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Enid Ritchie - 20 Aug 2004 12:45 GMT
Morbid obesity tragic to fitness guru
By Jose Lambiet

Sunday, August 15, 2004

STUART — There may be millions of Americans who weigh almost 500 pounds and
never leave their couches.

They are out there, hidden away. Just like Gayle Grinds, the 480-pound
Stuart woman who died early Wednesday morning after firefighters worked for
six hours to extract her from her squalid house.

So says Richard Simmons, the fitness guru who parlayed a successful
exercise and talk show on television in the mid-1980s into a personal
crusade against obesity. In addition to his www.richardsimmons.com Web
site, Simmons still runs exercise classes, diet programs, slim-down
boat-cruises and, at times, one-on-one counseling.

"Hearing about this Florida lady (39-year-old Grinds) makes me very sad,"
Simmons said Thursday from his Los Angeles home. "This is someone I
probably could have saved if I had known about her.

"But what is also sad is that there are literally several million people
like her in this country. How many exactly? Hard to tell. They may be your
neighbors, friends or family members, but most of us don't know they exist.
Obese folks are often too ashamed to seek help or leave their homes."

Simmons is known for his clownish antics and trademark short shorts, but he
turns sullen when he talks about morbid obesity.

"I receive 1,000 e-mails and letters a week from obese people or their
family members," he said. "I try to call more than 100 of them to offer
support and advice. Unfortunately, there is very little help out there for
them."

Sufferers usually go without medical attention until they have an
emergency, Simmons says, because many people who are overweight by 100
pounds or more don't have much money, and treating life-threatening obesity
is expensive.

Grinds, who had not left her couch for six years, had difficulty breathing
about 10 p.m. Tuesday. Family members called 911.

"Hospitals often refuse to treat obesity," he says. "First and foremost,
someone who is obese needs rehab, just like an alcoholic. There are just a
handful of such centers for obese people, where they are re-taught to eat.
They learn about portions, food types, exercise and physical fitness.

"You can contemplate weight-loss surgery only after rehab," Simmons said.

How can someone become so overweight that, like Grinds, she can no longer
get up? How can someone's body become fused to a sofa, as Grinds' was?

Simmons said he has seen many cases like Grinds', or worse. He once acted
as an adviser for a 1,000-pound man, he said, whose T-shirt was so
stretched on his body for so long that his skin attached itself to the
fabric. Firefighters in Stuart could not separate Grinds' back from her
couch for the same reason. She was taken to Martin Memorial Hospital South
and died before surgeons could separate her from the couch.

"Many of these people give up on life," he said.

The origins of obesity are in the mind, said Simmons, who knows the pain
firsthand. When he graduated from high school, the 5-foot-6 Simmons tipped
the scales at nearly 300 pounds. He regained his trademark figure through
exercise and diet.

"Depression is a huge factor," the 56-year-old Simmons said. "It paralyzes.
There is an event, or a series of events, that cause a person to get on a
couch or bed and decide never to get up again. It becomes a vicious circle.
The more you eat, the more you get depressed, the more you eat. Food, the
television and the couch become your only friends."

Family members, Simmons added, unknowingly become "enablers."

"It's hard to say no when someone keeps begging you to get more food," he
said.

In the end, Simmons said, it's the lack of exercise that kills.

"It takes an intake of 3,500 calories a day to add 1 pound of body-weight,"
he said. "And it takes more than 90 minutes of aerobics to burn just 600
calories. I've seen people gaining 150 pounds in one year. Their lives
disintegrate around them. They can't go to work. They can't shower. They
can't cook. They can't clean the house. Believe me, it's not the kind of
life these people set out to have."
Tonya - 20 Aug 2004 16:09 GMT
That's a sad story. My heart goes out to these people.
I have a hard time fathoming someone's skin growing to a couch. Then I
wonder, did this person go to the bathroom? had to since she was eating.
Strange.

hugs,

Tonya
www.lowcarbcrew.com

> Morbid obesity tragic to fitness guru
> By Jose Lambiet
>
> Sunday, August 15, 2004
>
> STUART - There may be millions of Americans who weigh almost 500 pounds
and
> never leave their couches.
>
[quoted text clipped - 76 lines]
> can't cook. They can't clean the house. Believe me, it's not the kind of
> life these people set out to have."
Larry Hodges - 23 Aug 2004 06:47 GMT
> That's a sad story. My heart goes out to these people.
> I have a hard time fathoming someone's skin growing to a couch. Then I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Tonya
> www.lowcarbcrew.com

No, she crapped on her couch.  She sat on it for six...that's SIX years.  My
heart doesn't go out to her.  She made a choice.

Here's the article if you want to read about her:
http://www.wftv.com/news/3643877/detail.html
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-Larry

Heywood Mogroot - 23 Aug 2004 13:21 GMT
> > That's a sad story. My heart goes out to these people.
> > I have a hard time fathoming someone's skin growing to a couch. Then I
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> No, she crapped on her couch.  She sat on it for six...that's SIX years.  My
> heart doesn't go out to her.  She made a choice.

there are choices, and there are mental illnesses. It's not entirely
softheaded to have a bit of empathy for people who have f.cked up
their lives.
Larry Hodges - 23 Aug 2004 14:57 GMT
>>> That's a sad story. My heart goes out to these people.
>>> I have a hard time fathoming someone's skin growing to a couch.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> softheaded to have a bit of empathy for people who have f.cked up
> their lives.

Bullshit.  She was *waaaay* beyond somebody who had "f.cked up her life".
Everybody has problems.  How did she deal with them?  She sat on a
couch...IN THE SAME SPOT...for six years.  She sh.t there, everything.
Somebody should've unplugged her cable TV long ago.

Now that she's dead, I'd say she f.cked up her life.  But, the *choice* to
do so was hers.  I give her no empathy.  I feel sorry for her, but no
empathy whatsoever.
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-Larry

Luna - 23 Aug 2004 15:59 GMT
> >>> That's a sad story. My heart goes out to these people.
> >>> I have a hard time fathoming someone's skin growing to a couch.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> do so was hers.  I give her no empathy.  I feel sorry for her, but no
> empathy whatsoever.

I agree with Heywood.  This woman was not making a choice, she was mentally
ill.

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http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws.  My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Evelyn Ruut - 23 Aug 2004 23:06 GMT
> >>> That's a sad story. My heart goes out to these people.
> >>> I have a hard time fathoming someone's skin growing to a couch.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> do so was hers.  I give her no empathy.  I feel sorry for her, but no
> empathy whatsoever.

Whenever you hear of one of these tragic cases, SOMEbody was feeding the
person.   Someone had to go to the store and buy food, prepare food and give
it to them.   I often wonder what sort of mentality sees this as "helping"
them.
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Regards,
Evelyn

(to reply to me personally, remove 'sox")

Lictor - 24 Aug 2004 00:14 GMT
> Whenever you hear of one of these tragic cases, SOMEbody was feeding the
> person.   Someone had to go to the store and buy food, prepare food and give
> it to them.   I often wonder what sort of mentality sees this as "helping"
> them.

One with a distorted perception of reality. These couples tend to form
around two personnalities with complementary troubles. Like an alcoholic and
the wife who pays the bills. Or a woman and the man who beats her. The
couple stays together, because both parties find a unconscious
"satisfaction" in the deal. If you have a very low self-esteem, being the
only one who brings the food to the person whose life revolves around eating
can make you feel very worthwhile...
Dave C. - 24 Aug 2004 00:53 GMT
> Whenever you hear of one of these tragic cases, SOMEbody was feeding the
> person.   Someone had to go to the store and buy food, prepare food and give
> it to them.   I often wonder what sort of mentality sees this as "helping"
> them.

The helper was the boyfriend, an unemployed drug addict.  (according to the
report I read, anyway)  Apparently there was little PREPARED food, it was
all ready to eat stuff.  (IE, no nutritional value at all)  -Dave
Mimsy - 24 Aug 2004 05:34 GMT
"Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message >
> Whenever you hear of one of these tragic cases, SOMEbody was feeding the
> person.   Someone had to go to the store and buy food, prepare food and give
> it to them.   I often wonder what sort of mentality sees this as "helping"
> them.

I wonder on this too.  The person enabling has to be a little mentally
off themselves.  Not just feeding them..but why didn't the smell
offend him and why didn't he call a doctor?
Chris Smolinski - 23 Aug 2004 16:38 GMT
> > > That's a sad story. My heart goes out to these people.
> > > I have a hard time fathoming someone's skin growing to a couch. Then I
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> softheaded to have a bit of empathy for people who have f.cked up
> their lives.

This is the downside to the decision society made a few decades ago that
it was no longer acceptable to involuntarily commit people to
institutions. So people that could be helped generally can't be, since
they won't commit themselves. What's interesting here is that you had
agreement on this issue from both the left (bad idea to commit people to
institutions, everyone has a right to be mentally ill) and the right
(bad idea to pay for people to get treatment), confirming the fact that
when both the left and the right agree on something (possibly for
different reasons), it's often a bad idea ;-)

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Chris Smolinski
Black Cat Systems
http://www.blackcatsystems.com

wilson - 24 Aug 2004 02:43 GMT
What's bugging me...

How does somebody end up with their skin melded to a sofa? How's that possible?
J. Davidson - 25 Aug 2004 20:23 GMT
She probably developed bed sores which got infected, got larger, drained
serous-sanguinous fluid, and pus,  the fluid dried and stuck the sheets to
her skin, eventually the skin grew around parts of the sheet which were
folded inside, stuck by the serous-sanguinous (bloody) drainage and pus.
Eventually she had a lot of areas where the covering of the sofa was folded
into holes in her skin and got caught there.
Jackie
> What's bugging me...
>
> How does somebody end up with their skin melded to a sofa? How's that possible?
Reent Toont Tee Noo Nee Noo Neeee - 25 Aug 2004 16:38 GMT
So J. Davidson sez to me, they sez:

> She probably developed bed sores which got infected, got larger, drained
> serous-sanguinous fluid, and pus,  the fluid dried and stuck the sheets to
> her skin, eventually the skin grew around parts of the sheet which were
> folded inside, stuck by the serous-sanguinous (bloody) drainage and pus.
> Eventually she had a lot of areas where the covering of the sofa was
> folded into holes in her skin and got caught there.

This could explain why Mike Davis hasn't been poast humping lately.

> Jackie
>> What's bugging me...
>>
>> How does somebody end up with their skin melded to a sofa? How's that
> possible?

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Garry Bryan - 26 Aug 2004 19:44 GMT
> So J. Davidson sez to me, they sez:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> This could explain why Mike Davis hasn't been poast humping lately.

I was just hoping that Charley didn't treat him like a redneck divorce, no
matter what someone is losing a trailer. . .

Garry
Charles D. Bohne - 26 Aug 2004 21:42 GMT
>> This could explain why Mike Davis hasn't been poast humping lately.
>
>I was just hoping that Charley didn't treat him like a redneck divorce, no
>matter what someone is losing a trailer. . .
>
>Garry

Heh! I am not guilty :>
And moreover I warned everybody, didn't I?
Charley ...
 
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