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MELVIN ALLEN - 06 Aug 2004 09:09 GMT
Hi to all those helpers in the wide world of diet.

Getting started is the hardest part of losing weight.
Mentally ready, physically prepared, blood pressure and low sugar imbalance
in place.

How do I start on the road to losing four stone.

I have a cereal breakfast with fruit and yougat. a salad evening meal or
other slimming type of food.
As a working physical full blooded male I need to change my sandwich lunches
which I buy from local shops to buying something (other than fruit) to
support my body during the day.

sensible and constructive suggestions please.

A Desperate man needing your advice
Ignoramus22665 - 06 Aug 2004 11:30 GMT
> Hi to all those helpers in the wide world of diet.

Welcome.

> Getting started is the hardest part of losing weight.

Keeping on track is also pretty difficult.

> Mentally ready, physically prepared, blood pressure and low sugar imbalance
> in place.

What is that low sugar imbalance?

> How do I start on the road to losing four stone.

Personally, I would at least ask your doctor regarding your health
issues and see if he has something interesting to say.

> I have a cereal breakfast with fruit and yougat. a salad evening meal or
> other slimming type of food.
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>
> sensible and constructive suggestions please.

You don't have to be desperate. Find a diet that does not make you too
hungry (cereal may not necessarily well address your "sugar imbalance"
well), make sure to eat less, and exercise, and do it every day.

Good luck!

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Avatar - 06 Aug 2004 11:59 GMT
>Hi to all those helpers in the wide world of diet.
>
>Getting started is the hardest part of losing weight.

So hard that many never take that step. You done that and you are to
be commended. The rest can be easy if you let it be. This is not a
sprint but a marathon. Think longterm lifestyle changes.

>Mentally ready, physically prepared, blood pressure and low sugar imbalance
>in place.
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>which I buy from local shops to buying something (other than fruit) to
>support my body during the day.

Why change from sandwiches? Use lower calorie versions, turkey with
low-fat mayo or mustard for instance.  Pile on lots of veggies.  If
you are into the whole Atkins thing, get a Subway wrap. Many other
fast food places offer the wraps as well. Another alternative are
salads. A lot of people don't like them, but McDonalds has some pretty
good salads. Watch out for their dressing though. If possible use your
own low-fat or low-carb dressing. A packet of McD's dressing has
almost as many calories as the salad itself.  I like the Fiesta Salad.
Mixed greens, seasoned ground beef, cheese, tortilla strips, salsa.
Comes in at ~ 350 calories if you skip the sour cream. There is enough
protein and fat to keep you satisfied, enough greens to fill you up. A
lot of times I'm still full enough come evening time I skip
dinner/supper, whatever one calls it in your part of the world. Yeah,
I know I need to eat, but I'm just not hungry. Anyway, I like them but
others cannot stand them. Just a suggestion. You said you are eating
salads or the like evenings; having one for lunch instead might give
you a welcome change.

>sensible and constructive suggestions please.
>
>A Desperate man needing your advice
Lictor - 06 Aug 2004 14:44 GMT
> If you are into the whole Atkins thing, get a Subway wrap. Many other
> fast food places offer the wraps as well.

Or just buy a regular sandwich and throw away the bread, it might be cheaper
or taste better... I'm not on Atkins, but I'm getting very picky on the
quality and taste of my bread lately. On the occasions when I have had a
sandwich, I mostly ate all the feeling, took a couple of bites at the bread,
and if not good enough (alas often the case, we have amazing bread, but
somehow they didn't figure out they could actually use it when making
sandwiches) I throw away the rest.
Also remember that being server a King Size sandwich doesn't mean you have
to eat it all. If you feel you had enough, throw away the leftover, save it
for later or give it away to some homeless...
Annabel Smyth - 06 Aug 2004 18:29 GMT
>> If you are into the whole Atkins thing, get a Subway wrap. Many other
>> fast food places offer the wraps as well.
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>somehow they didn't figure out they could actually use it when making
>sandwiches) I throw away the rest.

Huh, in this country (and the poster, I think, is a fellow-countryman),
they don't put enough fillings in the sandwiches to enable you to do
that! You get maybe 1/2 slice ham, 1/4 lettuce leaf, 1 slice tomato, and
a dollop of mayonnaise.  I remember being terribly impressed with the
amount of filling provided in American sandwiches - I agree, you barely
need the bread!

>Also remember that being server a King Size sandwich doesn't mean you have
>to eat it all. If you feel you had enough, throw away the leftover, save it
>for later or give it away to some homeless...

Wish we *did* get king-sized sandwiches.  Even the so-called "Deep Fill"
variety have just enough filling to be visible between the slices of
bread..... and, of course, by the time you get to the crust at the back
of the carton, there's no filling, as it's all at the front where the
consumer can see it.
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Lictor - 06 Aug 2004 19:26 GMT
> Huh, in this country (and the poster, I think, is a fellow-countryman),
> they don't put enough fillings in the sandwiches to enable you to do
> that! You get maybe 1/2 slice ham, 1/4 lettuce leaf, 1 slice tomato, and
> a dollop of mayonnaise.  I remember being terribly impressed with the
> amount of filling provided in American sandwiches - I agree, you barely
> need the bread!

Actually, I'm in France ;) But I have mostly given up on our regular
sandwiches, and I mostly buy kebabs now. Most kebab houses will give you
enough to eat outside of the bread, at least if they want to have their
clients come back. Besides, the good kebab houses bake pita bread
themselves, so it's actually good... As in the UK, regular French sandwiches
tend to be rather "empty" and have awful bread.
American sandwiches do seem to have a right amount of filling too, if they
don't overflow it with mayonnaise or something. I even guess buritos could
be an option too if you ask them not to put that much cheese in them - I
mean, meat, beans and some rice is not that unhealthy (unless you're low
carb).
*Italian* pizza (the one that is not 2" thick) could be an option too
(again, not low carb), especially without cheese.

Besides, don't people in the UK eat at restaurants or pubs at lunch? I mean,
sandwiches every time? Sounds boring... Over here, it's not that hard to
find a ?5 deal at some Chinese self or even a regular restaurant for around
?7, with employer paying half of it, it's not that expensive...
Annabel Smyth - 06 Aug 2004 20:27 GMT
>Actually, I'm in France ;) But I have mostly given up on our regular
>sandwiches, and I mostly buy kebabs now. Most kebab houses will give you
>enough to eat outside of the bread, at least if they want to have their
>clients come back. Besides, the good kebab houses bake pita bread
>themselves, so it's actually good... As in the UK, regular French sandwiches
>tend to be rather "empty" and have awful bread.

Although they do seem to have improved in recent years.  But when I
lived in France (as a teenager/young adult) I lost a tremendous amount
of weight simply because, like the French, I didn't snack.  Even eating
a croque-monsieur and beer for lunch every day!  Mind you, back then,
croque-monsieurs were made fresh to order, not bought in advanced and
microwaved the way they are now, and were much nicer.

>*Italian* pizza (the one that is not 2" thick) could be an option too
>(again, not low carb), especially without cheese.

Can you actually get them without cheese, though?  I do agree, they are
excellent, and far less fattening than the American ones.

>Besides, don't people in the UK eat at restaurants or pubs at lunch? I mean,
>sandwiches every time? Sounds boring... Over here, it's not that hard to
>find a ?5 deal at some Chinese self or even a regular restaurant for around
>?7, with employer paying half of it, it's not that expensive...

Don't forget, you don't get lunch-breaks in the UK any more; you eat at
your desks or not at all - unlike you lot that get 2 hours or so to go
to a restaurant.....
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OceanView - 07 Aug 2004 18:04 GMT
>>Actually, I'm in France ;) But I have mostly given up on
>>our regular sandwiches, and I mostly buy kebabs now. Most
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> advanced and microwaved the way they are now, and were much
> nicer.

croque-monsieur? Is this like a rollup?

>>*Italian* pizza (the one that is not 2" thick) could be an
>>option too (again, not low carb), especially without
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>>Chinese self or even a regular restaurant for around ?7,
>>with employer paying half of it, it's not that expensive...

> Don't forget, you don't get lunch-breaks in the UK any
> more; you eat at your desks or not at all - unlike you lot
> that get 2 hours or so to go to a restaurant.....

Are you referring to the French here?  You can't mean the US.

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Annabel Smyth - 08 Aug 2004 09:57 GMT
>>>Actually, I'm in France ;) But I have mostly given up on

(Which is why my post was referring to the French!)

>croque-monsieur? Is this like a rollup?

No, it's a grilled ham and cheese sandwich, and very good, too.  Or used
to be - these days, the cafes buy them in frozen and microwave to order,
rather than making them fresh, and they are so not the same!  You have
to make your own at home.

>> Don't forget, you don't get lunch-breaks in the UK any
>> more; you eat at your desks or not at all - unlike you lot
>> that get 2 hours or so to go to a restaurant.....
>
>Are you referring to the French here?  You can't mean the US.

Obviously not.
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SnugBear - 07 Aug 2004 01:21 GMT
> I'm not on Atkins, but I'm getting very picky on the
> quality and taste of my bread lately.

We bake all our own bread and I've become so picky about getting bread out.
Living in Germany for 6 years made me appreciate good, fresh, crusty bread.

I don't eat much bread at all - it *better* be yummy!

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OceanView - 07 Aug 2004 18:07 GMT
>> I'm not on Atkins, but I'm getting very picky on the
>> quality and taste of my bread lately.
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>
> I don't eat much bread at all - it *better* be yummy!

Places like Panera Bread are bringing back good bread.  They
went through a rough patch recently, but now that the Atkins fad
is crashing and burning, they're going strong again.

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OceanView - 07 Aug 2004 18:00 GMT
>> If you are into the whole Atkins thing, get a Subway wrap.
>> Many other fast food places offer the wraps as well.
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> you had enough, throw away the leftover, save it for later
> or give it away to some homeless...

What is it with sandwich vendors that they always use high
glucose, bland white bread?

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Annabel Smyth - 08 Aug 2004 09:58 GMT
>What is it with sandwich vendors that they always use high
>glucose, bland white bread?

Perhaps you go to the wrong vendors!  In this country, although you can,
of course, buy white-bread sandwiches, almost all the "healthy eating"
ones are on wholemeal bread, or other tasty varieties.
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janice - 08 Aug 2004 13:13 GMT
>>What is it with sandwich vendors that they always use high
>>glucose, bland white bread?
>>
>Perhaps you go to the wrong vendors!  In this country, although you can,
>of course, buy white-bread sandwiches, almost all the "healthy eating"
>ones are on wholemeal bread, or other tasty varieties.

I agree - in fact I think it's quite rare to see pre-packaged
sandwiches in white bread in the UK, probably because very few people
seem to like them.

Ever noticed how if you try to buy sliced bread in the supermarket
towards the end of the day, there's stacks of white left but all the
wholemeal has gone?

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OceanView - 10 Aug 2004 03:44 GMT
>>>What is it with sandwich vendors that they always use high
>>>glucose, bland white bread?
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> janice
> 233/179/133

Interesting.  Not the case in the US, at least not in my
stodgy New England neighborhood.  In more upscale places,
probably better bread.

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0607 - 12 Aug 2004 00:25 GMT
How is it that you lost so much and what did you do details please.
Annabel Smyth - 06 Aug 2004 18:27 GMT
> Another alternative are
>salads. A lot of people don't like them, but McDonalds has some pretty
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Mixed greens, seasoned ground beef, cheese, tortilla strips, salsa.
>Comes in at ~ 350 calories if you skip the sour cream.

Bear in mind that the original poster is from the UK, and we don't have
that sort of salad in McD's here - just a vile chicken job that has more
calories, and fewer nutrients, than a Big Mac!  (I'd rather have the Big
Mac, I think!)
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Avatar - 06 Aug 2004 18:32 GMT
>> Another alternative are
>>salads. A lot of people don't like them, but McDonalds has some pretty
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>calories, and fewer nutrients, than a Big Mac!  (I'd rather have the Big
>Mac, I think!)

Wasn't aware the salads weren't available over there. Sorry.
Amy - 10 Aug 2004 14:46 GMT
I'm in Illinois and we have all the new salads - haven't tried the
fiesta yet but heard it is very good.  Maybe they're rolling them out
regionally in the US.

> >Bear in mind that the original poster is from the UK, and we don't have
> >that sort of salad in McD's here - just a vile chicken job that has more
> >calories, and fewer nutrients, than a Big Mac!  (I'd rather have the Big
> >Mac, I think!)
>
> Wasn't aware the salads weren't available over there. Sorry.
Michelle Guy - 06 Aug 2004 12:15 GMT
A good start is to get the ok from your doctor. Then look for a
balanced meal plan that includes all the food groups. Your breakfast
sounds good, sandwiches don' t have to be unhealthy it is normally the
extras that are unhealthy such as chips, mayonaise extra cheese etc
etc. Go for a meat or cheese sandwich with salad, hold back on the
butter try mustard or ketchup. Pass on the chips and grab a fruit or
yogurt. The salad in the evening has to include all food groups to
stop you feeling hungry an hour later, try adding protein and a slice
of wholewheat bread.  Regular planned snacks will help even out hunger
attacks keeping meal sizes resonable. ( and often blood sugar issues).
If you are really hungry maybe even plan a late evening snack.  Good
luck cut back slowly and increase the amount you move, even small
changes make an effort.  Good luck and keep reporting in.
Michelle : Ozzie in Switzerland
69.8/61.4/61kg

>Hi to all those helpers in the wide world of diet.
>
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>
>A Desperate man needing your advice
Annabel Smyth - 06 Aug 2004 18:25 GMT
>Hi to all those helpers in the wide world of diet.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>How do I start on the road to losing four stone.

Exercise!   And remember that you didn't put on those stone in a day,
and they won't come off that way.  This is a long-term project that's
going to take you at least a year, so you must find things you enjoy
eating that aren't too bad for you, and some kind of exercise that you
enjoy and can fit in with your daily routine.  Even if it's something as
simple as walking to/from the Tube station rather than catching a bus.
Or walking half-way.... start small.  Think "baby steps".

>I have a cereal breakfast with fruit and yougat. a salad evening meal or
>other slimming type of food.

You honestly don't have to eat "nourishing" salad (my brother's term for
it, as a boy) to lose weight.  Although this weather, who wants anything
else?  If you prefer cooked vegetables, then cook them - you can cut
down on the amount of potatoes or pasta you eat, and fill up on cabbage
or broccoli, for instance.

>As a working physical full blooded male I need to change my sandwich lunches
>which I buy from local shops to buying something (other than fruit) to
>support my body during the day.

Can you make your own sandwiches to take?  That way, you can cut down or
out on the butter and mayonnaise that the shop sandwiches have in them,
and control what you put in them.  If you would rather not, check out on
Boots' and Tesco's "Healthy eating" sandwich ranges.  And lose the
crisps - they don't add anything except fat and salt!  Also, drink fizzy
water instead of Coke (you could always squeeze an orange into it if you
don't like it plain).  A piece of fruit instead of a choccy biccy, and
you're all set!

You can ring the changes, too, if you make your own lunch - a rice
salad, for instance, or a cold tortilla (the Spanish kind, not the
Mexican kind!) and salad.  Keep an eye on what goes into your salad
dressings - that can undo a multitude of good works.

>sensible and constructive suggestions please.

I hope those are. I, too, have a good 3 stone to lose.... sigh.....
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