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Ignoramus2586 - 02 Aug 2004 18:21 GMT Binge-eating not solely caused by poor willpower, a weak gene helped: study
Mar. 20, 2003 Provided by: Canadian Press Written by: JEFF DONN
BOSTON (AP) - Binge-eaters who say they can't help it may be right.
A study suggests a weak gene, not feeble willpower, may be the cause for some people. The research may point the way to a future pill to tame their appetites.
The joint Swiss-German-American study makes the strongest case yet that genetic mistakes can cause an eating disorder, researchers say. Traditionally, eating behaviour has been viewed as complex and cultural in its causes. "Willpower is not always important to reduce weight. Some people can by willpower. Some cannot, and I think these patients have a hard time," said Dr. Fritz Horber, the leader of the binge-eating study at the Hirslanden Clinic in Zurich, Switzerland.
Researchers have been trying to understand the reasons for an epidemic of obesity, which raises the risk for heart disease, diabetes and many other ailments. About 30 per cent of American adults are obese, up from 14 per cent 25 years ago, according to government data. The surge is widely blamed on abundant high-calorie foods and sedentary lifestyles.
However, some researchers have also begun to link several genes to obesity, implicating heredity as an important underlying factor. Increasingly, eating problems are thought to stem from a subtle interaction of lifestyle and multiple genes.
Binge-eaters, who are usually but not always overweight, frequently and compulsively stuff themselves - often in secret - and feel ashamed afterward.
In this study, published Thursday in The New England Journal of Medicine, the researchers focused on a gene linked to obesity in earlier studies. Known as the melanocortin 4 receptor gene, it makes a protein by that name that helps stimulate appetite in the brain's hunger-regulating hypothalamus. If a mutated gene makes too little protein, the body feels too much hunger.
The researchers considered 469 severely obese white adults - a quarter of them binge-eaters. However, the disorder was much more common among the five per cent with the mutated gene. All of them were binge-eaters, compared to just 14 per cent of those with no mutated gene.
In another study in the same journal issue, a British team reported finding mutations of the same gene in more than five per cent of 500 severely obese children. The genetic link was so strong the researchers could use results from chemical tests on their genetic DNA to predict how much the children would eat at a meal.
Horber, the Swiss researcher, said other eating disorders, including other types of bingeing, probably stem from a variety of genes and environmental factors. However, he said the still-unnamed binge-eating syndrome tied to this gene is especially important because it is perhaps the most stubbornly resistant to dieting and exercise.
Horber said the binge-eaters in his study felt a wave of relief from guilt when they learned of the genetic cause behind their compulsion. Dr. Stephen O'Rahilly, one of the British study's researchers at the University of Cambridge, said one family in that study was so ecstatic over evidence of a physical cause that they made themselves T-shirts saying, "We've got an MC4 mutation."
Eric Ravussin, a Louisiana State University researcher on obesity genetics, said, however, that without more biochemical proof, he remains "a little bit skeptical" that these mutations - and not others located nearby on the same chromosome - are the syndrome's precise cause.
But Dr. Joel Habener, a diabetes expert at Boston's Massachusetts General Hospital who co-wrote an accompanying editorial, said the Swiss-led study demonstrates either the "genetic cause or a very strong association."
And he agreed with the researchers, who said future drugs acting like the melanocortin 4 receptor protein may compensate for the genetic defect. Habener said such chemicals are apt to be small molecules that can be delivered as pills.
ALIEN_69@c.com - 03 Aug 2004 02:48 GMT Ignoramus2586 <ignoramus2586@NOSPAM.2586.invalid> wrote in news:celt7i $akg$0@pita.alt.net:
> Binge-eating not solely caused by poor willpower, a weak gene helped: > study Interesting info Ig. Thanks.
Carol Frilegh - 03 Aug 2004 14:10 GMT > Binge-eating not solely caused by poor willpower, a weak gene helped: > study Interesting but knowing why does not change what ius required to control, halt, reduc eating binges.
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Ignoramus7404 - 03 Aug 2004 14:43 GMT >> Binge-eating not solely caused by poor willpower, a weak gene helped: >> study > > Interesting but knowing why does not change what ius required to > control, halt, reduc eating binges. I think that knowing why goes a long way. Note though that the gene in question is present only in a fraction of bulimics. According to the article, only about a qarter of binge eaters had that gene.
Let's say that we know that some person lacks a melanocortin receptor gene. According to the article, ``said future drugs acting like the melanocortin 4 receptor protein may compensate for the genetic defect''
That would be pretty good if some people's problems could be addresses through some supplementation.
My personal opinion, which is an opinion and not fact, is that genes and metabolism play a bigger role than we assume, and psychology plays a lesser role than we assume.
Science is fun!
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janice - 03 Aug 2004 16:41 GMT >>> Binge-eating not solely caused by poor willpower, a weak gene helped: >>> study [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >and metabolism play a bigger role than we assume, and psychology plays >a lesser role than we assume. My instinct is the opposite to this. I find this theory hard to relate to, but maybe science will prove me wrong.
I didn't see any specific reference to bulimics in the article you posted, although you mention them above.
The article refers to a pill to tame the appetite. My experience of bingeing is that it has very little to do with hunger or appetite and a lot to do with what goes on in the mind.
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Ignoramus7404 - 03 Aug 2004 16:55 GMT >>>> Binge-eating not solely caused by poor willpower, a weak gene helped: >>>> study [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > My instinct is the opposite to this. I find this theory hard to > relate to, but maybe science will prove me wrong. Note that only a quarter of those binge eaters had that gene. So, there is a 75% chance that you do not have that specific gene.
> The article refers to a pill to tame the appetite. My experience of > bingeing is that it has very little to do with hunger or appetite and > a lot to do with what goes on in the mind. Think about libido. We see some members of the opposite sex and are attracted to them. We see a beautiful smile, etc, feel attraction and so on. It is all in our mind, right? On the other hand, sexual attraction is genetically programmed.
Maybe the relationship between what we think about, and how we are programmed genetically, plays a role in eating.
For example, weight of adopted children correlates well with the weight of their biological parents, but very little with the weight of their adoptive parents.
Or, maybe, some people's eating patterns are psychological or determined by how they learned to eat, and for some people they are genetic.
Anyhow, I find it fascinating to see genes that are reponsible for behaviors.
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Lictor - 03 Aug 2004 20:18 GMT > The article refers to a pill to tame the appetite. My experience of > bingeing is that it has very little to do with hunger or appetite and > a lot to do with what goes on in the mind. Same here... I have found out that actually listening to my appetite and hunger (which is easier said than done) makes serious bingeing virtually impossible. Now, bingeing means eating that extra yogourt without being hungry - more than that and I feel so unwell I don't feel like eating more. Bingeing is only possible when your unconscious mind managers to completely obliterate the proper signalling your brain gets from your body; and it's actually trully impressive how powerful and efficient the unconscious mind is at performing that trick. That's also a purely psychological trick. I needed no meds to do it, and I needed no meds to re-learn how to detect when I have had my fill... I would not take any pill to tame my appetite... Appetite is my friend, it tells me when to eat and when to stop :)
janice - 03 Aug 2004 20:36 GMT >> The article refers to a pill to tame the appetite. My experience of >> bingeing is that it has very little to do with hunger or appetite and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >I would not take any pill to tame my appetite... Appetite is my friend, it >tells me when to eat and when to stop :) Yes, Lictor, I read your earlier post when you said this and found it interesting. I'm very aware that I don't listen to my appetite, although having said that my digestive system is a bit screwed up from years of bingeing and I don't often feel "genuine" hunger.
I know that the one time I took appetite suppressants, many years ago, I still overate regardless, for reasons that presumably had nothing to do with hunger. I would never take them again, they teach you nothing.
I'm glad you seem to have found the right way, although you make it sound rather easy but I'm sure it hasn't been.
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Lictor - 03 Aug 2004 21:43 GMT > I'm glad you seem to have found the right way, although you make it > sound rather easy but I'm sure it hasn't been. It depends on where you start... If you start right at the time when I decided to lose weight, it was rather easy actually. If you include the panic attacks and dealing with them in the years before, the depression periods, quitting my two packs of cigarette a day and stuff like that, it wasn't so easy... The great discovery was to find that all these were linked together. And that by addressing the depression, I was also dealing with over-eating. Or that quitting the cigarette actually taught me about my eating habits. I think I started with trying to lose weight when I was ready to do so, a lot had been done silently beforehand. Another factor is that I haven't done many diets before. So, I only had my own faults to deal with, I didn't have to deal with those of several nutritionnists and fad diets... That also helped a bunch...
Barbara Hirsch - 04 Aug 2004 20:48 GMT >Binge-eating not solely caused by poor willpower, a weak gene helped: >study I wrote this study up about a year or so ago when it came out. The melanocortin-4 receptor IMC4R) mutation is the most common genetic cause of obesity. The reason for this is that it's dominantly inherited, i.e., you only need one allele of the gene to have the mutation expressed. There are many variations of the mutation, and some result in more obesity than others.
In the study researchers found that the subjects with the mutation had a higher prevalence of binge eating disorder (BED) than those without the mutation. However, since the researchers were looking for a reason for the obesity, they did not report data on any subjects with bulimia. Therefore, it can't be concluded from the article that bingeing and purging are related to MC4R.
However, just because many people with BED are free of the MC4R mutation does not mean they don't have another unknown genetic reason for the behavior. All causes of obesity have an environmental and a genetic component. In some cases, the genetic component is so overwhelming that it is all but impossible to control the obesity (i.e., leptin mutations, leptin receptor mutations) and in others, it is fairly easy to contain with extra effort.
FWIW,
Barbara Hirsch, Publisher OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development http://www.obesity-news.com/
Ignoramus11472 - 04 Aug 2004 21:13 GMT >>Binge-eating not solely caused by poor willpower, a weak gene helped: >>study [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > mutation expressed. There are many variations of the mutation, and > some result in more obesity than others. Interesting.
That implies that a person with IMC4R mutation must have one parent with same mutation that manifests itself in the parent's phenotype, right?
> In the study researchers found that the subjects with the mutation > had a higher prevalence of binge eating disorder (BED) than those > without the mutation. However, since the researchers were looking > for a reason for the obesity, they did not report data on any > subjects with bulimia. Therefore, it can't be concluded from the > article that bingeing and purging are related to MC4R. Didn't the study imply that 1/4 of the cases of bingeing involve IMC4R mutation? (all people with the mutation were binging, IIRC)
> However, just because many people with BED are free of the MC4R > mutation does not mean they don't have another unknown genetic reason > for the behavior. Agreed.
> All causes of obesity have an environmental and a genetic > component. In some cases, the genetic component is so overwhelming > that it is all but impossible to control the obesity (i.e., leptin > mutations, leptin receptor mutations) and in others, it is fairly > easy to contain with extra effort. Thanks for an interesting summary.
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Barbara Hirsch - 05 Aug 2004 02:33 GMT >That implies that a person with IMC4R mutation must have one parent >with same mutation that manifests itself in the parent's phenotype, >right? Yes.
>Didn't the study imply that 1/4 of the cases of bingeing involve MC4R >mutation? (all people with the mutation were binging, IIRC) No, not all people with the mutation had binge eating disorder. The percentage was higher.
Barbara Hirsch, Publisher OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development http://www.obesity-news.com/
Ignoramus11472 - 05 Aug 2004 02:59 GMT >>That implies that a person with IMC4R mutation must have one parent >>with same mutation that manifests itself in the parent's phenotype, >>right? > > Yes. Makes sense.
>>Didn't the study imply that 1/4 of the cases of bingeing involve MC4R >>mutation? (all people with the mutation were binging, IIRC) > > No, not all people with the mutation had binge eating disorder. The > percentage was higher. I was reading article 12646666, which said:
``All mutation carriers reported binge eating, as compared with 14.2 percent of obese subjects without mutations (P<0.001) and 0 percent of the normal-weight subjects without mutations.''
After I looked the second time, I found a study that stated the opposite, that carriers of this mutation were in all ways like people with the wild type gene. (15037865).
Go figure!
i who is wondering about the genes he carries
Barbara Hirsch - 07 Aug 2004 13:58 GMT >>>That implies that a person with IMC4R mutation must have one parent >>>with same mutation that manifests itself in the parent's phenotype, >>>right? >> >> Yes. For clarification. If the parent has 1 gene for the MCR4 mutation there is a 50/50 chance the child will inherit it (assuming the other parent is not affected). If the parent has both genes, the chance is 100 percent.
Barbara Hirsch, Publisher OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development http://www.obesity-news.com/
Ignoramus28438 - 07 Aug 2004 15:35 GMT >>>>That implies that a person with IMC4R mutation must have one parent >>>>with same mutation that manifests itself in the parent's phenotype, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > parent is not affected). If the parent has both genes, the chance is > 100 percent. Yes. But if the child has it, then one parent must have it with a 100% probability.
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DZ - 07 Aug 2004 21:56 GMT > I wrote this study up about a year or so ago when it came out. The > melanocortin-4 receptor IMC4R) mutation is the most common genetic > cause of obesity. The reason for this is that it's dominantly > inherited, i.e., you only need one allele of the gene to have the > mutation expressed. There are many variations of the mutation, and > some result in more obesity than others. 1) It's different mutations within one gene rather than many variations of the mutation.
2) Some of these mutations are dominant, others are not: http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/106/2/271
3) There are even combinations that predispose carriers to obesity in the heterozygote state -- one would need two different mutations for the obesity risk to increase: http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/106/2/185
DZ
> In the study researchers found that the subjects with the mutation had > a higher prevalence of binge eating disorder (BED) than those without [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development > http://www.obesity-news.com/ Barbara Hirsch - 08 Aug 2004 15:39 GMT >> mutation expressed. There are many variations of the mutation, and >> some result in more obesity than others. > >1) It's different mutations within one gene rather than many >variations of the mutation. Symantics. I didn't say polymorophism, I said variations of the mutation.
>2) Some of these mutations are dominant, others are not: >http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/106/2/271 So?
>3) There are even combinations that predispose carriers to obesity in >the heterozygote state -- one would need two different mutations for >the obesity risk to increase: >http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/106/2/185 Depends on the mutation. Some are more sever than others.
Barbara Hirsch, Publisher OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development http://www.obesity-news.com/
DZ - 08 Aug 2004 17:03 GMT >>> mutation expressed. There are many variations of the mutation, and >>> some result in more obesity than others. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > So? This discussion so far revolved under the assumption that the mechanism (considering polymorphisms at melanocortin 4 receptor) is via dominant inheritance. However, some mutations in this gene show recessive mechanism and there are even situations where two different mutations are required. It would then be misleading to say that there is 50% chance for the offspring to have increased obesity predisposition given that one parent carries one copy of the mutation, because one would also have to consider the mutation type.
DZ
>>3) There are even combinations that predispose carriers to obesity in >>the heterozygote state -- one would need two different mutations for [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development > http://www.obesity-news.com/
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