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Enid Ritchie - 20 Aug 2004 12:45 GMT Morbid obesity tragic to fitness guru By Jose Lambiet
Sunday, August 15, 2004
STUART There may be millions of Americans who weigh almost 500 pounds and never leave their couches.
They are out there, hidden away. Just like Gayle Grinds, the 480-pound Stuart woman who died early Wednesday morning after firefighters worked for six hours to extract her from her squalid house.
So says Richard Simmons, the fitness guru who parlayed a successful exercise and talk show on television in the mid-1980s into a personal crusade against obesity. In addition to his www.richardsimmons.com Web site, Simmons still runs exercise classes, diet programs, slim-down boat-cruises and, at times, one-on-one counseling.
"Hearing about this Florida lady (39-year-old Grinds) makes me very sad," Simmons said Thursday from his Los Angeles home. "This is someone I probably could have saved if I had known about her.
"But what is also sad is that there are literally several million people like her in this country. How many exactly? Hard to tell. They may be your neighbors, friends or family members, but most of us don't know they exist. Obese folks are often too ashamed to seek help or leave their homes."
Simmons is known for his clownish antics and trademark short shorts, but he turns sullen when he talks about morbid obesity.
"I receive 1,000 e-mails and letters a week from obese people or their family members," he said. "I try to call more than 100 of them to offer support and advice. Unfortunately, there is very little help out there for them."
Sufferers usually go without medical attention until they have an emergency, Simmons says, because many people who are overweight by 100 pounds or more don't have much money, and treating life-threatening obesity is expensive.
Grinds, who had not left her couch for six years, had difficulty breathing about 10 p.m. Tuesday. Family members called 911.
"Hospitals often refuse to treat obesity," he says. "First and foremost, someone who is obese needs rehab, just like an alcoholic. There are just a handful of such centers for obese people, where they are re-taught to eat. They learn about portions, food types, exercise and physical fitness.
"You can contemplate weight-loss surgery only after rehab," Simmons said.
How can someone become so overweight that, like Grinds, she can no longer get up? How can someone's body become fused to a sofa, as Grinds' was?
Simmons said he has seen many cases like Grinds', or worse. He once acted as an adviser for a 1,000-pound man, he said, whose T-shirt was so stretched on his body for so long that his skin attached itself to the fabric. Firefighters in Stuart could not separate Grinds' back from her couch for the same reason. She was taken to Martin Memorial Hospital South and died before surgeons could separate her from the couch.
"Many of these people give up on life," he said.
The origins of obesity are in the mind, said Simmons, who knows the pain firsthand. When he graduated from high school, the 5-foot-6 Simmons tipped the scales at nearly 300 pounds. He regained his trademark figure through exercise and diet.
"Depression is a huge factor," the 56-year-old Simmons said. "It paralyzes. There is an event, or a series of events, that cause a person to get on a couch or bed and decide never to get up again. It becomes a vicious circle. The more you eat, the more you get depressed, the more you eat. Food, the television and the couch become your only friends."
Family members, Simmons added, unknowingly become "enablers."
"It's hard to say no when someone keeps begging you to get more food," he said.
In the end, Simmons said, it's the lack of exercise that kills.
"It takes an intake of 3,500 calories a day to add 1 pound of body-weight," he said. "And it takes more than 90 minutes of aerobics to burn just 600 calories. I've seen people gaining 150 pounds in one year. Their lives disintegrate around them. They can't go to work. They can't shower. They can't cook. They can't clean the house. Believe me, it's not the kind of life these people set out to have."
Tonya - 20 Aug 2004 16:09 GMT That's a sad story. My heart goes out to these people. I have a hard time fathoming someone's skin growing to a couch. Then I wonder, did this person go to the bathroom? had to since she was eating. Strange.
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> Morbid obesity tragic to fitness guru > By Jose Lambiet > > Sunday, August 15, 2004 > > STUART - There may be millions of Americans who weigh almost 500 pounds and
> never leave their couches. > [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > can't cook. They can't clean the house. Believe me, it's not the kind of > life these people set out to have." Larry Hodges - 23 Aug 2004 06:47 GMT > That's a sad story. My heart goes out to these people. > I have a hard time fathoming someone's skin growing to a couch. Then I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Tonya > www.lowcarbcrew.com No, she crapped on her couch. She sat on it for six...that's SIX years. My heart doesn't go out to her. She made a choice.
Here's the article if you want to read about her: http://www.wftv.com/news/3643877/detail.html
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Heywood Mogroot - 23 Aug 2004 13:21 GMT > > That's a sad story. My heart goes out to these people. > > I have a hard time fathoming someone's skin growing to a couch. Then I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > No, she crapped on her couch. She sat on it for six...that's SIX years. My > heart doesn't go out to her. She made a choice. there are choices, and there are mental illnesses. It's not entirely softheaded to have a bit of empathy for people who have f.cked up their lives.
Larry Hodges - 23 Aug 2004 14:57 GMT >>> That's a sad story. My heart goes out to these people. >>> I have a hard time fathoming someone's skin growing to a couch. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > softheaded to have a bit of empathy for people who have f.cked up > their lives. Bullshit. She was *waaaay* beyond somebody who had "f.cked up her life". Everybody has problems. How did she deal with them? She sat on a couch...IN THE SAME SPOT...for six years. She sh.t there, everything. Somebody should've unplugged her cable TV long ago.
Now that she's dead, I'd say she f.cked up her life. But, the *choice* to do so was hers. I give her no empathy. I feel sorry for her, but no empathy whatsoever.
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Luna - 23 Aug 2004 15:59 GMT > >>> That's a sad story. My heart goes out to these people. > >>> I have a hard time fathoming someone's skin growing to a couch. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > do so was hers. I give her no empathy. I feel sorry for her, but no > empathy whatsoever. I agree with Heywood. This woman was not making a choice, she was mentally ill.
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Evelyn Ruut - 23 Aug 2004 23:06 GMT > >>> That's a sad story. My heart goes out to these people. > >>> I have a hard time fathoming someone's skin growing to a couch. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > do so was hers. I give her no empathy. I feel sorry for her, but no > empathy whatsoever. Whenever you hear of one of these tragic cases, SOMEbody was feeding the person. Someone had to go to the store and buy food, prepare food and give it to them. I often wonder what sort of mentality sees this as "helping" them.
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Lictor - 24 Aug 2004 00:14 GMT > Whenever you hear of one of these tragic cases, SOMEbody was feeding the > person. Someone had to go to the store and buy food, prepare food and give > it to them. I often wonder what sort of mentality sees this as "helping" > them. One with a distorted perception of reality. These couples tend to form around two personnalities with complementary troubles. Like an alcoholic and the wife who pays the bills. Or a woman and the man who beats her. The couple stays together, because both parties find a unconscious "satisfaction" in the deal. If you have a very low self-esteem, being the only one who brings the food to the person whose life revolves around eating can make you feel very worthwhile...
Dave C. - 24 Aug 2004 00:53 GMT > Whenever you hear of one of these tragic cases, SOMEbody was feeding the > person. Someone had to go to the store and buy food, prepare food and give > it to them. I often wonder what sort of mentality sees this as "helping" > them. The helper was the boyfriend, an unemployed drug addict. (according to the report I read, anyway) Apparently there was little PREPARED food, it was all ready to eat stuff. (IE, no nutritional value at all) -Dave
Mimsy - 24 Aug 2004 05:34 GMT "Evelyn Ruut" <mama-lionsox@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message >
> Whenever you hear of one of these tragic cases, SOMEbody was feeding the > person. Someone had to go to the store and buy food, prepare food and give > it to them. I often wonder what sort of mentality sees this as "helping" > them. I wonder on this too. The person enabling has to be a little mentally off themselves. Not just feeding them..but why didn't the smell offend him and why didn't he call a doctor?
Chris Smolinski - 23 Aug 2004 16:38 GMT > > > That's a sad story. My heart goes out to these people. > > > I have a hard time fathoming someone's skin growing to a couch. Then I [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > softheaded to have a bit of empathy for people who have f.cked up > their lives. This is the downside to the decision society made a few decades ago that it was no longer acceptable to involuntarily commit people to institutions. So people that could be helped generally can't be, since they won't commit themselves. What's interesting here is that you had agreement on this issue from both the left (bad idea to commit people to institutions, everyone has a right to be mentally ill) and the right (bad idea to pay for people to get treatment), confirming the fact that when both the left and the right agree on something (possibly for different reasons), it's often a bad idea ;-)
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wilson - 24 Aug 2004 02:43 GMT What's bugging me...
How does somebody end up with their skin melded to a sofa? How's that possible?
J. Davidson - 25 Aug 2004 20:23 GMT She probably developed bed sores which got infected, got larger, drained serous-sanguinous fluid, and pus, the fluid dried and stuck the sheets to her skin, eventually the skin grew around parts of the sheet which were folded inside, stuck by the serous-sanguinous (bloody) drainage and pus. Eventually she had a lot of areas where the covering of the sofa was folded into holes in her skin and got caught there. Jackie
> What's bugging me... > > How does somebody end up with their skin melded to a sofa? How's that possible? Reent Toont Tee Noo Nee Noo Neeee - 25 Aug 2004 16:38 GMT So J. Davidson sez to me, they sez:
> She probably developed bed sores which got infected, got larger, drained > serous-sanguinous fluid, and pus, the fluid dried and stuck the sheets to > her skin, eventually the skin grew around parts of the sheet which were > folded inside, stuck by the serous-sanguinous (bloody) drainage and pus. > Eventually she had a lot of areas where the covering of the sofa was > folded into holes in her skin and got caught there. This could explain why Mike Davis hasn't been poast humping lately.
> Jackie >> What's bugging me... >> >> How does somebody end up with their skin melded to a sofa? How's that > possible?
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Garry Bryan - 26 Aug 2004 19:44 GMT > So J. Davidson sez to me, they sez: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > This could explain why Mike Davis hasn't been poast humping lately. I was just hoping that Charley didn't treat him like a redneck divorce, no matter what someone is losing a trailer. . .
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Charles D. Bohne - 26 Aug 2004 21:42 GMT >> This could explain why Mike Davis hasn't been poast humping lately. > >I was just hoping that Charley didn't treat him like a redneck divorce, no >matter what someone is losing a trailer. . . > >Garry Heh! I am not guilty :> And moreover I warned everybody, didn't I? Charley ...
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