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Do you have mental symptoms of starvation?

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Ignoramus8954 - 16 Aug 2004 20:02 GMT
I decided to repost my answer to Annabel, to see if anyone else can
relate to the two articles that I am quoting. I could relate to a few
items on their lists. The second article, which I am quoting only
partially, is a great read!

I dug up two very interesting references to which I can relate myself,
to a small extent.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0GDQ/is_3_25/ai_58669772

``TABLE 1

Eating Behaviors of Victims of Semistarvation and Starvation-Research
Volunteers Long After Food Was Plentifully Available

Behavior/source

Voracious appetites followed by large and rapid food
intake[9,11,16-18,21,44]
Lack of control and distress over amounts eaten[11,17,20,21]
Complaints of hunger despite huge meals[17,21]
Belief that eating triggers hunger[17]
Cravings and preference (carbohydrates, tats,
sweets)[5,18-20,45]
Obsession with food[10,11,14,15,17,19,45,46]
Secrecy and defensiveness over food[9,10,17,18]
New preoccupation with body shape and weight[17,47]
Impulsivity (shopping for nonfood items, self-harm,
anger, violence)[18,20,21]
Scavenging or eating from garbage containers[11,18,20]
Stealing, hiding, hoarding food[10,20,21]
Manipulating others for food[9]
Making bizarre mixtures of food[18]
Eating unpalatable and inappropriate food (raw meat,
scraps)[20,21]
Thickening foods (with flour, oatmeal)[8]
Excessive flavoring (eg, with tea, coffee, lemon crystals)[8]
Excessive heating of food[24]
Excessive spicing of food[24]
Poor table manners (eg, licking knives and bottle lids,
collecting crumbs, gnawing at bones)[24]
"Souping" food and "filling up" with liquids[18,20]
Preferring to eat in isolation[17,18]
Self-induced and overeating-induced vomiting[8,19,20]
Dreading having to choose foods to eat[17]
Self-deprecation and negative affect from eating habits[17,20]
Taking drastic measures to resist binges[20]
Recidivist binge eating despite interference with quality
of life[8,9,18,45,47]
''

another good one, which I am quoting partially, but which makes a
fascinating read.

http://river-centre.org/StarvSympt.html

``As starvation progressed, the number of men who toyed with their
food increased. They made what under normal conditions would be weird
and distasteful concoctions, (p. 832). . . Those who ate in the common
dining room smuggled out bits of food and consumed them on their bunks
in a long-drawn-out ritual, (p. 833). . . Toward the end of starvation
some of the men would dawdle for almost two hours after a meal which
previously they would have consumed in a matter of minutes,
(p. 833). . . Cookbooks, menus, and information bulletins on food
production became intensely interesting to many of the men who
previously h ad little or no interest in dietetics or agriculture,
(p. 833). [The volunteers] often reported that they got a vivid
vicarious pleasure from watching other persons eat or from just
smelling food. (p. 834)

In addition to cookbooks and collecting recipes, some of the men even
began collecting coffeepots, hot plates, and other kitchen
utensils. According to the original report, hoarding even extended to
non-food-related items such as "old books, unnecessary second-hand
clothes, knick knacks, and other 'junk.? Often after making such
purchases, which could be afforded only with sacrifice, the men would
be puzzled as to why they had bought such more or less useless
articles" (p. 837). One man even began rummaging through garbage
cans. This general tendency to hoard has been observed in starved
anorexic patients (Crisp, Hsu, & Harding, 1980) and even in rats
deprived of food (Fantino & Cabanac, 1980). Despite little interest in
culinary matters prior to the experiment, almost 40% of the men
mentioned cooking as part of their postexperiment plans. For some, the
fascination was so great that they actually changed occupations after
the experiment; three became chefs, and one went into agriculture!

The Minnesota subjects were often caught between conflicting desires
to gulp their food down ravenously and consume it slowly so that the
taste and odor of each morsel would be fully appreciated. Toward the
end of starvation some of the men would dawdle for almost two hours
over a meal which previously they would have consumed in a matter of
minutes. . .they did much planning as to how they would handle their
day's allotment of food. (p. 833) The men demanded that their food be
served hot, and they made unusual concoctions by mixing foods
together, as noted above. There was also a marked increase in the use
of salt and spices. The consumption of coffee and tea increased so
dramatically that the men had to be limited to 9 cups per day;
similarly, gum chewing became excessive and had to be limited after it
was discovered that one man was chewing as many as 40 packages of gum
a day and "developed a sore mouth from such continuous exercise"
(p. 835).

During the 12-week refeeding phase of the experiment, most of the
abnormal attitudes and behaviors in regard to food persisted. A small
number of men found that their difficulties in this area were quite
severe during the first 6 weeks of refeeding:

Binge Eating

During the restrictive dieting phase of the experiment, all of the
volunteers reported increased hunger. Some appeared able to tolerate
the experience fairly well, but for others it created intense concern
and led to a complete breakdown in control. Several men were unable to
adhere to their diets and reported episodes of binge eating followed
by self-reproach. During the eighth week of starvation, one volunteer
flagrantly broke the dietary rules, eating several sundaes and malted
milks; he even stole some penny candies. He promptly confessed the
whole episode, [and] became self-deprecatory" (p. 884). While working
in a grocery store, another man

suffered a complete loss of will power and ate several cookies, a sack
of popcorn, and two overripe bananas before he could "regain control"
of himself. He immediately suffered a severe emotional upset, with
nausea, and upon returning to the laboratory he vomited. . .He was
self-deprecatory, expressing disgust and self-criticism. (p. 887)''

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Jane Lumley - 17 Aug 2004 16:57 GMT
>I decided to repost my answer to Annabel, to see if anyone else can
>relate to the two articles that I am quoting. I could relate to a few
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>I dug up two very interesting references to which I can relate myself,
>to a small extent.

I have every SINGLE symptom in your second article.  And most of those
in your first.  

I cook constantly for my family, including food I don't and won't eat.
I write about food for a living.  I hang out here.  I collect cookbooks;
I have over three hundred.  I think about food all the time.  The self-
harm thing is also a factor, though I haven't yet cut off any fingers.
Also depression, poor impulse-control, and panics over food.  I know
I've been stupid, but it never occurred to me that all these were
linked.  But of course I lost more weight than the guys in the study,
and a bigger % loss, too.    

Erm... now what do I do?  Call for pizza???  :)
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Ignoramus16674 - 17 Aug 2004 20:44 GMT
>>I decided to repost my answer to Annabel, to see if anyone else can
>>relate to the two articles that I am quoting. I could relate to a few
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Erm... now what do I do?  Call for pizza???  :)

I hate to say that up until about a month ago, I also had most of those
symptoms.

How much did you lose and on what sort of diet?

I lost 50 lbs by "eating less and exercising", almost a year ago.

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Jane Lumley - 18 Aug 2004 05:28 GMT
>I hate to say that up until about a month ago, I also had most of those
>symptoms.
>
>How much did you lose and on what sort of diet?
>
>I lost 50 lbs by "eating less and exercising", almost a year ago.

I lost 45 pounds.  Atkins and exercise.  Also last year.  More than 20%
of bodyweight.  

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Ignoramus22762 - 18 Aug 2004 11:10 GMT
>>I hate to say that up until about a month ago, I also had most of those
>>symptoms.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I lost 45 pounds.  Atkins and exercise.  Also last year.  More than 20%
> of bodyweight.  

That's impressive. What is your method of maintaining yuor weight
loss? Are you still on Atkins?

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Jane Lumley - 18 Aug 2004 12:06 GMT
>>>I hate to say that up until about a month ago, I also had most of those
>>>symptoms.
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>That's impressive. What is your method of maintaining yuor weight
>loss?

Fairly obsessive exercise - 9 miles of intensive interval-based cardio
and some endurance 5 days a week, weights and 1 hours' walking on the
other two days.  I am very active in general.  I up it if my weight
rises.

> Are you still on Atkins?

Yes, but at around 35-40 carbs a day, which is maintenance for me.  I
struggle over portion control, though; if I get very hungry I tend to
eat vast amounts.  

How about you?  
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Ignoramus22762 - 18 Aug 2004 13:48 GMT
>>>>I hate to say that up until about a month ago, I also had most of those
>>>>symptoms.
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> other two days.  I am very active in general.  I up it if my weight
> rises.

Scary stuff. My knees could not handle so much running! If I remember
right, you are a very slim person, BMI 22 or so. I am not nearly as
slim as you, at BMI of 24.

>> Are you still on Atkins?
>
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>
> How about you?  

Well, I do not think that I have it as bad as you. I lost weight by
eating less and exercising (walking 100 min per day), and maintained
my weight loss similarly. It seems that you have more difficulties
than me, but mine were of of similar nature. I am an "eater" and was
hungry quite often.

Around Jul 23 I switched to a "paleo" diet, which allows no grain,
sugar, milk products. A variation of a low carb diet, as you can see.
It was not a huge change for me, I simply junked the bread and milk.

I now allow myself to eat much more fat and I am much less hungry.

It is an experiment and so I will see if this is a worthwhile diet. So
far, I am not regaining. My weekly average moved up from 172.4 to
172.8, which is not very significant statistically.

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...@....om - 18 Aug 2004 03:44 GMT
>>I decided to repost my answer to Annabel, to see if anyone else can
>>relate to the two articles that I am quoting. I could relate to a few
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>Erm... now what do I do?  Call for pizza???  :)

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