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Aquarijen - 05 Aug 2004 23:01 GMT
Hi All,
I've been doing really well on my low-crap diet and I wanted to get some
ideas for tomorrow.  My workplace is having an ice cream social - right on
the table next to my cubical.  I was thinking that I could participate too
with a little preparation.  I thought I could bring my own ice milk and have
it in a cake-cup bowl (like the regular ice cream cones but like a bowl - 30
calories).  I also have calorie free hazelnut syrup.  I could serve the ice
milk on a banana..?
Anybody have any ideas for putting some kind of crunch on top?
I think I can budget in the ice milk, but usually if I don't have protein in
my snack along with any carbs, I'm hungry real soon.  Maybe almonds on top
or something?
Thanks!
Jen
SnugBear - 06 Aug 2004 02:17 GMT
> Hi All,
> I've been doing really well on my low-crap diet and I wanted to get
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> protein in my snack along with any carbs, I'm hungry real soon.  Maybe
> almonds on top or something?

You answered your own question.  Nuts will be ideal on your treat.  I'm
loving the sugar free hazelnut syrup. Now call me loonie - you won't be
first - but I'd have half a cut up banana, a plum or maybe a peach, FF
cottage cheese, the syrup and nuts at the social.  I had this for lunch
today with cinnamon and flaxmeal and I *swear* it tastes like a banana
split.

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Alex - 06 Aug 2004 19:20 GMT
>You answered your own question.  Nuts will be ideal on your treat.  I'm
>loving the sugar free hazelnut syrup. Now call me loonie - you won't be
>first - but I'd have half a cut up banana, a plum or maybe a peach, FF
>cottage cheese, the syrup and nuts at the social.  I had this for lunch
>today with cinnamon and flaxmeal and I *swear* it tastes like a banana
>split.

YUM!! Now that sounds like something I'm gonna have this weekend! :-)

Ally
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SnugBear - 07 Aug 2004 01:37 GMT
>>You answered your own question.  Nuts will be ideal on your treat.  I'm
>>loving the sugar free hazelnut syrup. Now call me loonie - you won't be
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> YUM!! Now that sounds like something I'm gonna have this weekend! :-)

Let me know how you like it!?  (I had it for breakfast this morning)

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Alex - 12 Aug 2004 17:05 GMT
>>>You answered your own question.  Nuts will be ideal on your treat.  I'm
>>>loving the sugar free hazelnut syrup. Now call me loonie - you won't be
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Let me know how you like it!?  (I had it for breakfast this morning)

It took me a while to find the sugar fee hazlenut syrup, and I did the
fresh CO peaches that are in season right now -- YUM!!!!! My new
favorite! Thanks Laurie!

Ally
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SnugBear - 13 Aug 2004 02:43 GMT
> It took me a while to find the sugar fee hazlenut syrup, and I did the
> fresh CO peaches that are in season right now -- YUM!!!!! My new
> favorite! Thanks Laurie!

I'm so glad you liked it!  I had it today with a plum and banana. I got my
SF syrup at TJ Max.

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Ignoramus17820 - 06 Aug 2004 02:33 GMT
> Hi All,
> I've been doing really well on my low-crap diet and I wanted to get some
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> my snack along with any carbs, I'm hungry real soon.  Maybe almonds on top
> or something?

Many things are possible. One is that a bit of ice cream does not ruin
a weight loss plan. Another is that there is no reason to eat ice
cream just because it is on the table.

This is what I find to be the easiest solution. Come to the
social. Talk a lot. Pretend to eat ice cream, or, if asked, say that
I already ate ice cream. Don't eat ice cream.

You could say straight out that you are on a diet, reasonable people
should understand.

I would not bring my own unusual version o ice cream, too many stupid
questions would be asked, etc. Fruits or nuts, would be quite
appropriate IMHO.

It's a normal problem, you could as well learn how to tackle it.

I have not eaten ice cream or sugar in 1.2 years, and was not yet in
any embarrassing situation.

i
Lictor - 06 Aug 2004 07:57 GMT
> Many things are possible. One is that a bit of ice cream does not ruin
> a weight loss plan. Another is that there is no reason to eat ice
> cream just because it is on the table.

Yup. One strategy is to do like the people who do not like to drink much.
Many spend the whole evening with the very same glass, sip from it a couple
of time and leave the glass half full at the end.
Eating is also a social habit, and refusing to partake in what the others
are eating can often trigger angers, because it's a refusal of the social
link (your food is not good enough for me, I will not share your food...).
But social eating is all about symbol. You're expected to taste the food a
little, and talk about it more. Noone expect you to actually eat 1000
calories of it ;)
Since this kind of situation happens from time to time, it's better to find
a working strategy early on. Bringing your own food is often not an option
(restaurants, business dinners, weddings...) and can often lead to tricky
social situations (the wife spent the whole day cooking her very best
recipe, but you brought your own food). Unless you have a real allergy or
something, it's sometimes better to just eat a little of the food and
comment about it and how great it is a lot...
Ignoramus22665 - 06 Aug 2004 14:00 GMT
>> Many things are possible. One is that a bit of ice cream does not ruin
>> a weight loss plan. Another is that there is no reason to eat ice
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Many spend the whole evening with the very same glass, sip from it a couple
> of time and leave the glass half full at the end.

Exactly. That's what I do with alcohol these days. I have nothing
against alcohol, morally, but I cannot handle it anymore, it makes me
completely sick. It tastes disgusting to me and I start feeling bad
immediately afterwards. (I would rather be able to drink, I was able
to drink 2/3 of a bottle of vodka). So, I start with a shot of vodka,
and pretend to drink it on social occasions.

> Eating is also a social habit, and refusing to partake in what the others
> are eating can often trigger angers, because it's a refusal of the social
> link (your food is not good enough for me, I will not share your
> food...).

It could also make fat people very upset about their own food practices.

> But social eating is all about symbol. You're expected to taste the food a
> little, and talk about it more. Noone expect you to actually eat 1000
> calories of it ;)

Exactly. Taking a tiny bite of ice cream, saying that it is delicious,
completely satisfies most people. Same goes for my MIL's baking
products. (they are delicious, but do not belong to  my woe)

i
SnugBear - 07 Aug 2004 01:42 GMT
> Exactly. That's what I do with alcohol these days. I have nothing
> against alcohol, morally, but I cannot handle it anymore, it makes me
> completely sick. It tastes disgusting to me and I start feeling bad
> immediately afterwards. (I would rather be able to drink, I was able
> to drink 2/3 of a bottle of vodka). So, I start with a shot of vodka,
> and pretend to drink it on social occasions.

I have nothing against alcohol other than I just won't drink my calories.
<exception: for special occasions, I enjoy a little wine with a meal>

I spent a weekend in June at my class reunion activities and drank diet
Pepsi the whole time.  I don't care what anybody thought of that.

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Annabel Smyth - 07 Aug 2004 10:36 GMT
>I have nothing against alcohol other than I just won't drink my calories.
><exception: for special occasions, I enjoy a little wine with a meal>

I try not to drink my calories, but I do make an exception for alcohol!
And fruit juice.

>I spent a weekend in June at my class reunion activities and drank diet
>Pepsi the whole time.  I don't care what anybody thought of that.

Isn't diet Pepsi (and diet Coke) supposed to be bad for you?  All that
aspartame.... YUCK.  But then, I loathe diet cola - if I am going to
drink it (which I suppose I do about once every 5 years), I drink the
full-sugar version (here in the UK it *is* sugar, too, not corn syrup).

If I'm going to not drink alcohol, then I tend to drink fizzy water,
ideally with a slice of lemon.
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SnugBear - 09 Aug 2004 02:48 GMT
> Isn't diet Pepsi (and diet Coke) supposed to be bad for you?  All that
> aspartame.... YUCK.  But then, I loathe diet cola - if I am going to
> drink it (which I suppose I do about once every 5 years), I drink the
> full-sugar version (here in the UK it *is* sugar, too, not corn syrup).

I never drank cola at all until they invented Diet Pepsi.  Most of the
*bad for you* stories are urban legends.  Aspartame doesn't disagree with
me.  Once I got a non-diet one by mistake - hated it.  Besides, I doubt I
get one soda per month - only when I get a yen for it.

I'd much rather eat fruit than drink juice - it takes me 45 minutes to
eat a grapefruit.  Probably a minute at most to drink 4 ounces of juice.

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Annabel Smyth - 09 Aug 2004 12:25 GMT
>> Isn't diet Pepsi (and diet Coke) supposed to be bad for you?  All that
>> aspartame.... YUCK.  But then, I loathe diet cola - if I am going to
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>I never drank cola at all until they invented Diet Pepsi.  Most of the
>*bad for you* stories are urban legends.

I don't think so.  I mean, obviously the occasional one, once a month or
so, isn't going to hurt you, but there are folk who drink several a day,
and this can't be good for them, as it's so very acid.  And there is, I
believe, medical evidence to prove that excess consumption can encourage
osteoporosis, due to the phosphoric acid that is such a large component
of these colas.  Both diet and full-fat.  Aspartame is a whole other
issue - studies do seem to have been inconclusive as to whether or not
it is actively harmful.  I do know that I really dislike the taste, and
prefer not to put it in my body!

>I'd much rather eat fruit than drink juice - it takes me 45 minutes to
>eat a grapefruit.  Probably a minute at most to drink 4 ounces of juice.

But if I'm thirsty, I'd rather have the juice - diluted, perhaps, but
still.
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Chris Braun - 14 Aug 2004 03:48 GMT
>>> Isn't diet Pepsi (and diet Coke) supposed to be bad for you?  All that
>>> aspartame.... YUCK.  But then, I loathe diet cola - if I am going to
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>it is actively harmful.  I do know that I really dislike the taste, and
>prefer not to put it in my body!

I'm still looking for a good reason to give up my Diet Pepsi addiction
:-).  The fact that it's acid, in and of itself, doesn't seem like a
reason.  It doesn't give me indigestion or anything.  And, while I've
heard it can encourage osteoporosis, my recent bone scan showed that I
have off-the-charts bone density.  And I've never worried about
aspartame (mostly just because if I worried about everything I heard
bad things about I'd never be able to eat anything).  And drinking it
hasn't interfered with my weight loss or maintenance.

Apart from all this stuff, though, I think I consume more caffeine
than is good for me.  So I do sort of want to cut back on the Diet
Pepsi, but I keep putting it off 'til another time.  Anyone want to
provide some motivation for me? :-)

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SnugBear - 16 Aug 2004 03:32 GMT
> Apart from all this stuff, though, I think I consume more caffeine
> than is good for me.  So I do sort of want to cut back on the Diet
> Pepsi, but I keep putting it off 'til another time.  Anyone want to
> provide some motivation for me? :-)

I sure won't help you  :P  

A week or so ago I heard caffeine is good for warding off Alzheimer's.  
Several of the women in my family had/have mental conditions and I'll
take any help I can get. When I've asked friends if I seem loony, they
say "only in a *good* way" and I'd be showing some signs by now. I've
started doing online crossword puzzles to help stay sharp.

Hmmmm - four letter word for COFFEE  <g>

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Annabel Smyth - 16 Aug 2004 18:00 GMT
SnugBear wrote in alt.support.diet on Mon, 16 Aug 2004:

>A week or so ago I heard caffeine is good for warding off Alzheimer's.
>Several of the women in my family had/have mental conditions and I'll
>take any help I can get. When I've asked friends if I seem loony, they
>say "only in a *good* way" and I'd be showing some signs by now. I've
>started doing online crossword puzzles to help stay sharp.

You sound like my father, who has done the Daily Telegraph crossword
puzzle (the cryptic one, not the easy one!) almost every day for at
least the last 60 years.  Now he is terrified of going senile, as all
his uncles did when they were 80 (he was 80 last birthday) and does
puzzles of every kind almost obsessively, plus plays chess with himself
(on a chess computer) the rest of the time - drives my mother spare!
And I notice the parents are playing bridge far more than they used.

Daughter's fiance doesn't help by being a ranked chess player, who will
very kindly give my father a game whenever they meet.  Daddy has
actually beaten him once.....
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Beverly - 17 Aug 2004 01:39 GMT
> > Apart from all this stuff, though, I think I consume more caffeine
> > than is good for me.  So I do sort of want to cut back on the Diet
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Hmmmm - four letter word for COFFEE  <g>

Java - but then you knew that!  I like to play Free Cell online as I've
never cared too much for crossword puzzles.  I think I read the same
article.  I started drinking regular coffee at work instead of the
decaffinated.

Beverly
Rob - 06 Aug 2004 18:13 GMT
> Hi All,
> I've been doing really well on my low-crap diet and I wanted to get some
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Thanks!
> Jen

You got good advice from others.

I'd do what many of them suggested.  Take a little (hopefully it's self
serve), nibble at it slowly and toss away what you don't feel like
eating.  It's a sacrifice by you that will avoid conflict from others.
Aquarijen - 09 Aug 2004 18:04 GMT
> > Hi All,
> > I've been doing really well on my low-crap diet and I wanted to get some
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> serve), nibble at it slowly and toss away what you don't feel like
> eating.  It's a sacrifice by you that will avoid conflict from others.

I brought my own ice milk, but didn't have to use it because they had
low-cal ice milk there. I put a few toppings on it (I could measure them -
it was a help yourself line with teaspoons to dole out toppings).  I
budgeted it into my calories and was really surprised when, after the first
bowl, I was happy with what I had eaten and grabbed a coffee to offset the
sluggishness from sugar - I did not grab another bowl. :)  I did not feel
like I had suffered either.  I am glad I had some toppings because I think
I'd have been fixated on not having had it and it would have been worse
later.  And I looked normal. :D
I had my regular-sized dinner and came in under calories as planned -- no
disasters.
Thanks for the help!
-Jennifer
Beverly - 09 Aug 2004 18:31 GMT
> > > Hi All,
> > > I've been doing really well on my low-crap diet and I wanted to get some
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> Thanks for the help!
> -Jennifer

WTG Jennifer.  Often it just takes a little bit of planning to stick with
our WOE.  Glad this event turned out okay for you.
Rob - 10 Aug 2004 15:13 GMT
>>>Hi All,
>>>I've been doing really well on my low-crap diet and I wanted to get some
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
> Thanks for the help!
> -Jennifer

Way to go!  This is hopefully your first victory of many.

"And I looked normal."  I feel and you may also find along the way that
this is a challenge that is, do I dare say, “gratifying”?  To walk into
a room, statistically full of overweight people, eat the same foods
they’re eating and walk out fit.  Along the same lines, I like to find
recipes that are obviously too calorie dense for my WOE and modify them
with my own ingredients (wheat flours, olive oil, ground turkey, soy
milk, egg whites, etc.).  The true test of these is to serve them to
“normal” people and see if they complain about the difference.

Enjoy!
Annabel Smyth - 10 Aug 2004 16:55 GMT
>"And I looked normal."  I feel and you may also find along the way that
>this is a challenge that is, do I dare say, “gratifying”?  To walk into a
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>whites, etc.).  The true test of these is to serve them to “normal” people
>and see if they complain about the difference.

We used to do that - I know one Christmas we bought a package of
cranberries in the supermarket, and on the back was a recipe for a
cranberry cake.  So the daughter decided to make it - and, quite without
thinking about it, omitted the fat.  She was a bit worried about it when
she realised what she had done, but the cake turned out delicious.  I
need to start doing it again....
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