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Food & Exercise -- 8/16/2004
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Chris Braun - 17 Aug 2004 01:50 GMT Food:
6:15 (driving to gym): ready-to-drink chocolate protein shake 8:15 (diner w/ Tom): English muffin w/ butter; 2 fried eggs; 12 oz grapefruit juice 11:45 (work, brought from home): 150g turkey meatloaf w/ 3 slices melted f/f cheese 1:00 (work, from jar on my desk): 1 hard candy {I rarely eat these, but my throat is sore and it was soothing.} 3:00 (work, brought from home): 1 peach 4:30 (work, from jar on desk): 1 hard candy 7:30 (home): 2 poached eggs on 1 slice whole wheat toast w/ 3 slices melted f/f cheese {This dish, which I eat far too often, is for me what our friends in England call "nursery food" -- sort of comfort eating when I'm tired or feeling under the weather or just wanting to indulge myself on a weekend morning.} 10:00 (home -- planned): 1/2 cup sugar-free vanilla instant pudding (made w/ skim milk) {Sounds comfy for my sore throat.}
Totals: 1457 calories, 35g fat (22%), 168g carbs (46%), 110g protein (30%)
Exercise:
6:45 a.m. -- Bench, etc.
5 minutes or so of treadmill walking, while waiting for Tom (I was early)
Bench: 1x10x45; 1x10x65; 1x5x85; 3x3x105; 1x5x85 {Felt very off today. I think I'm still fighting a cold.}
Machine shoulder press: 1x5x60; 1x5x70
Seated DB overhead triceps extension: 1x6x40
Lying triceps extension w/ EZ curl bar: 1x5x45
Triceps pressdowns: 1x12x80
Cable fly/press combos: a) alternating fly/press -- 10 each, @ 40 lbs. b) press upward with one hand and downward with other -- 10 @ 25 lbs. c) press with one hand while doing fly with other -- 10 @ 25 d) flys with one arm while holding other in front -- 5 each arm @ 25 {These are more about core stabilization than about the weight.}
12:00 -- 3 mile brisk walk {Nice to be back to the walking, and it was a gorgeous day!}
Chris 262/141/ (145-150)
Elly - 17 Aug 2004 08:22 GMT Food:
Breakfast: cottage cheese w/Splenda
Lunch: stir-fried beans w/melted cheese (1 can beans, 1 Ts olive oil, 2 Tbs tomato sauce, 1 Tbs Tamari soy sauce, 4 Tbs light cream, 1 slice cheese for toast)
Dinner: cottage cheese w/vanilla extract (200 g cottage cheese, 10 g vanilla extract)
Water = 10.5 cups; vitamin C drink
Exercise: walking during shopping - total 2 hrs: active walking-pushing stroller - 1 hr
According to Fitday = 44 grams of carbs, and 190 calories burned from exercise.
Elly breastfeeding mom of a 10mo, following the balanced low carb WOE Mid July 2004: 195.8 / 187 / mini-goal by August 22nd: 184.8 (to 187 lbs- reached) sometime in the (distant) future: 150 lbs
Annabel Smyth - 17 Aug 2004 12:17 GMT Food:
Breakfast (about 8.30? I didn't notice!): 1 slice Granary bread spread with Boursin au poivre. Small bowl fruit salad (as yesterday's)
Lunch (at about 2.00 pm): 2 slices Granary bread, one spread with low-fat cream cheese and cherry jam, the other spread with La Brique cheese. 1 tomato
Dinner (8.15 pm): Ratatouille and grated cheese served with coquillettes (a type of pasta); small helping lavender sorbet
Exercise:
None (planned rest day)
Memo to self: write down day's food & exercise as it is taken, so as not to have to rack brains next day!
 Signature Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" 90/88.5/80kg
Chris Braun - 17 Aug 2004 14:09 GMT >Food: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Memo to self: write down day's food & exercise as it is taken, so as not >to have to rack brains next day! Certainly sounds like a modest calorie level for the day. But it seems like there's rather little protein. Opinions vary on how much one needs, I know, but I'd miss it if I ate as you did yesterday. (There's some in cheese, certainly, but it's hard to get enough unless you eat quite a lot of cheese, which is rather high in calories.)
Just my personal preference -- YMMV.
Chris 262/141/ (145-150)
Annabel Smyth - 17 Aug 2004 14:39 GMT Chris Braun wrote in alt.support.diet on Tue, 17 Aug 2004:
>Certainly sounds like a modest calorie level for the day. But it >seems like there's rather little protein. Opinions vary on how much >one needs, I know, but I'd miss it if I ate as you did yesterday. >(There's some in cheese, certainly, but it's hard to get enough unless >you eat quite a lot of cheese, which is rather high in calories.) And the egg whites in the sorbet, don't forget. I know cheese is high in calories, but I do still like it! :-)
Still trying to decide what to have for dinner tonight - the choices are either a fish pie made with coley and calamari, butternut squash risotto (probably tomorrow), and microwaved or grilled Alaska Pollock with a tomato-onion-and-marrow sauce and rice. Probably the latter, and the others for Wednesday and Friday (Thursdays we don't get in until much later, so usually have something fairly quick, or something cold, probably ham and salad).
I have bought myself a pedometer which, unlike the last one I bought, actually works! It will be interesting to see if it knows I'm moving when I skate.
 Signature Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" 90/88.5/80kg
jmk - 17 Aug 2004 17:33 GMT > Food: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Memo to self: write down day's food & exercise as it is taken, so as not > to have to rack brains next day! I have a question about this. In your introduction you stated that you were cutting back on carbs. Is that still your plan? What are you replacing the carbohydrates with? Fat? Protein? Also, I am not familiar with Granary bread. What kind of bread is that? I mean, what type of grains is it made from? How much fiber does it have per slice?
Also, I see that Chris mentioned something about your protein intake in her response. I think that she is right, it would be good if you could consider increasing your protein intake. That is especially important for your athletic performance.
 Signature jmk in NC
Annabel Smyth - 18 Aug 2004 11:39 GMT jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Tue, 17 Aug 2004:
>I have a question about this. In your introduction you stated that you >were cutting back on carbs. Is that still your plan? Not cutting *out* carbs, as in Atkins, but more trying to eat less all round, especially of fat and carbohydrates.
>What are you replacing the carbohydrates with? Fat? Protein? Er, neither - I want to lower the amount of energy I take in, not increase it!
> Also, I am not familiar with Granary bread. What kind of bread is >that? I mean, what type of grains is it made from? How much fiber does >it have per slice? No idea how much fibre, but it is wholewheat bread with added grains of wheat, etc.
>Also, I see that Chris mentioned something about your protein intake in >her response. I think that she is right, it would be good if you could >consider increasing your protein intake. That is especially important >for your athletic performance. It's about my normal level of protein intake.
 Signature Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" 90/88.5/80kg
jmk - 18 Aug 2004 13:15 GMT > jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Tue, 17 Aug 2004: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Not cutting *out* carbs, as in Atkins, but more trying to eat less all > round, especially of fat and carbohydrates. Firstly, Atkins drastically reduces there percentage of calories that come from carbohydrates, it doesn't eliminate them. The plan is most restrictive during the first phase (minimum, two weeks).
>> What are you replacing the carbohydrates with? Fat? Protein? > > Er, neither - I want to lower the amount of energy I take in, not > increase it! So you are not trying reducing the carbohydrates as a percent of your caloric intake (currently about 60% of your calories come from carbohydrates, 30% from fat and 10% from protein if your post from Tuesday is an accurate reflection of your typical WOE)? In your introduction you stated, "When I lost it before, it was on a low-fat regime; I don't have a sweet tooth, and am reluctant to give up cheese altogether, so plan to cut down on carbohydrates (but not get rid of them completely) and be more stringent about the amount of fat I eat, and generally try to eat less all over, while keeping to a well-balanced diet, probably slightly heavy on fruit and vegetables."
Your only vegetables were the ratatouille and tomato and your only fruits were in the fruit salad. I would not call that heavy on fruits and vegetables but it may be more than you were eating before. Is that the case?
>> Also, I am not familiar with Granary bread. What kind of bread is >> that? I mean, what type of grains is it made from? How much fiber >> does it have per slice? >> > No idea how much fibre, but it is wholewheat bread with added grains of > wheat, etc. What does the package say? From what I found online, which seemed to be somewhat spotty, it has 235 kcal per serving, 2.7 g of fat, 46.3 g of carbohydrates (4.3 g of fiber) and 9.3 g of protein.
http://www.disabilityuk.com/masterpages/breadc.htm
>> Also, I see that Chris mentioned something about your protein intake >> in her response. I think that she is right, it would be good if you >> could consider increasing your protein intake. That is especially >> important for your athletic performance. >> > It's about my normal level of protein intake. Well, I agree with Chris, you might benefit from increasing your protein intake somewhat. It looks like you had about 55 g of protein on Tuesday. Given your athletic endeavors, you may want to look at increasing that some.
 Signature jmk in NC
Annabel Smyth - 18 Aug 2004 13:54 GMT jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004:
>> jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Tue, 17 Aug 2004: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >come from carbohydrates, it doesn't eliminate them. The plan is most >restrictive during the first phase (minimum, two weeks). True, but if you have grown up categorising your meals on whether they are based on bread, potatoes, pasta or rice, omitting 50% of the food on your plate would, to me, feel like cutting out carbohydrates!
>So you are not trying reducing the carbohydrates as a percent of your >caloric intake (currently about 60% of your calories come from >carbohydrates, 30% from fat and 10% from protein if your post from >Tuesday is an accurate reflection of your typical WOE)? No, I am trying to reduce my caloric intake overall. Probably by lowering my carbohydrate intake a bit, and being more stringent about fat.
>Your only vegetables were the ratatouille and tomato and your only >fruits were in the fruit salad. I would not call that heavy on fruits >and vegetables but it may be more than you were eating before. Is that >the case? No, but since most of one meal was ratatouille, and most of another was banana followed by fruit salad.....
>>> Also, I am not familiar with Granary bread. What kind of bread is >>>that? I mean, what type of grains is it made from? How much fiber [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >What does the package say? It doesn't, as it is baked at the supermarket and wrapped in cellophane, not pre-sliced, pre-wrapped, pre-digested..... I was trying to straighten up the loaf (why is my mother the only person I know who can cut a loaf straight?).... I imagine it is high-fibre, though.
>Well, I agree with Chris, you might benefit from increasing your >protein intake somewhat. It looks like you had about 55 g of protein >on Tuesday. Given your athletic endeavors, you may want to look at >increasing that some. Perhaps.
 Signature Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" 90/88/80kg
jmk - 18 Aug 2004 14:14 GMT > jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > True, but if you have grown up categorising your meals on whether they > are based on bread, potatoes, pasta or rice, I did.
> omitting 50% of the food on > your plate would, to me, feel like cutting out carbohydrates! Not omitting, replacing with something else like steamed veggies or salad or...
>> So you are not trying reducing the carbohydrates as a percent of your >> caloric intake (currently about 60% of your calories come from [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No, I am trying to reduce my caloric intake overall. Probably by > lowering my carbohydrate intake a bit, and being more stringent about fat. I'm sorry, I guess I misunderstood your introductory post. Since you are trying to reduce caloric intake overall, how are you tracking it? Many of us use computer based methods. I use my PDA to track calories. I think that JMA uses a program called DietPower. I believe Chris uses a spreadsheet that she created for this purpose. Janice, I think, uses http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/. Many others use fitday.com.
>> Your only vegetables were the ratatouille and tomato and your only >> fruits were in the fruit salad. I would not call that heavy on fruits [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No, but since most of one meal was ratatouille, and most of another was > banana followed by fruit salad..... OK. I was just wondering if this was meeting your goal of loading up on fruits and veggies or not.
>>>> Also, I am not familiar with Granary bread. What kind of bread is >>>> that? I mean, what type of grains is it made from? How much fiber [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > straighten up the loaf (why is my mother the only person I know who can > cut a loaf straight?).... I imagine it is high-fibre, though. Uh, you might want to check on it.
>> Well, I agree with Chris, you might benefit from increasing your >> protein intake somewhat. It looks like you had about 55 g of protein >> on Tuesday. Given your athletic endeavors, you may want to look at >> increasing that some. >> > Perhaps.
 Signature jmk in NC
Annabel Smyth - 18 Aug 2004 14:55 GMT jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004:
>I'm sorry, I guess I misunderstood your introductory post. Since you >are trying to reduce caloric intake overall, how are you tracking it? By making a note of what I eat, cutting out all bread- or cake-based snacks (trying to cut out snacks altogether, but I do allow a piece of fruit or a very small piece of cheese if I feel I need it), and generally trying to eat less overall.
>> It doesn't, as it is baked at the supermarket and wrapped in >>cellophane, not pre-sliced, pre-wrapped, pre-digested..... I was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Uh, you might want to check on it. It's only about the healthiest bread you can eat in this country, is all..... except perhaps the multiseed, which is my absolute favourite, but difficult to get.
 Signature Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" 90/88/80kg
jmk - 18 Aug 2004 15:19 GMT > jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > fruit or a very small piece of cheese if I feel I need it), and > generally trying to eat less overall. Ah, so you are not actually counting anything, just writing it down.
>>> It doesn't, as it is baked at the supermarket and wrapped in >>> cellophane, not pre-sliced, pre-wrapped, pre-digested..... I was [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > all..... except perhaps the multiseed, which is my absolute favourite, > but difficult to get. OK. I just thought that confirming it might be a good plan if you are doing this to try to improve your health and wellbeing. Nevermind.
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Annabel Smyth - 18 Aug 2004 15:57 GMT jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004:
>Ah, so you are not actually counting anything, just writing it down. Not at the moment; I must look up my fat content table that I have somewhere. As usual, it's pretty useless since it talks about pre-prepared food, which is not something I eat all that much of.
Anyway, I've lost 2 kg so far (4.5 lbs), so I must be doing something right!
>OK. I just thought that confirming it might be a good plan if you are >doing this to try to improve your health and wellbeing. Nevermind. Well, I know full well that it is extremely healthy - and delicious! I've eaten it most of my life. I'm sorry, but I refuse to accept that complex carbohydrates, such as belong in wholegrain bread, are a part of one's diet that should be omitted, unless one happens to be allergic to wheat or wheat products (or gluten).
 Signature Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" 90/88/80kg
jmk - 18 Aug 2004 16:12 GMT > jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004: >> OK. I just thought that confirming it might be a good plan if you are [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > one's diet that should be omitted, unless one happens to be allergic to > wheat or wheat products (or gluten). I never said that complex carbohydrates are bad and should be omitted. I suggested that you might want to look into the caloric count and amount of fiber in this particular product so that you can confirm that it is what you think that it is.
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Annabel Smyth - 18 Aug 2004 17:47 GMT jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004:
>I never said that complex carbohydrates are bad and should be omitted. >I suggested that you might want to look into the caloric count and >amount of fiber in this particular product so that you can confirm that >it is what you think that it is. Well, I know it is what I think it is! Granary bread is granary bread is granary bread.... perhaps you don't have it in the USA? http://www.hovisbakery.co.uk/?premium and click on the granary loaf (which describes itself as "The nation's favourite bread").
 Signature Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" 90/88/80kg
jmk - 18 Aug 2004 18:21 GMT > jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > http://www.hovisbakery.co.uk/?premium and click on the granary loaf > (which describes itself as "The nation's favourite bread"). Firstly, I stated previously that I am not familiar with that product. Secondly, that's like saying wheat bread is wheat bread is wheat bread. It isn't. The calories, fiber, etc. vary wildly and wheat could mean from refined wheat from some amount of whole wheat or from 100% whole wheat. Finally, this site contains no nutritional information whatsoever. My point was that *if* you are trying to make a permanent change to your WOE, having this information would be useful.
Clearly you don't want to discuss this so I will drop it at this point.
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Annabel Smyth - 18 Aug 2004 19:38 GMT jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004:
>> jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Firstly, I stated previously that I am not familiar with that product. Oh, did you? I'm sure they *must* have it in the USA, they can't not - it's the most popular bread here! Perhaps it has a different name?
>Secondly, that's like saying wheat bread is wheat bread is wheat bread. >It isn't. The calories, fiber, etc. vary wildly and wheat could mean >from refined wheat from some amount of whole wheat or from 100% whole >wheat. Er, no - wholemeal bread *has* to be made from wholemeal flour, and granary bread has to contain crushed wheat, otherwise they can't be called that. Your laws may be different, of course, but here, if a bread is to call itself wholemeal, that is what it is made from.
> Finally, this site contains no nutritional information whatsoever. My >point was that *if* you are trying to make a permanent change to your >WOE, having this information would be useful. But why, since this is not a change I plan to make? I have eaten granary bread all my life, and plan to continue to do so. I don't think its calorie/fibre/whatever content is all that different to plain vanilla wholemeal, but it does taste nicer! On the other hand, plain vanilla wholemeal is quite nice for a change sometimes, don't you think?
 Signature Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" 90/88/80kg
Beverly - 18 Aug 2004 18:57 GMT > jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > http://www.hovisbakery.co.uk/?premium and click on the granary loaf > (which describes itself as "The nation's favourite bread"). I was curious as to what the caloric/nutritional value was on this bread but I wasn't able to find it on their site. Is it listed on the wrapper?
I assume this is not the brand you use since it's sliced and you indicated yours was not. I did run across this article and it touches on some of the problems we all encounter when buying foods we believe are good for us. http://tinyurl.com/57cze
We have granary (brown bread with added wholegrains) bread here but it has the standard food label so I can compare the ingredients and nutritional information between the brands before I purchase it. If it's sold in a bakery they must have the nutritional information available to the consumer. The ingredients vary from brand to brand.
Annabel Smyth - 18 Aug 2004 19:42 GMT Beverly wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004:
>I was curious as to what the caloric/nutritional value was on this bread but >I wasn't able to find it on their site. Is it listed on the wrapper? Yes, and in the site you so kindly quoted below.
>I assume this is not the brand you use since it's sliced and you indicated >yours was not. No, but they are all very much of a muchness, I think. This was the supermarket's in-store baked brand, which you can get either sliced or unsliced (same nutritional value, it's just that one lot has been run through the store's slicer, the other hasn't). Husband likes to buy an unsliced loaf on Saturday mornings, for his breakfast.
>I did run across this article and it touches on some of the >problems we all encounter when buying foods we believe are good for us. >http://tinyurl.com/57cze I am delighted to see that a medium slice of my favourite bread is only 79 Kc!
>We have granary (brown bread with added wholegrains) bread here but it has >the standard food label so I can compare the ingredients and nutritional >information between the brands before I purchase it. If it's sold in a >bakery they must have the nutritional information available to the consumer. >The ingredients vary from brand to brand. I think here it has to be wholemeal bread with added wholegrains, not brown.
 Signature Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" 90/88/80kg
janice - 18 Aug 2004 19:11 GMT >jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Tue, 17 Aug 2004: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >No idea how much fibre, but it is wholewheat bread with added grains of >wheat, > I had a quick look on the diet software I use, and basic granary bread is given (per 100g) as 235 calories, 46.3 carbs, 2.7 fat, 9.3 protein and 4.3 fibre. Personally, I dislike granary bread, both the flavour and the way the grains hurt my teeth.
janice
Beverly - 18 Aug 2004 19:17 GMT > >jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Tue, 17 Aug 2004: > > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > janice About how many slices would 100g equal?
Is all granary bread the same? It's simply a brown bread with added whole grains in the US and can vary drastically from brand to brand.
Beverly
jmk - 18 Aug 2004 19:39 GMT >>>jmk wrote in alt.support.diet on Tue, 17 Aug 2004: >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > About how many slices would 100g equal? 100 g = 3.5 oz (about)
When I go to Panera and buy bread, if I have it "thin sliced" it is 1.25 oz per slice.
> Is all granary bread the same? It's simply a brown bread with added whole > grains in the US and can vary drastically from brand to brand. Certainly! For example, the Le Brea and the Panera of the same variety have very different nutritional profiles.
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Annabel Smyth - 18 Aug 2004 19:43 GMT Beverly wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004:
>About how many slices would 100g equal? 3-4, if the bread is medium-sliced.
>Is all granary bread the same? It's simply a brown bread with added whole >grains in the US and can vary drastically from brand to brand. Here it is wholemeal, rather than brown. And mostly more or less the same, or as near as makes no nevermind.
 Signature Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" 90/88/80kg
Elly - 18 Aug 2004 08:15 GMT > Food: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Dinner (8.15 pm): Ratatouille and grated cheese served with coquillettes > (a type of pasta); small helping lavender sorbet Just curious - have you been using any type of program to calculate the caloric intake?
>Memo to self: write down day's food & exercise as it is taken, so as not > to have to rack brains next day! Good reminder: I will have to do this during the holiday!
Elly
Annabel Smyth - 18 Aug 2004 11:40 GMT Elly wrote in alt.support.diet on Wed, 18 Aug 2004:
>Just curious - have you been using any type of program to calculate the >caloric intake? No, but I know from experience that if I write it down, I'll eat less!
:-)  Signature Annabel - "Mrs Redboots" 90/88.5/80kg
Steve Knight - 17 Aug 2004 16:16 GMT lets see. when I first get up 2 scoops of whey protein powder and some berries and some homemade kumbacha tea blended up. a vitamin and 4 fish oil capsules. 9 am 5 slices of bacon and a sausage cooked in the oven. 10:20 am 10 mile bike ride to work going as fast as my lungs will let me. 11:15 a apple when I get to work. 12:30 a ride to a lunch place. 1/4 pound of salami and a little less Swiss cheese. (I also on some days have stir fried veggies and meat with no rice) 3pm a couple scoops of protein powder and an apple and banana and 4 fish oil capsules. 5pm ride 10 miles about 1/2 up hill 7pm some taco meat over sugar free coleslaw and a big bowl of green beans with some bacon. a snack of some mixed nuts. I loose about a pound and sometimes more a week on this.
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