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Bear Drinks 36 Beers and Passes Out

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Ignoramus29728 - 19 Aug 2004 14:38 GMT
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040819/ap_on_fe_st/beer_bear_7

BAKER LAKE, Wash. - Rain-eeeeer .... Bear? When state Fish and
Wildlife agents recently found a black bear passed out on the lawn of
Baker Lake Resort, there were some clues scattered nearby ? dozens of
empty cans of Rainier Beer.      

The bear apparently got into campers' coolers and used his claws and
teeth to puncture the cans. And not just any cans.

"He drank the Rainier and wouldn't drink the Busch beer," said Lisa
Broxson, bookkeeper at the campground and cabins resort east of Mount
Baker.

Fish and Wildlife enforcement Sgt. Bill Heinck said the bear did try
one can of Busch, but ignored the rest.

"He didn't like that (Busch) and consumed, as near as we can tell,
about 36 cans of Rainier."

A wildlife agent tried to chase the bear from the campground but the
animal just climbed a tree to sleep it off for another four
hours. Agents finally herded the bear away, but it returned the next
morning.

Agents then used a large, humane trap to capture it for relocation,
baiting the trap with the usual: doughnuts, honey and, in this case,
two open cans of Rainier. That did the trick.

"This is a new one on me," Heinck said. "I've known them to get into
cans, but nothing like this. And it definitely had a preference."
Aquarijen - 19 Aug 2004 15:29 GMT
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040819/ap_on_fe_st/beer_bear_7

Not even the bear like Busch beer.  I could drink it when I was in college,
but I could drink lighter fluid back then...  I cannot drink either now.
Give me  a guinness though. Yum. :)
-Jen
Ignoramus29728 - 19 Aug 2004 15:42 GMT
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040819/ap_on_fe_st/beer_bear_7
>
> Not even the bear like Busch beer.

My thought exactly.

> I could drink it when I was in college, but I could drink lighter
> fluid back then...  I cannot drink either now.  Give me a guinness
> though. Yum. :)

The only beer I like is German beer in German pubs.

i
Bob in CT - 19 Aug 2004 15:52 GMT
>> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040819/ap_on_fe_st/beer_bear_7
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> i

Nah, good American microbrews are better than German beer.

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Ignoramus29728 - 19 Aug 2004 16:15 GMT
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> Nah, good American microbrews are better than German beer.

I never tried them...

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The Queen of Cans and Jars - 19 Aug 2004 21:35 GMT
> >> The only beer I like is German beer in German pubs.
> >
> > Nah, good American microbrews are better than German beer.
>
> I never tried them...

then how do you know you don't like them?
Ignoramus29728 - 20 Aug 2004 00:41 GMT
>> >> The only beer I like is German beer in German pubs.
>> >
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>
> then how do you know you don't like them?

Re-read what I wrote:

``The only beer I like is German beer in German pubs.''

I did not say that I tried all beers in the world, or that I dislike
microbrew beers. I said that the only beer I like is a certain kind of
German beer.  I do not know if I would like microbrews. What I wrote
does not imply that I dislike microbrews.

i
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 20 Aug 2004 02:08 GMT
> >> >> The only beer I like is German beer in German pubs.
> >> >
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> German beer.  I do not know if I would like microbrews. What I wrote
> does not imply that I dislike microbrews.

you can't know that something is the only thing you like if you haven't
compared it to the other things that are out there.
Ignoramus29728 - 20 Aug 2004 04:09 GMT
>> >> >> The only beer I like is German beer in German pubs.
>> >> >
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> you can't know that something is the only thing you like if you haven't
> compared it to the other things that are out there.

Do I have to compare it with absolutely all things in Universe? Should
I try thousands of brands of beer, to be able to say that I only like
German beer?

i
The Queen of Cans and Jars - 20 Aug 2004 14:24 GMT
> >> >> >> The only beer I like is German beer in German pubs.
> >> >> >
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> I try thousands of brands of beer, to be able to say that I only like
> German beer?

yes.
Daniel Hoffmeister - 21 Aug 2004 01:38 GMT
In alt.support.diet.low-carb The Queen of Cans and Jars <dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet> wrote:
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> > Do I have to compare it with absolutely all things in Universe? Should
> > I try thousands of brands of beer, to be able to say that I only like
> > German beer?

> yes.

LOL!  

Dan
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Annabel Smyth - 19 Aug 2004 16:20 GMT
Bob in CT wrote in alt.support.diet on Thu, 19 Aug 2004:

>> The only beer I like is German beer in German pubs.
>>
>> i
>
>Nah, good American microbrews are better than German beer.

For once, I agree with the Ignoramus - German beer, drunk in the town of
its brewing, is seriously delicious.  And blow the carbohydrate content!
Actually, French beer is, too.
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brian lanning - 20 Aug 2004 16:17 GMT
> For once, I agree with the Ignoramus - German beer, drunk in the town of
> its brewing, is seriously delicious.  And blow the carbohydrate content!
> Actually, French beer is, too.

A few weeks ago, I had a large glass of draught heineken in amsterdam.
It was easily the best beer I've ever had.

I also ate an entire large pizza with the beer.  It was the first
pizza I'd had in over a year.  This was on the way back from a week in
russia.  Even with the pizza and beer, I still lost three pounds.
Which at this point is quite amazing to me.  I'm near the end of my
weight loss and find it difficult to lose now.  I have only 18 pounds
to go.  I'm going to russia again for a week and a half shortly, and I
won't have the diversion to amsterdam this time.  Let's see if I can
lose another three pounds.

brian
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Annabel Smyth - 20 Aug 2004 17:15 GMT
brian lanning wrote in alt.support.diet on Fri, 20 Aug 2004:

>I also ate an entire large pizza with the beer.  It was the first
>pizza I'd had in over a year.  This was on the way back from a week in
>russia.  Even with the pizza and beer, I still lost three pounds.
>Which at this point is quite amazing to me.

You don't say which country you are starting from, but if it is the USA,
could it be because portion sizes tend to be smaller on this side of the
Atlantic?

> I'm near the end of my
>weight loss and find it difficult to lose now.  I have only 18 pounds
>to go.  I'm going to russia again for a week and a half shortly, and I
>won't have the diversion to amsterdam this time.  Let's see if I can
>lose another three pounds.

Hope so!  Enjoy, anyway.
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Mark - 19 Aug 2004 17:01 GMT
On 19 Aug 2004 14:42:46 GMT, Ignoramus29728
<ignoramus29728@NOSPAM.29728.invalid> wrote:

> The only beer I like is German beer in German pubs.

The only beer worth drinking nowadays is the beer _I_ make!

Seriously, once I started making my own brew about 11 years ago, that was the
only way to fly.  There are 2 or 3 microbrews that come close, but not close
enough.
Ignoramus29728 - 19 Aug 2004 17:04 GMT
> On 19 Aug 2004 14:42:46 GMT, Ignoramus29728
><ignoramus29728@NOSPAM.29728.invalid> wrote:
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> only way to fly.  There are 2 or 3 microbrews that come close, but not close
> enough.  

I am very impressed.

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Bob in CT - 19 Aug 2004 17:19 GMT
>> On 19 Aug 2004 14:42:46 GMT, Ignoramus29728
>> <ignoramus29728@NOSPAM.29728.invalid> wrote:
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> i

I've been thinking of making my own beer, but I don't think I could
control myself.  One the reasons I got big was due to beer (generally
purchased after a meal of pasta/rice would cause my blood sugar to explode
then crash, leaving me depressed; but that's a different story).  I don't
think I could have a bunch of bottles of beer lying around.

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Mark - 19 Aug 2004 19:22 GMT
>>> On 19 Aug 2004 14:42:46 GMT, Ignoramus29728
>>> <ignoramus29728@NOSPAM.29728.invalid> wrote:
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>then crash, leaving me depressed; but that's a different story).  I don't
>think I could have a bunch of bottles of beer lying around.

It, most certainly, requires lots of will power.  I know I fell in to that
trap when I started out and it was a major contributor to my getting fat.  But
now that I've gotten things under control and found my happy weight, a little
treat now and then is most welcome!

Many home brewers fall in to this trap just because they aren't thinking about
it.  But if you go in to it knowing that you need to be careful - you should
be fine.

Beer is food.
Bob in CT - 19 Aug 2004 20:30 GMT
>>>> On 19 Aug 2004 14:42:46 GMT, Ignoramus29728
>>>> <ignoramus29728@NOSPAM.29728.invalid> wrote:
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>
> Beer is food.

I certainly have better control now, on low carb, than I did when I as on
low fat.  And I still do drink beer every once in a while.  It's just that
it is food (as you aptly point out) and typically has quite a few
calories, and I can easily drink two if not more beers.  So, I'll probably
wait until I get to my goal weight before I try beer brewing, and then
I'll see if I can brew into bottles (no kegs for me!).  That way, I can
keep some in the cellar and only put the ones I want in the fridge.  Lucky
for me, I don't like warm beer.

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Annabel Smyth - 20 Aug 2004 12:53 GMT
Bob in CT wrote in alt.support.diet on Thu, 19 Aug 2004:

>I certainly have better control now, on low carb, than I did when I as
>on low fat.  And I still do drink beer every once in a while.  It's
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>way, I can keep some in the cellar and only put the ones I want in the
>fridge.  Lucky for me, I don't like warm beer.

I thought beer was a huge "no-no" if you were trying to be
low-carbohydrate?  My sister and her husband won't go near it just now,
much though they love it.
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The Low-Carb Bartender - 20 Aug 2004 14:19 GMT
> I thought beer was a huge "no-no" if you were trying to be
> low-carbohydrate?  My sister and her husband won't go near it just now,
> much though they love it.

Both Atkins and now South Beach say beer (after Induction, Phase 1,
whatever) are now OK.
Moderation is the key, not deprivation.

Of course, both Atkins and South Beach still put out misinformation on beer:

From the Atkins site:
"A 12-ounce can of beer contains about 12.5 grams, but you have to read the
label since carbohydrate content varies from brand to brand."

You can read all the labels you want, but there is no nutritional info on
regular-brewed beers. I've tried to get the Atkins people to change this,
but all I get in reply is a repeat of the same information.
http://atkins.com/Archive/2003/12/8-440390.html

Dr. Agatston had a problem with the simple sugar maltose in beer, claiming
that even light or low-carb beer was prohibited in the SB diet. Since
maltose is a simple sugar and utilized by yeast during fermentation to
create alcohol and carbon dioxide, there is little, if any, maltose in beer.
After Anheuser-Busch challenged Agatston's maltose theory in full-page
newspaper ads in 31 large metropolitan areas in the US, he's relented,
admits he was wrong, and now says the moderate consumption of beer is okay.
Since the SB diet is based more on the glycemic index more than carb
counting, it should also be noted that Dr. Jennie Brand-Miller, who has done
extensive testing of the GI of over 1500 foods, also points out that the
glycemic index of beer is zero. Doctor Brand-Miller, who is also the
President of the Nutrition Society of Australia, has written extensively
about this intriguing form of measurement for blood glucose levels. Her
latest book on the subject is titled The New Glucose Revolution Complete
Guide to Glycemic Index Values.
http://diabetes.about.com/od/weightloss/i/south_beach.htm

Of course, if Agatston had read my book on the subject of beer and LC
dieting, and not relied on the false assumptions of  Monsieur Michael
Montignac in his book,  Je Mange Donc je Maigris (Eat Yourself Slim), this
error would never have occured.

Once again, moderation, not deprivation (and knowing the carb counts of
regular brewed beers) are the keys to enjoying a beer or two and still being
able to lose weight. Remember...I'm not advocating slugging down a 12-pack.
If you're going to lose weight and keep that weight off, you are going to
have to learn portion and self control. If you can't do that, don't drink.
If you can, enjoy!

Bob Skilnik
The Low-Carb Bartender
Annabel Smyth - 20 Aug 2004 17:14 GMT
The Low-Carb Bartender wrote in alt.support.diet on Fri, 20 Aug 2004:

> Remember...I'm not advocating slugging down a 12-pack.
>If you're going to lose weight and keep that weight off, you are going to
>have to learn portion and self control. If you can't do that, don't drink.
>If you can, enjoy!

If you can't, you shouldn't be drinking anyway.....
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The Low-Carb Bartender - 20 Aug 2004 17:58 GMT
> >If you're going to lose weight and keep that weight off, you are going to
> >have to learn portion and self control. If you can't do that, don't drink.
> >If you can, enjoy!
> >
> If you can't, you shouldn't be drinking anyway.....

Didn't I just say that?
Annabel Smyth - 20 Aug 2004 18:05 GMT
The Low-Carb Bartender wrote in alt.support.diet on Fri, 20 Aug 2004:

>> >If you're going to lose weight and keep that weight off, you are going to
>> >have to learn portion and self control. If you can't do that, don't
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>
>Didn't I just say that?

Probably, but I read it as "Don't drink if you can't do portion
control", for fatness, rather than alcoholic, issues.....
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The Low-Carb Bartender - 20 Aug 2004 18:19 GMT
> Probably, but I read it as "Don't drink if you can't do portion
> control", for fatness, rather than alcoholic, issues.....
I'm The Low-Carb Bartender...not The Low-Carb Alcohol Abuse Consuler.
Annabel Smyth - 20 Aug 2004 18:49 GMT
The Low-Carb Bartender wrote in alt.support.diet on Fri, 20 Aug 2004:

>> Probably, but I read it as "Don't drink if you can't do portion
>> control", for fatness, rather than alcoholic, issues.....
>> --
>I'm The Low-Carb Bartender...not The Low-Carb Alcohol Abuse Consuler.

I thought part of a bartender's job, low-carb or otherwise, was to see
to it that his customers didn't overdo it?
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The Low-Carb Bartender - 20 Aug 2004 19:18 GMT
> >> --
> >I'm The Low-Carb Bartender...not The Low-Carb Alcohol Abuse Consuler.
> >
> I thought part of a bartender's job, low-carb or otherwise, was to see
> to it that his customers didn't overdo it?

I have always, and all my posts will verify this, preached moderation when
drinking. That is the key to enjoying a drink or two while watching carbs.
However, I can't come over to your house and hit you in the head with a
bottle of Tanquery if you've been bad.

What is considered moderate drinking?

For a man in the US---two servings of an adult beverage per day. That would
be two servings of 12-ounce beers, two servings of 5-ounce wines, or two
servings of 1.5 ounces of a distilled spirit, commonly known as a "jigger."
For women, only one serving. This is per the USDA and their recommended
guidelines for alcohol consumption.
Every country and their health or nutrition department, however, seem to
have their own guidelines as to what consitutes "moderate drinking."

Bob Skilnik
The Low-Carb Bartender
Annabel Smyth - 21 Aug 2004 11:18 GMT
The Low-Carb Bartender wrote in alt.support.diet on Fri, 20 Aug 2004:

>What is considered moderate drinking?

Here in the UK I think it's 14 "units" per week for a woman, and no more
than 3 "units" per day; and 21 for a man, no more than 4 per day.  But
what, exactly, constitutes a "unit" is a vexed issue.  I think it's a
glass (125 ml) wine, or 1/2 pint beer (but there are beers and beers!)
or a pub measure of spirits.

Does anybody know, by the way, which has more calories - a glass of red
wine or a measure of whisky (thinking of my forthcoming visit to my
parents)?
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SnugBear - 20 Aug 2004 01:14 GMT
> Beer is food.

The Germans don't call it liquid bread for nothing.

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Mark - 19 Aug 2004 19:19 GMT
>> On 19 Aug 2004 14:42:46 GMT, Ignoramus29728
>><ignoramus29728@NOSPAM.29728.invalid> wrote:
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>I am very impressed.

Thanks, but please don't be.  Making beer at home can be quite a simple, yet
very enjoyable, experience.  You can buy malt extract in a can so you don't
have to worry about grinding up all the individual grains and doing it all
from scratch.  This method tastes nearly as good as "all grain" brewing and
still far superior to anything you'll be able to buy in the store.

Quick steps to do an extract brew:

Boil 2-3 gallons of water.  Pour the can of malt in.  Add some hops at the
appropriate time (all detailed in your particular recipe).  At the end of the
boil you may add some more hops depending on your recipe.  This is the only
time you may need to be very careful - watch the boil frequently!  If it boils
over, you have a sticky nasty mess to clean up!  I've done it - once.  Every
brewer will do it - once!  Pour the boil in to a carboy (big glass water jug)
and top off with cold water to make 5 gallons.  Make sure the temp of the
batch is under 100F and then add a yeast packet.  Slosh it all around real
good and put an airlock on the top of the jug.  In about a week it will be
done burbling away (yeast eating the sugars making alcohol) and you can now do
1 of 2 things.  If you are in a hurry, you can actually bottle it now and
drink it in another week.  Or, you can transfer it to another jug to let it
clarify and settle out some more for another week to two weeks - then bottle
it.

To bottle you need to be able to create carbonation.  To do this, you need to
give the yeast a little more food since yeast gives off alcohol and CO2 when
it eats sugars.  1/4cup of sugar in a little water boiled up (to kill any
nasties), then pour it in to another 5 gal bucket or bottle.  Siphon off the
beer in to this new bottle with the sugar to mix it up, then siphon from there
in to your bottles.  You can do either individual 12oz glass bottles or
plastic soda bottles work out very nice.  You can do the small ones or the 2
liter ones.  The advantage of plastic is you can feel them getting hard so you
know when the carbonation is at a sufficient level to drink.  No guessing like
you have to do with glass bottles (if you are in a rush that is).

This may sound like a lot and it truly isn't.  The total amount of man hours
involved in making a 5 gallon batch of brew is about 4-5.  Most of the time is
spent waiting..... Your first few batches can be killers because you know
you're supposed to wait a certain amount of time and you may be tempted to
cheat.  Don't.  Just wait and it will be worth it.  If you end up liking it
enough, you can run multiple batches at the same time while your beer is in
different stages of fermenting.  You can boil up another batch once you've
finished fermenting the 1st one and have put it in the secondary jug for
settling.  If you are dedicated enough and stick to this rotation, you can
easily produce 2 cases of brew every weekend.  I got in to a small rotation
like this to produce somewhere around 20 cases and then slowly tapered off and
now I just make a batch when I feel like it.

There are countless resources on the web if you are serious about trying it.
There is also a very active newsgroup rec.crafts.brewing if you want to do a
little reading there.

Since this is a diet group - be warned.  Making your own beer can be a serious
weight gainer.  That was one of my problems with my weight gain.  You have to
figure that each 12oz bottle is somewhere around 200 calories.
Ignoramus29728 - 19 Aug 2004 19:36 GMT
> Thanks, but please don't be.  Making beer at home can be quite a simple, yet
> very enjoyable, experience.  You can buy malt extract in a can so you don't
> have to worry about grinding up all the individual grains and doing it all
> from scratch.  This method tastes nearly as good as "all grain" brewing and
> still far superior to anything you'll be able to buy in the store.

Thanks for a great post and educating me. Unfortunately, as you noted,
beer can be a big weight gainer, and I cannot nutritionally afford to
consume 5 gallons of it in any timeframe.

Maybe, in another life, I will not have weight problems, and then I
will try to brew beer.

i
Mark - 19 Aug 2004 19:48 GMT
>> Thanks, but please don't be.  Making beer at home can be quite a simple, yet
>> very enjoyable, experience.  You can buy malt extract in a can so you don't
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>beer can be a big weight gainer, and I cannot nutritionally afford to
>consume 5 gallons of it in any timeframe.

Ah, but the beauty is that it isn't going to go bad if you don't drink it
right away.  I actually have a few bottles left from a batch I made almost 3
years ago.  I had one last month and it still tastes great.

Moderation my friend.  Moderation.  That's the whole key to this group anyway,
isn't it?

>Maybe, in another life, I will not have weight problems, and then I
>will try to brew beer.

I would agree that you should first get things under control with your eating.
Then take a step in to brewing.  Look at a homebrew as a treat.  Rather than
having that piece of cake or whatever - grab a homebrew!
J.J. - 19 Aug 2004 20:39 GMT
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> Moderation my friend.  Moderation.  That's the whole key to this group anyway,
> isn't it?

That all depends on who you talk to -- I agree with you, but for
some people, it's all or nothing so they choose nothing...

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Mark - 19 Aug 2004 22:42 GMT
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>
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>That all depends on who you talk to -- I agree with you, but for
>some people, it's all or nothing so they choose nothing...

Well, you'll certainly lose weight by eating nothing.  Dead people tend to
lose weight rather rapidly.

Fasting can work, but requires lots of research and medical assistance.
Anyone who attempts to fast all alone without the council of a physician is a
fool.  Since the body goes in to a shutdown mode, your entire dynamic changes.
This can cause serious issues.
Daniel Hoffmeister - 20 Aug 2004 02:46 GMT
In alt.support.diet.low-carb Ignoramus29728 <ignoramus29728@nospam.29728.invalid> wrote:
> > Thanks, but please don't be.  Making beer at home can be quite a simple, yet
> > very enjoyable, experience.  You can buy malt extract in a can so you don't
> > have to worry about grinding up all the individual grains and doing it all
> > from scratch.  This method tastes nearly as good as "all grain" brewing and
> > still far superior to anything you'll be able to buy in the store.

> Thanks for a great post and educating me. Unfortunately, as you noted,
> beer can be a big weight gainer, and I cannot nutritionally afford to
> consume 5 gallons of it in any timeframe.

> Maybe, in another life, I will not have weight problems, and then I
> will try to brew beer.

Truly.  Perhaps if we can acquire enough merit in this lifetime, we will
be reborn so genetically blessed.

Dan
325/211/180
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes
The Low-Carb Bartender - 20 Aug 2004 01:59 GMT
Making your own beer can be a serious
> weight gainer.  That was one of my problems with my weight gain.  You have to
> figure that each 12oz bottle is somewhere around 200 calories.

It's not the beer, pal. It's your insistence on swigging down a half dozen
bombers on a Friday night.
Don't blame the beer.

The Low-Carb Bartender
Daniel Hoffmeister - 20 Aug 2004 02:50 GMT
In alt.support.diet.low-carb The Low-Carb Bartender <toddlintown@comcast.net> wrote:

>  Making your own beer can be a serious
> > weight gainer.  That was one of my problems with my weight gain.  You have
> to
> > figure that each 12oz bottle is somewhere around 200 calories.

> It's not the beer, pal. It's your insistence on swigging down a half dozen
> bombers on a Friday night.
> Don't blame the beer.

"Beers don't make people fat.  People make people fat."  ?

Dan
325/211/180
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes
Bob M - 20 Aug 2004 13:18 GMT
> In alt.support.diet.low-carb The Low-Carb Bartender  
> <toddlintown@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
> Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes

Yeah, but a good beer can easily have 200 calories.  If you're eating 2k  
calories a day, that's 10% of your daily intake.  While I love a good  
beer, I have to avoid drinking them.  Typically, I try to have them only  
for special occasions.  In this way, they're like cake to me -- a treat to  
be enjoyed every once in a while.  My mother is the only true,  
I-dring-beer-every-day thin person I've met, and even she quit due to  
weight gain.

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FOB - 20 Aug 2004 22:12 GMT
My skinny SO loves his beer and has a couple most every day, he likes beer
with his dinner.  He stays thin because he doesn't snack, never eats
breakfast and sometimes forgets to eat meals when he gets involved with
doing something.  He's 72 so it's not likely to change when he gets older.

In news:opsc05sp0rsu6yx7@bobscomputer.albyny.adelphia.net,
Bob M <ctviggen.x@adelphia.net> stated

| Yeah, but a good beer can easily have 200 calories.  If you're eating
| 2k calories a day, that's 10% of your daily intake.  While I love a
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Annabel Smyth - 21 Aug 2004 11:19 GMT
FOB wrote in alt.support.diet on Fri, 20 Aug 2004:

>My skinny SO loves his beer and has a couple most every day, he likes beer
>with his dinner.  He stays thin because he doesn't snack, never eats
>breakfast and sometimes forgets to eat meals when he gets involved with
>doing something.  He's 72 so it's not likely to change when he gets older.

He sounds wise!  He probably has a fast metabolism, too.
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JMA - 19 Aug 2004 17:17 GMT
> On 19 Aug 2004 14:42:46 GMT, Ignoramus29728
> <ignoramus29728@NOSPAM.29728.invalid> wrote:
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> close
> enough.

I had a good friend who made an annual batch of the most awesome beer.
Unfortunately he passed away before he could pass on the recipe.  We still
have an annual beer party in his honor but I've never had a beer that good
since.

Jenn
SnugBear - 20 Aug 2004 01:17 GMT
> I had a good friend who made an annual batch of the most awesome beer.
> Unfortunately he passed away before he could pass on the recipe.  We
> still have an annual beer party in his honor but I've never had a beer
> that good since.

My husband brewed very tasty beer until the price of honey went up so
high.  Now he's making blueberry wine.

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SnugBear - 20 Aug 2004 01:12 GMT
> The only beer I like is German beer in German pubs.

Ah, fond memories!  Ein Pils, bitte.  
(relocation made it easy to give *that* up <g>)

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Daniel Hoffmeister - 20 Aug 2004 02:48 GMT
In alt.support.diet.low-carb SnugBear <snugNObear@midmaine.com> wrote:

> > The only beer I like is German beer in German pubs.

> Ah, fond memories!  Ein Pils, bitte.  
> (relocation made it easy to give *that* up <g>)

Bier her, Bier her, oder ich fall um.

Another sigh...

Dan
325/211/180
Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution)
Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes
Annabel Smyth - 20 Aug 2004 12:56 GMT
SnugBear wrote in alt.support.diet on Fri, 20 Aug 2004:

>> The only beer I like is German beer in German pubs.
>
>Ah, fond memories!  Ein Pils, bitte.
>(relocation made it easy to give *that* up <g>)

When I was in Poland, one of the waitresses commented that the only word
any English (or American) seems to know is "Pivo", beer.  Mind you,
their local brew was excellent!

My daughter says all you need to know in a foreign language is how to
ask for "Two beers, please!"
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JMA - 19 Aug 2004 17:00 GMT
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040819/ap_on_fe_st/beer_bear_7
>
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> Give me  a guinness though. Yum. :)
> -Jen

Or a Harp!

Jenn
used to drink Red, White & Blue beer in college - $2 a six
Opinicus - 19 Aug 2004 16:01 GMT
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040819/ap_on_fe_st/beer_bear_7

That's a keeper. It adds new meaning to "It's in the water":

http://antiques-internet.com/colorado/jetenterprises/dynapage/IP12.htm
http://www.goldminershq.com/FRAME/FORMS/BEAR/Gold44.HTM
http://www.bearwhiz.com/truth.htm

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Opinicus - 19 Aug 2004 16:20 GMT
"Ignoramus29728" <ignoramus29728@NOSPAM.29728.invalid> wrote

> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040819/ap_on_fe_st/beer_bear_7

> That's a keeper. It adds new meaning to "It's in the
> water":

> http://antiques-internet.com/colorado/jetenterprises/dynapage/IP12.htm
> http://www.goldminershq.com/FRAME/FORMS/BEAR/Gold44.HTM
> http://www.bearwhiz.com/truth.htm

I just put up a clip of the original "commercial" on my
website:

http://kanyak.com/stash/bwb.wma

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Barbara Hirsch - 20 Aug 2004 01:04 GMT
>http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040819/ap_on_fe_st/beer_bear_7
>
>BAKER LAKE, Wash. - Rain-eeeeer .... Bear? When state Fish and
>Wildlife agents recently found a black bear passed out on the lawn of
>Baker Lake Resort, there were some clues scattered nearby ? dozens of
>empty cans of Rainier Beer.      

My guess is that the bear didn't really drink 36 beers. What do you
think the odds are that he could open them all and not spill any
contents out of the can?

Nonetheless, the bear did get rip-roaring drunk.

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SnugBear - 20 Aug 2004 01:28 GMT
> My guess is that the bear didn't really drink 36 beers. What do you
> think the odds are that he could open them all and not spill any
> contents out of the can?

My first Newfoundland ate a pound of Godiva truffles, neatly leaving the
pleated paper cups and box without a trace of drool <g>

The vet said "Bring her in if she starts acting strange"

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Barbara Hirsch - 20 Aug 2004 17:35 GMT
>My first Newfoundland ate a pound of Godiva truffles, neatly leaving the
>pleated paper cups and box without a trace of drool <g>

What can I say, your dog has true talent. Maybe she can teach the bear
<G>

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