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Isn't Dr. Phil a little chunky himself?

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TreeLeaf - 28 Oct 2003 04:22 GMT
What's Dr. Phil doing selling diet food and tips?  Last time I saw him
he looked a little tubby under those suits.  If he recently lost
weight, he needs to keep it off for two years before giving out
advice.
Brad Sheppard - 28 Oct 2003 16:49 GMT
Exactly my feelings!  Dr. Phil claims that he's comfortable with his
weight.  I don't care - if he can't be trim himself why should anyone
believe his hype?

> What's Dr. Phil doing selling diet food and tips?  Last time I saw him
> he looked a little tubby under those suits.  If he recently lost
> weight, he needs to keep it off for two years before giving out
> advice.
Carol Frilegh - 28 Oct 2003 16:58 GMT
> Exactly my feelings!  Dr. Phil claims that he's comfortable with his
> weight.  I don't care - if he can't be trim himself why should anyone
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> > weight, he needs to keep it off for two years before giving out
> > advice.

Because he wants to sell  books and products.

BTW: TV commercials for Atkins products showed up on my TV screen just
yesterday.
TreeLeaf - 29 Oct 2003 07:56 GMT
> > Exactly my feelings!  Dr. Phil claims that he's comfortable with his
> > weight.  I don't care - if he can't be trim himself why should anyone
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>
> Because he wants to sell  books and products.

Well ok.  LA use to have a radio advice Lady (A nicer dr. Laura) who
was divorced 4 times...before age 40...

I guess a fat man can sell diet food.

> BTW: TV commercials for Atkins products showed up on my TV screen just
> yesterday.
Crafting Mom - 28 Oct 2003 16:58 GMT
>Exactly my feelings!  Dr. Phil claims that he's comfortable with his
>weight.  I don't care - if he can't be trim himself why should anyone
>believe his hype?

And why is it ok for Dr. Phil to be comfortable with his weight, but if
anyone else assumes his shape for themselves and is comfortable, it's
just a lazy cop out LOL

CM
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jmk - 28 Oct 2003 17:00 GMT
> Exactly my feelings!  Dr. Phil claims that he's comfortable with his
> weight.  I don't care - if he can't be trim himself why should anyone
> believe his hype?

I was home from work last Monday (dog had surgery) and saw his show
which was about his challenge or whatever.  I thought that it was
actually pretty good.  He talked about getting rid of the junk food in
your house and setting yourself up for success (reminded me of dog
training actually, where we set the dogs up to do it right and reward
them for being right, etc.).  One person was very tempted by Taco Bell
so he drives a different way to work now so as not to be tempted.  Get
rid of the Ding Dongs...  The show also focused on the right things to
eat -- there is more too it than not eating junk food after all.  One
person was really confused about what she should be eating and they had
a nutritionist go to the grocery store with her.  Now, am I going to run
out and buy a Shape Up bar?  No.  The info in the show wasn't bad though.

>>What's Dr. Phil doing selling diet food and tips?  Last time I saw him
>>he looked a little tubby under those suits.  If he recently lost
>>weight, he needs to keep it off for two years before giving out
>>advice.

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beeswing - 28 Oct 2003 17:22 GMT
>One person was very tempted by Taco Bell
>so he drives a different way to work now so as not to be tempted.

I confess. I've adopted one Dr. Phil-ism myself. I used to walk through the
work cafeteria before I headed up the stairs to my office in the
morning..."just to look at their lunch menu." I'd always somehow end up
strolling past the doughnuts, which sometimes resulted in buying one, something
I definitely did not need. So I gave up going into the cafeteria in the
morning. If I want to check out the lunch menu, I walk down the stairs and do
it at ... are you ready for this? ... LUNCH. Doughnut problem solved. Score one
for Dr. Phil.

beeswing
Jennifer Austin - 29 Oct 2003 04:30 GMT
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> beeswing

I just started reading his book and I must say that I think he does pretty
much day a lot of what we learn in HMR and some of it is similar to
Fattitudes, but I liked what I read so far and even have done some of the
written exercises he has.  I don't really care for him or his show, but the
book isn't bad so far and I'd recommend it to someone thinking about losing
weight.

The only thing that bugs the crap out of me is that he has stated repeated
in the book that "muscle weighs more than fat."  Muscle does not WEIGH more,
it is MORE DENSE so therefore the same volume of muscle weighs more than the
same volume of fat.  A pound of muscles weighs the same as a pound of fat.

Jenn
Miss Jaime - 29 Oct 2003 05:03 GMT
>I just started reading his book and I must say that I think he does pretty
>much day a lot of what we learn in HMR and some of it is similar to
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>it is MORE DENSE so therefore the same volume of muscle weighs more than the
>same volume of fat.  A pound of muscles weighs the same as a pound of fat.

I guess whoever was editing his book did not catch that.
MH - 29 Oct 2003 06:08 GMT
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> beeswing

I watched his show last night and they had on the heaviest of his weight
losers. She had been for years sexually abused by her father or step-father
(not sure which). Her mother had completely denied all of it, and was
actually in denial on the show. This poor woman had suffered for years and
years with this and Dr. Phil handled it perfectly, with compassion and
logic. It was a really good show and worthwhile understanding that some
people eat for different reasons than to just stuff their faces.

Sometimes, when I hear people in here and in the Real World call people "fat
f.cks in denial" or something similar, it pisses me off because they have no
understanding (and apparently do not care to understand) that others eat for
so many reasons. Many people use food and their weight, as a shield to
protect themselves. They don't even know why they're doing it.

Just eating less and working out will not cut it for some. (Another thing
that burns me sometimes in others' simplistic solutions.) If that harmed
party does not get to the root of why they are overeating, they will
constantly regain any weight they lose.

Life is much, much more complex than black and white, right and wrong, eat
less/exercise more. We humans (at least, most of us) are incredibly
complicated creatures, there is a lot that makes us tick.

Sorry for going into a tagent, but I do feel better.

Martha
Beverly - 29 Oct 2003 14:28 GMT
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> Martha

I agree, Martha.  I often think people forget there is another human behind
these posts and say things they wouldn't if they were face-to-face.

Beverly
Perple Gyrl - 30 Oct 2003 12:39 GMT
You are very right, Martha....   That is why I am choosing this WOE (HMR)
for the time being, as well as seeing a psychologist and dietician.  I am
working on my food addiction, as well as the emoional/mental issues that
cause me to be the way that I am...

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> Just eating less and working out will not cut it for some. (Another thing
> that burns me sometimes in others' simplistic solutions.) If that harmed
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> Martha
MH - 31 Oct 2003 05:02 GMT
> You are very right, Martha....   That is why I am choosing this WOE (HMR)
> for the time being, as well as seeing a psychologist and dietician.  I am
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> Email me at:
> perpleglow(AT)comcast.net

Thanks, Perp. It just bothers me sometimes when others don't seem to realize
how difficult some have it. I'm very happy you are working hard and making
progress. : )

Now, Halloween is on....I love this movie!

Martha
Carol Frilegh - 31 Oct 2003 12:59 GMT
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<l9lob.21710$Ec1.1938700@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, MH
<bastzine@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> > You are very right, Martha....   That is why I am choosing this WOE (HMR)
> > for the time being, as well as seeing a psychologist and dietician.  I am
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> Martha

Some have it difficult because they make it so! No one said it would be
either simple or easy, but it is do-able.

That said, I just stay the same and realize how difficult it is.
Everyone just says I look thinner and must have more weight, so do it
for yourself not to impress others because they are not even accurate
about judging your weight status.

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Perple Gyrl - 01 Nov 2003 06:02 GMT
lol.....

> Diva
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> Flexing those damn rippling muscles
Wendy - 30 Oct 2003 23:50 GMT
> Sometimes, when I hear people in here and in the Real World call people "fat
> f.cks in denial" or something similar, it pisses me off because they have no
> understanding (and apparently do not care to understand) that others eat for
> so many reasons. Many people use food and their weight, as a shield to
> protect themselves. They don't even know why they're doing it.

Yes, people eat for many different reasons.  But the people who get called
"FFID" are the ones who come here saying, "I hardly eat anything and yet
I'm fat - it must be my [metabolism][genetics][PCOS][someone else's
fault]"  These people are in denial about how come they are fat who's in
charge of solving this problem.  And they are f.cked until they figure it
out.

I actually have great sympathy for people in that position.  I also don't
care if people are fat and don't refer to people as "fat f.cks" unless
they are whining about being fat (but not doing anything to solve it).

Is the term crude?  Yes.  Is it eye-opening and hence potentially
useful?  I think so.

Wendy
Perple Gyrl - 30 Oct 2003 12:31 GMT
Hey I have PCOS and it does contribute to my weight problem.  I am not
discounting the fact that I ate too much and exercised too little.  However,
it is very hard for me to lose weight.  Even now, my stomach is the last
thing to go.  Women with PCOS carry most of their extra weight on their
tummy....  The insulin resistance due to the metabolic disorder also make it
very easy for someone with PCOS to lose weight.  As I've said, I am not
discounting the fact that I ate too much and exercised too little.  Having
PCOS just makes it much harder to lose it.

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> > Sometimes, when I hear people in here and in the Real World call people "fat
> > f.cks in denial" or something similar, it pisses me off because they have no
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> Wendy
Wendy - 31 Oct 2003 01:07 GMT
> Hey I have PCOS and it does contribute to my weight problem.  

And no one is calling you a fat f.ck in denial.  You know why you have a
problem and you know what you have to do about it if you want to solve
your weight problem.  You also know it will be hard (but is possible.)

I don't think anyone is planning on judging you if you decide it's not
worth it to you to fight the fat.  I personally don't care if people
choose acceptance of their form and live happily ever after a size 24.

I just don't care to hear people whining about why THEY can't lose
fat.  Meanwhile, we're busy doing it.  Not because we're "special" or
"it's easy" for us, but because we eat less and exercise more than we used
to.

By the way, I meet a LOT of FFIDs.  In fact, it's one reason I dread
answering how I lost weight.  I've lost over 50 pounds in a little over a
year now and it's quite startling and comes up OFTEN in conversation.  But
inevitably people will get uncomfortable with my answer ("I ate less and
exercised more... who knew?!" said in an amused tone) and start to explain
why THEY are doomed to obesity because of their special situations.

I generally just try to say something like, "Well, I let it go a long
time, but finally got around to making it a priority and then I could do
it."

So even if I walk away thinking, "FFID!" I don't feel like they're
hopeless or awful or anything, just that they are fat, and f.cked by their
own attitude of denial AT THE MOMENT.

What do *you* call the syndrome of fat people being unhappy about it
but lacking self-awareness of their role in treating their
obesity?  Someone here (I honestly don't remember who) was talking about
how they don't eat hardly any calories except that they are a binge eater
due to their unhappiness.  Wouldn't you say that person is f.cked?

Wendy, who hardly EVER says "f.ck" offline!
Perple Gyrl - 30 Oct 2003 12:51 GMT
You make some excellent points and I agree with you.  I am aware of what is
causing me to be the way I am... the PCOS just makes it harder not
impossible for me to lose then other people that don't have this disorder.

Some people do need a reality check, you are right....
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> > Hey I have PCOS and it does contribute to my weight problem.
>
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>
> Wendy, who hardly EVER says "f.ck" offline!
Jennifer Austin - 31 Oct 2003 04:27 GMT
> I just don't care to hear people whining about why THEY can't lose
> fat.  Meanwhile, we're busy doing it.  Not because we're "special" or
> "it's easy" for us, but because we eat less and exercise more than we used
> to.

That holds true for more than weight loss.  Many things worth having require
hard work.  DH and I live in a very nice house we had built a few years ago.
While we were building it, a coworker went by and then told everyone how
*BIG* it was and how wealthy my husband must be.  This was follwed by snide
remarks from her and other coworkers about how nice it must be to have
money.  Well, lemme tell ya, we aren't wealthy, we're just cheapskates.  We
don't take fancy vacations, own a boat or other fancy toys that lots of
people up here have.  We scraped and saved for many years to put together
the money and bought the land years before we built.  We also have no
children and don't go to movies or many other recreational things that cost
money.  We pay our credit cards off each month and stash or invest every
extra dollar religiously.  We're only lucky that we haven't had any major
calamity that hasn't been covered by insurance.  We

> By the way, I meet a LOT of FFIDs.  In fact, it's one reason I dread
> answering how I lost weight.  I've lost over 50 pounds in a little over a
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> time, but finally got around to making it a priority and then I could do
> it."

I don't even say that anymore.  I just smile, nod, and change the subject or
find a way to leave.  Fortunately at work I've become known for having to
run to the potty regularly (I drink a lot of water), so I can pretty much
get out of any conversation very quickly ;)

> Wendy, who hardly EVER says "f.ck" offline!

Jenn, who says it all the time when the students aren't around :)
beeswing - 31 Oct 2003 05:51 GMT
>> Wendy, who hardly EVER says "f.ck" offline!
>
>Jenn, who says it all the time when the students aren't around :)

beeswing, who has an almost-9-year-old who is all ears...........we must be
Very Quiet
Beverly - 31 Oct 2003 13:08 GMT
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> beeswing, who has an almost-9-year-old who is all ears...........we must be
> Very Quiet

Beverly, who grew up in the 40's-50's and would have gotten her mouth washed
out with soap for something as tame as "hell"  :)     I don't remember
hearing this too much when I was growing up - it's just another difference
in things from generation to generation.
SnugBear - 31 Oct 2003 21:32 GMT
> > >> Wendy, who hardly EVER says "f.ck" offline!
> > >
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> hearing this too much when I was growing up - it's just another difference
> in things from generation to generation.

Laurie, who thinks it's a friendly word and *never* uses it in anger <g
beeswing - 31 Oct 2003 05:48 GMT
>But
>inevitably people will get uncomfortable with my answer ("I ate less and
>exercised more... who knew?!" said in an amused tone)

I got the question recently...and a compliment along with it, which was lovely.
I just said "I did the same old same old......I counted calories, mostly" and
let it drop at that. I was trying -- this time -- to express that's there's
really nothing new under the sun.........but there is the tried and true, and
it works.

beeswing
janice - 31 Oct 2003 08:09 GMT
Interesting post, Wendy, and one for thought.
Despite having never been able to take control of myself for long
enough to get to goal, and having regained large amounts of weight
over and over, you will never hear me say it is due to anything but my
own behaviour.  I know the solution is in my hands and I blame the
problem on nothing but my overeating.
Having got that out of the way, it is then that it gets much more
complicated.  I believe 100% that I'm  responsible for what happens to
my body with regard to weight.  Sometimes I think my body would do
better if it belonged to someone else who might do a better job on
this than I seem to be able to do!
janice

>> Hey I have PCOS and it does contribute to my weight problem.  
>
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>
>Wendy, who hardly EVER says "f.ck" offline!
Wendy - 31 Oct 2003 13:15 GMT
> Sometimes I think my body would do
> better if it belonged to someone else who might do a better job on
> this than I seem to be able to do!

I'm probably misquoting here, but the same potty-mouth-guru who gave us
"FFID" also gave us another term that hits home:

"Your body hates you".  There is no reason to think your body wants to
lose fat.  Your body might be QUITE happy at 38% body fat.  Expect it to
put up a fight.

Wendy
janice - 31 Oct 2003 18:58 GMT
>> Sometimes I think my body would do
>> better if it belonged to someone else who might do a better job on
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>
>Wendy

This sounds like a load of rubbish to me, and something that people
could used as just another excuse not to lose weight.  I'm
sufficiently in touch with my body to know it definitely isn't quite
happy when it's carrying excess body fat - it's told me so many times.
Trouble is I'm obviously not listening hard enough.
janice
Perple Gyrl - 01 Nov 2003 06:04 GMT
My body wants to lose weight!  My neck, knees and back beg me to every day
to work out and eat better and help keep the strain away.  My heart is
getting more athletic and less strained.  My mind wants to be healthier...

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There is no reason to think your body wants to
> lose fat.  Your body might be QUITE happy at 38% body fat.  Expect it to
> put up a fight.
>
> Wendy
RLW - 01 Nov 2003 08:24 GMT
> My body wants to lose weight!  My neck, knees and back beg me to every day
> to work out and eat better and help keep the strain away.  My heart is
> getting more athletic and less strained.  My mind wants to be healthier...

That's good.  I've had the opposite experience.  Every time I've seriously
lost weight, *wham* -- my body does something to throw me off the rails.
The first time I developed gall bladder disease after losing at least 25kg.
After not being able to exercise or eat regularly for three months, I just
could not get back to my previous way of life and the weight came back.  The
second time I lost over 10kg and developed rheumatoid arthritis.  Couldn't
exercise, felt sluggish and tired all the time, as well as having joints
that wouldn't bend properly for days.  Then to make matters worse the
rheumatologist put me on prednisone which helped get rid of the symptoms but
caused weight gain.  During the time that it took to get my rheumatism to go
into remission, the weight came back on.

This is the third time, and 20kg in, my feet are causing me serious trouble.
I went to a podiatrist who diagnosed plantar fasciitis, put some attachments
on my insoles and gave me a list of exercises to do.  A month later and my
feet are, if anything, worse, so I went to a different podiatrist who took
one look at my feet and told me I probably have joint damage and is sending
me to get an Xray.  I had been doing steps as a form of resistance training
(building thigh muscles) for 20 minutes every day which has probably
excacerbated damage done by the rheumatism.  Now I'm just doing cycling and
some upper body resistance training with weights, and trying very hard not
to let the stress of my sore feet, a new job, a broken relationship, and
exams, cause me to start overeating again.

End tail of woe.  :o)

So as you can see, I certainly relate to Wendy when she says that our bodies
may not want to lose weight.  I don't feel any more alert or able to cope
with stress than I did when I first started.  The only difference is my
clothes are looser.  And I can walk up stairs without getting as puffed.
Hmph.  Sometimes I think I might be better off fat.  But obviously I don't
really believe that or I wouldn't be here.  :o)

Rowena.

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> > Wendy
Perple Gyrl - 01 Nov 2003 15:41 GMT
Oh my gosh, Rowena.  I am so sorry that you've had so many health issues
each time you've lost weight.   Do you get enough sleep?  Do you drink
enough water?  Are/were you stressing your body too much???  How overweight
are you??

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> > My body wants to lose weight!  My neck, knees and back beg me to every day
> > to work out and eat better and help keep the strain away.  My heart is
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> > > Wendy
Dave Oatley - 31 Oct 2003 20:37 GMT
> Interesting post, Wendy, and one for thought.
> Despite having never been able to take control of myself for long
> enough to get to goal, and having regained large amounts of weight
> over and over, you will never hear me say it is due to anything but my
> own behaviour.  

The Eschalot has a tongue-in-cheek article about this:

http://www.theeschalot.com/diet-exercise-plan-criticized.html

(Ever try to talk with your tongue in your cheek?)

-Dave
determined - 31 Oct 2003 01:22 GMT
> Hey I have PCOS and it does contribute to my weight problem.  I am not
> discounting the fact that I ate too much and exercised too little.  However,
> it is very hard for me to lose weight.  Even now, my stomach is the last
> thing to go.  Women with PCOS carry most of their extra weight on their
> tummy....

And so do many other women without PCOS.  Like me...  According to my waist
(28.5"), I'm a size 12, according to my hips (34"), a size 2.

det
Brad Sheppard - 29 Oct 2003 01:39 GMT
Yeah, I agree his information and intent seem good. I just think if
he's a "diet guru" let's see his plan work on him first.

> > Exactly my feelings!  Dr. Phil claims that he's comfortable with his
> > weight.  I don't care - if he can't be trim himself why should anyone
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> >>weight, he needs to keep it off for two years before giving out
> >>advice.
jmk - 29 Oct 2003 13:43 GMT
> Yeah, I agree his information and intent seem good. I just think if
> he's a "diet guru" let's see his plan work on him first.\

That is not what he claims to be.  That is a label that others have
applied.  Seriously, he wants people to be healthy, not super model
skinny.  He talks about your "get real weight."

This is a short version of a URL to a page on his website.
http://tinyurl.com/su1c

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Beverly - 29 Oct 2003 14:33 GMT
> > Yeah, I agree his information and intent seem good. I just think if
> > he's a "diet guru" let's see his plan work on him first.\
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> --
> jmk in NC

I especially like the following comment he states:  "You foucus your
attention on living well, rather than looking good".  As you get older the
living well becomes number one.  I admit I still want to look good and it's
right behind better health and living well.
Melissa - 29 Oct 2003 14:43 GMT
> > Yeah, I agree his information and intent seem good. I just think if
> > he's a "diet guru" let's see his plan work on him first.\
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> This is a short version of a URL to a page on his website.
> http://tinyurl.com/su1c

He also knows first hand about obesity. I believe he has mentioned family
members in excess of 500 pounds. His father I believe was quite large. The
man is very tall, something like 6' 6" and if you look at his hands and the
size of his head, you can tell he is never going to be 170 pounds. He is
very active, plays tennis etc. all the time.  Personally, I find it easier
to take tips and advice from someone who is "real" looking than someone who
is emaciated and looks the way they do because of plastic surgery etc. Most
of us live in the "real" world and don't have money and or time for personal
trainers, plastic surgeons, and 2-3 hours per day to spend at the gym. We
also have to cook our own meals, buy our own food etc.

He likes to suggest that people take responsability for their own decisions
and actions. I suspect that is what rubs some people the wrong way. They
would rather maintain victim status and blame their weight on external
circumstances instead of "owning" the problem.

I've personally been through a great deal of crap over the past couple of
years. And I'm the one who ate too much food in response to my anger. It's
my fault. The stuff that happened wasn't, but the weight gain was.

Melissa
140/135/Feel Good Healthy Weight, whatever that might be.
Jennifer Austin - 30 Oct 2003 04:22 GMT
> He likes to suggest that people take responsability for their own decisions
> and actions. I suspect that is what rubs some people the wrong way. They
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> Melissa
> 140/135/Feel Good Healthy Weight, whatever that might be.

Well said.  That's one of the things I'm liking about his book as I go
through it.  It's a very matter of fact approach that doesn't advocate a
specific plan but instead really makes the reader question what is going on
in their own mind and in their own life.  I hope that the popular appeal of
someone like Dr. Phil gets people to take seriously the idea that there is
no magic pill or elixir and than weight loss and management is a lifetime of
commitment.  Even for those who have more going against them (physical or
emotional conditions) need to understand that yep, life sucks, but if you
really want it it has to come from you.

My life has been no bed of roses and as a result I developed some bad habits
and coping skills.  Rather than blame the things that have happened I've
worked hard to find new ways of dealing with old crap (and new crap).  I'm
getting decent things to think about from Dr. Phil, go figure.

Jenn
Beverly - 30 Oct 2003 13:54 GMT
> > He likes to suggest that people take responsability for their own
> decisions
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>
> Jenn

I've often wondered what personality characteristics allow one person to
deal with life's ups and downs and causes another to let them take control
of their life.  As you, my life was no bed of roses either but I was
determined not to let other people's actions cause me to fail.  I imagine
what we turn to for comfort has a large impact on our weight.  Some people
might turn to food and others choose another form of comfort.  As a child I
chose to excel in school and sports.  Maybe this is what got me through the
tough times without a weight gain.

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rosie read and post - 30 Oct 2003 15:30 GMT
> > He likes to suggest that people take responsability for their own
> decisions
> > and actions. I suspect that is what rubs some people the wrong way. They
> > would rather maintain victim status and blame their weight on external
> > circumstances instead of "owning" the problem.

the problem with dr phil?
he is ABUSIVE!
(and now we find out, its all about the $$$$ anyway!)

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rosie read and post - 30 Oct 2003 15:30 GMT
> Well said.  That's one of the things I'm liking about his book as I go
> through it.  It's a very matter of fact approach that doesn't advocate a
> specific plan but instead really makes the reader question what is going on
> in their own mind and in their own life.

isn't dr. phil hawking his own "meal supplements"?
Jennifer Austin - 31 Oct 2003 04:15 GMT
> > Well said.  That's one of the things I'm liking about his book as I go
> > through it.  It's a very matter of fact approach that doesn't advocate
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>
> isn't dr. phil hawking his own "meal supplements"?

Yep, but he hasn't in the book (yet).
Miss Jaime - 28 Oct 2003 17:11 GMT
>Exactly my feelings!  Dr. Phil claims that he's comfortable with his
>weight.  I don't care - if he can't be trim himself why should anyone
>believe his hype?

I think he could stand to lose about 20 pounds.

On the other hand has anyone seen how thin talk show host Mike Bullard
looks in those Dr Bernstein diet center commercials. He looks *too
thin* IMO!!
Abby Walker - 29 Oct 2003 00:34 GMT
> On the other hand has anyone seen how thin talk show host Mike Bullard
> looks in those Dr Bernstein diet center commercials. He looks *too
> thin* IMO!!

That diet center's "plan" consists of 500 calories a day. STUPID
STUPID STUPID!  Frankly it's too bad that Mike didn't fade away to
dust so it would have prevented him from enticing other people to harm
their health by doing a diet that is nothing more than *cough*
"monitored" starvation.  This clinic has been sued and has finally
gotten atleast some of bad press it so rightly deserves.  And yet
people will flock to this thing because they see the word "DR" in the
name plus, they assume because you have give your health card, that
it's some how government monitored etc. It's not.  Go check out the
CBC.ca site and search Bernstein diet.  The stuff they talk about is
damn scary.
Miss Jaime - 29 Oct 2003 02:33 GMT
> Go check out the
>CBC.ca site and search Bernstein diet.

Oh I have.  I'd never go on it.
Abby Walker - 29 Oct 2003 18:29 GMT
> > Go check out the
> >CBC.ca site and search Bernstein diet.
>
> Oh I have.  I'd never go on it.

It's positively amazing to me that people will go on this thing
though.  They're dooped into thinking it's low carb among other
things, (and yeah sure, I suppose someone with the ethics of Manson
could argue that it is because, there's only so many carbs one could
possibly ingest on 500!!! freaking calories a day). *scowl*  But I
digress,...

What I really wonder is: does nobody do research anymore? Or I suppose
that's what places like this bank on (and bank on in a big way)...they
prey on people's desperation and the fact that people just don't know
any better and don't seek out even the most basic rudimentary
information about what kind of damage they are going to be doing to
their body.  Again, they see things like DR or a person in a white
coat and their questioning skills go into a coma.

Bloody amazing!
TreeLeaf - 29 Oct 2003 07:53 GMT
> Exactly my feelings!  Dr. Phil claims that he's comfortable with his
> weight.  I don't care - if he can't be trim himself why should anyone
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> > weight, he needs to keep it off for two years before giving out
> > advice.

Well well. So he acknowledges he's chunky but still sells the diet food?  
ha ha ha. That takes guts.
Crafting Mom - 29 Oct 2003 12:52 GMT
>Well well. So he acknowledges he's chunky but still sells the diet food?  
>ha ha ha. That takes guts.

And a strong connection to Oprah :)

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SuzyQ - 28 Oct 2003 18:42 GMT
Dr. Phil comes from an obese family, works out and plays tennis every day.
I think with his background and age he is in great shape.  So he could stand
to lose 10-20 pounds, I still think he is probably at a healthy weight and
that's what he talks about more than anything.....health.
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> What's Dr. Phil doing selling diet food and tips?  Last time I saw him
> he looked a little tubby under those suits.  If he recently lost
> weight, he needs to keep it off for two years before giving out
> advice.
TreeLeaf - 29 Oct 2003 08:00 GMT
> Dr. Phil comes from an obese family, works out and plays tennis every day.
> I think with his background and age he is in great shape.  So he could stand
> to lose 10-20 pounds, I still think he is probably at a healthy weight and
> that's what he talks about more than anything.....health.

Hmmmmm...20 pounds?  I need to see him in a unitard. Men put on those
suits and look a little chunky when they are really quite fat. I'd bet
Dr. P needs to lose
more than 20.  Which is none of my business accept that his diet bar
commercials are running on LA radio. Everytime I hear one I think
"huh"???
SuzyQ - 29 Oct 2003 13:25 GMT
> > Dr. Phil comes from an obese family, works out and plays tennis every day.
> > I think with his background and age he is in great shape.  So he could stand
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> commercials are running on LA radio. Everytime I hear one I think
> "huh"???

He appears on the show sometimes without the jacket.  Then his shoulders
appear to be the widest part of his body.  He doesn't have that bubba belly
over the belt thing going on.  He appears to me to have the same proportions
as my DH, who is 15-20 pounds overweight.  And I consider this great at his
age (60) and level of fitness.  Also considering he has a diabetic, obese
father.  Dr. Phil is the first to point out that we need to 'get real' about
what goals are reasonable considering things like age, genes, history,
health, etc.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030910/dcwv003_1.html
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TreeLeaf - 30 Oct 2003 07:56 GMT
> > Hmmmmm...20 pounds?  I need to see him in a unitard. Men put on those
> > suits and look a little chunky when they are really quite fat. I'd bet
> > Dr. P needs to lose
> > more than 20.  Which is none of my business accept that his diet bar
> > commercials are running on LA radio. Everytime I hear one I think
> > "huh"???

SuzyQ said:

> He appears on the show sometimes without the jacket.  Then his shoulders
> appear to be the widest part of his body.  He doesn't have that bubba belly
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>
> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030910/dcwv003_1.html

I hear ya.  Too bad the media doesn't give women the same allowances
"she's 60, so she's a bit fat around the hips, she looks great for her
age".
SuzyQ - 30 Oct 2003 12:27 GMT
> > > Hmmmmm...20 pounds?  I need to see him in a unitard. Men put on those
> > > suits and look a little chunky when they are really quite fat. I'd bet
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> "she's 60, so she's a bit fat around the hips, she looks great for her
> age".

I always say I'm 52 and I'm never going to look like Britney Spears no
matter what I do.  Then again she won't look like that when she gets my age
either :-)
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