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Ignoramus2586 - 02 Aug 2004 18:21 GMT
Binge-eating not solely caused by poor willpower, a weak gene helped:
study

       Mar. 20, 2003  
       
       
Provided by: Canadian Press    
       
Written by: JEFF DONN  
       

BOSTON (AP) - Binge-eaters who say they can't help it may be right.

A study suggests a weak gene, not feeble willpower, may be the cause
for some people. The research may point the way to a future pill to
tame their appetites.

The joint Swiss-German-American study makes the strongest case yet
that genetic mistakes can cause an eating disorder, researchers
say. Traditionally, eating behaviour has been viewed as complex and
cultural in its causes. "Willpower is not always important to reduce
weight. Some people can by willpower. Some cannot, and I think these
patients have a hard time," said Dr. Fritz Horber, the leader of the
binge-eating study at the Hirslanden Clinic in Zurich, Switzerland.

Researchers have been trying to understand the reasons for an epidemic
of obesity, which raises the risk for heart disease, diabetes and many
other ailments. About 30 per cent of American adults are obese, up
from 14 per cent 25 years ago, according to government data. The surge
is widely blamed on abundant high-calorie foods and sedentary
lifestyles.

However, some researchers have also begun to link several genes to
obesity, implicating heredity as an important underlying
factor. Increasingly, eating problems are thought to stem from a
subtle interaction of lifestyle and multiple genes.

Binge-eaters, who are usually but not always overweight, frequently
and compulsively stuff themselves - often in secret - and feel ashamed
afterward.

In this study, published Thursday in The New England Journal of
Medicine, the researchers focused on a gene linked to obesity in
earlier studies. Known as the melanocortin 4 receptor gene, it makes a
protein by that name that helps stimulate appetite in the brain's
hunger-regulating hypothalamus. If a mutated gene makes too little
protein, the body feels too much hunger.

The researchers considered 469 severely obese white adults - a quarter
of them binge-eaters. However, the disorder was much more common among
the five per cent with the mutated gene. All of them were
binge-eaters, compared to just 14 per cent of those with no mutated
gene.

In another study in the same journal issue, a British team reported
finding mutations of the same gene in more than five per cent of 500
severely obese children. The genetic link was so strong the
researchers could use results from chemical tests on their genetic DNA
to predict how much the children would eat at a meal.

Horber, the Swiss researcher, said other eating disorders, including
other types of bingeing, probably stem from a variety of genes and
environmental factors. However, he said the still-unnamed binge-eating
syndrome tied to this gene is especially important because it is
perhaps the most stubbornly resistant to dieting and exercise.

Horber said the binge-eaters in his study felt a wave of relief from
guilt when they learned of the genetic cause behind their
compulsion. Dr. Stephen O'Rahilly, one of the British study's
researchers at the University of Cambridge, said one family in that
study was so ecstatic over evidence of a physical cause that they made
themselves T-shirts saying, "We've got an MC4 mutation."

Eric Ravussin, a Louisiana State University researcher on obesity
genetics, said, however, that without more biochemical proof, he
remains "a little bit skeptical" that these mutations - and not others
located nearby on the same chromosome - are the syndrome's precise
cause.

But Dr. Joel Habener, a diabetes expert at Boston's Massachusetts
General Hospital who co-wrote an accompanying editorial, said the
Swiss-led study demonstrates either the "genetic cause or a very
strong association."

And he agreed with the researchers, who said future drugs acting like
the melanocortin 4 receptor protein may compensate for the genetic
defect. Habener said such chemicals are apt to be small molecules that
can be delivered as pills.
ALIEN_69@c.com - 03 Aug 2004 02:48 GMT
Ignoramus2586 <ignoramus2586@NOSPAM.2586.invalid> wrote in news:celt7i
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> Binge-eating not solely caused by poor willpower, a weak gene helped:
> study

Interesting info Ig. Thanks.
Carol Frilegh - 03 Aug 2004 14:10 GMT
> Binge-eating not solely caused by poor willpower, a weak gene helped:
> study

Interesting but knowing why does not change what ius required to
control, halt, reduc eating binges.

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Ignoramus7404 - 03 Aug 2004 14:43 GMT
>> Binge-eating not solely caused by poor willpower, a weak gene helped:
>> study
>
> Interesting but knowing why does not change what ius required to
> control, halt, reduc eating binges.

I think that knowing why goes a long way. Note though that the gene in
question is present only in a fraction of bulimics. According to the
article, only about a qarter of binge eaters had that gene.

Let's say that we know that some person lacks a melanocortin receptor
gene. According to the article, ``said future drugs acting like
the melanocortin 4 receptor protein may compensate for the genetic
defect''

That would be pretty good if some people's problems could be addresses
through some supplementation.

My personal opinion, which is an opinion and not fact, is that genes
and metabolism play a bigger role than we assume, and psychology plays
a lesser role than we assume.

Science is fun!

i
janice - 03 Aug 2004 16:41 GMT
>>> Binge-eating not solely caused by poor willpower, a weak gene helped:
>>> study
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>and metabolism play a bigger role than we assume, and psychology plays
>a lesser role than we assume.

My instinct is the opposite to this.   I find this theory hard to
relate to, but maybe science will prove me wrong.

I didn't see any specific reference to bulimics in the article you
posted, although you mention them above.

The article refers to a pill to tame the appetite.  My experience of
bingeing is that it has very little to do with hunger or appetite and
a lot to do with what goes on in the mind.

janice
233/181/133
Ignoramus7404 - 03 Aug 2004 16:55 GMT
>>>> Binge-eating not solely caused by poor willpower, a weak gene helped:
>>>> study
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> My instinct is the opposite to this.   I find this theory hard to
> relate to, but maybe science will prove me wrong.

Note that only a quarter of those binge eaters had that gene. So,
there is a 75% chance that you do not have that specific gene.

> The article refers to a pill to tame the appetite.  My experience of
> bingeing is that it has very little to do with hunger or appetite and
> a lot to do with what goes on in the mind.

Think about libido. We see some members of the opposite sex and are
attracted to them. We see a beautiful smile, etc, feel attraction and
so on. It is all in our mind, right? On the other hand, sexual
attraction is genetically programmed.

Maybe the relationship between what we think about, and how we are
programmed genetically, plays a role in eating.

For example, weight of adopted children correlates well with the
weight of their biological parents, but very little with the weight of
their adoptive parents.

Or, maybe, some people's eating patterns are psychological or
determined by how they learned to eat, and for some people they are
genetic.

Anyhow, I find it fascinating to see genes that are reponsible for
behaviors.

i
Lictor - 03 Aug 2004 20:18 GMT
> The article refers to a pill to tame the appetite.  My experience of
> bingeing is that it has very little to do with hunger or appetite and
> a lot to do with what goes on in the mind.

Same here... I have found out that actually listening to my appetite and
hunger (which is easier said than done) makes serious bingeing virtually
impossible. Now, bingeing means eating that extra yogourt without being
hungry - more than that and I feel so unwell I don't feel like eating more.
Bingeing is only possible when your unconscious mind managers to completely
obliterate the proper signalling your brain gets from your body; and it's
actually trully impressive how powerful and efficient the unconscious mind
is at performing that trick. That's also a purely psychological trick. I
needed no meds to do it, and I needed no meds to re-learn how to detect when
I have had my fill...
I would not take any pill to tame my appetite... Appetite is my friend, it
tells me when to eat and when to stop :)
janice - 03 Aug 2004 20:36 GMT
>> The article refers to a pill to tame the appetite.  My experience of
>> bingeing is that it has very little to do with hunger or appetite and
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>I would not take any pill to tame my appetite... Appetite is my friend, it
>tells me when to eat and when to stop :)

Yes, Lictor, I read your earlier post when you said this and found it
interesting.  I'm very aware that I don't listen to my appetite,
although having said that my digestive system is a bit screwed up from
years of bingeing and I don't often feel "genuine" hunger.

I know that the one time I took appetite suppressants, many years ago,
I still overate regardless, for reasons that presumably had nothing to
do with hunger.  I would never take them again, they teach you
nothing.

I'm glad you seem to have found the right way, although you make it
sound rather easy but I'm sure it hasn't been.

janice
233/181/133
Lictor - 03 Aug 2004 21:43 GMT
> I'm glad you seem to have found the right way, although you make it
> sound rather easy but I'm sure it hasn't been.

It depends on where you start... If you start right at the time when I
decided to lose weight, it was rather easy actually. If you include the
panic attacks and dealing with them in the years before, the depression
periods, quitting my two packs of cigarette a day and stuff like that, it
wasn't so easy... The great discovery was to find that all these were linked
together. And that by addressing the depression, I was also dealing with
over-eating. Or that quitting the cigarette actually taught me about my
eating habits. I think I started with trying to lose weight when I was ready
to do so, a lot had been done silently beforehand.
Another factor is that I haven't done many diets before. So, I only had my
own faults to deal with, I didn't have to deal with those of several
nutritionnists and fad diets... That also helped a bunch...
Barbara Hirsch - 04 Aug 2004 20:48 GMT
>Binge-eating not solely caused by poor willpower, a weak gene helped:
>study

I wrote this study up about a year or so ago when it came out. The
melanocortin-4 receptor IMC4R) mutation is the most common genetic
cause of obesity. The reason for this is that it's dominantly
inherited, i.e., you only need one allele of the gene to have the
mutation expressed. There are many variations of the mutation, and
some result in more obesity than others.

In the study researchers found that the subjects with the mutation had
a higher prevalence of binge eating disorder (BED) than those without
the mutation. However, since the researchers were looking for a reason
for the obesity, they did not report data on any subjects with
bulimia. Therefore, it can't be concluded from the article that
bingeing and purging are related to MC4R.

However, just because many people with BED are free of the MC4R
mutation does not mean they don't have another unknown genetic reason
for the behavior. All causes of obesity have an environmental and a
genetic component. In some cases, the genetic component is so
overwhelming that it is all but impossible to control the obesity
(i.e., leptin mutations, leptin receptor mutations) and in others, it
is fairly easy to contain with extra effort.

FWIW,

Barbara Hirsch, Publisher
OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS
The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development
http://www.obesity-news.com/
Ignoramus11472 - 04 Aug 2004 21:13 GMT
>>Binge-eating not solely caused by poor willpower, a weak gene helped:
>>study
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> mutation expressed. There are many variations of the mutation, and
> some result in more obesity than others.

Interesting.

That implies that a person with IMC4R mutation must have one parent
with same mutation that manifests itself in the parent's phenotype,
right?

> In the study researchers found that the subjects with the mutation
> had a higher prevalence of binge eating disorder (BED) than those
> without the mutation. However, since the researchers were looking
> for a reason for the obesity, they did not report data on any
> subjects with bulimia. Therefore, it can't be concluded from the
> article that bingeing and purging are related to MC4R.

Didn't the study imply that 1/4 of the cases of bingeing involve IMC4R
mutation? (all people with the mutation were binging, IIRC)

> However, just because many people with BED are free of the MC4R
> mutation does not mean they don't have another unknown genetic reason
> for the behavior.

Agreed.

> All causes of obesity have an environmental and a genetic
> component. In some cases, the genetic component is so overwhelming
> that it is all but impossible to control the obesity (i.e., leptin
> mutations, leptin receptor mutations) and in others, it is fairly
> easy to contain with extra effort.

Thanks for an interesting summary.

i
Barbara Hirsch - 05 Aug 2004 02:33 GMT
>That implies that a person with IMC4R mutation must have one parent
>with same mutation that manifests itself in the parent's phenotype,
>right?

Yes.

>Didn't the study imply that 1/4 of the cases of bingeing involve MC4R
>mutation? (all people with the mutation were binging, IIRC)

No, not all people with the mutation had binge eating disorder. The
percentage was higher.

Barbara Hirsch, Publisher
OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS
The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development
http://www.obesity-news.com/
Ignoramus11472 - 05 Aug 2004 02:59 GMT
>>That implies that a person with IMC4R mutation must have one parent
>>with same mutation that manifests itself in the parent's phenotype,
>>right?
>
> Yes.

Makes sense.

>>Didn't the study imply that 1/4 of the cases of bingeing involve MC4R
>>mutation? (all people with the mutation were binging, IIRC)
>
> No, not all people with the mutation had binge eating disorder. The
> percentage was higher.

I was reading article 12646666, which said:

``All mutation carriers reported binge eating, as compared with 14.2
percent of obese subjects without mutations (P<0.001) and 0 percent of
the normal-weight subjects without mutations.''

After I looked the second time, I found a study that stated the
opposite, that carriers of this mutation were in all ways like people
with the wild type gene. (15037865).

Go figure!

i
who is wondering about the genes he carries
Barbara Hirsch - 07 Aug 2004 13:58 GMT
>>>That implies that a person with IMC4R mutation must have one parent
>>>with same mutation that manifests itself in the parent's phenotype,
>>>right?
>>
>> Yes.

For clarification. If the parent has 1 gene for the MCR4 mutation
there is a 50/50 chance the child will inherit it (assuming the other
parent is not affected). If the parent has both genes, the chance is
100 percent.

Barbara Hirsch, Publisher
OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS
The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development
http://www.obesity-news.com/
Ignoramus28438 - 07 Aug 2004 15:35 GMT
>>>>That implies that a person with IMC4R mutation must have one parent
>>>>with same mutation that manifests itself in the parent's phenotype,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> parent is not affected). If the parent has both genes, the chance is
> 100 percent.

Yes. But if the child has it, then one parent must have it with a 100%
probability.

i
DZ - 07 Aug 2004 21:56 GMT
> I wrote this study up about a year or so ago when it came out. The
> melanocortin-4 receptor IMC4R) mutation is the most common genetic
> cause of obesity. The reason for this is that it's dominantly
> inherited, i.e., you only need one allele of the gene to have the
> mutation expressed. There are many variations of the mutation, and
> some result in more obesity than others.

1) It's different mutations within one gene rather than many
variations of the mutation.

2) Some of these mutations are dominant, others are not:
http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/106/2/271

3) There are even combinations that predispose carriers to obesity in
the heterozygote state -- one would need two different mutations for
the obesity risk to increase:
http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/106/2/185

DZ

> In the study researchers found that the subjects with the mutation had
> a higher prevalence of binge eating disorder (BED) than those without
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development
> http://www.obesity-news.com/
Barbara Hirsch - 08 Aug 2004 15:39 GMT
>> mutation expressed. There are many variations of the mutation, and
>> some result in more obesity than others.
>
>1) It's different mutations within one gene rather than many
>variations of the mutation.

Symantics. I didn't say polymorophism, I said variations of the
mutation.

>2) Some of these mutations are dominant, others are not:
>http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/106/2/271

So?

>3) There are even combinations that predispose carriers to obesity in
>the heterozygote state -- one would need two different mutations for
>the obesity risk to increase:
>http://www.jci.org/cgi/content/full/106/2/185

Depends on the mutation. Some are more sever than others.

Barbara Hirsch, Publisher
OBESITY MEDS AND RESEARCH NEWS
The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development
http://www.obesity-news.com/
DZ - 08 Aug 2004 17:03 GMT
>>> mutation expressed. There are many variations of the mutation, and
>>> some result in more obesity than others.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> So?

This discussion so far revolved under the assumption that the
mechanism (considering polymorphisms at melanocortin 4 receptor) is
via dominant inheritance. However, some mutations in this gene show
recessive mechanism and there are even situations where two different
mutations are required. It would then be misleading to say that there
is 50% chance for the offspring to have increased obesity
predisposition given that one parent carries one copy of the mutation,
because one would also have to consider the mutation type.

DZ

>>3) There are even combinations that predispose carriers to obesity in
>>the heterozygote state -- one would need two different mutations for
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> The latest in obesity research and weight loss drug development
> http://www.obesity-news.com/
 
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