. If you have kept a constant
weight during that time, then you have a good value of the amount of
calories *you* need to keep a constant weight. It's a good value to work on
from...
 
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