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Weight Loss Forum / General Topics / August 2004men vs. women in weight loss
This one pretty much says it all sometimes: http://www.comics.com/comics/arlonjanis/index.html (today's strip) Jenn JMA wrote in alt.support.diet on Sat, 21 Aug 2004: >This one pretty much says it all sometimes: > >http://www.comics.com/comics/arlonjanis/index.html > >(today's strip) Oh-how-true!  SignatureAnnabel - "Mrs Redboots" 90/88/80kg > This one pretty much says it all sometimes: > > http://www.comics.com/comics/arlonjanis/index.html > > (today's strip) :) I *do* resemble that remark... From 1995-2003 my work pattern included 500ml -> 1l of Mt Dew in the morning and afternoon. Those extra calories easily added up to the weight I gained over that time. I've finally kicked the Mt Dew habit, but man it is it one heck of a pick-me-up in the afternoon. > This one pretty much says it all sometimes: I have SO BTDT, actually, I'm there every day. Watching my DH eat *two* sandwiches with Nutella, or two PBJs. Seeing him take another serving of potatoes with mayonaise, or an extra scoop of icecream and top it off with whipped cream and blueberry syrup. Letting him take 3 cookies while I have a small single one. And still he looks like a Greek god, not a gram of fat too much on his body. Of course, he doesn't exercise at all. The only way I can deal with it, is preventing I am too hungry at dinner time, which I do by taking an apple 1 hour in advance. Luckily, I have never had an appetite for breakfast. At least DH supports me by remarking constantly how he admires my discipline and how he notices me losing the weight. He better! ;) Signature-- Boemsi 207 - 193 - 180 >>This one pretty much says it all sometimes: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > constantly how he admires my discipline and how he notices me losing the > weight. He better! ;) Ah, you sound young, Boemsi. It catches up with men, I assure you. They carry it differently. The fat packs in around their organs long before it goes subcutaneious and jiggles. When he stands up in profile does his belly jut out, or sink in below the ribs? He may not be as fit as you think. Aside from that, it's a losing proposition to try to eat the same as an active metabolism person. Eat differently. No reason to have cookies or potatoes with mayonaise or nutella in the house, IMO. (Especially Nutella. We're not safe in the same home together.) Please eat breakfast. And plan a before-dinner snack. My advice would be to add peanutbutter to that apple, or maybe some a slice or two of low-fat cheddar cheese. But back to the topic of infuriating men... I was at my husband's workplace summer last week. My role there is to show up with attractive children and not do anything memorable. (I've been married a long time, I know my job.) So I'm listening to his co-workers praise how much weight he's lost using phrases like, "he really worked hard at that" and I'm biting my tongue trying not to tell the truth, which is that *I* went on a diet and *he* automatically lost 20 pounds. Seriously. Dally > Ah, you sound young, Boemsi. It catches up with men, I assure you. Ooh, I'm flattered! I've been waiting for that ;) His father does have a tendency to develop bit of a belly, got that after he hit 40, so we have about 6 more years to go. As a contrast, all the women in my family have a tendency towards pear shaped figures, so my genetics isn't favourable. DH knows he isn't as fit as he could be, in part because he used to bike a *lot*, but since we moved we lost that opportunity. > Aside from that, it's a losing proposition to try to eat the same as an > active metabolism person. Eat differently. No reason to have cookies > or potatoes with mayonaise or nutella in the house, IMO. (Especially > Nutella. We're not safe in the same home together.) Hehe, there's no arguing about the Nutella with a 2y/o around the house. But I never liked the stuff one bit, so I am safe. I do eat breakfast: some non-fat yogurt with Kashi cereal. It gives me a good protein boost for the day and enough energy to last until lunch. > I'm biting my tongue trying not to tell the truth, which is that *I* > went on a diet and *he* automatically lost 20 pounds. That's what generally happens with us too... I have given up on watching men loose 10-20lb in a blink, while I am working for weeks to even loose a single pound. At this point I've accepted that my body is just different. I'll wait until I can easily outrun or outbike my DH, then his competitive nature will kick in: he'll do anything to change that ;) Signature-- Boemsi 207 - 194 - 180 >> Ah, you sound young, Boemsi. It catches up with men, I assure you. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > knows he isn't as fit as he could be, in part because he used to bike a > *lot*, but since we moved we lost that opportunity. Actually though, a pear shape is better than an apple shape with regards to fat storage. I asked my doctor last week if I was an apple or a pear - she said definitely a pear, more like a triangle these days :) Jenn > Actually though, a pear shape is better than an apple shape with regards to > fat storage. I asked my doctor last week if I was an apple or a pear - she > said definitely a pear, more like a triangle these days :) Hehe, so at least there's something good about my figure. I've heard similar things, like apple shaped people being more prone to fat around the vital organs and therefore less healthy. Signature-- Boemsi 207 - 192 - 180 >> Actually though, a pear shape is better than an apple shape with regards to >> fat storage. I asked my doctor last week if I was an apple or a pear - she [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > similar things, like apple shaped people being more prone to fat around > the vital organs and therefore less healthy. According to Steven N. Austad, Why We Age: What Science Is Discovering about the Body's Journey Through Life, females tend to have a pear shape prior to menopause, wfter which fat migrates and they become more of an apple shape. i >>> Actually though, a pear shape is better than an apple shape with regards to >>> fat storage. I asked my doctor last week if I was an apple or a pear - she [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >shape prior to menopause, wfter which fat migrates and they become >more of an apple shape. I've heard this too, and it has some similarity to my own experience. I never had a pear shape, but prior to menopause I had more of an hourglass shape, with a quite small waistline relative to my hips and bust. When I put on weight then I kept roughly the same proportions. Post-menopause I added quite a bit more weight, and that was much more around the middle. Now I'm back to weighing what I did in college, and I have a slightly more average figure than I did then in terms of weight distribution -- a little more in the middle and a little less in the hips and bust than I did then. But the difference isn't all that great. (And my figure is more like the way clothing is sized, which is not a bad thing :-) .) What was most different for me after menopause seemed to be where I carried excess weight when I had it. Chris >>>> Actually though, a pear shape is better than an apple shape with regards to >>>> fat storage. I asked my doctor last week if I was an apple or a pear - she [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Chris Very few women of your age can boast being at the same weight as they were in college! This is an incredible accomplishment... i >Very few women of your age can boast being at the same weight as they >were in college! This is an incredible accomplishment... Well, thanks :-). I'm really about exactly what I was then. I was in the low 140s all through college. I started going up in grad school, and was never that low again until now. Chris 262/141/ (145-150) > Now I'm back to weighing what I did in college, > and I have a slightly more average figure than I did then in terms of > weight distribution -- a little more in the middle and a little less > in the hips and bust than I did then. But the difference isn't all > that great. Chris, Could some of this change be attributed to the type of exercise that you are doing now versus then? I know that when I was a runner in HS/college I looked like a runner. Now that I am biking a lot, I am built more like a cyclist. I mean, I have muscles for cycling now as opposed to running. Also, when a "runner" comes to spin class, you can definitely notice that they are a runner from how his/her weight is distributed. Signaturejmk in NC >> Now I'm back to weighing what I did in college, >> and I have a slightly more average figure than I did then in terms of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >definitely notice that they are a runner from how his/her weight is >distributed. I think that's probably true -- I have weight lifting muscles :-). Although I'm doing some running, I doubt I'll ever look like a runner. I probably look more like a cycler, actually, given my quad development. When I was in college at the same weight I expect I had a higher BF% than I do now. I wasn't flabby then -- and I was relatively active -- but I didn't do any weight training (nor did any other woman I'd ever heard of in those days) and didn't have the strength I do now. But I do think menopause accounts for differences in fat distribution, as well. Chris 262/141/ (145-150) > Hehe, so at least there's something good about my figure. I've heard > similar things, like apple shaped people being more prone to fat around > the vital organs and therefore less healthy. Exactly. The only health problem associated with pear shape is at the joint level. Diabete, cardio-vascular problems and the like come with abdominal fat. It's not really a matter of shape actually, but of having fat around the belly or not. If you are very pear or triangle fat, you usually end up with some unhealthy fat around the belly too... But that mostly happens when you're massively obese, while guys get that right from the overweight level. It's just that women are naturally designed to carry more fat on their bodies (hence higher average body fat values), so nature put it in the places where it was not harmfull. > It's just that women are naturally designed to carry more fat on their > bodies (hence higher average body fat values), so nature put it in the > places where it was not harmfull. Logical: women need the fat if they want to reproduce. It's been shown that both too high and too low body fat percentages can interfere with ovulation. Apparently the fat stores essential hormones, which is probably why women after menopauze change their fat storage, as Ig remarked. Funny how nature has it all figured out... Signature-- Boemsi 207 - 192 - 180 > Logical: women need the fat if they want to reproduce. It's been shown > that both too high and too low body fat percentages can interfere with > ovulation. And ovulation is blocked, because low levels of body fat would not allow both the woman and the baby to survive starvation. It's all very logical. Another interresting issue is that men are mostly attracted to hourglass body shape : big breasts, (reasonnably) big butt, but small waist - just look at the classical pin-up. And it's not only western men - the figures in Japanese mangas look the same. Even prehistoric venus retain the same characteristics, they have grossly exagerated butts and breasts, but the waist remains reasonnable in proportion. Women with a big belly are often considered unattractive. But so are women with no butt or not breasts. Some studies have shown that the hourglass body shape is the optimal one : fat stored in healthy locations only and best fertility rate. They have shown the highest concentration of progesterone and estradiol compared to other body shapes, this is both a feature of big breasts and small waist (big butt), which is estimated to translate into triple the average fertility rate. It's actually interresting that the men moved away from the classical pin-up figure to the more "modern" anorexic body type (Twiggy, Kate Moss...) right at the time when contraception because widespread. http://202.221.217.59/print/features/enviro2004/fe20040513rh.htm > It's actually interresting that the men moved away from the classical pin-up > figure to the more "modern" anorexic body type (Twiggy, Kate Moss...) right > at the time when contraception because widespread. Fascinating, never thought of that. But I do know I really don't want to be that thin, I hate it and much prefer my intrinsic hourglass shape :) And so would my DH.. Signature-- Boemsi 207 - 191 - 180 |
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