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ALIEN_69@c.com - 11 Aug 2004 12:48 GMT
breakfast       
1 cup dry oats
1 cup non fat cottage cheese
6 oz strawberry fat free yogurt  all together in a bowl..

snack
apple
cheese

lunch
turkey breast patty
2 slices 9 grain bread
slice of fat free cheese
assorted veggie salad topped with grilled okra
home made sweet mustard vinegrette..
1 small home made oatmeal cookie.......**splenda**

snack
1 cup fat free plain yogurt
1 medium peach
few slices cantaloupe

dinner
2 slices 9 grain bread
grilled tuna
assorted grilled veggies
spinich soup with fat free sour cream

snack
apple
jerky

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Beverly - 11 Aug 2004 12:52 GMT
> breakfast
>  1 cup dry oats
>  1 cup non fat cottage cheese
>  6 oz strawberry fat free yogurt  all together in a bowl..

That's an interesing combination.  I often add something crunchy to my
yogurt but I've never added cottage cheese.  I guess I'm just one of those
"it has to be plain cottage cheese" people :)

Beverly

> snack
> apple
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JMA - 11 Aug 2004 13:20 GMT
> > breakfast
> >  1 cup dry oats
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>
> Beverly

Cottage cheese and yogurt taste really good together.  I add nuts to mine.

Jenn
Beverly - 11 Aug 2004 13:27 GMT
> > > breakfast
> > >  1 cup dry oats
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>
> Jenn

I need to try adding some ingredients to mine.  A friend from high school
always added ketchup to hers - this really grossed me out.  Come to think of
it, I think she added ketchup to most things<g>

I have tried fruit but that's about the limit of my cottage cheese
additions.

Beverly
jmk - 11 Aug 2004 13:48 GMT
>>>>breakfast
>>>> 1 cup dry oats
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>
> Beverly

I also have not been too adventurous with my cottage cheese.  I like to
cut a tomatoes into wedges and put cottage cheese over that.  It's great
with Fox Point Seasoning -- or if I'm out of that, freshly ground black
pepper.  I'll have to give the cottage cheese and yogurt combo a shot
though.  ;-)

Oh, I like cottage cheese with pineapple too but I haven't done that in
a while...

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Perple Gyrl - 11 Aug 2004 13:52 GMT
I like to put cottage cheese on some bread, sprinkle cinamon and toast.  It
gets all hot and gooey.  I also like to occas. add it to cooked oatmeal...
something I learned from Alien months ago.  It is also good mixed with greek
yogurt and some berries.

> >>>>breakfast
> >>>> 1 cup dry oats
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> --
> jmk in NC
ALIEN_69@c.com - 11 Aug 2004 17:54 GMT
> I like to put cottage cheese on some bread, sprinkle cinamon and
> toast.  It gets all hot and gooey.

I will try this for a snack later! Thanks
Beverly - 11 Aug 2004 14:22 GMT
> >>>>breakfast
> >>>> 1 cup dry oats
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> Oh, I like cottage cheese with pineapple too but I haven't done that in
> a while...

Someone who eats cottage cheese like me<G>  I always add pepper to it when
it's plain.  My favorite fruit to add is peaches.  My mother use to scoop
out a cantaloupe and add the cottage cheese to the center for lunch.  My
sister and I have ate cottage cheese since we were small children.  Most of
my granddaughters won't touch it but the two year old loves it.  I knew I
would get one of them to eat it!

Beverly
ALIEN_69@c.com - 11 Aug 2004 17:53 GMT
>   My mother use
> to scoop out a cantaloupe and add the cottage cheese to the center for
> lunch
> Beverly

MMMMMM. I too do this.
Beverly - 11 Aug 2004 18:31 GMT
> >   My mother use
> > to scoop out a cantaloupe and add the cottage cheese to the center for
> > lunch
> > Beverly
>
> MMMMMM. I too do this.

I did too until I discovered it tasted much better with a scoop of vanilla
ice cream<G
ALIEN_69@c.com - 11 Aug 2004 20:18 GMT
>> >   My mother use
>> > to scoop out a cantaloupe and add the cottage cheese to the center
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> I did too until I discovered it tasted much better with a scoop of
> vanilla ice cream<G>

Every now and again I will treat myself to a 1/2 cup serving of sugar
free vanilla ice cream. So I see no harm in this at all. :)

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Beverly - 11 Aug 2004 20:54 GMT
> >> >   My mother use
> >> > to scoop out a cantaloupe and add the cottage cheese to the center
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> Every now and again I will treat myself to a 1/2 cup serving of sugar
> free vanilla ice cream. So I see no harm in this at all. :)

I didn't see any harm in it either but my mother felt the 1-2 cups of ice
cream was a little too much :)   Gee....I wish that woman had been more
consistent.  First she wanted me to eat more and then she complained when I
did<G>
Beverly
ALIEN_69@c.com - 12 Aug 2004 03:49 GMT
>  First she wanted me to eat more and then she
> complained when I did<G>
> Beverly

lol

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Annabel Smyth - 12 Aug 2004 11:19 GMT
>I didn't see any harm in it either but my mother felt the 1-2 cups of ice
>cream was a little too much :)   Gee....I wish that woman had been more
>consistent.  First she wanted me to eat more and then she complained when I
>did<G>
>Beverly

That's mothers for you.....
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Annabel Smyth - 12 Aug 2004 11:19 GMT
>> >   My mother use
>> > to scoop out a cantaloupe and add the cottage cheese to the center for
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>I did too until I discovered it tasted much better with a scoop of vanilla
>ice cream<G>

How odd - thinking about it, I'd far prefer the cottage cheese!  I like
ice-cream, but not with melon.....
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Beverly - 12 Aug 2004 13:56 GMT
> >> >   My mother use
> >> > to scoop out a cantaloupe and add the cottage cheese to the center for
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> How odd - thinking about it, I'd far prefer the cottage cheese!  I like
> ice-cream, but not with melon.....

It's not odd - don't knock it unless you've tried it :)

Beverly
Annabel Smyth - 12 Aug 2004 17:32 GMT
You wrote at 08:56:11 on Thu, 12 Aug 2004:

>> >I did too until I discovered it tasted much better with a scoop of
>vanilla
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>
>It's not odd - don't knock it unless you've tried it :)

No, I meant how odd of me to prefer the cottage cheese!
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Annabel Smyth - 11 Aug 2004 17:21 GMT
>Oh, I like cottage cheese with pineapple too but I haven't done that in a
>while...

Now, there's a combination I don't really like!  I find pineapple too
acid to have any dairy products with, and I never do like it with
something savoury - don't like ham-and-pineapple, either.
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SnugBear - 12 Aug 2004 03:34 GMT
> Now, there's a combination I don't really like!  I find pineapple too
> acid to have any dairy products with, and I never do like it with
> something savoury - don't like ham-and-pineapple, either.

Then you  probably wouldn't like the pineapple and bacon pizza I made
yesterday.  ;-)

lol - more for me (also put on mozzarella, roasted red peppers and fresh
basil - yummm)

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Annabel Smyth - 12 Aug 2004 11:20 GMT
>> Now, there's a combination I don't really like!  I find pineapple too
>> acid to have any dairy products with, and I never do like it with
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>lol - more for me (also put on mozzarella, roasted red peppers and fresh
>basil - yummm)

Sounds lovely except for the pineapple!  I like pineapple as part of my
pudding course, not my main course!
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A Ross - 12 Aug 2004 17:01 GMT
> Now, there's a combination I don't really like!  I find
> pineapple too
> acid to have any dairy products with, and I never do
> like it with
> something savoury - don't like ham-and-pineapple,
> either.

I love pinapple chunks mixed with yogurt cheese and
flax meal. Yummmm.

Amy
SnugBear - 11 Aug 2004 15:59 GMT
> I need to try adding some ingredients to mine.  A friend from high
> school always added ketchup to hers - this really grossed me out.
> Come to think of it, I think she added ketchup to most things<g>
>
> I have tried fruit but that's about the limit of my cottage cheese
> additions.

I already posted my mom's prejudice about ketchup. <g>

I've progressed through adding fruit, to roasted winter squash and then
more savory veggies to my cottage cheese.  I like them all.  Nuts are
excellent in CC.

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Beverly - 11 Aug 2004 16:22 GMT
> > I need to try adding some ingredients to mine.  A friend from high
> > school always added ketchup to hers - this really grossed me out.
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>
> I already posted my mom's prejudice about ketchup. <g>

I remember reading that and laughing because there were two things I always
added ketchup to when I was young - cold meatloaf sandwiches and fried egg
sandwiches.  I have graduated to tomato and mayo on the fried egg sandwiches
but I still need that ketchup on the meatloaf sandwich.  It just wouldn't be
a meatloaf sandwich without it<g>

This post is making me hungry for a meatloaf sandwich.  I just might have to
break my rule about cooking and make some this weekend.  They don't serve it
cold in restaurants :(

Beverly

> I've progressed through adding fruit, to roasted winter squash and then
> more savory veggies to my cottage cheese.  I like them all.  Nuts are
> excellent in CC.
Annabel Smyth - 11 Aug 2004 17:23 GMT
>This post is making me hungry for a meatloaf sandwich.  I just might have to
>break my rule about cooking and make some this weekend.  They don't serve it
>cold in restaurants :(

Don't you find it's difficult to know what you are putting into your
body if you don't do your own cooking, though?   I know I would; when
I'm actively trying to lose weight the very first thing to go is
take-aways, ready meals and eating out.

If you could get meatloaf in a restaurant, couldn't you order a helping
and then take it home - they don't seem to mind people doing that in
American restaurants.
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Beverly - 11 Aug 2004 18:30 GMT
> >This post is making me hungry for a meatloaf sandwich.  I just might have to
> >break my rule about cooking and make some this weekend.  They don't serve it
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> I'm actively trying to lose weight the very first thing to go is
> take-aways, ready meals and eating out.

I don't find it difficult at all.  I eat the majority of my meals away from
home and have for several years.  I traveled a lot for my previous employer
and I don't especially like to cook so I eat out.

Eating out doesn't mean you can't eat healthy.  Broiled or baked chicken and
fish, steamed vegetables, fresh fruit, salads, etc are all available at
restaurants.  I probably eat better in restaurants than I would fixing meals
at home.  I don't like to cook and wouldn't take the time to prepare too
much.  Most restaurants have the nutritional value of their food available
so it's no different than reading the food labels on items at home.  The
nutritional value of beef, fish and poultry remains the same regardless of
where it's prepared.  Restaurants are always willing to tell you how it's
prepared so you don't have any hidden calories from butter, etc.

> If you could get meatloaf in a restaurant, couldn't you order a helping
> and then take it home - they don't seem to mind people doing that in
> American restaurants.

Yes I could do this but not too many restaurants offer meatloaf.  Those that
do have it on their menu often smother it in gravy.  I don't care for gravy.

Beverly
Annabel Smyth - 12 Aug 2004 11:27 GMT
>I don't find it difficult at all.  I eat the majority of my meals away from
>home and have for several years.  I traveled a lot for my previous employer
>and I don't especially like to cook so I eat out.

But it's so dreadfully expensive - I mean here, one meal out probably
costs more than our food budget for the week!  Unless one were to eat at
McDonald's or somewhere - and at that sort of price, you don't get
healthy food.

>Eating out doesn't mean you can't eat healthy.  Broiled or baked chicken and
>fish, steamed vegetables, fresh fruit, salads, etc are all available at
>restaurants.

Not all here; although some chain restaurants have a salad bar, most of
the salads are in heavy dressings.  The "fresh" fruit salad is often
tinned, and the "fresh" vegetables have often been frozen.  Or else they
are so badly undercooked that I can't digest them.....  And the kind of
restaurant which does (say) delicious sea bass with steamed potatoes and
fresh vegetables (only they were undercooked, alas!) is far too
expensive to think of eating at more than once in a blue moon!

> I probably eat better in restaurants than I would fixing meals
>at home.  I don't like to cook and wouldn't take the time to prepare too
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>where it's prepared.  Restaurants are always willing to tell you how it's
>prepared so you don't have any hidden calories from butter, etc.

Again, I think things are different in the USA; in chain restaurants,
the staff often don't know, or don't understand your question (many of
them, in London at any rate, are recent immigrants and don't speak
English very well yet), and in grand restaurants the chef doesn't like
people questioning him!
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Beverly - 12 Aug 2004 14:45 GMT
> >I don't find it difficult at all.  I eat the majority of my meals away from
> >home and have for several years.  I traveled a lot for my previous employer
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> McDonald's or somewhere - and at that sort of price, you don't get
> healthy food.

I never eat at McDonalds unless it's to stop there after a Saturday morning
bike ride for coffee and a yogurt.  They have a decent yogurt with
strawberries and blueberries.   I probably spend a little more money eating
out than I would cooking at home but I don't have to cook or clean the
kitchen<g>

> >Eating out doesn't mean you can't eat healthy.  Broiled or baked chicken and
> >fish, steamed vegetables, fresh fruit, salads, etc are all available at
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> fresh vegetables (only they were undercooked, alas!) is far too
> expensive to think of eating at more than once in a blue moon!

Salad bars are very popular here.  They range from the just-acceptable to
fantastic.  They will have the salads in heavy dressings - potato salad,
macaroni salad, etc but I never choose them.  I choose from the lettuce,
mushrooms, sliced beets, different types of beans, cucumbers, red/green
peppers, onions, etc.  Fruit normally consists of oranges, melons,
strawberries, blueberries, peaches, mango, apples, bananas, etc and other
seasonal fruit.  Very little of the fruit is canned.  SW Ohio is definitely
not a great place for seafood but you'll find some type of fish on most
menus - cod, mahi-mahi, catfish, salmon, etc.  The vegetables I choose are
usually steamed broccoli or cauliflower, green beans, squash or spinach.
All of them are fresh except the green beans which probably have been
frozen.

> > I probably eat better in restaurants than I would fixing meals
> >at home.  I don't like to cook and wouldn't take the time to prepare too
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> English very well yet), and in grand restaurants the chef doesn't like
> people questioning him!

I've never had a problem asking about the ingredients in a dish in any type
of restaurant.  A few years ago when I was in NYC my co-workers and I had
gone to dinner at a nice restaurant near our hotel.   I asked our waiter
about one of the ingredients in a dish as I couldn't identify it and thought
it tasted great.  He said he wasn't sure but he would certainly find out for
us.  He brought the chef to our table and he was more than happy to talk to
us about the food.  It turned out to be a spice I wasn't familiar with.

My company has offices around the world (we even have one in London) so I'm
accustomed to trying to communicate with people who speak different
languages.  We also have a large community of recent immigrants in the area
but they normally aren't employed in a job that requires direct contact with
the customer until they're able to speak some English.  When I do run across
someone who doesn't seem to understand my question I've found a smile and a
simple "I don't understand " will usually result in them getting someone who
speaks better English.

Beverly

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JMA - 12 Aug 2004 00:12 GMT
>> > I need to try adding some ingredients to mine.  A friend from high
>> > school always added ketchup to hers - this really grossed me out.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> be
> a meatloaf sandwich without it<g>

I always had ketchup on scrambled eggs.  Now I use salsa.  It was also
mandatory on fried baloney sandwiches and of course french fries.  My
brother put it on *everything*, including roast pork w/sauerkraut which made
everyone at the table ill to watch.

> This post is making me hungry for a meatloaf sandwich.  I just might have
> to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Beverly

I love meatloaf sandwiches!  Haven't had one in years.

Jenn
Gloria - 12 Aug 2004 03:04 GMT
Alien, thanks for all the info here:) I guess that others are 'in this
same boat' as we "TRY" the ways that we can live with ! This has beena
really great thread !! So many have added some 'good stuff' and it helps
me :)
It's good to see you back here:))

glo
SnugBear - 12 Aug 2004 03:43 GMT
> I love meatloaf sandwiches!  Haven't had one in years.

Oh man!  Now I have to make meatloaf! (btw, I always put ketchup and mayo
on my ML sandwiches before - don't know yet what I'll do now.)

I'm thinking flour tortilla and some aioli mustard - hmmm

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Annabel Smyth - 12 Aug 2004 11:29 GMT
>> I love meatloaf sandwiches!  Haven't had one in years.
>
>Oh man!  Now I have to make meatloaf! (btw, I always put ketchup and mayo
>on my ML sandwiches before - don't know yet what I'll do now.)

Why not a small amount of low-calorie mayonnaise on one slice of the
bread, and a small amount of ketchup on the other?  No butter, and you
have probably saved as much as you've gained....

>I'm thinking flour tortilla and some aioli mustard - hmmm

Wouldn't flour tortillas count as white bread?  Wholemeal or multigrain
might give you more nutrition for the carbohydrates.
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janice - 12 Aug 2004 20:54 GMT
>Why not a small amount of low-calorie mayonnaise on one slice of the
>bread, and a small amount of ketchup on the other?  No butter, and you
>have probably saved as much as you've gained....

That's how I make my egg sandwiches - spread mayonnaise on the bread
instead of butter.  I never put any marge or butter in my sandwiches
anyway.

janice
Beverly - 13 Aug 2004 02:34 GMT
> >Why not a small amount of low-calorie mayonnaise on one slice of the
> >bread, and a small amount of ketchup on the other?  No butter, and you
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> janice

Now it's my turn to ask another "culture" question.  I've seen in many posts
the reference to putting butter on a sandwich.  Is this a common practice in
the UK?  I can't think of one sandwich to which I would add butter.  The
normal additions to sandwiches here would be lettuce, tomato, onion, mustard
or mayo.

Beverly
Ignoramus14701 - 13 Aug 2004 03:58 GMT
> Now it's my turn to ask another "culture" question.  I've seen in many posts
> the reference to putting butter on a sandwich.  Is this a common practice in
> the UK?  I can't think of one sandwich to which I would add butter.  The
> normal additions to sandwiches here would be lettuce, tomato, onion, mustard
> or mayo.

then you are missing a lot. Try preparing a sandwich with butter and
cheese. Very flavorful and easy to chew and swallow.

That's how people eat in Europe, they enjoy healthy saturated fats.

i
Beverly - 13 Aug 2004 04:05 GMT
> > Now it's my turn to ask another "culture" question.  I've seen in many posts
> > the reference to putting butter on a sandwich.  Is this a common practice in
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> i
I seldom put butter on anything.  I don't even put butter on a dinner roll.
I'm not especially fond of bread and often eat only the crust of it<g>  I
use a tortilla wrap to make most sandwiches or just wrap the meat in a slice
of cheese and skip the bread.  A stick of butter or tub or margarine will
last for several weeks in my house.  Guess I'll have to try butter on a
sandwich sometime to see how it tastes.

Beverly
Ignoramus14701 - 13 Aug 2004 04:22 GMT
>> > Now it's my turn to ask another "culture" question.  I've seen in many
> posts
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> last for several weeks in my house.  Guess I'll have to try butter on a
> sandwich sometime to see how it tastes.

I am not particularly fond of bread either, but bread and butter
tastes quite good to me personally.

i
janice - 13 Aug 2004 07:11 GMT
>> >Why not a small amount of low-calorie mayonnaise on one slice of the
>> >bread, and a small amount of ketchup on the other?  No butter, and you
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Beverly

Yes, it would be more or less unheard of to buy a sandwich here
without butter (or an olive oil spread or soft margarine or
equivalent), or even to make one in the home unless you deliberately
leave it out for dietary reasons, as I do.
Let's clarify what we mean by sandwich - two rounds of sliced bread
with a filling (e.g. chicken, ham, cheese, hard boiled egg, tuna, etc.
etc.), which may or may not also include mayonnaise, salad, tomato,
pickleor some sort of garnish.  Having said that, even crustly rolls,
baguettes, etc. when sold with a filling would have a butter or spread
on them.

It's probably often not real butter, as its a PITA to spread straight
from the fridge.

Hey, I think the only answer to these culture questions is we should
visit each other to learn direct:)

janice
Beverly - 13 Aug 2004 14:34 GMT
> >> >Why not a small amount of low-calorie mayonnaise on one slice of the
> >> >bread, and a small amount of ketchup on the other?  No butter, and you
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> janice

The sandwiches are very similar here with the exception of adding butter or
hard boiled eggs.

I'm all for a visit to learn the different cultures :)  My company has an
office in London but unfortunately the large data center is located here and
they usually send people here for meetings, training, etc.

Beverly
Annabel Smyth - 13 Aug 2004 10:30 GMT
You wrote at 01:34:50 on Fri, 13 Aug 2004:

>Now it's my turn to ask another "culture" question.  I've seen in many posts
>the reference to putting butter on a sandwich.  Is this a common practice in
>the UK?  I can't think of one sandwich to which I would add butter.  The
>normal additions to sandwiches here would be lettuce, tomato, onion, mustard
>or mayo.

Here, normally, the bread is spread with a thin layer of butter or
margarine, and then the sandwich is built on to that.
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julianne - 13 Aug 2004 11:08 GMT
When I lived overseas, butter was the norm for sandwhiches.  I truly
embarrassed myself once in Australia when a friend's mom asked what I would
like on a sandwich and then proceded to make mayo from scratch.  It was not
a staple in Aussie households.

j

> > >Why not a small amount of low-calorie mayonnaise on one slice of the
> > >bread, and a small amount of ketchup on the other?  No butter, and you
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Beverly
Gloria - 13 Aug 2004 13:53 GMT
I think I LOVE Europe :) hehehe
I love my butter but deny myself any at all.

glo
Annabel Smyth - 13 Aug 2004 15:40 GMT
You wrote at 08:53:15 on Fri, 13 Aug 2004:

>I think I LOVE Europe :) hehehe
>I love my butter but deny myself any at all.

Me too!  No, not any at all - sometimes I will cook an egg or some fish
in a little butter, but that is all (and not right now while I'm
actively trying to lose weight).
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JMA - 13 Aug 2004 15:24 GMT
>> >Why not a small amount of low-calorie mayonnaise on one slice of the
>> >bread, and a small amount of ketchup on the other?  No butter, and you
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>
> Beverly

One of the supermarket delis up here makes all of their sandwiches with
margarine spread on them - totally gross - then they wrap them with a packet
of mayo.

Jenn
janice - 13 Aug 2004 18:17 GMT
>One of the supermarket delis up here makes all of their sandwiches with
>margarine spread on them - totally gross - then they wrap them with a packet
>of mayo.
>
>Jenn

The adding of mayo to many of the sandwiches sold here is a relatively
recent thing, and I think it must have come from America.  Until a few
years ago, egg mayonnaise sandwich was a well-established filling
(hard boiled egg chopped and mixed with mayonnaise - yummy), but I
really don't like the way it's getting added to everything from ham to
tuna - it makes them far too rich.
I didn't know you didn't have marge or butter on sandwiches in America
- it really is the fundamental part of the recipe - bread and butter
+ filling.  Very unusual to find anyone who eats them without this,
unless they don't want to spend the calories on it because they're
aiming to lose weight.

janice
Annabel Smyth - 15 Aug 2004 10:46 GMT
janice wrote in alt.support.diet on Fri, 13 Aug 2004:

>The adding of mayo to many of the sandwiches sold here is a relatively
>recent thing, and I think it must have come from America.  Until a few
>years ago, egg mayonnaise sandwich was a well-established filling
>(hard boiled egg chopped and mixed with mayonnaise - yummy), but I
>really don't like the way it's getting added to everything from ham to
>tuna - it makes them far too rich.

I think it started when ready-made sandwiches began to be sold; 20 years
ago, they were a rarity, and there were loads of little sandwich shops
that made to order, and did not add mayonnaise.  When the supermarkets
started selling ready-made sandwiches, they all had mayonnaise in them,
which was very hard for my aunt, who is either allergic to it or has
such an intense dislike of it that she can't bear to even think of
eating it.

But in recent years it's got better as most of the supermarkets (and
chains like Prêt) do now sell a range of "healthy" sandwiches which
mostly don't contain any mayonnaise.

>I didn't know you didn't have marge or butter on sandwiches in America
>- it really is the fundamental part of the recipe - bread and butter
>+ filling.  Very unusual to find anyone who eats them without this,
>unless they don't want to spend the calories on it because they're
>aiming to lose weight.

I didn't know, either.  It sounds weird to me, although I don't use
either myself on sandwiches I make.
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Aquarijen - 13 Aug 2004 17:46 GMT
> Now it's my turn to ask another "culture" question.  I've seen in many posts
> the reference to putting butter on a sandwich.  Is this a common practice in
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>
> Beverly

I have always put butter on all of my sandwiches prior to starting my new
WOE.  I'm trying to get used to dry-er tasting sandwitches.  I only like
real Helman's Mayo (not Kraft or any other brand), but it is like 100% fat,
so I'm skipping the mayo all together (I don't think I could control how
much I would eat of it if it were in my house - same with real butter or
margarine).  I've been using mustard and sometimes a tiny bit of horseradish
sauce and sometimes butter spray.  I'm in Tennessee, US, by the way.
-Jen
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Beverly - 13 Aug 2004 18:20 GMT
> > Now it's my turn to ask another "culture" question.  I've seen in many
> posts
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> -Jen
> 210/202/140

Maybe it's a regional custom in the states.  Than again maybe I'm the only
one who doesn't do it<g>  I never put butter on my toast - just add jelly or
peanut butter.

I hadn't kept peanut butter in the house for quite sometime because it was
one of those trigger foods for me.  It would just keep calling my name from
the fridge until it was gone.  I decided to give it another try a couple
weeks ago as I occasionally like whole wheat toast with peanut butter for a
quick breakfast when I'm at home.  I'm happy to say that peanut butter has
set in the fridge and kept it's mouth shut this time :) .

Beverly
SnugBear - 14 Aug 2004 00:43 GMT
> Now it's my turn to ask another "culture" question.  I've seen in many
> posts the reference to putting butter on a sandwich.  Is this a common
> practice in the UK?  I can't think of one sandwich to which I would
> add butter.  The normal additions to sandwiches here would be lettuce,
> tomato, onion, mustard or mayo.

Food poisoning - bah!

When we were on vacation in the UK in '83 we went to check out an old
abbey on a tidal island in Northumbria - Lindesfarne. My husband misread
the tide and we were stuck there longer than we anticipated and needed to
get lunch somewhere.  I recall that the local eatery appeared to be a
tourist trap and we walked around getting more and more hungry.

Finally we saw a small sign outside a little house right along the street
that said "Crab Sandwiches - 85p" and decided to take our chances. On a
small table just inside the door was a stack of sandwiches and an honor
jar.  We paid for 2 and found a place to sit near the causeway to watch
the tide go out.  Each sandwich consisted of 2 small, thin slices of
white bread spread with a thin layer of butter and (I *swear*) less than
a quarter inch thick layer of crab with no dressing, mayo or anything
else.

It was the BEST sandwich I had in my life.

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janice - 14 Aug 2004 09:38 GMT
>When we were on vacation in the UK in '83 we went to check out an old
>abbey on a tidal island in Northumbria - Lindesfarne. My husband misread
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>
>It was the BEST sandwich I had in my life.

Laurie I know Lindisfarne well, and I really love it.  We even stayed
there in a holiday apartment for several days in winter once and it
was lovely to be there before all the day trippers arrived and in the
evening after they'd left.   I had to smile at you getting cut off by
the tide - easily done if you don't pay proper attention to the tide
information!  I've even seen people walking across when the tide's
out, and having to hurry as it came in - this can be seriously
dangerous, of course.

A lot of seaside places sell fresh crab sandwiches over here and it
can be delicious.  I do like my sandwiches to be more filling than
bread, though, and I'm not sure about the white bread either but I'll
believe you when you say it was the best ever:)

janice
Annabel Smyth - 13 Aug 2004 10:29 GMT
You wrote at 20:54:26 on Thu, 12 Aug 2004:

>>Why not a small amount of low-calorie mayonnaise on one slice of the
>>bread, and a small amount of ketchup on the other?  No butter, and you
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>instead of butter.  I never put any marge or butter in my sandwiches
>anyway.

Me neither.  Haven't for over ten years.
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Annabel Smyth - 11 Aug 2004 17:20 GMT
>I need to try adding some ingredients to mine.  A friend from high school
>always added ketchup to hers - this really grossed me out.  Come to think of
>it, I think she added ketchup to most things<g>
>
>I have tried fruit but that's about the limit of my cottage cheese
>additions.

Chopped chives are nice - or even chopped onion, if you like raw onion.
You can add a tablespoon of grated Cheddar cheese, too, unless you don't
eat that sort of cheese.  Grated carrot works well, too - makes a good
sandwich filling.
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JMA - 12 Aug 2004 00:07 GMT
>> > > breakfast
>> > >  1 cup dry oats
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>
> Beverly

I've added sugar free chocolate syrup, peanut butter, and nuts (yes, at the
same time).  I've also added tuna or salmon, yogurt, and all kinds of fruit
(not at the same time).  It's all good.

Jenn
ALIEN_69@c.com - 12 Aug 2004 03:50 GMT
>> I have tried fruit but that's about the limit of my cottage cheese
>> additions.
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>
> Jenn

tuna and CC is very good.

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Annabel Smyth - 12 Aug 2004 11:29 GMT
>tuna and CC is very good.

I like salmon and cucumber with my cottage cheese - you can sometimes
buy it like that.
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>> breakfast
>>  1 cup dry oats
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>yogurt but I've never added cottage cheese.  I guess I'm just one of those
>"it has to be plain cottage cheese" people :)

I rather like it (cottage cheese, I mean) stirred through a rice salad
or tabbouleh or whatever.

I would probably have soaked the oats (or muesli base) in unsweetened
fruit juice before adding the yogurt.  Sadly, in this country, fat free
yogurts all have artificial sweetener in, and that is something I will
not willingly put in my body.  A little sugar, perhaps, if it's
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Gloria - 11 Aug 2004 14:13 GMT
Alien, do you count cal? I like the menu that you sent here and I'm kind
of 'watching' for a better change for me. I need to be more satisfied
than I've been . As time goes by I get a little side-tracked as I am NOT
hungry but just seem to 'need' more OR differant foods. I like the kashi
cereal with fresh fruit for breakfast and I think that I'll try the two
bread sandwhich today. (MAYBE) I'm knd of thinking I need LESS carbs so
I may leave out the one slice bread. I have a FRESH tomato that looks
pretty tempting today:) I guess my lunch will be something with tomato .
Maybe tuna would be good with it. Off to my job with a good lunch. i
mentioned tomato and it 'stuck' in my mind until I put one into the
lunch bag today:) They are yummy this time of year!

Have a great day everyone!!

glo
Ignoramus5937 - 11 Aug 2004 14:33 GMT
> Alien, do you count cal? I like the menu that you sent here and I'm kind
> of 'watching' for a better change for me. I need to be more satisfied
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>
> Have a great day everyone!!

I don't know about you, but since I gave up all grains and starches
three weeks ago, I am much less hungry and do not think about food as
much. It is, SO FAR, a blessing for me. The amount of "willpower" that
I need, is now much less. Like you, I used to eat bread in the
morning. So I decided to give it a try and live without grains and
starches (paleo diet), and it is much better. I am not, yet,
regaining, and I eat a bit more calories as well (this is an eyeballed
estimation only). I'll see how it goes.

i
Annabel Smyth - 11 Aug 2004 17:26 GMT
>Alien, do you count cal? I like the menu that you sent here and I'm kind
>of 'watching' for a better change for me. I need to be more satisfied
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>mentioned tomato and it 'stuck' in my mind until I put one into the
>lunch bag today:) They are yummy this time of year!

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, quite like a tomato picked and
eaten within 30 seconds!

Cottage cheese would be nice with your tomato, perhaps?

For breakfast, why not ring the changes, and have kashi cereal one day
and a little muesli the next?  If you make up your own, or buy the
no-added-sugar variety, it is really good and satisfying (I ate it too
often when my job required I took breakfast, and got terribly fed up of
it, so am not eating it right now, but am beginning to want it again).
Or, if you have time, a grilled tomato and rasher of bacon on a slice of
bread is good, especially if you cut the fat off the bacon.

>Have a great day everyone!!

You too.
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>For breakfast, why not ring the changes, and have kashi cereal one day
>and a little muesli the next?  If you make up your own, or buy the
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>Or, if you have time, a grilled tomato and rasher of bacon on a slice of
>bread is good, especially if you cut the fat off the bacon.

My favourite bacon, which comes without any fat, is Sainsburys Be Good
to Yourself bacon medallions.  I don't usually like Sainsbury's own
stuff too much but these are tender and delicious, IMO.

Annabel, did you say you'd bought Kashi cereal in the UK.  Can you
tell me where? (I'm in London too).

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Annabel Smyth - 12 Aug 2004 11:30 GMT
>Annabel, did you say you'd bought Kashi cereal in the UK.  Can you
>tell me where? (I'm in London too).

Sainsbury's on Clapham Common usually has it, as does the health food
shop on the other side of Clapham High Road.  But if you are near a big
Sainsbury's (not a Local), try there first.  They don't always have it,
but sometimes.
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>>Annabel, did you say you'd bought Kashi cereal in the UK.  Can you
>>tell me where? (I'm in London too).
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>Sainsbury's (not a Local), try there first.  They don't always have it,
>but sometimes.

I do have a big Sainsbury's near me - I'll have a lok.  Thanks.

janice
Gloria - 13 Aug 2004 02:20 GMT
I'm not counting cals any longer:) But I NEVER get on tose scales more
than once or twice a week:) I also eat every couple hours too and I
really don't get so hungry either. I eat my SF ice cream OFTEN but with
great control now. Life is better and I don't binge hardly at all
anymore. WOW, I think I'm really BETTER ! LOL as I stop to think of my
WOE/WOL :)

This rain is driving me nuts!!! I live on the lake so you can imagine
how wet my yard stays:(

Thanks sooo much for the fine post here!!!

glo
ALIEN_69@c.com - 11 Aug 2004 18:23 GMT
GloDon2@webtv.net (Gloria) wrote in news:10173-411A1B64-46@storefull-
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> Alien, do you count cal? I like the menu that you sent here and I'm kind
> of 'watching' for a better change for me. I need to be more satisfied
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>
> glo  

I counted cals in the beginning. It helped me learn how to eat more while
staying within a certain limit. Now I just eat normal? and always have
snacks. I never go back for seconds either! I added almost everything
back into my diet. I still stay away from proccessed white flour products
and regular sugar. Other than that I eat pretty much anything I want.
**portion control** :) IT seems to be working pretty good. I am holding
steady withing a 5 pound range without as much as a second thought. I
still measure and weigh my foods though. As to make sure I am getting a
perfect serving. Oh yeah, some sort of exercise daily. Every day. Adding
carbs and whole grains in moderate amounts back into my diet hasnt
effected my cravings or weight in any way. I for the most part stay full
longer and have more energy. If I truly crave something I will eat 1
portion. I am the type of person that if I faught of cravings 365 days a
year I will wind of going on a big binge that will lead to God only knows
what. If I crave cookies I get a recipe and see how I can make a healthy?
cookie. And as long as it tastes good to me. That is what counts. I have
been known to throw some pretty strange cookies together. :) lol. You can
make wonderful snacks with whole grain oats/whole grain flour/splenda/fat
free plain yogurt/fruit. Oatmeal apple cookies are great! I know that
some do not like splenda or any sweetner. BUT it doesnt affect my
cravings or weight in anyway to I will continue to use it in a moderate
fashion. :) I like to read when people give recipes they make up
themselves. I will try almost anything once.

PS. I also tend to eat most of my food on the lower end of the glycemic
index! This helps alot. I have also been experimenting with the effects
of apple cider vinegar in lowering the gi value of high gi foods. It does
SEEM to keep my blood sugar from spiking and cravings at bay after eating
things like bananas and the occaional breaded chinese or white pasta.
Which I eat very rarely and sparingly. I hope any of this is
informational. Nice talking to yall again!

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Ignoramus5937 - 11 Aug 2004 18:59 GMT
I am very happy for you Alien, especially for the fact that your new
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ALIEN_69@c.com - 11 Aug 2004 20:21 GMT
Ignoramus5937 <ignoramus5937@NOSPAM.5937.invalid> wrote in news:cfdmq9$63h
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> I am very happy for you Alien, especially for the fact that your new
> life is easy wrt weight maintenance.
>
> i

Thanks Ig. Its funny how a persons woe evolves many many times before they
find something that they can live with long term. Mine changed monthly
sometimes weekly in the past. :)
 
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SnugBear - 12 Aug 2004 03:26 GMT
> Oatmeal apple cookies are great! I know that
> some do not like splenda or any sweetner. BUT it doesnt affect my
> cravings or weight in anyway to I will continue to use it in a moderate
> fashion. :) I like to read when people give recipes they make up
> themselves. I will try almost anything once.

Recipe please <s>

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A Ross - 12 Aug 2004 16:55 GMT
In article
<10173-411A1B64-46@storefull-3136.bay.webtv.net>,

> Alien, do you count cal? I like the menu that you sent
> here and I'm kind
> of 'watching' for a better change for me. I need to be
> more satisfied
> than I've been .

> glo  
>
>                          
Hey glo!

I took yesterday off so didn't see your post til
now--and haven't waded through the whole thread so I'll
likely repeat what others have already said...

I found that when I was eating low cal/low fat, I was
never satisfied. I stayed within my WW points, but
would be starving by the end of the day, and you know
what happens then! I found I did much better with a
balanced approach, counting calories, eating more
"good" fats and more protien, and watching my carbs by
choosing what is important to me--I mean, would far
rather spend my carbs/calories on a cold beer than on a
piece of cake or slice of bread, but that's me. You
might be different (I know you like your SF ice cream).

I also plan my meals in advance, so I won't stand in
front of the fridge making poor choices. And I eat
about every two hours--just a couple hundred calories
until dinner time, when I spend what I have left, or
save some calories for a late TV time snack.

I've been doing this so long that it's second nature
now--which is how a WOE should be, I guess. Easy to
stick to and satisfying.

Now, if I could get my butt back to the gym, I'd be a
happy girl! Maybe after the student's come back, and
things die back down around here...

See ya, glo! Enjoying all the rain?

Amy
fuckyou@fuckyou.com - 12 Aug 2004 07:35 GMT
>breakfast       
> 1 cup dry oats
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>maintaining 189-194 range
>current 190

Who gives a f.ck what you ate !!!!
Before you post such useless crap again, EAT sh.t AND DIE.
Chris Braun - 15 Aug 2004 05:20 GMT
Looks like you're on a good eating plan, Alien -- and your progress
has certainly been impressive!

Chris
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